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Blake
09-11-2006, 01:23 PM
As the poster who shares his name, I think I need to step in and make a positive comment about our newest #1 draft pick.

While I hear the grumblings of Fan A, and Fan B, I also realize that this is week one of 16. I will be the first to agree with you that Mario was a non factor in yesterdays game. I will be the first to agree that he needs to step it up. But lets keep in mind that this is his first full 60 minute NFL game. Lets keep in mind that the learning curve for a DE is more dificult than a RB. Lets keep in mind that as long as he works his ass off to get better (which he is) he deserves a chance to redeem himself. A chance to show the fans why he was taken ahead of the big 2.

Give the guy a chance. Its week 1.

:twocents:

Hulk75
09-11-2006, 01:24 PM
He will be fine, just has to react faster, that will come.

real
09-11-2006, 01:28 PM
The Texans orginization could feed some of us water and make us believe it's ice cream....

LORK 88
09-11-2006, 01:29 PM
Heaven forbid a rookie doesnt play like an all pro week 1 . . .

Texans86
09-11-2006, 01:34 PM
To me it looked like he was thinking extremely hard about what he was doing most of the game. That will always slow a player down. Once he gets completely up to speed and on top of things, I expect him to be much better. One week down, only sixteen left. Dang

Texas
09-11-2006, 01:36 PM
I agree its week one...relax things will get better!

Bsacamano
09-11-2006, 01:37 PM
As the poster who shares his name, I think I need to step in and make a positive comment about our newest #1 draft pick.

While I hear the grumblings of Fan A, and Fan B, I also realize that this is week one of 16. I will be the first to agree with you that Mario was a non factor in yesterdays game. I will be the first to agree that he needs to step it up. But lets keep in mind that this is his first full 60 minute NFL game. Lets keep in mind that the learning curve for a DE is more dificult than a RB. Lets keep in mind that as long as he works his ass off to get better (which he is) he deserves a chance to redeem himself. A chance to show the fans why he was taken ahead of the big 2.

Give the guy a chance. Its week 1.

:twocents:

Fair Enough.....It's probably unfair that he is facing this much criticism so early in his career. I think the reason is that we made such a controversial decision in drafting him over Bush, that folks wanted and needed to see something from him early. The fact that we haven't is a real bummer

real
09-11-2006, 01:37 PM
Heaven forbid a rookie doesnt play like an all pro week 1 . . .

He's not just any rookie...That exscuse would work for Spencer, Winston..yada yada...Mario was the first pick of the draft...He is not and should not be evaluated on the same level as every other rookie....

Heaven forbid the first pick of the draft doesn't show any signs of life...

Texans86
09-11-2006, 01:41 PM
Talk to Alex Smith about being the first pick in the draft. He was the worst NFL quarterback last year. Only one touchdown pass all season. Yesterday he actually came to life and started to look like an NFL quarterback. These things take time.

Mr. White
09-11-2006, 01:41 PM
He's not just any rookie...That exscuse would work for Spencer, Winston..yada yada...Mario was the first pick of the draft...He is not and should not be evaluated on the same level as every other rookie....

Heaven forbid the first pick of the draft doesn't show any signs of life...

Translation: He's not Reggie Bush

real
09-11-2006, 01:43 PM
Talk to Alex Smith about being the first pick in the draft. He was the worst NFL quarterback last year. Only one touchdown pass all season. Yesterday he actually came to life and started to look like an NFL quarterback. These things take time.

So the learning curve for a QB and DE are the same now...Alex smith made a lot of mental errors during his 1st year...I expect the same from Mario...But All we've heard about is his physical tools and I have yet to see it translate on the field.....

Vinny
09-11-2006, 01:45 PM
As the poster who shares his name, I think I need to step in and make a positive comment about our newest #1 draft pick.

I thought you should have kept your old name Blake...you had an identy here then...nobody knows who you are now.

real
09-11-2006, 01:47 PM
Translation: He's not Reggie Bush

Im not sure what you meant by that...but no he isn't Reggie Bush...Reggie Bush was the best player in that draft....I still believe that Mario will help our team more in the long run...atleast that is what I am hoping...

Blake
09-11-2006, 01:59 PM
He's not just any rookie...That exscuse would work for Spencer, Winston..yada yada...Mario was the first pick of the draft...He is not and should not be evaluated on the same level as every other rookie....

