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AlbinoRat
09-13-2006, 09:35 PM
I everybodys opinion, when did we make our biggest mistake.

My opinion is the expansion draft.
James Allen, Tony Boselli, MATT STEVENS enough said

We passed on some major guys too. Casserly said no one over thirty, so we passed on a lot of talented offensive lineman and linebackers. we could have loaded that team.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-13-2006, 09:40 PM
Wasting a 2nd round pick on Tony Hollings.

Grid
09-13-2006, 09:42 PM
biggest mistake was Babin IMO.

dont get me wrong, I like Babin and im glad we have him.. but the price was too high for what we got. There were a lot of good players taken in the second and third round of the 2004 draft.

Second biggest would be letting Aaron Glenn go. He hasnt done a whole lot with Dallas.. but he did do a whole lot here in our System. The year we let him go..he DID look like he had lost a step.. but Dunta looked great across from Glenn, and we had a very effective secondary. I dont regret getting Buchanan.. but id rather have kept them both.

Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

4th would be focusing on skill positions in the draft, rather than olinemen and dlinemen. Nevermind..this one is #1..move the others down a notch.

5th was Vic Fangio.

Texans_Chick
09-13-2006, 09:44 PM
Bygones. No interest in. But as a matter of historical horror....

Who did we pass up who was a can't miss?

Boselli passes the physical, Roaf does not. Interesting alternative universe if the reverse hold true.

The problem with the expansion draft is by the time the Texans became a franchise, teams had figured out the salary cap. So most of the players exposed were guys that weren't worth the salary they were getting. If we wanted to get better quality guys, we had to take salary dump guys too (which was a part of the Boselli deal, BTW).

Out of all the recent expansion franchises, the Texans got the worst deal.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-13-2006, 09:45 PM
biggest mistake was Babin IMO.

dont get me wrong, I like Babin and im glad we have him.. but the price was too high for what we got. There were a lot of good players taken in the second and third round of the 2004 draft.

Second biggest would be letting Aaron Glenn go. He hasnt done a whole lot with Dallas.. but he did do a whole lot here in our System. The year we let him go..he DID look like he had lost a step.. but Dunta looked great across from Glenn, and we had a very effective secondary. I dont regret getting Buchanan.. but id rather have kept them both.

Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

4th would be focusing on skill positions in the draft, rather than olinemen and dlinemen. Nevermind..this one is #1..move the others down a notch.

5th was Vic Fangio.


:redtowel: DITTO :redtowel:

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-13-2006, 09:56 PM
Don't forget, most importantly, these were the Dum Capers and Charlie Casserly days with his glasses sitting sideways on his face and fogged up.....saying we need to execute some more........ every sunday night on CH. 13........Jermaine Lewis what happend to him. The Texans 2002 yearbook states one of the most electrifying return men in the game..........what were they drinking:shots: when they wrote that..... I did like Jamie Sharper, I believe he was a true veteran like A. Glen that provided somekind of foundation for the Texans.........but who know's idonno:

mexican_texan
09-13-2006, 10:01 PM
biggest mistake was Babin IMO.

dont get me wrong, I like Babin and im glad we have him.. but the price was too high for what we got. There were a lot of good players taken in the second and third round of the 2004 draft.

Second biggest would be letting Aaron Glenn go. He hasnt done a whole lot with Dallas.. but he did do a whole lot here in our System. The year we let him go..he DID look like he had lost a step.. but Dunta looked great across from Glenn, and we had a very effective secondary. I dont regret getting Buchanan.. but id rather have kept them both.

Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

4th would be focusing on skill positions in the draft, rather than olinemen and dlinemen. Nevermind..this one is #1..move the others down a notch.

5th was Vic Fangio.
I'd replace Babin with Hollings, but agree with the list for the most part. I like Babin and what he's done. Well worth the deal, IMO. It may not have been a great deal, but the guys we could've picked up instead would mean that we kept Capers and Kubiak would have signed with the Raiders or Green Bay.

GP
09-13-2006, 10:20 PM
Bygones. No interest in. But as a matter of historical horror....

Who did we pass up who was a can't miss?

Boselli passes the physical, Roaf does not. Interesting alternative universe if the reverse hold true.

