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Speedy
09-19-2004, 04:04 PM
I realize we gave the game away on turnovers AGAIN....but AJ was pushed out of bounds at the 1 and there was no review. What gives??? I mean it may have been too little too late, but we score from 1 yard out, you can at least try the onsides kick and if we got it, we still had 3 timeouts.

:mad:

rhc564
09-19-2004, 04:06 PM
...get use to it, buddy, it's going to be a long year

ATX
09-19-2004, 04:13 PM
i still don't get that call. it's under 2 minutes and a disputable play, where were the guys who make that decision. fire them now

Fiddy
09-19-2004, 04:14 PM
there is no challenge for a force out call....

texasguy346
09-19-2004, 04:22 PM
The ref blew the call, but like Fiddy said there is no review for a force out call. It's up to the referree on the field to judge. I don't understand the rule, but apparently thats how the NFL does it.

thetexanator
09-19-2004, 04:23 PM
the texans should complain to the league

Speedy
09-19-2004, 04:30 PM
there is no challenge for a force out call....Then it was a sorry ****ing call. :mad:

texansfan88
09-19-2004, 04:33 PM
according to the self proclaimed experts on this board, we really suck so it wouldnt of mattered anyway.

Mistril48
09-19-2004, 04:34 PM
there is no challenge for a force out call....
I thought this also, but at the end of the Tacks game, they reviewed a force of call on the 1 yrd line ... so I'm confused.

Vinny
09-19-2004, 04:35 PM
I thought this also, but at the end of the Tacks game, they reviewed a force of call on the 1 yrd line ... so I'm confused. They were only looking at possession of the ball. They were not ruling on the judgement aspect of the force out.

Reddevil63
09-19-2004, 04:39 PM
it was a good catch though idonno:

jacquescas
09-19-2004, 05:04 PM
I'm happy Carr is making strides, if Davis can't control his fumbling we still have Hollings that is promising. I don't expect more than 5 wins this season.

rittenhouserobz
09-19-2004, 05:07 PM
The guys upstairs should have challenged the catch not the push out of bounds, but in reality the premise of instant replay is too ensure that a bad play isn't called.

HJam72
09-19-2004, 05:08 PM
OK, that's it. Fire the refs, Capers, Casserly, Palmer, the rest of the coaches, DD, Dunta, and anyone else who has an attitude. Nah, just fire that one ref and PUT DD ON THE FREAKING BENCH!

Mistril48
09-19-2004, 05:36 PM
They were only looking at possession of the ball. They were not ruling on the judgement aspect of the force out.
Thanks. I had the sound down and didn't hear what they said. I just saw them reviewing something.

Jwwillis
09-19-2004, 05:42 PM
The way I understood it the Texans couldnt challenge in the last 2 minuets only the officials could. The officials didnt challenge it because the force out rule in un-challengable.

bossbfan
09-19-2004, 08:12 PM
As a Lions fan I actually felt a little dirty when the ref blew that call on Andre's catch. I want the Lions to win, but not on bad calls. You still would have had to get the onside kick, plus score another TD, but you should have had a shot at it. I also would have liked to have seen if the Lions could have stopped the Texans at the 1 YD line.

I think the worst play of the game was when the Texans went for 2 with like 15min left in the game. That was a BAD coaching decision. Very panicky.

wags
09-19-2004, 08:18 PM
I think the worst play of the game was when the Texans went for 2 with like 15min left in the game. That was a BAD coaching decision. Very panicky.

Yea, I have always heard that you never "chase" points. With 12 minutes left I was not happy to see them go for 2.

JustBonee
09-19-2004, 08:27 PM
Yea, I have always heard that you never "chase" points. With 12 minutes left I was not happy to see them go for 2.
In that instance, it wasn't a bad coaching decision, because if they had made the 2 points and then had gotten a field goal after that, the game would have been tied.
But other than that call ... the rest of the coaching decisions were the pits! :thumbdown

JDizzle
09-19-2004, 08:30 PM
I think the worst play of the game was when the Texans went for 2 with like 15min left in the game. That was a BAD coaching decision. Very panicky.

That wasn't a "panicky" decision at all. Capers was just trying to get within a field goal from evening the score. If you look at the scenarios it makes sense.

A) Kick the PAT, you're down 4 points and need a touchdown to go ahead.
B) Go for 2, fail, you're down 5, yet you still need a touchdown to go ahead.
C) Go for 2, succeed, you're down 3 and within a field goal of evening things up.

In that case going for 2 isn't a very big risk, even in the 4th quarter.

Speedy
09-19-2004, 09:40 PM
I think too many teams try to make up points with the 2 pt. conversion too often. I've noticed that games usually turn out where had they gone ahead a kicked the extra point they would have been in a better position at the end of the game.

