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Dime
09-17-2006, 03:58 PM
I am one of the biggest anti-Carr people on this board. I will have to say that Carr has done much better his last two games. Yes, he has had his moments.., but he is looking so much better in the pocket, he is looking at other people, making better decisions, and his passes are HUGE more accurate then they have been in the past. If he keeps this up.. I might have to come off my position of being anti-carr. I not saying he is where he needs to be.. I am saying he has shown a good deal of improvement.

Hulk75
09-17-2006, 04:00 PM
GOOD give the guy props when he diserves it, fix the Defense.

RTP2110
09-17-2006, 04:02 PM
I am one of the biggest anti-Carr people on this board. I will have to say that Carr has done much better his last two games. Yes, he has had his moments.., but he is looking so much better in the pocket, he is looking at other people, making better decisions, and his passes are HUGE more accurate then they have been in the past. If he keeps this up.. I might have to come off my position of being anti-carr. I not saying he is where he needs to be.. I am saying he has shown a good deal of improvement.

Wow, a Carr post without o-line blaming or baseless Carr flaming? Thank you for your objective opinion. Good post.

bigTEXan8
09-17-2006, 04:02 PM
carr has played as well as can be expected. he hasn't thrown an int. he had trouble holding on to the ball today, but being tattooed day in and day out doesn't help that situation. but i want to pose this question...if dd is healthy, are these games any different? my personal opinion says no...but that's just me.

OzzO
09-17-2006, 04:03 PM
That's a big step for whichever side of the "pro/anti" side a fan is on to glance over and see the other side of the story and not be so blinded by one's position to realize there may be some truth to it.

Kudos Dime. Some rep for that post.

I think overall, I'm still Switzerland on Carr. There are some times he makes some bone headed moves, other times there are flashes of amazement. I think what I do know about him (from the casual fan persepective) is that he'll be an average QB. If Kubiak continues to work with Carr, to slow the game back down, get rid of some happy feet, play more to his strengths, see the entire field as well as read the defense, banish the sack demons of his first 4 years.... I think he'll finish out an average QB. Not one to take the team on his back, to be the STAR player of the team - but one who does his part in the system and make less of the mental errors as time progresses.

Dime
09-17-2006, 04:06 PM
All I have asked for the last years was to show improvement.. He has done that in several areas so far. As long as he keeps improving and shows like he has the last two games, I am happy with him. I care about the games W/L, but not as much as team improvement.

SESupergenius
09-17-2006, 04:07 PM
The thing about it is, Carr did fantastic the 2nd half, and if the defense could have done anything we would have had a respectable game.

texflex513
09-17-2006, 04:09 PM
carr has played as well as can be expected. he hasn't thrown an int. he had trouble holding on to the ball today, but being tattooed day in and day out doesn't help that situation. but i want to pose this question...if dd is healthy, are these games any different? my personal opinion says no...but that's just me.

With the way the run blocking has been looking i dont think domanick would have been able to run it much better.

Pagan
09-17-2006, 04:13 PM
Two things I haven't been impressed with so far, and they might just be habits. I really don't know.

1. He is still staring down receivers.

2. He's dumping off way too much. Yea, I understand he's not getting alot of time, but when he does he'll go for the back instead of the reveiver.

And I wouldn't get too pumped, most of his stats came in the 4th when the game was already decided.

But to be fair, he has looked better than he has in the past couple of years (since THE Clevland game). Jury is still out though.

pittbull
09-17-2006, 04:13 PM
I'm all for Carr! The D looks horrible and O-line looks like swiss cheese. Give the guy time and he's proving he can find the right guy on the field!

Goldeagle
09-17-2006, 04:14 PM
I am one of the biggest anti-Carr people on this board. I will have to say that Carr has done much better his last two games. Yes, he has had his moments.., but he is looking so much better in the pocket, he is looking at other people, making better decisions, and his passes are HUGE more accurate then they have been in the past. If he keeps this up.. I might have to come off my position of being anti-carr. I not saying he is where he needs to be.. I am saying he has shown a good deal of improvement.


Great post man!