The problem with the expansion draft is by the time the Texans became a franchise, teams had figured out the salary cap. So most of the players exposed were guys that weren't worth the salary they were getting. If we wanted to get better quality guys, we had to take salary dump guys too (which was a part of the Boselli deal, BTW).

Out of all the recent expansion franchises, the Texans got the worst deal.

Yeah, Boselli passed the same "physical" that Gado is getting: Free and clear, you're rrrrrready to play, Samkon!

We had to take Boselli and his salary to get Payne and Walker. Man, those Jags owe us big time.

We are the freaking floormat of the NFL: Hey, need to rid yourself of some big cap hits...or perhaps you have an injured and aging veteran to quietly ship off your team? Look no further: The Texans are taking all applications (You CANNOT be turned down!), with our special team of physicians to administer that necessary "physical" to get the trade pushed through for good.

We don't need Reggie Bush. We've got tons of running backs coming through our doors every day! :brickwall

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-13-2006, 10:32 PM
Yeah, Boselli passed the same "physical" that Gado is getting: Free and clear, you're rrrrrready to play, Samkon!

We had to take Boselli and his salary to get Payne and Walker. Man, those Jags owe us big time.

We are the freaking floormat of the NFL: Hey, need to rid yourself of some big cap hits...or perhaps you have an injured and aging veteran to quietly ship off your team? Look no further: The Texans are taking all applications (You CANNOT be turned down!), with our special team of physicians to administer that necessary "physical" to get the trade pushed through for good.

We don't need Reggie Bush. We've got tons of running backs coming through our doors every day! :brickwall

Stop your killing me my ribs are hurting bad from laughing.....I love the way you put it though..........Honey time to buy a new doormat for the front of the house.........have some new players coming over for dinner tonight...

powerfuldragon
09-13-2006, 10:37 PM
Dom Capers.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Dom Capers.


Speaking of Dom what is he up to now a days? Anyone know?


I was thinking more along these lines.....:party:

powerfuldragon
09-13-2006, 10:42 PM
On January 23, 2006, the Miami Dolphins announced the hiring of Dom Capers as the team's defensive coordinator. There, he will also serve as assistant head coach under Nick Saban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Capers

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-13-2006, 10:45 PM
Thanks for the quick info Dragon..........:ok:

TexanSam
09-13-2006, 11:06 PM
Drafting Jabar Gaffney. That wasn't the worst personnal move, but the very next pick, the Broncos selected Clinton Portis...

AlbinoRat
09-13-2006, 11:07 PM
but we had james allen remember. seems like dude only 5 snaps before he was done

TexanSam
09-13-2006, 11:10 PM
but we had james allen remember. seems like dude only 5 snaps before he was done

Didn't he leave to persue a singing career or something?

dirty steve
09-13-2006, 11:16 PM
Drafting Jabar Gaffney. That wasn't the worst personnal move, but the very next pick, the Broncos selected Clinton Portis...
why don't you get your facts straight before you bring up that played out fact up AGAIN. it went pitts, then portis with next pick in the middle of the second. thanks for bringing that up. so what o-line was portis going to run behind again?

TexansBull
09-13-2006, 11:20 PM
1. hiring casserly
2. who hired dom
3. who mad this team into "doormat of the nfl" because all the chances we got in the nfl drafts have been wasted on players that cant cut it so we take other teams scrubs over our own
4. who let go jamie sharper and aaron glenn
5. who makes me read a lot of nonsense on this message board

vtech9
09-13-2006, 11:31 PM
P. Buch for our 2nd and 3rd round picks

hot pickle
09-13-2006, 11:32 PM
i wasnt a football fan when the Houston Texans started so the worst move while i have been a fan, has been passing on Derrick Johnson

Grid
09-13-2006, 11:41 PM
i wasnt a football fan when the Houston Texans started so the worst move while i have been a fan, has been passing on Derrick Johnson

The way TJ has been looking so far.. he may prove that theory wrong by the end of the year.

Double Barrel
09-14-2006, 01:57 AM
Worst move yet?

Starting a rookie QB behind an untestested o-line on an expansion team.

200+ sacks in four seasons helps illustrate my point. :howdy:

Bsacamano
09-14-2006, 09:49 AM
1. Trading draft picks for Philip Buchanon
2. Trading draft picks for Jason Babin
3. Drafting Tony Hollings
4. Drafting Charles Hill
5. Signing Todd Wade to a big contract
6. Drafting Seth Wand
7. Drafting Bennie Joppru
8. Passing on Reggie Bush?