Let's say for example, the Texans miss the 2 pt. conversion, like they did. 21-16. Detroit goes down and instead of scoring another TD, the D holds them to a FG. 24-16. Had the Texans kicked the extra point, they would only need 7, instead of doing it the hard way and having to get a TD and 2 pointer. That's the way it seems most games get down to when teams go for 2 with a whole lot of game left. I have no stats on that or anything, but I've seen many a game where a team gets to the end needing a 2 pt. conversion after failing earlier in the game, when had the kicked, all they would have needed is 7. And it seems like it happens more often than not.

I think you should never go for two unless it is at or near the end of the game...say less than 5 or 6 minutes. With 12, 13 minutes left, there's just too much football left to be played.

Points are hard to come by in the NFL. Take the easy ones.

HoustonLionsFan
09-19-2004, 09:41 PM
I think there are valid arguments to be made on both sides of the decision

Vinny
09-19-2004, 11:43 PM
I agree with the guys that thought going for the two was a horrible call. It was too early in the game.

HJam72
09-20-2004, 08:47 AM
It was a good play call (he just didn't catch it), but probably a bad decision to go for 2 in the first place. I agree with most of you here. You don't go for 2 with so much time left, because you don't know how much the other team may score and you could still make a possible come back. A lot can happen in 12 minutes--kicks, touchdowns, KICKOFF RETURNS, who knows--maybe even a safety and an onside kick, lol.

Lucky
09-20-2004, 09:03 AM
I agree with the guys that thought going for the two was a horrible call. It was too early in the game.
The Texans got the ball one more time after that conversion attempt. There wasn't that much time left. It was the right call.

Waiting until the last possible chance to make a play is by definition playing not to lose. Go for it. If you don't make it, at least you have the rest of the game to make up for it. Wait until the last play of the game, it's do or die. You have to maximize your opportunities to win. I can't agree with every coaching decision the Texans made, but I'll back this one 100% every time.

SteveG
09-20-2004, 09:13 AM
All these compaints about turnovers, no (not enough) blitz, are merely symptoms of the real disease. We have been pointing to the same things for going on three years now. When will people start to uprise and point the finger at Capers (and Palmer)? Did anyone see the 60 minutes special on football coaches last night? We have solid talent. They are not being coached. Palmer plays too conservative and Capers plays not to loose.

SteveG
09-20-2004, 09:21 AM
All these things are merely symptoms of the disease. It is going on three years now. We have solid talent. The fault lies with Palmer being too conservative, and Capers playing not to lose. Anyone see the 60 minutes thing last night on Coaching in hte NFL? Everytime we lose it's either bad calls, turnovers, no blitzing, or something........fire Capers, Mr McNair. Get us a real coach.

HJam72
09-20-2004, 09:29 AM
I'm getting deja-vu here. lol:

Lucky
09-20-2004, 09:36 AM
Anyone see the 60 minutes thing last night on Coaching in hte NFL?
Well, I did not see 60 Minutes last night. Did they say that Dom Capers is a bad coach and should be fired? Why are you referring to this?

HJam72
09-20-2004, 09:38 AM
The Texans got the ball one more time after that conversion attempt. There wasn't that much time left. It was the right call.

Waiting until the last possible chance to make a play is by definition playing not to lose. Go for it. If you don't make it, at least you have the rest of the game to make up for it. Wait until the last play of the game, it's do or die. You have to maximize your opportunities to win. I can't agree with every coaching decision the Texans made, but I'll back this one 100% every time.

That's the way it worked out, but there could have been many possessions in that amount of time. In the fourth quarter of an NFL game, it happens.

I will say this. It took some guts. He showed faith in his defense and assumed there wouldn't be anymore scoring allowed. I'd like to make judgements on play calling decisions in a game where we don't lose the turnover battle so badly, though. I'm afraid I'm judging coaches just because I ticked that we lost, which is mostly DD's fault, the way I see it.

TheOgre
09-20-2004, 09:44 AM
I thought it was too early to go for 2 myself. Way too much time to do that. You wait until the last 7-8 minutes to think about that.

After we failed on the 2-pointer, I thought the Lions would get a FG and we would be down by 8. With the TD we were down by 12 and needed two TD's to win instead of a TD with a 2-pter and a FG to tie it.

Vinny
09-20-2004, 12:36 PM
The Texans got the ball one more time after that conversion attempt. There wasn't that much time left. It was the right call.

Waiting until the last possible chance to make a play is by definition playing not to lose. Go for it. If you don't make it, at least you have the rest of the game to make up for it. Wait until the last play of the game, it's do or die. You have to maximize your opportunities to win. I can't agree with every coaching decision the Texans made, but I'll back this one 100% every time. With a field goal by the Lions we are down by 8. If we kick the PAT we are only down by 7. Going for the 2 point conversion would force us to go for a high risk 2 point conversion twice. That is not a good scenario.