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MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 04:30 PM
After watching the first game today, what does everyone want to see, Carr or Sage in game 2 against the Colts.....David looked good at times today TD pass to Moulds, and looked bad a few times tripping on his own feet and holding onto the ball in one of his four sacks.........so what does everyone think.....I would like to see Sage against the starters somewhere down the road just to see what happens, after reading so many post from all of you on here, it's been hard for me to side, but would to know how everyone feels after today's game that counted........

Brandon420tx
09-10-2006, 04:31 PM
After watching the first game today, what does everyone want to see, Carr or Sage in game 2 against the Colts.....David looked good at times today TD pass to Moulds, and looked bad a few times tripping on his own feet and holding onto the ball in one of his four sacks.........so what does everyone think.....I would like to see Sage against the starters somewhere down the road just to see what happens, after reading so many post from all of you on here, it's been hard for me to side, but would to know how everyone feels after today's game that counted........

Why? ... why? ... WHY!!!!?????












Carr.

Reddevil63
09-10-2006, 04:32 PM
Carr was one of the few bright spots today, there is no question who the starter is and should be.

Goldeagle
09-10-2006, 04:32 PM
What a retarded thread to start

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 04:34 PM
I truely want to see after today's game how everyone feel's, all the pre-season trash is gone.......So let's hear it now

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 04:38 PM
Just one Carr hater so far, where are the rest of you that, could not stand this guy in the pre-season, I knew everyone would jump back and ride the Carr again after today......:ok:

Texans86
09-10-2006, 04:41 PM
Carr did a heck of a lot with very little help. I'm sure the thread from earlier in the week will pop up about how if the running game isn't successful, then the Texans won't be successful. We saw first hand how that works out. There were five sacks today, four by missed blocks, and Carr only had one pass batted down. If we can get some balance and some blocking, he could be a very good quarterback if he plays like he did today.

Wolf
09-10-2006, 04:42 PM
sage would have pulled out a "W" :ok:

LORK 88
09-10-2006, 05:09 PM
Why does this remind me of the 2005 season when everyone was begging for Ragone to start? Whos he play for again?? Anyways, Carr looked good today and in control despite getting sacked 5 times (once by himself). I think he needs to do a better job when he dumps off to our RBs (he screwed them over afew times), but other than that, he looks vastly improved.

rmartin65
09-10-2006, 06:20 PM
Carr looked great. Those who voted for Sage, why? What has he proved against a real D?

Texans Horror
09-10-2006, 06:22 PM
Carr has improved. Now if the blocking could...

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 06:26 PM
Carr looked great. Those who voted for Sage, why? What has he proved against a real D?

That's what I'm looking for some optisum here ! I told my wife the Carr haters will be hiding :hides: today........

Dime
09-10-2006, 06:34 PM
That's what I'm looking for some optisum here ! I told my wife the Carr haters will be hiding :hides: today........

Wide out in the open tex...

and No.. Carr still is the QB of this team and shoouldnt be benched til the end of season ifhe doesnt improve much much more.

Txn_in_FL
09-10-2006, 06:35 PM
Carr looked fine. The D is what fell apart in this game.

Malloy
09-10-2006, 06:40 PM
Halfway through the season. If Carr shows a consistant progression from last year it's his job to keep, if not I'm willing to see what Rosenfels can do.

run-david-run
09-10-2006, 06:50 PM
Carr gets so much hate...

texanbychoice
09-10-2006, 06:56 PM
i think Carr has a heck of an arm if he can use it.....:fans:

Goldeagle
09-10-2006, 07:50 PM
Carr has improved. Now if the blocking could...

AMEN!

Topher
09-10-2006, 08:02 PM
I put sage but I dont really think he would have done any better. Sage is a herb and I love me some herbs.
Didnt Carr looks great today? Lets hope he can keep it up!

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 08:31 PM
Hope to see more of David and Eric hooking up again......:redtowel:

sakebomb
09-10-2006, 08:38 PM
Crazy. The one player that did a decent job and you want to bench him.

I vote to ban idiots.