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-14-2006, 12:58 PM
Todd Wade........huge bust......should of stayed in Miami, another Capers, & Casserly pick.......

Xman
09-14-2006, 01:08 PM
1. Trading draft picks for Philip Buchanon
2. Trading draft picks for Jason Babin
3. Drafting Tony Hollings
4. Drafting Charles Hill
5. Signing Todd Wade to a big contract
6. Drafting Seth Wand
7. Drafting Bennie Joppru
8. Passing on Reggie Bush?

A pretty good list. I definitely agree the top 2 are the worst. The sad thing is a little film study would have eliminated the Buchanon trade (or most of the picks).
So many draft picks spent on guys not projected to go as high as we took them (Babin/Joppru/Hill/Wand/etc.)

I think I would also add:
signing Greenwood
drafting morency - again not ranked near that high
signing Robaire and Gary Walker to big contracts
sigining DD to a long big contract - i admit he was good but he IS a RB

Bsacamano
09-14-2006, 01:14 PM
We should DEFINATELY not have signed Gary Walker to a big contract, but DD deseved it at the time. Greenwood and Smith were decent signings, we just overpayed for them IMO

El Tejano
09-14-2006, 01:14 PM
I everybodys opinion, when did we make our biggest mistake.

My opinion is the expansion draft.
James Allen, Tony Boselli, MATT STEVENS enough said

We passed on some major guys too. Casserly said no one over thirty, so we passed on a lot of talented offensive lineman and linebackers. we could have loaded that team.
James "Mercellis" Allen was signed as a FA from Chicago. He was not in the expansion draft.

What about when they let Charlie Rogers go. He later went to Buffalo and barely missed the Pro Bowl because of Jerome Mathis. However, he ran alot of kicks back.

Our worse move in my opinion is letting go of Jamie Sharper. The day our defense died.

Bsacamano
09-14-2006, 01:16 PM
What everyone seems to forget about Boselli, is that his was a package deal. To get Payne and Walker, we had to take Boselli as well, otherwise Jacksonville would not have made them available

SESupergenius
09-14-2006, 01:36 PM
What everyone seems to forget about Boselli, is that his was a package deal. To get Payne and Walker, we had to take Boselli as well, otherwise Jacksonville would not have made them available
And that was a good thing somehow?? Either Payne, Boselli or Walker were going to be released, the Jags just didn't have the cap room. We would have ended up with at least 2 of those guys anyways.

The worst move is still hiring Casserly. (he hired Capers and drafted Carr for all of you in those boats)

dantem
09-14-2006, 01:58 PM
1) Putting in escallaters at the stadium then only allowing 10 people at a time to use them.
2) Puting a retractable roof on the stadium ...
3) playing prevent defense for the last 3 quarters of every game last season.
4) Making your #1 draft pick play 4 different positions on his first NFL start.

Heywood
09-14-2006, 02:01 PM
What everyone seems to forget about Boselli, is that his was a package deal. To get Payne and Walker, we had to take Boselli as well, otherwise Jacksonville would not have made them available

give it a rest. this is like the bobby abreu spin some hacks will still float out there. nobody knows who jacksonville would have left unprotected had they protected walker and payne, or even if they would have gone thru with their threat.

the worst move, bar none, was the carr extension. carr cannot play- he is genuinely not bright, among other detriments. it is inexcusable to me that the texans' football people are in such denial they can't see this.

i don't blame honest mistakes, like hiring casserly, drafting carr, etc. i don't like piling on these with denial.

Bsacamano
09-14-2006, 02:13 PM
Actually...the Jacksonville deal IS FACT

run-david-run
09-14-2006, 02:19 PM
why don't you get your facts straight before you bring up that played out fact up AGAIN. it went pitts, then portis with next pick in the middle of the second. thanks for bringing that up. so what o-line was portis going to run behind again?
LeCharles Bentley was in that same second round...Bentley and Portis or Bentley and Pitts would have us pretty set right now...sigh...

And with the Babin deal...what did the Titans get that made that so terrible? A middle of the road TE...