You act like every #1 overall draft pick but Williams has had a stellar first year. There is a reason the Texans got the first pick. They are a project just like Williams.

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
09-11-2006, 02:03 PM
The Texans orginization could feed some of us water and make us believe it's ice cream....

I like cookies and cream.

real
09-11-2006, 02:10 PM
You act like every #1 overall draft pick but Williams has had a stellar first year. There is a reason the Texans got the first pick. They are a project just like Williams.

oh so we took a project with the first overall pick...don't make me laugh...

And you don't seem to get it...He is a human just like the rest of the players...but he was drafted #1 sorta like that david guy...He will always be subject to mass scrutiny just because of how he came into the leauge...He sucked yesterday and did not show much to be excited about...Don't be so naive and assume Mario will be a beast because Kubiak and CO. told you so....I'm not saying Mario isn't going to be everything that he's hyped to be...Do I think He will at any point be better than Bush ? Heck no...But I do think that He will bring more success to our team by strenghthening our weak defense...Whether not he was worthy of being taken #1...that remains to be seen...

powerfuldragon
09-11-2006, 02:13 PM
Bounce back? he hasn't been anywhere to bounce back to.

all that aside, we've gotta give him at least a year to develop.

DBCooper
09-11-2006, 02:14 PM
When Mario starts breaking some O-line fingers to shed some of those holds, he'll be on his way.

Blake
09-11-2006, 02:14 PM
I thought you should have kept your old name Blake...you had an identy here then...nobody knows who you are now.

I understand your point, but my old username(at that time) meant something to me. Now-a-days it means nothing, so I figured now would be the best time for a change up. Kind of like how I thought this year would have been the best time to get a new QB. But thats in the past...

Vinny
09-11-2006, 02:16 PM
I understand your point, but my old username(at that time) meant something to me. Now-a-days it means nothing, so I figured now would be the best time for a change up. Kind of like how I thought this year would have been the best time to get a new QB. But thats in the past...i understand...I just thought that you were a solid poster with a good history and some of our casual fans may not connect you with your earlier screen name.

LORK 88
09-11-2006, 02:17 PM
He's not just any rookie...That exscuse would work for Spencer, Winston..yada yada...Mario was the first pick of the draft...He is not and should not be evaluated on the same level as every other rookie....

Heaven forbid the first pick of the draft doesn't show any signs of life...
Regardless of where he was taken, a rookie is still a rookie. Youve got to realize that this is game 1 of 16. Ill be honest, i expect A LOT more out of him, but this is a marathon not a sprint. Give him time, lets all move our hand away from the great big red panic button, and be patient!! Its not like we played the Titans or Jets too, Phillys O Line is good . . .

real
09-11-2006, 02:18 PM
My question is: Did you expect Mario To suck? Did you expect him to do what he did ? if so then I understand why you all take the stance that you do...I didn't expect Mario to totally dominate, but I also didn't expect him to be totally dominated...

real
09-11-2006, 02:20 PM
Regardless of where he was taken, a rookie is still a rookie. . . .

So Mario should be judged the same as the last pick of the draft ? :ok:

SESupergenius
09-11-2006, 02:23 PM
I just don't like the fact that he switches around so much and can't get into a groove. The fact is, he's still a rookie and needs time to get adjusted. I think we are prolonging that adjustment when he has to switch around so much. I'd like to see him be the next Strahan, but he won't do that by switching around so much. Yesterday he looked winded and overpowered.

Mr. White
09-11-2006, 02:32 PM
I just don't like the fact that he switches around so much and can't get into a groove. The fact is, he's still a rookie and needs time to get adjusted. I think we are prolonging that adjustment when he has to switch around so much. I'd like to see him be the next Strahan, but he won't do that by switching around so much. Yesterday he looked winded and overpowered.

I agree. I'd rather see him really catch on at DE and then move around.

Double Barrel
09-11-2006, 02:32 PM
I just don't like the fact that he switches around so much and can't get into a groove.

I agree. I read a quote of his today that said he played nose tackle for at least half the plays.

Now I'm not a coach (nor do I play one on TV), but that just doesn't seem like the best way for him to learn the position of defensive end. :um:

real
09-11-2006, 02:34 PM
If Mario doesn't switch around Peek and Babin don't see the field as much...Pick your poison...

