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Runner
09-23-2006, 08:50 PM
The announcers made a comment during the Notre Dame game. They said when a team has a head coach who is also the offensive coordinator, especially if he is a good one, the defense can feel like second class citizens. Kind of a "the offense will win it, just don't let the defense mess it up" feeling.

I haven't heard anything like that from the Texan coaches, but I thought it was interesting.

mexican_texan
09-23-2006, 09:50 PM
Any player with an attitude like that does not deserve to be in the NFL. That's what makes a 2-14 team.

Grid
09-23-2006, 09:52 PM
All the more reason to have an an accomplished defensive coordinator. I have been a little worried about Smith as the DC... but I like that he is trying to build a very aggressive defense, so ill give him some time.

Runner
09-23-2006, 10:20 PM
Any player with an attitude like that does not deserve to be in the NFL. That's what makes a 2-14 team.

I wouldn't make sweeping arbitrary judgements like that. I think the players are less like "football robots" and more like human beings.

Scooter
09-23-2006, 11:48 PM
I wouldn't make sweeping arbitrary judgements like that. I think the players are less like "football robots" and more like human beings.

this is football and it's defense ... 90mph with bad intentions. no player on the field feels like they play a supporting role. if you were to pick one position that a "dont screw it up" mentality can come into play it's quarterback, and that's more of a role than a mindset. on defense, everyone on the field believes they are the best player ever and are there to prove it. if they're second guessing themselves and just "showing up", they're in the wrong profession.

Snapple
09-24-2006, 02:05 AM
This doesn't necessarily mean a good offensive coordinator makes a better head coach than a good defensive coordinator.

Dave Wannstedt for example was a great, great defensive coordinator for the Cowboys Superbowl teams. His offensive sytem in Miami was downright hideous. The 2004 team when they didn't have Ricky Williams was completely abysmal in every facet.

I have no worries about hiring Kubiak because he was an offensive guy. I don't think that hurts our defense. Having bad defensive talent and a bad defensive coordinator hurts our defense.

Runner
09-24-2006, 04:48 AM
this is football and it's defense ... 90mph with bad intentions. no player on the field feels like they play a supporting role. if you were to pick one position that a "dont screw it up" mentality can come into play it's quarterback, and that's more of a role than a mindset. on defense, everyone on the field believes they are the best player ever and are there to prove it. if they're second guessing themselves and just "showing up", they're in the wrong profession.

First of all, I think players should bring it on the field.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=447175
Mario's combine numbers show that he has the physical attributes to be explosive, no matter what the fast twitch/slow twitch gurus are saying from the announcers booth. He measures as very strong and fast too.

However...

Until he starts playing like he has a burning desire to beat his man and get to the QB for the sack or to nail an RB for a loss, he isn't going to get respect. The good players at his postion seem to always be attacking at full speed; I don't see that with him yet.

Second, I still believe players - offensive or defensive - are no different from anyone else. They are affected both positively and negatively by their various coaches' attitudes and "agendas".

Third, I still think the players are human beings.

Texans Horror
09-24-2006, 05:10 AM
I'm still waiting for the "Universal Soldier" upgrade on the defensive line.

Runner
09-24-2006, 05:13 AM
I'm still waiting for the "Universal Soldier" upgrade on the defensive line.

I expected something more profound at 4:00 am.

Unless you are agreeing with me. Then I think you were very profound.

Texans Horror
09-24-2006, 05:23 AM
At 4 am, what you see is what you get...

Scooter
09-24-2006, 06:03 AM
Second, I still believe players - offensive or defensive - are no different from anyone else. They are affected both positively and negatively by their various coaches' attitudes and "agendas".

Third, I still think the players are human beings.

wake me when seth payne starts crying because he's not getting enough attention in class.

(sorry, i think this discussion is just silly)

Runner
09-24-2006, 07:18 AM
wake me when seth payne starts crying because he's not getting enough attention in class.

(sorry, i think this discussion is just silly)


I stated in the beginning of this thread that I hadn't seen this head/coach o-coordinator thing in the Texans. I was responding to a generalization similar to others I've seen before.

However, if you missed the players quitting on the coaches last year because of the "attitudes and agendas", I'm afraid nothing will wake you up.

As hard as it is to believe in their cool uniforms and body armor, the players aren't robots.

TheCD
09-24-2006, 09:27 AM
I think the same could be said about a defensive guy being the head coach...the offenses job is seen as just "scoring enough to win". For example, the Bucs Super Bowl run.


if you were to pick one position that a "dont screw it up" mentality can come into play it's quarterback, and that's more of a role than a mindset.

I agree with this but I also feel that CB's have a 'don't mess up' mentality due to the fact that if they make one mistake their guy can gain such large amounts of yardage on a single play.

TK_Gamer
09-24-2006, 09:48 AM
lets talk about maturity a little, the maturity of an NFL player is what allows him to make a mistake and learn from it and move on. an imature player allows his mistakes to effect his play on the field, as in wanting to "not blow it" the other type of player that does this is the aging vetran who is under the microscope and has lost his rational and proffessional "edge". athletes in any sport think about screwing up, they just cant afford to do it on the field or they should call it quits.

Texans_Chick
09-24-2006, 10:21 AM
Typically, the Broncos traditionally have drafted defense high and offense lower. They figured they could get their type of offensive guys lower in the draft. Usually their lower draft picks on offense stay on the team, more than other teams.

The Texans 2006 seem to follow that draft style.