JDTexan
09-17-2006, 04:36 PM
CARR IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!

OUR DEFENSE IS! :crying:

Hulk75
09-17-2006, 04:39 PM
CARR IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!

OUR DEFENSE IS! :crying:
:highfive: ................100% agree

run-david-run
09-17-2006, 04:45 PM
They smell blood...they are coming soon

The haters...

RiotCommander
09-17-2006, 04:49 PM
Those of you who think he is dumping off too much MAY be right. However have you seen his TD to Int ratio?

I think we will start to look better when we aren't playing teams that are Superbowl contenders. I just hope we're able to stay in one piece as a team until then. We really should have a great chance next week vs Washington.

Wolf
09-17-2006, 04:50 PM
GOOD give the guy props when he diserves it, fix the Defense.

problem is some people won't admit when Carr is playing well. they still find the faults

cred
09-17-2006, 04:52 PM
Two things I haven't been impressed with so far, and they might just be habits. I really don't know.

1. He is still staring down receivers.

2. He's dumping off way too much. Yea, I understand he's not getting alot of time, but when he does he'll go for the back instead of the reveiver.

And I wouldn't get too pumped, most of his stats came in the 4th when the game was already decided.

But to be fair, he has looked better than he has in the past couple of years (since THE Clevland game). Jury is still out though.







Obviously you didn't watch the game, because if you did you would have noticed the that he moved the ball around to the other recievers other that just the check down. Now he did check down to FB Cook a few times but let me ask you what would you have done. My guess....................probably worse.

TheCD
09-17-2006, 04:53 PM
I am one of the biggest anti-Carr people on this board. I will have to say that Carr has done much better his last two games. Yes, he has had his moments.., but he is looking so much better in the pocket, he is looking at other people, making better decisions, and his passes are HUGE more accurate then they have been in the past. If he keeps this up.. I might have to come off my position of being anti-carr. I not saying he is where he needs to be.. I am saying he has shown a good deal of improvement.



It's glad to see someone on the anti-Carr fence taking an objective look at the entire team. It seems like you're actually doing what the other's aren't...understand what Carr is responsible for doing. None of us know for certain what Kubiak is telling Carr to do on the field...for all we know he's doing EXACTLY what he's been told.


But I'm with you on this...he's not playing as well as he could or should...and he SHOULD get quite a bit of blame...but only for things that he's responsible for doing. I think we're all upset with Carr today because we're upset with how the team performed. I think Carr play a hard game, but he still didn't play very well at all (just like the rest of the team).

K.D.
09-17-2006, 04:56 PM
Two things I haven't been impressed with so far, and they might just be habits. I really don't know.

1. He is still staring down receivers.

2. He's dumping off way too much. Yea, I understand he's not getting alot of time, but when he does he'll go for the back instead of the reveiver.

And I wouldn't get too pumped, most of his stats came in the 4th when the game was already decided.

But to be fair, he has looked better than he has in the past couple of years (since THE Clevland game). Jury is still out though.

Man are you really paying attention to the game. 1. Carr is getting alot better at going thru his progressions, eg. TD to Owens,TD to Johnson. Staring at recievers is coming from a 3-drop step that requires for a quick throw. 2. The dump-offs are not a bad thing, either the reciever is covered up or the pass rush is right there in his face. The couple of DO'S to Cook, you can clearly tell that Carr wanted to go down-field, but the coverage was there. I'll rather a DO instead of throwing into tight coverage if the play isn't there. If all of his stats came in the 4qtr. so what? You play the game to COMPETE!! That is what football is all about, is it his fault really? Play until the fat-lady sings. You should know this playa!!

blockhead83
09-17-2006, 05:08 PM
Carr can be a good starter for us if these first two games were any indication. He needs a defense and a running game before he starts really leading us to victories. So far Kubiak's decision to work with him instead of drafting VY is looking positive.

Pagan
09-17-2006, 05:08 PM
Obviously you didn't watch the game, because if you did you would have noticed the that he moved the ball around to the other recievers other that just the check down. Now he did check down to FB Cook a few times but let me ask you what would you have done. My guess....................probably worse.

