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NJ Texan
09-19-2006, 09:36 AM
1. Rex Grossman, CHI 128.7
2. David Carr, HOU 123.7
3. Philip Rivers, SD 107.4
4. Chad Pennington, NYJ 107.1
5. Donovan McNabb, PHI 105.4

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics

And Demeco Ryans is 4th in tackles. I'd consider this a positive sign.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-19-2006, 09:40 AM
David will only get better when the O line can start controling the line of scrimage....Demeco is a animal, Pro-bowler in the making.............

Mr. White
09-19-2006, 09:41 AM
Good post. When I watched the game on Sunday, I just wanted to see an improvement from the week before.

QB is probably the best place to start.

Frills
09-19-2006, 09:45 AM
Its good to see someone other than a DB leading the team in tackles

thunderkyss
09-19-2006, 09:46 AM
David will only get better when the O line can start controling the line of scrimage....Demeco is a animal, Pro-bowler in the making.............

I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......

HJam72
09-19-2006, 09:47 AM
He's doing a lot better, but his numbers are a little inflated from throwing shorter passes. He did also have the snap fumble. I find it really irritating that people think our losses are his fault, but he's no Pro Bowler yet. Let's keep things in perspective. He could start on a lot more teams than a lot of people think, but he's still not at all a top 5 QB. He's not our problem, nor is he the only answer we need. He's one player.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-19-2006, 09:49 AM
I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......


Very True thunderkyss..........very true......:redtowel:

Cjeremy635
09-19-2006, 09:52 AM
I agree, Ryans is a stud for a rookie and I hope he keeps building off of that in the future. He has an uncanny ability to sniff out the ball and make plays. As for Carr, everyone keeps saying the teams goes as Carr goes, so I think the team should start not making serious mistakes that cost the us the game and put us in compromising situations.... :shades: Just kidding, I think they all can get better and build off of the last two weeks.

infantrycak
09-19-2006, 09:53 AM
I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......

I bet NYG fans are happy their defense contributes to their team. And duh--the Giants OL is already controlling things to the tune of 136 yards per game at a 5 ypa clip. Wow, talk about being off target.

thunderkyss
09-19-2006, 09:56 AM
I bet NYG fans are happy their defense contributes to their team. And duh--the Giants OL is already controlling things to the tune of 136 yards per game at a 5 ypa clip. Wow, talk about being off target.

Wow, they gave up 9 sacks, 7 in regulation..... we only gave up 5.... wow, talk about missing the boat........

Chawky1
09-19-2006, 09:56 AM
I really had thought your offense would be impressive this year with a healthy DD and the addition of Moulds, but we see how that went (in terms of DD). At this stage of his career, I think Moulds is still a #1 WR, who just happened to have terrible Qb's throwing to him the last few years in a system bent on running the ball and controlling the clock. Yes, I realize you have traditionally been a run oriented team, but with AJ taking on the #1 Wr role, Moulds can really flourish without facing the oppositions top corner. You have Carr throwing to two #1's. I'd look for Carr to continue doing well, assuming the line can keep him on his feet. One can't help to wonder though how having DD and his pass catching from out of the backfield, how that could have taken your offense the next step forward and really put Carr's numbers through the roof. Hopefully if DC continues to do well statistically, that somewhere down the road it can translate into wins. AJ stretching the D with Moulds working underneath and intermediate has loads of potential.

Cjeremy635
09-19-2006, 10:07 AM
I really had thought your offense would be impressive this year with a healthy DD and the addition of Moulds, but we see how that went (in terms of DD). At this stage of his career, I think Moulds is still a #1 WR, who just happened to have terrible Qb's throwing to him the last few years in a system bent on running the ball and controlling the clock. Yes, I realize you have traditionally been a run oriented team, but with AJ taking on the #1 Wr role, Moulds can really flourish without facing the oppositions top corner. You have Carr throwing to two #1's. I'd look for Carr to continue doing well, assuming the line can keep him on his feet. One can't help to wonder though how having DD and his pass catching from out of the backfield, how that could have taken your offense the next step forward and really put Carr's numbers through the roof. Hopefully if DC continues to do well statistically, that somewhere down the road it can translate into wins. AJ stretching the D with Moulds working underneath and intermediate has loads of potential.


Thanks for your input CHAWKY. I would have liked to see us this year with a healthy DD as well, but things like this always seem to happen and it's how you handle the adversity that shows the character of your team. I have to say that Kubes & Co. have been active in finding a suitable replacement on short notice. No one would have thought that he wouldn't be able to play this year, it's a crying shame. As far as AJ & Moulds, I think that they have the ability to be an elite tandem in this league as long as Carr can get the ball to them and has time in the pocket.

dtran04
09-19-2006, 10:11 AM
Giants O-Line also shut out the Colts. So who knows....

bigTEXan8
09-19-2006, 10:59 AM
Wow, they gave up 9 sacks, 7 in regulation..... we only gave up 5.... wow, talk about missing the boat........

and that's because carr has had 4 years of learning how to scramble, and carr has learned to accept that the o-line will never block consistently for him...as to where eli will just stand there and try and make a throw, which is the other reason eli will have more int's than carr at the end of the season...imho. besides, they were playing the eagles. they blitz on every day that ends in "y". eli isn't that mobile.

powerfuldragon
09-19-2006, 11:02 AM
Keep in mind that half his stats were earned against the Colts second stringers.