LORK 88
09-11-2006, 02:49 PM
So Mario should be judged the same as the last pick of the draft ? :ok:
Ok please quit twisting my words or deviating from the point im trying to make. Maybe I expect him to play like a rookie because thats what he is which is the point i was trying to make before you took it out of proportion. Rookies make rookie mistakes which is why i think Mario got caught out of position several times. Was he overpowered or simply not talented enough to do anything? No, he got double teamed (not using this as an excuse) and wasnt in a position to make plays. He's got potential and thats what matters at this point. In the near future however, he will need to perform to the high standards fans have for him, but until then its a learning experience. Obviously, you hold the first and last picks in different regards, but did you honestly think he'd be all pro week 1?

real
09-11-2006, 02:59 PM
Ok please quit twisting my words or deviating from the point im trying to make. Maybe I expect him to play like a rookie because thats what he is which is the point i was trying to make before you took it out of proportion. Rookies make rookie mistakes which is why i think Mario got caught out of position several times. Was he overpowered or simply not talented enough to do anything? No, he got double teamed (not using this as an excuse) and wasnt in a position to make plays. He's got potential and thats what matters at this point. In the near future however, he will need to perform to the high standards fans have for him, but until then its a learning experience. Obviously, you hold the first and last picks in different regards, but did you honestly think he'd be all pro week 1?

LMAO...What is "playing like a rookie" ??? Did Big Ben "play like a rookie" ? Does D.Carr play like a rookie ? What about Brett Favre ??? Brett Sucked opening weekend....Don't keep repeating things as if they are fact...the old "he was double teamed" exscuse doesn't work anymore...Why ? Because he wasn't doubled that often if any at all....No i didn't think he'd play like an all pro...but I thought he'd atleast play....Did you think he would suck ? or play as badly as he did ? No one is twisting your words around...you said he is a rookie and he played like it....ok....what does that mean ? What do rookies play like ? You can't tell me what rookies play like because some play well from jump street, and some don't....Mario happens to fall into the category of the ones who don't play well off jump...Does that mean he will suck forever??? I don't know...But he sucked this past Sunday and no exscuse in the world can cover that up....

JDizzle
09-11-2006, 03:08 PM
I just don't like the fact that he switches around so much and can't get into a groove. The fact is, he's still a rookie and needs time to get adjusted. I think we are prolonging that adjustment when he has to switch around so much. I'd like to see him be the next Strahan, but he won't do that by switching around so much. Yesterday he looked winded and overpowered.

I agree and felt the same way before the game. Bob or Keith at HPF suggested that they save the experimenting for year 2, which makes more sense than asking a rookie to learn 2 positions on the DL. Hopefully one of those clowns on 610 will pester Koobz about it on his radio show later today, because now I wonder if they'll keep trying it given that it worked out poorly against Philly.

LORK 88
09-11-2006, 03:13 PM
LMAO...What is "playing like a rookie" ??? Did Big Ben "play like a rookie" ? Does D.Carr play like a rookie ? What about Brett Favre ??? Brett Sucked opening weekend....Don't keep repeating things as if they are fact...
Are you that oblivious to what a rookie is? Mario looked out of position, made mistakes, but showed potential aka a rookie . . . which he is.

the old "he was double teamed" exscuse doesn't work anymore...Why ? Because he wasn't doubled that often if any at all....
if you read what i said after he gets double teamed, I said Im not using this as an excuse!!! It happens to everyone, hes got to learn how to deal with it.

No i didn't think he'd play like an all pro...but I thought he'd atleast play....Did you think he would suck ? or play as badly as he did ? No one is twisting your words around...you said he is a rookie and he played like it....ok....what does that mean ? What do rookies play like ?
See above

You can't tell me what rookies play like because some play well from jump street, and some don't....Mario happens to fall into the category of the ones who don't play well off jump...Does that mean he will suck forever??? I don't know...But he sucked this past Sunday and no exscuse in the world can cover that up....
Im not trying to make excuses for Mario, im trying to defend him before your crucify him and burn him at the stake for not meeting your personal expectations the 1st game of his career. Did he play bad? Hell yes, youd have to be an idiot to not have seen that. Can he build from this and improve? Yes, which is the most important thing about this loss, that we move on and improve upon it.

texansfaninla
09-11-2006, 03:15 PM
Can't compare Mario to Alex Smith because last year's draft sucked in terms of talent. This year there was a CLEAR top talent - and it sure as hell wasn't Mario Williams. You think there wouldn't be a lot of talk nationally about SF this year if Bush had been available and the Niners still took Alex Smith? Hell yes there would.