Wolf
09-10-2006, 09:54 PM
I figured I'd put this thread in now eventhough I don't believe it, but some of you are just incredible.

I honestly think there is nothing this guy can do that would make any of y'all happy. (and i am one that says if he isn't playing well.. kubiak will take him out)

Brandon420tx
09-10-2006, 09:58 PM
The guy could part the red sea, and some of our fans would still not want him on our team.

noxiousdog
09-10-2006, 10:20 PM
Sage is a career 49% passer. Anyone that wants that is crazy.

amazingandre
09-11-2006, 11:24 AM
i picked carr but i think things need to change a lot..... stop the short passing ***** aj and moulds are great doing slants also go deep damn it aj almost always can beat his guy and catch it

Soder
09-11-2006, 11:41 AM
Carr is NOT the problem. the lack of blocking is. Name one QB who could have done any better. McNABB had all the time in the world to throw.Why is it that good QB's have good O lines and bad ones dont.:brickwall

real
09-11-2006, 11:50 AM
Carr looked good...Carr is the man...

beerlover
09-11-2006, 11:57 AM
Can't remember the exact moment but I think it was around the start of the 4th quarter & David had his helmet back on ready to return, thats when I first thought to myself that if the Texans wanted to try and win this game that would have been the moment to insert Sage, because the offense was dead. Now that does not mean that David is still not the starter, because he is, but in game situations you need to make adjustments that allow you to win games, regardless of how crazy it may seem. Then one way or another we would not even have this discussion, I just want to win games regardless who or what it takes.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
09-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Carr.

There is a reason why Sage is on his third team in a very short time. I'm not going to give my opinion as to why that is because I don't want to get jumped.

He was a backup to Gus Frerotte! Don't tell me you think Gus is better than Carr.

Frills
09-11-2006, 12:20 PM
Sage is good when he is thrown into situations where there is no pressure.

When he's given a week to prepare and its on his shoulders he folds

rmartin65
09-11-2006, 03:27 PM
I vote to ban idiots.
I second that.

QB75
09-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Don't start a QB controversy. Carr is progressing fine in the new offense.

Double Barrel
09-11-2006, 03:36 PM
100 votes right now, and it's 86% in favor of keeping Carr the starter.

Interesting.... :hmmm: Looks like true 'Carr-haters' are a minority of posters

I picked Carr because 1) he's Kubiak's choice, 2) a QB controversy right now means we are resolved to a losing season, and 3) he had a decent game yesterday (with the except of a couple of plays and 5 sacks...which were mostly not his fault)

El Tejano
09-11-2006, 03:48 PM
Yeah why don't we get behind this guy so that he can play with the confidence he needs to play with to be a leader for this team.

Kaiser Toro
09-11-2006, 06:04 PM
Carr played about as well as he can and therefore he deserves another start since we pay him so much money. Having no turnovers was huge, but there was plenty not to like if you really break down his game without the emotion that a Sage/Carr thread will yield.

Carr starts next week no ifs, ands or butts. Why do people feel that a change is even debatable at this moment in time?

swtbound07
09-11-2006, 06:12 PM
I'll vote for carr the second he shows to me that he can lead his team to victory consistently. He didn't, and hasn't shown me he can hit .500. Until David starts winning, I want somebody else in there. PERIOD.

jerek
09-11-2006, 06:29 PM
I'll vote for carr the second he shows to me that he can lead his team to victory consistently. He didn't, and hasn't shown me he can hit .500. Until David starts winning, I want somebody else in there. PERIOD.

LOL never understand this one. What's the standard of "victory consistently?" Career winning record? Super Bowl title? Kind of like demanding a new steering column because your car doesn't work, when your fuel injector is inoperable and your tires are flat. Never mind that the steering column is perfectly functional. Football is a system and a team sport.

chuckm
09-11-2006, 06:33 PM
LOL never understand this one. What's the standard of "victory consistently?" Career winning record? Super Bowl title? Kind of like demanding a new steering column because your car doesn't work, when your fuel injector is inoperable and your tires are flat. Never mind that the steering column is perfectly functional. Football is a system and a team sport.