Cjeremy635
09-19-2006, 11:04 AM
Keep in mind that half his stats were earned against the Colts second stringers.


Yeah, I've heard that as well. I also remember hearing at the beginning of the game that we only had one starter out there as well. Maybe they meant a returning starter from last year, but I do remember hearing the announcer say something along those lines. (not that it makes it any easier to swallow)

ArlingtonTexan
09-19-2006, 11:12 AM
He's doing a lot better, but his numbers are a little inflated from throwing shorter passes. He did also have the snap fumble. I find it really irritating that people think our losses are his fault, but he's no Pro Bowler yet. Let's keep things in perspective. He could start on a lot more teams than a lot of people think, but he's still not at all a top 5 QB. He's not our problem, nor is he the only answer we need. He's one player.

Nice balanced post on David Carr.

jerek
09-19-2006, 11:12 AM
Its good to see someone other than a DB leading the team in tackles

Ain't that the truth.

Kaiser Toro
09-19-2006, 11:22 AM
Good for Carr. Hopefully this goodness will help the team along the way. We need players that make other players better.

Texans Front Row Crew
09-19-2006, 11:22 AM
In the first two games of last year,

David Carr

@ Buffalo, Passing: 0 TD, 3 INT, QB rating 12.1 with 5 sacks
Pittsburg, Passing: 1 TD, 0 INT, QB rating 92.9 with 8 sacks

The next two games that year, David Carr was sack 14 times. If the sack count continues to drop and the passer rating hold, we will see some good thing from him. I think he is much better this year. :yahoo:

CarrIsFine
09-19-2006, 11:28 AM
Let's get the facts straight, Carr is really 3rd. Ryan Longwell has a rating of 158.3. :tease:

Vinny
09-19-2006, 11:30 AM
Carr has been improving while Plummer has looked like Jake 1.0 pre-Kubiak. I think it is obvious Kubiak is a heck of a QB coach. Those stats really don't mean much because those are the same stats that said Carr had a better game than Manning did Sunday. If Carr can get the ball upfield in the seams early in the game it will open up the running game as teams can't keep squatting on the run and zoning the middle. If he can, we will go .500 this year. If he can't we are a 4 win team at best.

Second Honeymoon
09-19-2006, 11:34 AM
Wow, they gave up 9 sacks, 7 in regulation..... we only gave up 5.... wow, talk about missing the boat........

Geez, as long as we keep turning the ball over and getting blown out in the first half of all of our games, maybe Carr can have the #1 QB rating and get invited to the Pro Bowl with a 0-16 record. Oh and Thunderkyss, its probably not too healthy to correct a Carr apologist moderator.....just spew the party line 'David Is Great. It's Not David's Fault. David Is Fine. Go Texans Go'.

doug ftw

TexansLucky13
09-19-2006, 11:35 AM
Carr has been improving while Plummer has looked like Jake 1.0 pre-Kubiak. I think it is obvious Kubiak is a heck of a QB coach. Those stats really don't mean much because those are the same stats that said Carr had a better game than Manning did Sunday. If Carr can get the ball upfield in the seams early in the game it will open up the running game as teams can't keep squatting on the run and zoning the middle. If he can, we will go .500 this year. If he can't we are a 4 win team at best.

Everyone knows that the stats for yesterday were exaggerated. They were playing the prevent and Carr blazed um. Does that mean he deserves no credit? No... like you said, he just need to perform like that earlier in the game. Kubiak really wanted to get the running game going, but that didnt happen. That limited our options. Thats the only problem with his offensive scheme... you need a smart O-line and patient RBs. The QB will get playing time after the run is established.

Judging things on a play by play basis, Carr deserves credit for his stats. He really proved a lot with both the AJ TD and the Daniels TD. He is showing that he is improved.

Vinny
09-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Geez, as long as we keep turning the ball over and getting blown out in the first half of all of our games, maybe Carr can have the #1 QB rating and get invited to the Pro Bowl with a 0-16 record. Oh and Thunderkyss, its probably not too healthy to correct a Carr apologist moderator.....just spew the party line 'David Is Great. It's Not David's Fault. David Is Fine. Go Texans Go'.

doug ftw
being a moderator has nothing to do with having a 'pro Texan' or 'pro Carr' opinion. Fans can think what they want...being a mod has zero to do with anything in that area.

No need to spew your hatred at the people who help keep this place clean enough and mature enough as most of the league has given up moderating mb's (because it really is a pain - trust me on that).....and the fans end up having to rely on private fan sites. Say what you want but the personal stuff needs to go to the side. Keep in mind that all I have to do is hit a button and I can solve any problem that doesn't include cooperation. It's hard enough keeping the rival trolls straight without fighting our fans.

Second Honeymoon
09-19-2006, 12:10 PM
being a moderator has nothing to do with having a 'pro Texan' or 'pro Carr' opinion. Fans can think what they want...being a mod has zero to do with anything in that area.