Hulk75
09-14-2006, 02:29 PM
Starting a rookie QB behind an untestested o-line on an expansion team.

200+ sacks in four seasons helps illustrate my point. :howdy:
Thoughest QB in the league if you ask me. All those hits and sacks and the guy still has a 102.1 qb rating against the Eagles, I am glad we started him for all those years you have to have a guy with tough skin and we do.

Worst move so far..................the only olineman we get last year Victor Rilley and we cut him half way through the season, most sacked QB in the league and we go after Victor Rilley our big FA pick up on the line.:francis:

David's Busted Carr
09-14-2006, 02:31 PM
Ummm, passing on Reggie Bush maybe?

Porky
09-14-2006, 03:47 PM
Worst mistake was make on April 29th, 2006 in NYC.

South Texan
09-14-2006, 04:39 PM
Maybe not the worst, but I sure would have enjoyed seeing Dunta, Glenn, and Sharper in the secondary for a few seasons.

buckaroo_banzai
09-14-2006, 04:52 PM
how about our starting rb in year 2.....
stacey mack?:confused:

outofhnd
09-14-2006, 04:57 PM
The worst move was the naming the team the texans...

If it wasnt for some stupid Hockey Franchise. This team should be the Houston Hurricanes.

:twocents:

cbnjwill
09-14-2006, 05:02 PM
anybody a little shocked that this franchise is only 5 yrs old and we can come up with so many bad moves. no one mentioned giving carr his bonus and keeping him around another mistake

AlbinoRat
09-14-2006, 05:06 PM
thats because he had a good game. if he doesn't throw for 200+ and 2TD's then we will have all sorts of things.

I'm suprised everyone got over Matt Stevens. Back in the old days of the board, all people could talk about was how much they hated him, i dont think he had a single supporter

BigDTexansFan
09-14-2006, 05:06 PM
hey Samkon, can you bring 2-3 eighteen wheelers FULL of Wisconsin cheese, we seem to be having a whinefest here in this thread.

OK it is 2006, that is the past or maybe some like to wallow in misery. if that is case please don't let me interrupt a pathetic and useless waste of time:brickwall

AlbinoRat
09-14-2006, 05:08 PM
hey Samkon, can you bring 2-3 eighteen wheelers FULL of Wisconsin cheese, we seem to be having a whinefest here in this thread.

OK it is 2006, that is the past or maybe some like to wallow in misery. if that is case please don't let me interrupt a pathetic and useless waste of time:brickwall

this thread is what is called a change of pace. i you dont like looking back and having a good laugh you dont have to buddy. if your content to talk about how mario sucks or how you think we'll beat indy this weekend go ahead. I'm listening.

RTP2110
09-14-2006, 05:08 PM
Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

Good point. That's one of the least talked about ''bad moves''.

Xman
09-14-2006, 05:13 PM
And with the Babin deal...what did the Titans get that made that so terrible? A middle of the road TE...

Titans got:
2nd round -Troupe (who would have been nice), but that could have been Julius Jones, Jake Grove (who would have looked real nice at C here), or Sanders ( a good SS)
3rd - Randy Starks - a quality starting DT
4th - Bo Schobel - which could have been Vasher (the stud CB we could use)

run-david-run
09-14-2006, 08:44 PM
Titans got:
2nd round -Troupe (who would have been nice), but that could have been Julius Jones, Jake Grove (who would have looked real nice at C here), or Sanders ( a good SS)
3rd - Randy Starks - a quality starting DT
4th - Bo Schobel - which could have been Vasher (the stud CB we could use)
Yeah, yeah, but I think that hardly qualifies as one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history (esspecially this franchise).
Also, it is CC we are talking about here, there is no saying what he would have done with those picks, but jugdeing by his history, I would say most would not be on the team right now...

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-15-2006, 02:12 AM
Everyone forgot to mention this one...............

Bob Mcnair hiring Dom Capers & Charlie Casserly.....:tease:

Xman
09-15-2006, 11:06 AM
Yeah, yeah, but I think that hardly qualifies as one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history (esspecially this franchise).
Also, it is CC we are talking about here, there is no saying what he would have done with those picks, but jugdeing by his history, I would say most would not be on the team right now...

I agree that Cass probably would not have made the right picks - but he might have got one right. Then we would have been ahead of where we are now.