Mario gets the scrutiny unlike other draft choices not just because he was the No. 1 overall pick, but because he was taken AHEAD of the No. 1 overall TALENT.

Like it or don't like it, learn to love it - Bush should have been the pick, and Mario is on his way to BUST.

prostock101
09-11-2006, 03:18 PM
1. I still believe that Mario is still a project but the entire D line looked confused most of the time and never seemed to figure out if they were pass rushing or looking for the running back. Mario got stood up most of the time and I never saw him use a spin or swim move or anything to try disengage himself from the lineman. Why don't they take him out of the 3point stance, stand him up and let him get after someone?

HomeBred_Texan
09-11-2006, 03:27 PM
I should stay out of this one but I can't. What I saw on the field of Mario wasn't too super. He stood around allot DURING the plays. He wasn't double teamed that much and should have done more things differently.

But 1 thing I did see is just not right... I do not agree with who ever decided to move him around on the DL. That just isn't right. He needs to play 1 position right now and learn it. Then move him around if needed. I don't care if keeping him at DE cuts some other players time out. We are talking about the number 1 pick overall in a very deep draft.

I never said he has to get 3 sacks a game, but I do want to see him at least grab the jersey of the opposing QB once.... Heck I would have been happy if he just hit McNabb after the play and drew a flag. Anything right now is something....

But that is just my :twocents: I am willing to give him till the cows come home to see something. But this loss was not all his fault for sure....

real
09-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Are you that oblivious to what a rookie is? Mario looked out of position, made mistakes, but showed potential aka a rookie . . . which he is.

Showed Potential? where ? when? There is a difference between looking like a rookie and playing bad...He was an absolute non-factor...


if you read what i said after he gets double teamed, I said Im not using this as an excuse!!! It happens to everyone, hes got to learn how to deal with it.

But My point is....He wasn't Doubled that often so you couldn't use it as an exscuse even if you wanted to...




Im not trying to make excuses for Mario, im trying to defend him before your crucify him and burn him at the stake for not meeting your personal expectations the 1st game of his career. Did he play bad? Hell yes, youd have to be an idiot to not have seen that. Can he build from this and improve? Yes, which is the most important thing about this loss, that we move on and improve upon it.

I'm glad you anknowledge he played bad....I am sorry that you can't see that Mario needs dramatic improvement to justify his pick status...I know he is a rookie and will make mental errors...BUT HE WAS PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY overmatched...It's cool if he makes the wrong read, or thinks it's a run and it's pass...but it is not ok to get no penetration no matter where he lined up at....Can I atleast see Mario touch a QB?? He didn't even get close enough to know what cologne McNabb was wearing....again I ask: Showed signs ? when? Warm-ups ?

eric138
09-11-2006, 03:40 PM
It really isn't fair trying to compare Mario and Bush because they hold two totally different positions. Bush plays positions that easily bring a spot light to him when he merely touches the ball. Williams doesn't, he would have to continuously hound the QB to get the spotlight.

Also, if you are to compare the two look at the teams they were competing against. Cleveland's Defense and Phili's Offense. These two are not even close to being comparable. Unfortunately we are going to have to deal with the wonderful Bush until Oct when he nails that Phili brick wall and gets shut down. And later that month when Mario is cramming nailless toes down the QB of the down in Tennessee we will then see that Mario wasn't a bad pick at all.

One last thing, While Mario is building his NFL skills at all four positions on the line this year and even more next, Bush will be jumping and juking like a rabbit tearing up them knees. So four years from now when the Saints have that extra 4800 yards in their past and Bush is so worn out that he is retired who will be the right choice then? That's right Mario the super stud going for another 6 or more years, along side Demeco Ryans destroying any offensive scheme brought to them.

real
09-11-2006, 03:46 PM
It really isn't fair trying to compare Mario and Bush because they hold two totally different positions. Bush plays positions that easily bring a spot light to him when he merely touches the ball. Williams doesn't, he would have to continuously hound the QB to get the spotlight.


No he wouldn't....People aren't Dumb...We don't expect unrealistic numbers from Mario...You can compare the two...Bush had a bigger impact in the game he played...period...thats a comparison...

150 All purpose>3 tackles...all...day...long

SESupergenius
09-11-2006, 03:46 PM
If Mario doesn't switch around Peek and Babin don't see the field as much...Pick your poison...
I'd take consistancy over trying to make sure everyone gets PT anyday.

real
09-11-2006, 03:49 PM
I'd take consistancy over trying to make sure everyone gets PT anyday.