No need to spew your hatred at the people who help keep this place clean enough and mature enough as most of the league has given up moderating mb's (because it really is a pain - trust me on that).....and have to rely on private fan sites. Say what you want but the personal stuff needs to go to the side. Keep in mind that all I have to do is hit a button and I can solve any problem that doesn't include cooperation. It's hard enough keeping the rival trolls straight without fighting our fans.

There was no hatred in my post so I dont have anything to worry about.

Maybe once the organization starts making positive moves there will be a lot less negative stuff to address. I am just kool aid-free and proud of it.

doug ftw

p.s. many times I have given props to moderators for the thankless work they do.

eriadoc
09-19-2006, 12:15 PM
being a moderator has nothing to do with having a 'pro Texan' or 'pro Carr' opinion. Fans can think what they want...being a mod has zero to do with anything in that area.

No need to spew your hatred at the people who help keep this place clean enough and mature enough as most of the league has given up moderating mb's (because it really is a pain - trust me on that).....and the fans end up having to rely on private fan sites. Say what you want but the personal stuff needs to go to the side. Keep in mind that all I have to do is hit a button and I can solve any problem that doesn't include cooperation. It's hard enough keeping the rival trolls straight without fighting our fans.

It's not really the rival trolls that bother me.

PeekingDuck
09-19-2006, 12:27 PM
I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......


There are precious few posts that will draw a response from me - as evidenced by my whopping post total.

But this is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on here and trust me, I've reads loads of stupid posts.

No offense intended Thunderkyss, just pass the dutchie, please.


Peek

Vinny
09-19-2006, 12:34 PM
There was no hatred in my post so I dont have anything to worry about.

Maybe once the organization starts making positive moves there will be a lot less negative stuff to address. I am just kool aid-free and proud of it.

doug ftw

p.s. many times I have given props to moderators for the thankless work they do.
you can express disdain with the franchise as much as you want, but when you imply the mods are treating you (or anyone who carries your opinion) different because they reside on the other side of your argument I just view this as an agenda. People come here with various agendas from spam to just wanting to see chaotic responses, but we encourage debate about the team and can't get it with this place full of flip personal agendas. That goes from "homer guy" to "waaa my pee pee hurt guy". Most of us fall in the middle somewhere but all of us need to help keep this a place worth hosting. It just takes the smallest effort really.

Grid
09-19-2006, 12:38 PM
Carr has show alot more poise in the pocket.. he still has a ways to go but he has definatly looked alot better.

And to all the people saying he only has good stats cause he dumps it off.. I disagree. I have seen too many QBs that cant make a short 5-7 yard pass.

OzzO
09-19-2006, 12:44 PM
I.... Yes, I realize you have traditionally been a run oriented team, but with AJ taking on the #1 Wr role, Moulds can really flourish without facing the oppositions top corner. You have Carr throwing to two #1's.....

...If Carr can get the ball upfield in the seams early in the game it will open up the running game as teams can't keep squatting on the run and zoning the middle....


Paging Ibar.... I think you just had two people "verbally" agree with you to have the pass setup the run. (I'm sure there are many more that agree behind the scenes, m. board, as well.)

As for the original post... agree with some stats may be misleading, and there may have been some garbage time to adjust those stats.... but I tell you what - I would rather have that than the "give up" attitude or lousy stats on the team.

.... but I'd like a win as well - as I'm sure the team would. :redtowel:

bigTEXan8
09-19-2006, 12:51 PM
you can express disdain with the franchise as much as you want, but when you imply the mods are treating you (or anyone who carries your opinion) different because they reside on the other side of your argument I just view this as an agenda. People come here with various agendas from spam to just wanting to see chaotic responses, but we encourage debate about the team and can't get it with this place full of flip personal agendas. That goes from "homer guy" to "waaa my pee pee hurt guy". Most of us fall in the middle somewhere but all of us need to help keep this a place worth hosting. It just takes the smallest effort really.

kick his a** vinny!!!! ha!!! :cowboy1:

bigTEXan8
09-19-2006, 12:52 PM
Paging Ibar.... I think you just had two people "verbally" agree with you to have the pass setup the run. (I'm sure there are many more that agree behind the scenes, m. board, as well.)

As for the original post... agree with some stats may be misleading, and there may have been some garbage time to adjust those stats.... but I tell you what - I would rather have that than the "give up" attitude or lousy stats on the team.

.... but I'd like a win as well - as I'm sure the team would. :redtowel:

make that three...i think ibar is a smart guy.

thunderkyss
09-19-2006, 01:30 PM
and that's because carr has had 4 years of learning how to scramble, and carr has learned to accept that the o-line will never block consistently for him...as to where eli will just stand there and try and make a throw, which is the other reason eli will have more int's than carr at the end of the season...imho. besides, they were playing the eagles. they blitz on every day that ends in "y". eli isn't that mobile.

Eli will have more TDs & Ws than Carr as well.......


& I'm comparing Carr against Eli, both against the Eagles.

run-david-run
09-19-2006, 01:44 PM
Eli will have more TDs & Ws than Carr as well.......


& I'm comparing Carr against Eli, both against the Eagles.
For about 50 minutes against the Eagles, Carr acctually had better stats. Obviously Eli exploded in the 4th, but dont forget you need a defense to get you the ball back after you score. The Giants had that, we didnt.