I might be a little off on my percentages but Cass was the one who told us the statistics of how "80% of #1s make it as starters, 60% of #2s, 40% of #3s, and 20% of lower picks"
Cass did not come close to those odds - even figuring in his succes on #1s. But, his record is really worse, especially if you break it down even further because a top 10 pick in the first has to be around 90-95%.

But, while drafting Babin was a mistake, the bigger mistake was trading the picks when we were still building. That is one reason I am not flaming him about trading down instead of taking DJohnson. We need more players that we draft in the first 3 rounds. By the numbers, we should be getting starters and quality backups in those rounds, which we will have to have to succeed. So, trading down works, but not if you can't make a decent pick afterwards (the jury is still out on Travis, but I would have traded down again).

BigBull17
09-15-2006, 11:56 AM
Ummm, passing on Reggie Bush maybe?

Sorry, but for now thats not even on the list. Maybe in a few years you could say that, but wait till RB plays at least 1 full season befor you put him in Canton. I would say the worst move in history neglecting the O line for sooooo long. If they had taken care of the oline, we wouldnt have been in position to draft Bush.

:shoot:

swtbound07
09-15-2006, 12:21 PM
drafting David Carr. IRREGARDLESS of his performance, you have to build your teams in the trenches. Even assuming that Boselli was going to play, you take peppers there. No lines=No wins. Its just bad football philosophy

Mr. White
09-15-2006, 12:26 PM
Gotta think it was letting Aaron Glenn and Jamie Sharper go a couple of years ago. The defense wasn't the same after that.

***edit***

Even worse...hiring Dom Capers as head coach.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-15-2006, 01:59 PM
Drafting Jabar Gaffney. That wasn't the worst personnal move, but the very next pick, the Broncos selected Clinton Portis...

Not to get off topic, anyone know if another team picked up Gaffney after Philly dumped him ?

wags
09-15-2006, 02:07 PM
Drafting Jabar Gaffney. That wasn't the worst personnal move, but the very next pick, the Broncos selected Clinton Portis...

Portis was picked right after we drafted Pitts, not Gaffney!

pancho
09-15-2006, 02:39 PM
Getting rid of the heart and soul of the defense, Jamie Sharper.

HOU-TEX
09-15-2006, 02:42 PM
Getting rid of the heart and soul of the defense, Jamie Sharper.

We now have a new Heart and soul of the D. Jamie was good, but now we have DeMeco Ryans.:redtowel:

NoBullTexan
09-15-2006, 02:55 PM
And the winner is: Bob McNair. He was a rookie owner in a shark infested league. So he asked some of his fellow owners for advise and they said the best available G.M. was Charlie Cass. And the best H.C. available was - Dum Capers! McNair knowing no better took their advice.

Looking back, you had to start somewhere. So who we picked, and who we got, wasn't too bad. They went 4-12 their first year with a five year plan. The problem began when Capers and Cass decided the pressure to win (not from McNair), was getting intense, so they forfeited almost a whole draft on Babin, and it was downhill from there.

gjmac2
09-15-2006, 03:42 PM
And the winner is: Bob McNair. He was a rookie owner in a shark infested league. So he asked some of his fellow owners for advise and they said the best available G.M. was Charlie Cass. And the best H.C. available was - Dum Capers! McNair knowing no better took their advice.

Looking back, you had to start somewhere. So who we picked, and who we got, wasn't too bad. They went 4-12 their first year with a five year plan. The problem began when Capers and Cass decided the pressure to win (not from McNair), was getting intense, so they forfeited almost a whole draft on Babin, and it was downhill from there.

Bob McNair went with experience in hiring Casserly and Capers. By his own admission, Kubiak wasn't ready to be a head coach in 2002.

I think it's really unfair to say Bob McNair made the biggest mistake. If I'm not mistaken, Casserly was a candiate for several GM jobs, including the Saints, when he was fired from the Redskins. I don't remember anyone coming out saying that Casserly was a garbage hire, that hiring Dom Capers or Chris Palmer were mistakes.

I can just imagine the reaction of some of you people if the Texans would have announced as their first GM an unknown named Rick Smith.

BTW, the Texans did interview Kubiak the first time. He simply was not prepared to be a head coach at that time.