Did you read my post? I admit, I wasn't specific that I was looking as he performance over the past two games.

Those two flaws of his game are glaring. Did I put all of it on him? Noooooo.

But I bet you could have dumped off just as well as he did, and prolly better than me..I'm kinda old and like to drink and smoke too much.

Now, since we've got the lil quibling out of the way. I don't mind the dumps, they are going to happen, but Carr seems to lock onto one receiver and if that doesn't break his way it's right to the outlet.

The perfect example was in the Eagles game last week, where he dumped to the RB when Moulds had a step on the CB on the same side of the field.

*shrug* Again, But to be fair, he has looked better than he has in the past couple of years (since THE Clevland game). Jury is still out though.


RC - I discount the stats in the 4th in the IND game. Not necc a knock against the offense, but no fair person can say Ind was playing b%^ls to wall D, since the game was in hand.

Cgold
09-17-2006, 05:20 PM
Carr is not the problem.. I hear the complaint that he is dumping it off to much. The whole reason of dumping the ball off is taking what is given to you. Obviously the wr's are covered downfield and he is making smart desicions and trying to keep drives going. You think the colts D is playing the run?? haha.. the WRS are covered!!!! What you people want? Him to blast it down field into double coverage so he can throw ints? He's playing smart and taking whats given to him. To go 22-26 with a couple wr drops when we have NO running game and a far below average OL....people stop with the hating.. Id rather DC dump it off every play if the WRs are covered and keep the drives going than fire it downfield so people can get their wr's fantasy points..

Bottom line is people hoped for improvement this year, and he is the only part of the team that has improved despite no improvement by every other aspect of the team.. OL has no improvemnt, the defense line has no improvent, the db;s have no improvent, the running is game is FARRRR worse...Carr is a good quarterback and he is doing just about as good as you can hope for..

I dont care what you carr haters think and all the whining, i know its going to be here for 16 weeks, but if you think we could put any other quarterback behind center with our D and our running game and line... wed still be 0-2, i dont care who you say.. and the people that want rosenfels in thats just hilarious.. if you think that would improve the team in anyway you should switch to another sport like baseball which would be easier for you to understand

Dime
09-17-2006, 05:58 PM
actually from what I saw was that carr needs to get out of that first quarter jitters.

Jitters can affect everyone. I am talking about his play

texflex513
09-17-2006, 06:03 PM
Carr is not the problem.. I hear the complaint that he is dumping it off to much. The whole reason of dumping the ball off is taking what is given to you. Obviously the wr's are covered downfield and he is making smart desicions and trying to keep drives going. You think the colts D is playing the run?? haha.. the WRS are covered!!!! What you people want? Him to blast it down field into double coverage so he can throw ints? He's playing smart and taking whats given to him. To go 22-26 with a couple wr drops when we have NO running game and a far below average OL....people stop with the hating.. Id rather DC dump it off every play if the WRs are covered and keep the drives going than fire it downfield so people can get their wr's fantasy points..

Bottom line is people hoped for improvement this year, and he is the only part of the team that has improved despite no improvement by every other aspect of the team.. OL has no improvemnt, the defense line has no improvent, the db;s have no improvent, the running is game is FARRRR worse...Carr is a good quarterback and he is doing just about as good as you can hope for..

I dont care what you carr haters think and all the whining, i know its going to be here for 16 weeks, but if you think we could put any other quarterback behind center with our D and our running game and line... wed still be 0-2, i dont care who you say.. and the people that want rosenfels in thats just hilarious.. if you think that would improve the team in anyway you should switch to another sport like baseball which would be easier for you to understandI could not have said it better my thoughts exactly.!!

Buffi2
09-17-2006, 06:05 PM
I not saying he is where he needs to be.. I am saying he has shown a good deal of improvement.
Thank you and a good post! I am so tired of everyone blaming Carr for everything - this is refreshing and I agree. Carr looks better every game - he just needs to start looking better earlier in the game.

It certainly isn't going to help the team or the fans' blood pressure to be so entirely negative after every game. Carr managed 3 TD's - we could have been shut out. For awhile there I thought we would be.