Hulk75
09-19-2006, 02:18 PM
I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......
Yea too bad Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber, Plexico (I am 6-5 throw it up to me when rushed) Burress were not on Carrs team when he first got in the league.

David Carr is better then Eli Manning.

blockhead83
09-19-2006, 02:27 PM
Carr has been improving while Plummer has looked like Jake 1.0 pre-Kubiak. I think it is obvious Kubiak is a heck of a QB coach. Those stats really don't mean much because those are the same stats that said Carr had a better game than Manning did Sunday. If Carr can get the ball upfield in the seams early in the game it will open up the running game as teams can't keep squatting on the run and zoning the middle. If he can, we will go .500 this year. If he can't we are a 4 win team at best.

You make it sound as if you're placing the onus for our poor running game on Carr's deficiencies. Isn't the Broncos system based on using the run to set up the pass, and not vice versa? Not trying to argue or call you out, but just generally curious as to whether it's the other way around.

You have to admit Carr is looking downfield much more often instead of dumping it off all the time, albeit not in the 'seams'. Most of his throws have been 5 or 6 yard darts, but he's shown great accuracy on his longer throws as well. I haven't seen him come out throwing our receivers uncatchable balls.

Hulk75
09-19-2006, 02:28 PM
You make it sound as if you're placing the onus for our poor running game on Carr's deficiencies. Isn't the Broncos system based on using the run to set up the pass, and not vice versa? Not trying to argue or call you out, but just generally curious as to whether it's the other way around.

You have to admit Carr is looking downfield much more often instead of dumping it off all the time, albeit not in the 'seams'. Most of his throws have been 5 or 6 yard darts, but he's shown great accuracy on his longer throws as well. I haven't seen him come out throwing our receivers uncatchable balls.
Yes it is.

Vinny
09-19-2006, 02:30 PM
You make it sound as if you're placing the onus for our poor running game on Carr's deficiencies. Isn't the Broncos system based on using the run to set up the pass, and not vice versa? Not trying to argue or call you out, but just generally curious as to whether it's the other way around.

You have to admit Carr is looking downfield much more often instead of dumping it off all the time, albeit not in the 'seams'. Most of his throws have been 5 or 6 yard darts, but he's shown great accuracy on his longer throws as well. I haven't seen him come out throwing our receivers uncatchable balls.
Football is a game of countermeasures. You have to do both run and pass because teams can take away any one-dimensional strength you may have unless of course you have a true superstar like Earl Campbell or John Elway that can impose their will on you. We don't have one of them.

NJ Texan
09-19-2006, 02:58 PM
Anyone else notice that Carr is the only one in the top 5 quarterbacks that hasn't won a game so far? The fact that he is able to have a 100+ Qb rating and still be winnless says something...

I'm just not sure what it says exactly.

NFLforher
09-19-2006, 03:01 PM
I bet the NYG fans are happy Eli isn't waiting around for his OL to start controlling the line of scrimage.......

I don't recall Eli being sacked 200+ times, do you?

:yikes:

Vinny
09-19-2006, 03:04 PM
Anyone else notice that Carr is the only one in the top 5 quarterbacks that hasn't won a game so far? The fact that he is able to have a 100+ Qb rating and still be winnless says something...

I'm just not sure what it says exactly.It means you have to actually watch a game to figure out who played well when the game is on the line.

Hulk75
09-19-2006, 03:05 PM
Anyone else notice that Carr is the only one in the top 5 quarterbacks that hasn't won a game so far? The fact that he is able to have a 100+ Qb rating and still be winnless says something...

I'm just not sure what it says exactly.
It says our Defense is terrible..............in the last 2 games.

I dont think we are as bad on D as we have shown, I mean who does look good vs the Eagles and Colts.

Washington will be our 1st win.

Dread-Head
09-19-2006, 03:10 PM
Keep in mind that half his stats were earned against the Colts second stringers.


Yeah,
after his CENTER and two of his STARTING O-Linemen were taken out with injuries. In other words Carrs protection was deminished. What's your point again?

DH

Dread-Head
09-19-2006, 03:12 PM
It means you have to actually watch a game to figure out who played well when the game is on the line.


Translation: Everything that's wrong with the Texans..ISN'T Carr's fault.

DH

CoastalTexan
09-19-2006, 03:20 PM
Being winless with Carr's stats says something else is wrong, something that we have invested many many top half draft picks on.

noxiousdog
09-19-2006, 03:56 PM
Anyone else notice that Carr is the only one in the top 5 quarterbacks that hasn't won a game so far? The fact that he is able to have a 100+ Qb rating and still be winnless says something...

I'm just not sure what it says exactly.

It means he's not throwing interceptions and that the Texans have been far enough behind that the safties are playing deep.

Double Barrel
09-19-2006, 04:10 PM
"He's [Carr] got to play for four quarters," Kubiak said. "I'm gonna be on his butt until he becomes a four-quarter player."

In my mind, this quote from Kubiak speaks volumes over Carr's stats in two losses. :hmmm:

TEXANRED
09-19-2006, 04:12 PM
It means you have to actually watch a game to figure out who played well when the game is on the line.
Keep in mind its difficult to play hard with the game is on the line when you are down by 40 points.

