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Dr. Toro
09-16-2006, 11:43 AM
From Sporting News exercise phyiologist Brian Baldinger:

"At 6-7, 291, Williams has amazing size for an end. He's smart, and he's hungry. He wants to live up to his draft status. But he'll have a hard time doing so because he isn't a fast-twitch guy."

"All the good pass-rushing ends -- Dwight Freeney, Jason Taylor, Michael Strahan, John Abraham and a few others -- are fast-twitch guys. You either have it or you don't, and Williams doesn't."

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=128025

Look, I don't know why these guys want to throw dirt on Mario after one game... but this is getting a little silly. Yes, Freeney, Taylor, and Abraham are quicker than Mario. Mario's not that type of guy, but he's pretty explosive (4.66 40, 40" vertical, 10" broad jump, good 3 cone, average short shuttle) for his size and strength (35 reps). Superfast guys make more immediate impacts too, it's just easier to have immediate success when you can run by guys. Knowing Mario's not that type of guy, judging him so prematurely is ridiculous.

I just wonder if Baldinger remembers a guy named Reggie White. Some of the guys Baldinger mentioned could run circles around Reggie White... Reggie ran a 4.6 too, BTW. In Reggie's first two years in the USFL he had 23.5 sacks in 36 games. Everybody needs to chill out... if Mario keeps working he'll be an even more formidable athlete in a few years. I just think it's so funny Mario's being held to the standard of flavor of the week DE's as if they are the only type that have ever had success.

TexansTailg8r
09-16-2006, 11:49 AM
Typical media. Most of them will bash when things go bad, and tell you how they were one of the only people to support the pick when things go good. It's our job as viewers/consumers to hold them accountable for picking the flavor of the day. :shoot:

K.D.
09-16-2006, 11:56 AM
Typical media. Most of them will bash when things go bad, and tell you how they were one of the only people to support the pick when things go good. It's our job as viewers/consumers to hold them accountable for picking the flavor of the day. :shoot:

I'm totally with you on this,dogg!! National media sucks in more ways than just one.:shades:

Second Honeymoon
09-16-2006, 11:59 AM
Typical media. Most of them will bash when things go bad, and tell you how they were one of the only people to support the pick when things go good. It's our job as viewers/consumers to hold them accountable for picking the flavor of the day. :shoot:

How much did Carr pay you to ask for his autograph?

doug from the woodlands

mike230765
09-16-2006, 11:59 AM
Has every sports broadcastor bashed Mario except for Mchael Smith?

thunderkyss
09-16-2006, 12:03 PM
From Sporting News exercise phyiologist Brian Baldinger:

"At 6-7, 291, Williams has amazing size for an end. He's smart, and he's hungry. He wants to live up to his draft status. But he'll have a hard time doing so because he isn't a fast-twitch guy."

"All the good pass-rushing ends -- Dwight Freeney, Jason Taylor, Michael Strahan, John Abraham and a few others -- are fast-twitch guys. You either have it or you don't, and Williams doesn't."

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=128025



I'd be worried about this, if I was expecting Mario to be a fast twitch "GOOD" pass rusher....

But since we're expecting him to be a "GREAT" pass rusher, like other non-fast twitch guys.... Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Mean Joe Green...... etc..

NEROtheZERO
09-16-2006, 12:06 PM
I wonder if this might be the reasoning behind moving Mario on the inside on pass plays? I'm no physiologist but I would assume that Babin and Peek might be "fast twitch" guys which would be useful on the outside while Mario could utilize his size and strength on the inside.

TexansTailg8r
09-16-2006, 12:07 PM
How much did Carr pay you to ask for his autograph?

doug from the woodlands


lol :stirpot:

Dr. Toro
09-16-2006, 12:14 PM
I wonder if this might be the reasoning behind moving Mario on the inside on pass plays? I'm no physiologist but I would assume that Babin and Peek might be "fast twitch" guys which would be useful on the outside while Mario could utilize his size and strength on the inside.

Peek is quicker... I think it's about getting as much quickness and speed on the d-line as possible in passing situations. Mario has good quickness for a DE, but he's freakishly athletic for a guy who can play the interior. His sack numbers will suffer as a result... but my assumption is if Mario proves his ability to get sacks playing end in situations other than 3rd and long, the staff won't mess with what's working and Peek or Babin will get less time.

The other thing about Mario is he's a smart guy who is worrying about responsibilities other than just hitting the QB. Give him some time to settle in, figure things out, and you'll see some QBs tasting turf.

gtexan02
09-16-2006, 12:21 PM
Hahahahahahaha (I'm continuing to laugh inside my head :)) This has got to be the MOST rediculous article I've ever read. This guy was an offensive lineman, and now he thinks he's a muscle scientist? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

First of all, all humans have both types of fibers in their bodies. Fast twitch fibers are useful for one type of movements, slow twitch for others. To think that Williams doesn't have fast twitch muscle fibers is like saying "Ive never seen him breathe, so clearly he doesn't have lungs"

Second of all, while it may be true that certain individuals develop different fibers to different extents, to be able to "Scientifically conclude" that "you either have it or you don't" by watching 1 game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 1 GAME.