You're questioning the judgement of someone wearing a Vince Young jersey standing between two Texans cheerleaders .....

Malloy
09-11-2006, 06:37 PM
You're questioning the judgement of someone wearing a Vince Young jersey standing between two Texans cheerleaders .....

Hehe, missed that one. Good point :)

wicked_wayz
09-11-2006, 07:20 PM
sage would have pulled out a "W" :ok:

what????? you got to be kidding right???

wicked_wayz
09-11-2006, 07:25 PM
I'll vote for carr the second he shows to me that he can lead his team to victory consistently. He didn't, and hasn't shown me he can hit .500. Until David starts winning, I want somebody else in there. PERIOD.

carr cant do it all on his own

wicked_wayz
09-11-2006, 07:28 PM
whats up with the vince young jersey?????? you might as well support the titans

swtbound07
09-11-2006, 07:45 PM
LOL never understand this one. What's the standard of "victory consistently?" Career winning record? Super Bowl title? Kind of like demanding a new steering column because your car doesn't work, when your fuel injector is inoperable and your tires are flat. Never mind that the steering column is perfectly functional. Football is a system and a team sport.


How about sniffing .500 this decade? Or is that too much to ask

swtbound07
09-11-2006, 07:46 PM
whats up with the vince young jersey?????? you might as well support the titans

I like Vince, the cheerleaders were hot, and I feel i looked damned good.

jerek
09-11-2006, 08:54 PM
How about sniffing .500 this decade? Or is that too much to ask

You're right, it's all Carr's fault. Always has been. :rolleyes:

Anybody but the most biased observer of yesterday's game would have picked out about ten things that needed improvement besides David Carr's 100+ QB rating. He wasn't perfect but he played one of the best games he's played in a long time.

I've read your half-baked arguments for inferior quarterbacking where the rest of the team has been primarily responsible for whatever wins you attribute to said inferior quarterbacks (e.g. the Falcons winning in a horribly diluted conference on the strength of their run game and defense, but nooo, that was all Mike Vick.) It's fine for you not to like the guy or to like a second-rate QB like Vince Young -- and to have your own reasons for it -- but your attempt to base it on game performance is weak.

infantrycak
09-11-2006, 09:09 PM
I'll vote for carr the second he shows to me that he can lead his team to victory consistently. He didn't, and hasn't shown me he can hit .500. Until David starts winning, I want somebody else in there. PERIOD.

For perspective--this comes from someone who will attibute the Falcons win to a 45 completion % 140 yds passing QB rather than to the dominant D and 250 + yds of rushing.

SESupergenius
09-12-2006, 12:34 AM
I like Vince, the cheerleaders were hot, and I feel i looked damned good.
I like Vince too...except for the interception....

HJam72
09-12-2006, 12:52 AM
I think someone is very proud to be ignorant.

rockabilly
09-12-2006, 04:02 AM
Carr is looking better. People need to realize that we played a Super Bowl caliber team.

Napa Auto Parts
09-12-2006, 04:10 AM
i wouldnt go that far calling it a superbowl team but the eagles are a good team we were outmatched in every category well may be except wide reciever but anyways we should be used. David Played Ok so it wasnt completely his fault.

U4ikrob
09-12-2006, 03:56 PM
Carr - not even a question and shouldnt be at this point in the season.

Some people kill me with this Sage or DC stuff - Honestly DC did just about everything he could sunday and finished wit ha 100+ passer rating - What more could he have done to get things going - It's not his fault the O-line wasnt blockign worth a darn and the running game was non-existant not to mention the Defense except D-Wreck forgot to show up for most of the game.