K mf G
09-19-2006, 04:17 PM
indeed, something else is wrong witht the texans, the defense isn't as good as it was the first three years, still doesn't mean that david carr is any good, the stats are inflated because in both games the opposing team had no worry of losing the game, true the two teams are playoff bound, but the texans didn't even look like worthy opponents, that says alot about where this franchise is in it fifth year

Blake
09-19-2006, 04:21 PM
You can twist the stats any way you want them. The fact of the matter is Carr and Co didnt put up points when we needed them. And the defense didnt stop the colts like we needed them to.

Point is, we got beat by a damn good team. And its no surprise that they are a damn good team. They were a good team last year, and will be every year that Manning is at the helm.

We are just going to have to be a better all around football team to win in this league, and that comes with great drafts, and great coaching/execution.

noxiousdog
09-19-2006, 04:27 PM
"He's [Carr] got to play for four quarters," Kubiak said. "I'm gonna be on his butt until he becomes a four-quarter player."

In my mind, this quote from Kubiak speaks volumes over Carr's stats in two losses. :hmmm:

It also shows, along with similiar comments that he made about Mario, that now it's a matter of playing good all the time rather than simply if they can play good at all.

That's movement in the right direction.

Corrosion
09-19-2006, 04:30 PM
My 2 cents ....


Carr's numbers are pretty good overall . 40-53 , the 75.5% completion leads the NFL while being sacked 9 times . The #2 and 3 among completion percentage have a combined total of ONE sack , Rex Grossman, Chiago and Philip Rivers , San Diego Both of whom are over 70% .

No interceptions . One of only 5 opening day starters yet to throw a pick . With the poor pass protection he's had so far I'd say this is a miracle .

His 4TD's are tied for second most with three others . His 8.1 yard per attempt shows a nice improvement over his career avg. of 6.6 .


The numbers look pretty good on paper . The problem is he did this while the Texans went 0-2 . Its hard to point the finger at the QB when his numbers look this good , his pass protection has been so poor , the running game hasnt been remotely close to what was expected and the defense has given up an average of 33.5 points per game .

Carr has made lots of progress under Kubiak and I expect this to continue . He still has "Happy Feet" but with the 9 sacks over two games I'd expect that . But until the other aspects of the team improve we wont be able to guage how far Carr has really come . :ok:

:stirpot:

thunderkyss
09-19-2006, 04:49 PM
I don't recall Eli being sacked 200+ times, do you?

:yikes:

he was sacked 9 times in a win...... that's the kind of things that put some QBs in the Elite crowd.... getting sacked by the same team 5 times, and loosing means you're just another QB.

don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming David Carr for this loss, or last weeks, or any loss in the Texans' history. I'm just saying if Carr is ever going to be a QB of Eli's caliber(sarcasm) he's got to do something that your avg QB can't do..... other than take 218 sacks, or whatever the count is. I can take 218 sacks and lose, it's not a big deal. (I honestly don't think I couldsurvive, but that's not the point).

My point is, if you want to point to David's QB rating, and say, "look, he can be elite", I will point to an elite QB, and say, "Let's see him do that"

& I'm not saying Eli is elite..... but he's a lot closer than David Carr.

Texans86
09-19-2006, 04:51 PM
"He's [Carr] got to play for four quarters," Kubiak said. "I'm gonna be on his butt until he becomes a four-quarter player."

In my mind, this quote from Kubiak speaks volumes over Carr's stats in two losses. :hmmm:

It says that Carr played one heck of a quarter, and Kubiak believes if he can do that for four quarters, we should win. I think it also says that Kubiak thinks he can turn Carr into a four quarter QB. I like this, as well as Carr played, Kubiak is still going to tear Carr apart.

I see it kind of like working out. You have to tear the muscle fibers in order for them to grow. I see Kubiak ripping apart the game and making Carr that much better overall.

thunderkyss
09-19-2006, 04:59 PM
It says that Carr played one heck of a quarter, and Kubiak believes if he can do that for four quarters, we should win. I think it also says that Kubiak thinks he can turn Carr into a four quarter QB. I like this, as well as Carr played, Kubiak is still going to tear Carr apart.

I see it kind of like working out. You have to tear the muscle fibers in order for them to grow. I see Kubiak ripping apart the game and making Carr that much better overall.

It means David didn't help us win in the first three Qtrs... Some of the throws he decided to throw didn't put us in a position to be competitive.

Sure, the dropped balls didn't help..... but throwing a 5 yard on 3rd & 15, right after you threw a 4 yard pass on 2 & 20 ??

Sure, they might have had two safeties over the top, but a probowl QB is going to have to beat a probowl cover 2, or a probowl corner, or a probowl blitz every now and again. to not even challenge the Colts secondary is a little short of pathetic.

Sportsfan
09-19-2006, 05:10 PM
I'd rather be 2-0 and see Carr w/ a rating below 100.

ArlingtonTexan
09-19-2006, 05:34 PM
I'd rather be 2-0 and see Carr w/ a rating below 100.

From his statement at the weekly presser, so would his coach.