Peek and Babin are our best Pass rushers...Maybe you missed the point...Mario, so far, sucks at pass rushing...Are we trying to win games or develop players ? Kubiak touched on this and he said moving Mario around may be hurting his progress, he doesn't know...But he said he is going to put players in the best position to help us win...And that means moving Mario inside occasionally so we can get our best pressure DE's on the field...Right now it's either move inside or take him off the field...which would you rather have ?

TheOgre
09-11-2006, 03:53 PM
The Texans orginization could feed some of us water and make us believe it's ice cream....

The toilet water at Reliant sure does remind me of chocolate chip....yummy.

:wow:

TexansFanatic
09-11-2006, 03:55 PM
I understand your point, but my old username(at that time) meant something to me. Now-a-days it means nothing, so I figured now would be the best time for a change up. Kind of like how I thought this year would have been the best time to get a new QB. But thats in the past...

What was the old screen name?

TheOgre
09-11-2006, 03:56 PM
If Mario doesn't switch around Peek and Babin don't see the field as much...Pick your poison...

At the very least keep him at RDE on normal downs and LDE on passing ones. He doesn't need to play DT right now.

eric138
09-11-2006, 03:59 PM
No he wouldn't....People aren't Dumb...We don't expect unrealistic numbers from Mario...You can compare the two...Bush had a bigger impact in the game he played...period...thats a comparison...

150 All purpose>3 tackles...all...day...long

last year when our 2 win team won a game against the Browns our "no good" RB had what 90+ yrds?

How is it that Davis is not "the sheit" like Bush when he was making 300,000 a year and bring home 30+ more yards than Bush can on the ground. Sorry but until Bush provides the yards that he should be bringing in for that 50 Mil. or whatever he got he isn't anything better than Mario Williams.. That is comparable.

TexansLucky13
09-11-2006, 04:02 PM
Bounce back? he hasn't been anywhere to bounce back to.

all that aside, we've gotta give him at least a year to develop.

Exactly. Props for that statement and for changing your avatar back to Chad!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PowerfulDragon again.

Blake
09-11-2006, 04:06 PM
What was the old screen name?

It was DC_ROCK.(I think) DC was for my old band, Donora's Center.

real
09-11-2006, 04:12 PM
last year when our 2 win team won a game against the Browns our "no good" RB had what 90+ yrds?

How is it that Davis is not "the sheit" like Bush when he was making 300,000 a year and bring home 30+ more yards than Bush can on the ground. Sorry but until Bush provides the yards that he should be bringing in for that 50 Mil. or whatever he got he isn't anything better than Mario Williams.. That is comparable.

LOL...HA...Ok so Bush hasn't lived up to his draft status yet...and Mario has ?

Is it o.k to pay 50 mil for 3 tackles ?

Why are you bringing DD up ? lol

I don't even care about the stats...Mario making 3 tackles may be because other people were just beating him to the ball...What I do care about is him looking unimpressive for 98 snaps out of 99...

Double Barrel
09-11-2006, 04:14 PM
Peek and Babin are our best Pass rushers...

yeah, we're in trouble. It could be a long season, too.

real
09-11-2006, 04:14 PM
At the very least keep him at RDE on normal downs and LDE on passing ones. He doesn't need to play DT right now.

I disagree...Playing DT is easier than playing DE mentally...If they move him inside on pass downs all he has to do is rush the passer...This isn't a freaking QB we are talking about...I can see that argument being used for DC for 5 yrs. but this is a DE and most of his job is shedding blockers and finding the ball...That is not rocket science....

TexansFanatic
09-11-2006, 04:19 PM
It was DC_ROCK.(I think) DC was for my old band, Donora's Center.

I like the new name and the new avatar, but I agree with Vin. You should keep your name so people know who you are....

NRowl
09-11-2006, 04:29 PM
I am not going to have a knee jerk reaction to one bad game. Serious question (I do not live in Houston and couldn't watch off season practices)... Last year in college he did next to nothing against top 25 opponents while playing with other first round draft picks - What has Mario done (besides his combine measurables) to make anyone think his is going to be anything other than an average player in the NFL?

That being said, I am going to root for Mario and hope that the people that studied his abilities and his past performances saw something that I didn't.