On the sacks - The Freak was nasty on Sunday and schooled our O-line, TE's and RB's regularly and put pressure in the backfield all day. I saw very few times DC held the ball long as their was not a consistent pocket to stand in most of the day except the first few drives as compared to Mcnab who had 2 smokes and a lunch date before he threw the ball most of the time. I saw a lot of poor running and run blocking and alot of Philly blitzes. I'm still baffled how some people are blaming a sack on Carr for getting tripped??? Fox didnt replay the trip so I only got one look at the play, but I honestly wouldnt "Blame' DC for that sack. IMO its not like DC tripped on purpose. My question would be on that sack did Flannagin or someone else step on his foot or defender grab at him to make him trip or did he loose balance or what? There was no angle on TV to see, but it looked like his foot was held when he went to turn.

Texanfan4ever
09-12-2006, 04:40 PM
I like Vince, the cheerleaders were hot, and I feel i looked damned good.

Whatever! What version of koolaid are you drinking???

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
09-12-2006, 05:29 PM
Whatever! What version of koolaid are you drinking???

Tack Blue? J/K could'nt pass it up.

shinerbock_girl
09-12-2006, 06:36 PM
What a retarded thread to start

Whys it a retarded thread???? Its a good poll...Not everyone is pro-carr so i think its interesting to see what opposing views think...

hollywood_texan
09-12-2006, 06:36 PM
Carr played a good game, but I have hard to reconciling a QB passer rating of over 100 and you score only 10 points. It just doesn't make sense.

Take out the first drive and last drive of the first half and the offense was completely horrible. The second half was true to form from the past two years or so.

I think Kubiak held back on the play calling and that is why the Philly D was able to get to Carr. Kubiak needs to install more of the offense and really push Carr. It seemed to me the Ealges were not really concerned about Carr getting the ball downfield.

Meanwhile, McNabb put on a clinic with his short passes to the sticks. He threw a lot of passes like that and almost no rush was going to get him. The Eagles offense was played very well and took the right shots downfield that payed off at the right time.

This game, Kubiak was outcoached because he didn't push his players to the limit for a victory. That seems very similar to Capers. What is going on here?

U4ikrob
09-12-2006, 06:55 PM
Carr played a good game, but I have hard to reconciling a QB passer rating of over 100 and you score only 10 points. It just doesn't make sense.

I can understand your feeling here, but the numbers are pretty reliable in this case - When Carr 'had' the time to throw the ball - he was pretty much on target most of the day. To me that equals a good 'Passer' rating. He only had a handful of plays where I questioned where he was goign wit hthe ball. Kubiak addressed this in his Post-game and said David did very well and followed the script he had. IMO the team looked tentative after the first quarter because they havent really played together very long. All Pre-season and TC was about switching players around and finding the right combos. IMO like DC said post game - 'This was reallly the first full game they had played together the whole game.'

IMO Kubiak is going to have to script some new stuff than he did with Denver because we lack the personel to make the running game work when the other team is blitzing the cut-back lanes like Philly did pretty much all day. WE dont have the experience on our line to block like they did and alot of teams are getting better at attacking the running lanes. Look at what happened to Denver on Sunday - they didnt exactly light up the scoreboard either.


Take out the first drive and last drive of the first half and the offense was completely horrible. The second half was true to form from the past two years or so.
I think Kubiak held back on the play calling and that is why the Philly D was able to get to Carr. Kubiak needs to install more of the offense and really push Carr. It seemed to me the Ealges were not really concerned about Carr getting the ball downfield.

IMO the O-line/RB's inexperience, lack of blocking, missed assignments and lack of running game combined with our Swiss Cheese defense killed the Offense - not the QB/WR play. We got stuck on Offense because Philly pushed us out of our gameplan and into the passing only game which they shutdown with up front pressure. They had no fear of our running game and thus pinned their ears back and came for Carr almost every down in the second half.

Meanwhile, McNabb put on a clinic with his short passes to the sticks. He threw a lot of passes like that and almost no rush was going to get him. The Eagles offense was played very well and took the right shots downfield that payed off at the right time.

This game, Kubiak was outcoached because he didn't push his players to the limit for a victory. That seems very similar to Capers. What is going on here?