Did he do extensive muscle testing on Williams and the other "fast twitch" guys to cmpare them? Nope. Has he compiled detailed breakdowns of every play Williams has played in, analyzing his net reaction time? Nope. All he did was watch ONE PLAY, where Williams GOT FAKED out by McNabb. It wasn't that he was too slow to react to Westbrook, it was that he was playing like a ROOKIE and got caught on the fake inside. He bit inside, and by the time he realized Westbrook was running outside, was already way behind. OF COURSE he couldn't catch up.

I would love to meet this guy. I'd tell him that "reporting skills" are something that "you either have or you don't." The greats all have it, and I"m afraid that you simply don't.

Nbkan
09-16-2006, 12:41 PM
Hahahahahahaha (I'm continuing to laugh inside my head :)) This has got to be the MOST rediculous article I've ever read. This guy was an offensive lineman, and now he thinks he's a muscle scientist? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

First of all, all humans have both types of fibers in their bodies. Fast twitch fibers are useful for one type of movements, slow twitch for others. To think that Williams doesn't have fast twitch muscle fibers is like saying "Ive never seen him breathe, so clearly he doesn't have lungs"

Second of all, while it may be true that certain individuals develop different fibers to different extents, to be able to "Scientifically conclude" that "you either have it or you don't" by watching 1 game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 1 GAME.

Did he do extensive muscle testing on Williams and the other "fast twitch" guys to cmpare them? Nope. Has he compiled detailed breakdowns of every play Williams has played in, analyzing his net reaction time? Nope. All he did was watch ONE PLAY, where Williams GOT FAKED out by McNabb. It wasn't that he was too slow to react to Westbrook, it was that he was playing like a ROOKIE and got caught on the fake inside. He bit inside, and by the time he realized Westbrook was running outside, was already way behind. OF COURSE he couldn't catch up.

I would love to meet this guy. I'd tell him that "reporting skills" are something that "you either have or you don't." The greats all have it, and I"m afraid that you simply don't.

True...we all have both fast twitch and slow twitch. Some have stronger fast twitch fibers and some have stronger slow twitch fibers. It depends on how you train but that is a whole other topic of discussion. I think maybe...just maybe the point this gentlemen was trying to get across is that Mario is not fast off the snap, which could be possibly true. If my understanding is correct though about fibers, slow twitch are used for strength and endurance and fast twitch are used for speed and quickness. Anyhow this guys theory just doesn't hold water. I want Brian Baldinger to print a hard copy out of what he wrote and I will apply the Texan Hot sauce so he can eat them at the end of the season.

gooneybird
09-16-2006, 12:52 PM
I wonder if Elvin Bethea was a Fast-Twitch guy?

I would be happy if Mario has a career as good or better than Elvin did!

None of the coaches have said anything to this effect, but I have been wondering lately " if the coaches are moving Mario around on the line to put him into new learning experiences, so Coach Karm can show him how to handle the various looks and techniques he gets from different offensive linemen." Maybe we won't see the REAL Mario until later in this season.

Just a thought!

HJam72
09-16-2006, 01:18 PM
You see being positive wont bring you ratings. Hate always brings you ratings. Then you say little positive things to keep people happy. It has been proven especially on this board. People would post hateful remarks and people will respond to them. Just dont listen to them.

In that case, I hate you, you stink, and your mother (OK, I'll stop there), but that was a nice post. :ok:

Grid
09-16-2006, 01:34 PM
Ill compare Mario to Peppers once again and say that Peppers is not one of the leading rushers in the league..but he IS up there. What Peppers does do is make a difference on his defense. He may only be in the top 10-15 in rushing, but he also ties up blockers, forces fumbles, bats down passes, stuffs the run...etc..etc..etc..

We arent looking for a pass rush specialist..we are looking for the total package. In a sense.. we WANT Mario to be a jack of all trades.. that is where he will excel.. but rather than being "good at some, great at none".. we want him to be "great at some, 'omg no way' at none"

TEXANS84
09-16-2006, 01:43 PM
Why do we keep bringing depressing posts to the boards. Do we all like this verbal punishment this much?

Lets let the guy play a full season before we start hounding him and picking him apart, and that especially goes for the "Bush press" and ESPN25.

wolf123
09-16-2006, 02:37 PM
Hahahahahahaha (I'm continuing to laugh inside my head :)) This has got to be the MOST rediculous article I've ever read. This guy was an offensive lineman, and now he thinks he's a muscle scientist? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

First of all, all humans have both types of fibers in their bodies. Fast twitch fibers are useful for one type of movements, slow twitch for others. To think that Williams doesn't have fast twitch muscle fibers is like saying "Ive never seen him breathe, so clearly he doesn't have lungs"

Second of all, while it may be true that certain individuals develop different fibers to different extents, to be able to "Scientifically conclude" that "you either have it or you don't" by watching 1 game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 1 GAME.