Second Honeymoon
09-19-2006, 05:42 PM
Yea too bad Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber, Plexico (I am 6-5 throw it up to me when rushed) Burress were not on Carrs team when he first got in the league.

David Carr is better then Eli Manning.

You have got to be kidding me? That is just a ridiculous statement and shows that more than a few Carr homers aren't even objective in their observations.

doug

Wolf
09-19-2006, 05:43 PM
I said this in a post before.. I almost wish Carr would have turned down the extention and went somewhere else now.

He can't and never will win in Houston...
reason 1...when his stats are good, it is all about Carr and he got his stats in garbage and blablabla..
reason 2..if his stats are bad and if the Texan happen to win..it is because yadayada won the game for the Texans ..


I mean If I wanted to I could pick out a stat about when we ran the ball and gained over 100 yards we lose... lets blame the RB on that...(Cowboys had a pretty good record when Emmit got 100 yards rushing)..well the Texans can't run and can't play defense right now.

People forget about the NFL and the parity that is going on.. you have to be clicking on all 3 phases...err well 4 phase of the game...ST,Offense,Defense, and coaching to win in this league.. you can't just win on talent alone like in the pre salary cap days

chuckm
09-19-2006, 05:43 PM
You have got to be kidding me? That is just an *****ic statement and shows that more than a few Carr homers aren't even objective in their observations.

doug


ditto for Carr haters (but you already knew that)

Second Honeymoon
09-19-2006, 05:44 PM
It means he's not throwing interceptions and that the Texans have been far enough behind that the safties are playing deep.

quoted for truth

Double Barrel
09-19-2006, 05:44 PM
It says that Carr played one heck of a quarter, and Kubiak believes if he can do that for four quarters, we should win. I think it also says that Kubiak thinks he can turn Carr into a four quarter QB.

You read a lot more into his quote than I do, but I like your optimistic thinking.

IMHO, a fifth year QB should not be at a point where he is questionable about being able to do his part to play well for four quarters. This particular Kubiak quote can be seen through a positive prism, but it can also be a reflection of some serious deficiencies, as well.

I still trust Kubiak's judgement, though, because he will either make or break Carr. His head coaching career will not be determined by the contract a player has with the team, so we know we'll have a good QB at the end of day...Carr or not.

Wolf
09-19-2006, 05:45 PM
You have got to be kidding me? That is just an *****ic statement and shows that more than a few Carr homers aren't even objective in their observations.

doug
http://www.forum-schuldnerberatung.de/forumneu/images/icons/troll.gif

I say that because I have yet to see anything positive come out

Second Honeymoon
09-19-2006, 05:49 PM
ditto for Carr haters (but you already knew that)

I am quite objective in my observations of Carr. Carr has never done anything of note in over 60 starts....thus my criticism holds weight. Dude is just not a good QB but whatever, I have given up trying to open your eyes to those facts. Now I will just point out blatantly ignorant statements such as the one I quoted from the guy with the Carr avatar...whatever his name was.

I am not worried, I have known that Carr has sucked since about halfway through Year2. Another year of horrible subpar QB play won't kill me if the previous 4 havent....there will be plenty of you homers around eating crow once the organization admits their mistake in drafting carr, starting carr, and re-signing carr....The object of football is to win championships and anyone who thinks Carr will get a sniff of the playoffs, much less the Super Bowl, are really drinking loads and loads of battlered koolaid....

but whatever, you have your opinion and I have mine...mine just happens to be right

Doug ftw

chuckm
09-19-2006, 05:52 PM
but whatever, you have your opinion and I have mine...mine just happens to be right

Doug ftw

Show me one person who's opinion is wrong .....

Second Honeymoon
09-19-2006, 05:53 PM
I said this in a post before.. I almost wish Carr would have turned down the extention and went somewhere else now.

He can't and never will win in Houston...
reason 1...when his stats are good, it is all about Carr and he got his stats in garbage and blablabla..
reason 2..if his stats are bad and if the Texan happen to win..it is because yadayada won the game for the Texans ..


I mean If I wanted to I could pick out a stat about when we ran the ball and gained over 100 yards we lose... lets blame the RB on that...(Cowboys had a pretty good record when Emmit got 100 yards rushing)..well the Texans can't run and can't play defense right now.

People forget about the NFL and the parity that is going on.. you have to be clicking on all 3 phases...err well 4 phase of the game...ST,Offense,Defense, and coaching to win in this league.. you can't just win on talent alone like in the pre salary cap days

Ok, how many games has Carr won for us? That's right, none. Needless to say, dude has cost us lots of games with his inconsistent and mistake prone QB play....guy still looks like a rookie...period

real
09-19-2006, 05:54 PM
Ok, how many games has Carr won for us? That's right, none. Needless to say, dude has cost us lots of games with his inconsistent and mistake prone QB play....guy still looks like a rookie...period

Can you name a game that CARR specifically has cost us ?

OzzO
09-19-2006, 05:56 PM
From his statement at the weekly presser, so would his coach.

From his statement in the chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4196962.html), so would Carr.

...His 123.7 passer rating ranks third in the NFL, but he knows it's tainted because of the fourth-quarter competition at Indianapolis.