Blake
09-11-2006, 04:30 PM
I like the new name and the new avatar, but I agree with Vin. You should keep your name so people know who you are....

Thank you, and I understand your points. Lets just hope the fans here in Texas dont run Mario out of town before my username sticks. ;)

real
09-11-2006, 04:31 PM
I am not going to have a knee jerk reaction to one bad game. Serious question (I do not live in Houston and couldn't watch off season practices)... Last year in college he did next to nothing against top 25 opponents while playing with other first round draft picks - What has Mario done (besides his combine measurables) to make anyone think his is going to be anything other than an average player in the NFL?
That being said, I am going to root for Mario and hope that the people that studied his abilities and his past performances saw something that I didn't.

nothing. He hasn't shown that he is spectacular...It's more of a wait and see kind of thing...

Blake
09-11-2006, 04:36 PM
I am not going to have a knee jerk reaction to one bad game. Serious question (I do not live in Houston and couldn't watch off season practices)... Last year in college he did next to nothing against top 25 opponents while playing with other first round draft picks - What has Mario done (besides his combine measurables) to make anyone think his is going to be anything other than an average player in the NFL?

That being said, I am going to root for Mario and hope that the people that studied his abilities and his past performances saw something that I didn't.

I think when you take potential away from players, you really strip them. What has Vince done as a pure passer to make you think he will be anything other than an average QB? Apples to Oranges right?

I think Mario will get better with knowledge. Like a boxer, just because you are bigger and stronger, doesnt mean you will win if you dont know how to use your feet, block, and attack smart. But when you take a technically sound LT, and put him up against a Mario Williams that is technically sound, Mario is going to win IMO.

michaelm
09-11-2006, 05:31 PM
I'm in the 'it's way too early to draw a conclusion' camp.

Mr. White
09-11-2006, 05:36 PM
I agree and felt the same way before the game. Bob or Keith at HPF suggested that they save the experimenting for year 2, which makes more sense than asking a rookie to learn 2 positions on the DL. Hopefully one of those clowns on 610 will pester Koobz about it on his radio show later today, because now I wonder if they'll keep trying it given that it worked out poorly against Philly.

Somebody just asked it. Kubiak said they were looking into keeping him at one spot.

chuckm
09-11-2006, 05:38 PM
I agree but this kind of thread is boring ...... let's talk about negative stuff ..... now that's ENTERTAINMENT

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
09-11-2006, 05:43 PM
I agree but this kind of thread is boring ...... let's talk about negative stuff ..... now that's ENTERTAINMENT

please lets not and say we did. lol j/k Way to much negative to talk about I'd like to get some sleep tonight.

Cgold
09-11-2006, 05:51 PM
well where i come from when a player gets 120 total yards in a game, id call it being pretty effective for his team..in his first game also..you think the guy is going to get worse or better? Did you see him lined up all over the field, his versatility is unbelievable. I can totally understand people not willing to say MW was the wrong pick so early, but dont downplay what Bush did and will continue to do............... and what he could of done in houston. :(

JDizzle
09-11-2006, 06:16 PM
Somebody just asked it. Kubiak said they were looking into keeping him at one spot.

Thanks. I was unable to catch the show so I'll have to check it out when SR610 puts it up on their website.

hot pickle
09-11-2006, 07:16 PM
i dont really watch the d-line, but when i watch mario yesterday, he did seem slow, and when he did his spin moves he looked very slow and easy to handle. is it just something a rookie DE has to learn. cause you look at dwight freeny and he has all kinds a moves and he does it real fast

so my question is does a rookie DE just have to learn and adapt to the NFL, and how long does it take for them to learn it

noxiousdog
09-11-2006, 07:36 PM
Did Big Ben "play like a rookie" ?

Of course. 1st game he sat. 2nd game he threw two picks and the offense managed 13 points. He also had a super bowl caliber team around him.

What about Brett Favre ??? Brett Sucked opening weekend

Brett threw 5 passes as a rooke with no completions. His first year in Green Bay was pretty good, but his second was awful (6.3 ypa, 19 TD, 24 INT)


....Don't keep repeating things as if they are fact...