Did he do extensive muscle testing on Williams and the other "fast twitch" guys to cmpare them? Nope. Has he compiled detailed breakdowns of every play Williams has played in, analyzing his net reaction time? Nope. All he did was watch ONE PLAY, where Williams GOT FAKED out by McNabb. It wasn't that he was too slow to react to Westbrook, it was that he was playing like a ROOKIE and got caught on the fake inside. He bit inside, and by the time he realized Westbrook was running outside, was already way behind. OF COURSE he couldn't catch up.

I would love to meet this guy. I'd tell him that "reporting skills" are something that "you either have or you don't." The greats all have it, and I"m afraid that you simply don't.

You are exactly right. When I read the article, I couldn't stop laughing at his claims. First, there are 3 MAIN(Type I(slow), Type IIa(fast), Type IIx(fast)) muscle types in the body reqarding skeletal muscles with at least 30 or so hybrids. This kid don't know what he's talking about. I'm pretty sure Mario didn't give him any muscle biopsies to study. Just so you know Type IIa and Type IIx fibers are both fast twitch fibers. You can think of them as two ends of a continuum, IIa being slower than IIx. Now muscle fibers can fall anywhere along that continuum. If a certain muscle is a IIa fiber, it can be trained to become more IIx like, improving its velocity of contraction. The fact is, Mario may need to condentrate on power training in order to train his IIa fibers(moderate fibers) to skew towards IIx fibers(fast-fast fibers). His claim is outrageous, especially after only seeing one game to base his claims. Take this article with a grain of salt.

Lets go Mario:superman:

TEXANRED
09-16-2006, 02:42 PM
I think David Carr should send Mario a really nice gift for taking the heat off of him.

So instead of I hate Carr threads we get I hate Mario threads. Sweet.

Anyone else see the irony? The first pick we take a QB and some thought it should have been Peppers, this time we take a DE (compared to Peppers) and pass on the QB.

You just can't please people.

Thats why I gave up trying.

Hookem Horns
09-16-2006, 03:03 PM
I think David Carr should send Mario a really nice gift for taking the heat off of him.

So instead of I hate Carr threads we get I hate Mario threads. Sweet.

Anyone else see the irony? The first pick we take a QB and some thought it should have been Peppers, this time we take a DE (compared to Peppers) and pass on the QB.

You just can't please people.

Thats why I gave up trying.

Hind sight is 20/20. We could have drafted Peppers with our first ever pick and Leinhart or Young with this #1 pick. Would you rather have Peppers/Leinhart or Young or Williams/Carr? Of course who knows, if we would have drafted Peppers with our first ever pick we might not have had the #1 pick last season. We could have been worse off early on and had Peppers/Eli Manning or Peppers/Carson Palmer.

Dr. Toro
09-16-2006, 03:07 PM
I think David Carr should send Mario a really nice gift for taking the heat off of him.

So instead of I hate Carr threads we get I hate Mario threads. Sweet.

Anyone else see the irony? The first pick we take a QB and some thought it should have been Peppers, this time we take a DE (compared to Peppers) and pass on the QB.

You just can't please people.

Thats why I gave up trying.

I don't think anyone has said anything negative about Mario in this thread. I posted the link because it was ridiculous and extremely poorly thought out, a refelection of much of the criticism the Texans and Williams have gotten after one stinking game.

You are right that the Williams pick has taken the heat off of Carr though... and everybody thought Bush would make Carr's life so much easier.

TEXANRED
09-16-2006, 03:15 PM
I don't think anyone has said anything negative about Mario in this thread. I posted the link because it was ridiculous and extremely poorly thought out, a refelection of much of the criticism the Texans and Williams have gotten after one stinking game.

You are right that the Williams pick has taken the heat off of Carr though... and everybody thought Bush would make Carr's life so much easier.
I wasn't saying anything toward you. Just thinking out loud. I had that thought a bit ago but it didn't bar starting a thread about it.

Dr. Toro
09-16-2006, 03:36 PM
I wasn't saying anything toward you. Just thinking out loud. I had that thought a bit ago but it didn't bar starting a thread about it.

Well, this will probably be the last time I complain about media stupidity in a thread, because it's not going to stop, and it will only get worse. Once retired offensive lineman start offering anatomical expertise about muscle fiber, you know the train is off the rails. No matter how good Williams does, no matter how well the team plays, the media will tear apart Houston as long as Bush makes Sportscenter every weekend. I hope it motivates Mario, and I hope the organization and fans rally around the criticism.

We'll know if the Texans made the playoffs 3 times in the next 5 years that Mario was a good pick... but it's not going to stop from the media unless Bush makes like Enis or Warrick. After that, if VY is tearing the league up, we'll still hear the Bowie/Jordan stuff. Maybe... maybe... if Houston wins a Super Bowl or Mario makes it to 5 straight Pro-Bowls, the media will relent.

Does the NFL Network offer more even coverage and less ESPN screaming moron analysis? Might have to pick that up so I don't throw my TV out the window on Sunday nights.