"I didn't even know that, but I'd trade it for two wins in a heartbeat," Carr said about his rating....

real
09-19-2006, 05:56 PM
Carr hasn't won us any games with outstanding play, but he certainly hasn't cost us...

TEXANRED
09-19-2006, 06:10 PM
Who care about Carrs stats.

We're 0-2 and given up 67 points in two games.

chuckm
09-19-2006, 06:12 PM
Who care about Carrs stats.

We're 0-2 and given up 67 points in two games.


Ok enough of that ...... back to the point at hand .... CARR SUCKS

thunderkyss
09-19-2006, 06:33 PM
Ok enough of that ...... back to the point at hand .... CARR SUCKS

thanks chuckm...... this thread was going off topic fast....

Thanks for bringing us back to our senses....



:shades:

chuckm
09-19-2006, 06:34 PM
thanks chuckm...... this thread was going off topic fast....

Thanks for bringing us back to our senses....



:shades:


enough lip service .... where's my rep?

Number19
09-19-2006, 08:10 PM
He's doing a lot better, but his numbers are a little inflated from throwing shorter passes...Carr has a "Yards per Attempt" of 8.06, ranking him 7th (possibly 8th, I don't know about this Longwell).

blockhead83
09-19-2006, 08:13 PM
Carr has a "Yards per Attempt" of 8.06, ranking him 7th (possibly 8th, I don't know about this Longwell).


That's because he only has long passes in garbage time.

:sarcasm:

noxiousdog
09-19-2006, 08:15 PM
Ok, how many games has Carr won for us? That's right, none. Needless to say, dude has cost us lots of games with his inconsistent and mistake prone QB play....guy still looks like a rookie...period

9/8/02 - 2 touchdowns vs Dallas - win 19-10
10/27/02 - 1 TD at Jacksonville, 184 yds - win 21-19
9/7/03 - 1 TD, 266 yds at Miami - win 21-20
9/28/03 - 1 TD, 234 yds vs Jacksonville - win 24-20
9/26/04 - 1 TD, 233 yds at KC - win 24-21
10/3/04 - 1 TD, 228 yds vs Oakland - win 30-17
10/17/04 - 1 TD, 266 yds at Tennesee - win 20-10
10/31/04 - 1 TD, 276 yds vs Jacksonville - win 20-6
11/28/04 - 2 TD, 201 yds vs Tennesee - win 31-21
12/19/04 - 1 TD, 220 yds at Chicago - win 24-5

TexanSam
09-19-2006, 08:19 PM
The QB rating is flawed. If Carr just threw screen plays all the time and had an 80% completion rate, his QB rating would be high as well. Obviously Carr hasn't been one of the top QB's thus far this season. He hasn't been in the bottom either. I'd put him right in the middle. It's nice that he has a good QB rating but the system isn't all it's meant to be. Had the Texans actually been in the game against Indy in the 4th quarter I doubt he would have thrown 3 TD passes. But I'm glad all the "Bench Carr, play Sage" posts and threads are gone.

Number19
09-19-2006, 08:21 PM
That's because he only has long passes in garbage time.

:sarcasm:And Manning's statisics came against our **** *** defense. They all count the same.

His performance shows what the passing offense is capable of if given time in the pocket.

Number19
09-19-2006, 08:24 PM
In many ways Carr's career to date reminds me of Archie Manning's.

cuppacoffee
09-19-2006, 08:50 PM
And Manning's statisics came against our **** *** defense. They all count the same.

His performance shows what the passing offense is capable of if given time in the pocket.

We have a winner...Pay the man.:money:

:coffee:

blockhead83
09-19-2006, 08:52 PM
And Manning's statisics came against our **** *** defense. They all count the same.

His performance shows what the passing offense is capable of if given time in the pocket.

I think you missed the :sarcasm:. I agree with you.

AustinJB
09-19-2006, 08:57 PM
And Manning's statisics came against our **** *** defense. They all count the same.

His performance shows what the passing offense is capable of if given time in the pocket.

Actually, I tend to mildly disagree w/ this. I'm not saying that Manning was ever under dire pressure during the game, but IMO the major problem was that he got rid of the ball so quickly that our Dline never had much of a chance to put pressure on him.

That translates to...we had HORRIBLE coverage all day, so bad that Manning could snap the ball and throw to the endzone immediately for a TD almost before our Dline could start applying pressure.

A more accurate statement would be "His performance shows what the passing offense is capable of if playing against a FS that should probably be a linebacker":crutch:

GP
09-19-2006, 10:11 PM
Good for Carr. Hopefully this goodness will help the team along the way. We need players that make other players better.

One thing, IMO, that made Denver a great team was the subtle but effective and efficient play of their QB.

It's pretty simple: The other players tend to play beter when they don't have to worry about their QB and if he can "hang" or not. Once the RBs and WRs, and O-linemen and D-linemen and even the TEs can see that their Qb is not going to cost them the game, then they feel MORE free to play loose and to take risks.

The great teams may have "great" Qbs, but I think if we look closer at those teams, they ALL play better when someone at the QB is firmly entrenched as "the guy" and is leading the charge with confidence, saying "This is my huddle. I call the shots. I don't screw up, so therefore YOU can't screw up."