What's that? That rookies playing their first game are rarely dominant?

sk8termom
09-11-2006, 09:00 PM
I agree - Mario Williams is going to do just fine! GO TEXANS!!!! :redtowel:

Second Honeymoon
09-12-2006, 12:30 AM
Mario is not a bust. What he is is someone who didnt show a lot of fire and desire in his first NFL game as #1 overall pick. That is the only problem I had. He seemed to be standing upright at the end of plays and didnt seem to want to get into the action. he just lacked that fire that is necessary to be a quality NFL defensive lineman. The fact that he didnt bring much fire into his first game makes me wonder what it will take to light a fire under him or is it even possible...did I say fire enough?

It's the same problem he had at NC State..and that problem was disappearing especially against top competition...well every OL he will face is going to be top competition in the NFL...it worries me, is all. He gets 2 years to show he is not a bust but the early feeling I have is that we may have blown it by picking him...*raises glass* Here is to hoping Mario shows us more the rest of the year and the rest of his career...

GO MARIO

doug from the woodlands

The Pencil Neck
09-12-2006, 12:54 AM
So Mario should be judged the same as the last pick of the draft ? :ok:

No. I don't expect the last pick of the draft to find his way onto the field for a few years. I don't expect most first rounders to find their way onto the field until midway through the season. Bush didn't even expect to play on Sunday and was surprised that Stecker wasn't playing.

Picking in the draft is more than just picking the best player or even what you need, it's also about not picking something that you think you can get later in the draft for not as much money. Demeco should have been an early first rounder. The fact we got him at the beginning of the second was pure thievery. I think Kubiak thought he could get everything that Bush could offer from other, cheaper players.

Merriman got one tackle the second game of the season last year, 2 tackles the third game, and then the fourth game got a tackle, an assist, his first sack, and a forced fumble. If Mario turns out as good as Merriman, I'll be totally happy. Right now, he's ahead of Merriman. You're judging Mario too quickly and too harshly.

michaelm
09-12-2006, 01:29 AM
Michael Strahan, in his 9th year, set the single season sack record with 22.5. (please, no one start up about how they never kept sack stats until the '80s)

The same year Strahan, a 9 year vet, set the sack record he had 8 tackles (7 solo) through two games, and not a single sack.

Does this prove anything... not really, but to me it is interesting...
No, I'm not comparing Mario with Strahan (yet). Just a little perspective.

real
09-12-2006, 11:03 AM
No. I don't expect the last pick of the draft to find his way onto the field for a few years. I don't expect most first rounders to find their way onto the field until midway through the season. Bush didn't even expect to play on Sunday and was surprised that Stecker wasn't playing.

Picking in the draft is more than just picking the best player or even what you need, it's also about not picking something that you think you can get later in the draft for not as much money. Demeco should have been an early first rounder. The fact we got him at the beginning of the second was pure thievery. I think Kubiak thought he could get everything that Bush could offer from other, cheaper players.

Merriman got one tackle the second game of the season last year, 2 tackles the third game, and then the fourth game got a tackle, an assist, his first sack, and a forced fumble. If Mario turns out as good as Merriman, I'll be totally happy. Right now, he's ahead of Merriman. You're judging Mario too quickly and too harshly.

I did not judge Mario...I said that his performance was poor...If you jump to conclusions and think I'm saying he is going to be a bust thats your fault...I never said he is going to be this or going to be that...I honestly don't have any clue what you are talking about...Maybe you should re-read my earlier post and re-evaluate your response because it doesn't pertain to anything I said...

real
09-12-2006, 11:06 AM
Of course. 1st game he sat. 2nd game he threw two picks and the offense managed 13 points. He also had a super bowl caliber team around him.Brett threw 5 passes as a rooke with no completions. His first year in Green Bay was pretty good, but his second was awful (6.3 ypa, 19 TD, 24 INT)What's that? That rookies playing their first game are rarely dominant?
:homer:

thunderkyss
09-12-2006, 11:42 AM
As the poster who shares his name, I think I need to step in and make a positive comment about our newest #1 draft pick.

While I hear the grumblings of Fan A, and Fan B, I also realize that this is week one of 16. I will be the first to agree with you that Mario was a non factor in yesterdays game. I will be the first to agree that he needs to step it up. But lets keep in mind that this is his first full 60 minute NFL game. Lets keep in mind that the learning curve for a DE is more dificult than a RB. Lets keep in mind that as long as he works his ass off to get better (which he is) he deserves a chance to redeem himself. A chance to show the fans why he was taken ahead of the big 2.

Give the guy a chance. Its week 1.

:twocents:

y'know, I wish I had the courage to say what I should've said yesterday. Instead of wanting to rewatch the game first.