IMO Kubiak wasnt so much outcoached as we dont have the personel to compete with Philly just yet. IMO For lack of a better way to put it we are "Green" as a team overall. We dont have the depth or experience in our Offense to keep a veteran Defense like Philly's guessing to keep from shutting us down. We also lack secondary speed and coverage, LB speed and hitting on our defense outside of a handful to contain Mcnabb's roll outs and short passes. IMO McNabb didnt play a flawless game, he had a half hour to throw the ball - That kind of time will let anybody light you up [See Rams rookie QB vs Texans last year] IMO McNabb just found the open man and made the easy read/throw. IMO Our defenses lack of pressure and stops made our offense have to become One-dimensional to try and stay in the game because they couldnt stop Philly from scoring all day long.

hollywood_texan
09-12-2006, 07:17 PM
I can understand your feeling here, but the numbers are pretty reliable in this case - When Carr 'had' the time to throw the ball - he was pretty much on target most of the day. To me that equals a good 'Passer' rating. He only had a handful of plays where I questioned where he was goign wit hthe ball. Kubiak addressed this in his Post-game and said David did very well and followed the script he had. IMO the team looked tentative after the first quarter because they havent really played together very long. All Pre-season and TC was about switching players around and finding the right combos. IMO like DC said post game - 'This was reallly the first full game they had played together the whole game.'

IMO Kubiak is going to have to script some new stuff than he did with Denver because we lack the personel to make the running game work when the other team is blitzing the cut-back lanes like Philly did pretty much all day. WE dont have the experience on our line to block like they did and alot of teams are getting better at attacking the running lanes. Look at what happened to Denver on Sunday - they didnt exactly light up the scoreboard either.




IMO the O-line/RB's inexperience, lack of blocking, missed assignments and lack of running game combined with our Swiss Cheese defense killed the Offense - not the QB/WR play. We got stuck on Offense because Philly pushed us out of our gameplan and into the passing only game which they shutdown with up front pressure. They had no fear of our running game and thus pinned their ears back and came for Carr almost every down in the second half.



IMO Kubiak wasnt so much outcoached as we dont have the personel to compete with Philly just yet. IMO For lack of a better way to put it we are "Green" as a team overall. We dont have the depth or experience in our Offense to keep a veteran Defense like Philly's guessing to keep from shutting us down. We also lack secondary speed and coverage, LB speed and hitting on our defense outside of a handful to contain Mcnabb's roll outs and short passes. IMO McNabb didnt play a flawless game, he had a half hour to throw the ball - That kind of time will let anybody light you up [See Rams rookie QB vs Texans last year] IMO McNabb just found the open man and made the easy read/throw. IMO Our defenses lack of pressure and stops made our offense have to become One-dimensional to try and stay in the game because they couldnt stop Philly from scoring all day long.

From everything you just described, it was Capers and Company but with a different flavor. I am sensing the same old song and dance.

McNabb made some throws in less time that Carr had had from my seats in Reliant. There were many plays where he threw to the sticks and his receivers were there for the catch. Then McNabb went downfield at the right times. I am sure Andy Ried trusts McNabb a lot more than Kubiak trusts Carr, which I think was a big difference in the game with regards to scoring only 10 points.

As for not being able to run the ball and throw downfield, Kubiak is going to have to use his offensive prowess to exploite these defensive schemes at least at points during the game. Take out the first drive, and the offensive was very boring, not to mention predictable. I still can't believe Kubiak called a run play to Lundy on 3-10 in the second quarter. On a play like that, he is not doing Carr any favors. After Sunday, defenses are going to continue to stack the run and blitz Carr, it isn't going to stop until Kubiak designs the plays that exploites these tendacies and relies on Carr for execution. Otherwise, we will continue to have a QB with a 85 passer rating or better, that gets around 200 yards with 60% completions, with about 1 TD, but the offense will score 10 to 17 points. Bottom line, Carr needs to prove himself in the league so he scares defensive coordinators, I really didn't see the play calling on Sunday putting Carr in position to show that.

Honestly, I would rather see Kubiak push these guys a little more on his play calling. If they fail, they fail. Playing this game close to the vest is only going to get Carr in more trouble.