Maybe it's the method to the Kubiak "QB Mentoring" madness.

Looka' here: Jake's playing poorly and his team around him is also not doin' so good, are they? The confidence in Jake is eroding, and the other players are sinking, too.

Kaiser Toro
09-19-2006, 10:19 PM
The great teams may have "great" Qbs, but I think if we look closer at those teams, they ALL play better when someone at the QB is firmly entrenched as "the guy" and is leading the charge with confidence, saying "This is my huddle. I call the shots. I don't screw up, so therefore YOU can't screw up."

When you peel it back this is exactly what a lot of fans and maybe some players are waiting for.

I think we are getting better in some facets of the game and am enjoying watching some guys develop and do things differently.

wicked_wayz
09-19-2006, 10:51 PM
Ok, how many games has Carr won for us? That's right, none. Needless to say, dude has cost us lots of games with his inconsistent and mistake prone QB play....guy still looks like a rookie...period

if your gonna blame carr for the losses then start with the defence......defence wins games....if you ever played football or any other sort of contact sport e.g rugby league...then you will agree with this....its the defence thats costing us not carr

PoolMaster21
09-19-2006, 10:52 PM
9/8/02 - 2 touchdowns vs Dallas - win 19-10
10/27/02 - 1 TD at Jacksonville, 184 yds - win 21-19
9/7/03 - 1 TD, 266 yds at Miami - win 21-20
9/28/03 - 1 TD, 234 yds vs Jacksonville - win 24-20
9/26/04 - 1 TD, 233 yds at KC - win 24-21
10/3/04 - 1 TD, 228 yds vs Oakland - win 30-17
10/17/04 - 1 TD, 266 yds at Tennesee - win 20-10
10/31/04 - 1 TD, 276 yds vs Jacksonville - win 20-6
11/28/04 - 2 TD, 201 yds vs Tennesee - win 31-21
12/19/04 - 1 TD, 220 yds at Chicago - win 24-5

Salient post - note the great run in 2004, before the Capers Crew messed up the offense - let's see what a year under Kubiak does :redtowel:

wicked_wayz
09-19-2006, 10:53 PM
Ok enough of that ...... back to the point at hand .... CARR SUCKS

if carr sucks...defence sucks even more

Brandon420tx
09-20-2006, 12:38 AM
How can people compare the Giants win against the Eagles to the Texans loss against Colts?

If the either one of those fumbles had gone the other way in the Eagles/Giants game, the Giants lose. The Giants only even had a chance at the end of that game because of:

1A.) Recovering that fumble in the endzone (After one of the Eagles players knocked it into the endzone when he tried to slide (not fall on like your supposed to) into it.)
1B.) The Westbrook fumble.
2.) The loss of Kearse in overtime
3.) Buress is a big reciever who adjusted on that prayer that Eli threw up to win the game. Amazing catch.

So, with this in mind, if the Texans had some breaks (I admit that G. Earl made some great back to back plays to get the Texans the ball) we might still lose, but it wouldn't be that bad.

I still say that this team (Texans) will play better
For those who like to point out that most of his early throws were short passes I say this: if the short passes are there, I want him to throw it instead of forcing a worse throw. (Even on third, at least the recievers have a chance to make a play... after all, they are pro-bowlers) Short yards are better then no yards and turnovers, and since our running game is non existent the short throws can be used as substitutes to bring the safeties up. (I'm not saying thats what the Texans were trying to do). So I have 3 football philosophies. 1) Run to pass deep 2) Pass deep to run and 3) Pass short to pass deep.

Hopefully Samkon and Dayne can get us back to philosophy 1, because we don't have time to do philosophy 2, and I just now invented philosophy 3 and Kubiak might not know that one.

CarrIsFine
09-20-2006, 01:12 AM
It looks like it is going to be the year of the defense in the NFL. Too bad Houston didn't get the memo. The D gave up a league worst 26 points a game last year and will be lucky to finish better than that this year. Until that number improves it doesn't matter who the QB is, they will not have a winning record and will continue to be bashed.

If Carr would have been fortunate enough to be traded to say a Chicago or Baltimore, he would be 2-0 and his YTD stats would be appreciated.

phan1
09-20-2006, 11:34 AM
I never thought I'd say this but our offense is pretty good compared to our defense. Until last year's 2-14 flop, it's always been our defense that really helped us win games. Now it looks like we've got to count on our offense to win games. I'm amazed that our defense really does look that bad right now.

All of our blitzes the past 2 weeks have been picked up with ease. We could have sent in the whole barn and McNabb would still have ample time to throw. We really need to get our timing down on those blitzes cause these lineman are picking it up with ease.

chuckm
09-20-2006, 12:17 PM
enough lip service .... where's my rep?



I got negative rep for this post .... they didn't see fit to leave their name .... all they left was two words ..... they'll be filtered out so I'll translate ...

intelligent butt

chuckm
09-20-2006, 12:56 PM
Thank you

thunderkyss
09-20-2006, 01:29 PM
I got negative rep for this post .... they didn't see fit to leave their name .... all they left was two words ..... they'll be filtered out so I'll translate ...

intelligent butt

Wasn't me..... I gave you the good stuff, & signed my name.....