Mario had a great game. Anyone thinking otherwise wasn't watching the game....... period. He did get doubled, he did get pressure on McNabb, and he did get 3 tackles.

Am I supposed to believe that the Eagles wasted their money on Darren Howard?? Spencer handled him all day long, & he got 2 tackles, no sacks. Am I supposed to believe Darren Howard had no impact on that game?? that's bull.

Jevon Kearse had 1 tackle, 1 sack...... is that the kind of impact we wanted?? Mario's three tackles shoule be about equivalent to 1 & 1 shouldn't it?? He had less tackles, but he made an impact.

Same thing for many of of last years ProBowlers are looking for their first sack, and didn't get as many tackles as Mario.

ON most plays, Donovan had to get rid of the ball within 2 seconds..... he did, and he did so very well........ doesn't mean that we didn't pressure McNabb. IT just means McNabb is a probowler.

Mario has some areas to work on, no doubt.But his first game was as good as many a ProBowl DE first game this season, and they weren't moved from tackle to DE, from the left, then to the right. IT's really amazing that Mario did as good as he did.

& we shouldn't be ashamed of what Mario did yesterday. We lost the game, but it wasn't because we had no pressure on the QB. We pressured a QB who knows how to handle pressure.

real
09-12-2006, 11:47 AM
y'know, I wish I had the courage to say what I should've said yesterday. Instead of wanting to rewatch the game first.

Mario had a great game. Anyone thinking otherwise wasn't watching the game....... period. He did get doubled, he did get pressure on McNabb, and he did get 3 tackles.

Am I supposed to believe that the Eagles wasted their money on Darren Howard?? Spencer handled him all day long, & he got 2 tackles, no sacks. Am I supposed to believe Darren Howard had no impact on that game?? that's bull.

Jevon Kearse had 1 tackle, 1 sack...... is that the kind of impact we wanted?? Mario's three tackles shoule be about equivalent to 1 & 1 shouldn't it?? He had less tackles, but he made an impact.

Same thing for many of of last years ProBowlers are looking for their first sack, and didn't get as many tackles as Mario.

ON most plays, Donovan had to get rid of the ball within 2 seconds..... he did, and he did so very well........ doesn't mean that we didn't pressure McNabb. IT just means McNabb is a probowler.

Mario has some areas to work on, no doubt.But his first game was as good as many a ProBowl DE first game this season, and they weren't moved from tackle to DE, from the left, then to the right. IT's really amazing that Mario did as good as he did.

& we shouldn't be ashamed of what Mario did yesterday. We lost the game, but it wasn't because we had no pressure on the QB. We pressured a QB who knows how to handle pressure.

You are right..Mario played o.k.....He will start throwing his weight around once he gets comfortable....

Texian
09-12-2006, 11:51 AM
is it just something a rookie DE has to learn. cause you look at dwight freeny and he has all kinds a moves and he does it real fast
so my question is does a rookie DE just have to learn and adapt to the NFL, and how long does it take for them to learn it

Dwight Freeny had 0 tackles, 0 assist and 0 sacks agaisnt the Giants, he was man handled by Pettigout. What does mean?? Is he now a bust?

Mario just turned 21, he won't reach his full maturity for another 2 or 3 years. It will be another 4 years before he has a complete standing in manhood and voting priveledges for "Man Law".

dwilt72
09-12-2006, 12:14 PM
Last year in college he did next to nothing against top 25 opponents while playing with other first round draft picks - What has Mario done (besides his combine measurables) to make anyone think his is going to be anything other than an average player in the NFL?

Thank you! Finally a voice of reason on this board! I've been saying this since draft day! I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that Mario's performance has been so bad. That was how he played in college. In games against teams with poor O-Line's he stepped it up and got huge sack numbers, but put him against competition that was closer to his talent and he disappeared. This pick was solely based on his combine numbers.

ImSoTexas
09-12-2006, 12:51 PM
Shakin my head at the Texans using the 1st overall pick on a base end. Any one else on the roster could do his job. He is not a impact player! Better against the run maybe but not a pass rushing terror. I cant believe some of you cant see this. He has shown absolutely nothing threw preseason & now the 1st game of the season. I've seen players taking later in the 1st round dominate in their 1st season. ie DeMarcus Ware & Shawn Merriman. But Williams is just a rookie right? Dude was a workout warrior just like Babin but it doesnt translate to the field.