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The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:11 PM
Mario Williams was worthless today, meanwhile Bush gets over 160 total yards....I know it's a long season but I have a feelin we'll be seeing a lot more of this for years to come.

gg no re
09-10-2006, 04:12 PM
I'm only sick at all of the Bush dong-riding just because they beat on one of the weakest teams in the AFC, while we dealt with a top-tier NFC team.

BEERnBBQ
09-10-2006, 04:13 PM
i feel kinda nautious myself. i dont know if its from the game or the beer

gtexan02
09-10-2006, 04:13 PM
I feel you. People will say that Cleveland can't stop the run anyway, but I thought Bush looked better than McCallister, and Deuce is a great RB. Also, Cleveland has a stud LB in Davis.

Also, the Eagles have historically had trouble with the zone blocking scheme. Looks like they ate the Texans RBs for lunch.

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:14 PM
I'm sorry but Bush is gonna be a stud.....dude has way too much raw talent to be a bust.....Williams is exactly what I expected him to be.........mediocre.....

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Your not the only one, I am wiping my toilet seat down for the 5th time :ohsnap: today....

RocKetHtown
09-10-2006, 04:15 PM
Super M needs to start geting to the QB...So we can move on from the bush crap:shoot:

BEERnBBQ
09-10-2006, 04:15 PM
I'm only sick at all of the Bush dong-riding just because they beat on one of the weakest teams in the AFC, while we dealt with a top-tier NFC team.
thanks for saying that. Bush had good numbers.wow 160 yds vs cleveland. no offense to browns fans but their D ain't the eagles D

The Dude Abides
09-10-2006, 04:15 PM
first game of the season. When we only rush 4 guys, he's going to get double teamed the majority of the game. As for Bush, yeah, he'll probably average this the rest of the season. You do some punt returns, catch, and run, you're total yardage will be up.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 04:16 PM
Yes we will be sick after today, hearing on ESPN how bush rolled over the DAWG pound in Cleveland........someone shoot the press it has already started:shoot:

JMAC
09-10-2006, 04:19 PM
Super M needs to start geting to the QB...So we can move on from the bush crap:shoot:

you are callin it crap because its gettin to you that this was a bad bad pick, and you dont want to get reminded of it, but you will for the next decade...

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:19 PM
Reggie has lived up to the hype thus far.

ccdude730
09-10-2006, 04:19 PM
i thought including return yards on player stats was a college thing...

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:22 PM
Reggie made a difference today....that is the main point...he's a difference making player.......Mario was awful.

Goldeagle
09-10-2006, 04:22 PM
I'm only sick at all of the Bush dong-riding just because they beat on one of the weakest teams in the AFC, while we dealt with a top-tier NFC team.


160 yards total sucks against the Browns. Rudi Johnson will rush for that many against the Browns.

Grid
09-10-2006, 04:24 PM
Well the week couldnt start out worse. Losing to the iggles is bad enough.. now we gotta deal with the whiners who get starry eyed looking at stats.

I am going to make a vow.

As of right now, i vow not to take part in any Bush vs. Mario debates on this board until the 2009 season (3 years) when we actually have something worthwhile to talk about.

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:26 PM
you guys act like Reggie didn't make a difference today....his stats were great, because he was great.

Porky
09-10-2006, 04:27 PM
I have said this for months. It was a huge mistake. We should have taken Bush. There was no question in my mind then, and none now.

Having said that, we can't change history, so I stopped griping, and was just crossing my fingers that Williams would be a beast. At this point, Mario needs to at least be a factor early in his career. He doesn't have to be Reggie White...yet. But, he needs to make his presence felt out there. So far, EXTREMELY unimpressed with him. Obviousely, the book has not been written on him, and he could still come on and make huge strides, that's why I said "so far". But, after hearing excuses about it's preseason, and he is doubled, and blah, blah, blah, it's obvious, Mario is at least careening down the road toward bustville. And, who would be suprised? The NFL is littered with Dlineman taken this high who went out to be big fat zeros.

Wolf
09-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Reggie made a difference today....that is the main point...he's a difference making player.......Mario was awful.


we gave up 400+ yards on defense.. Reggie plays defense??????????

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:31 PM
no but we sure could've used Reggie in the backfield......point being Reggie would've made a difference on offense, Mario DIDN'T make a difference on Defense.....it still sucks even with his addition.

caspian
09-10-2006, 04:34 PM
Mario Williams was worthless today, meanwhile Bush gets over 160 total yards....I know it's a long season but I have a feelin we'll be seeing a lot more of this for years to come.

Funny...

Our running game was "set"...

We needed pass rushing...

We got neither...

gg no re
09-10-2006, 04:35 PM
no but we sure could've used Reggie in the backfield......point being Reggie would've made a difference on offense, Mario DIDN'T make a difference on Defense.....it still sucks even with his addition.We'll find out in Week 6.

BlueThunder
09-10-2006, 04:36 PM
Reggie Bush's STATS

RUSHING
14 FOR 61 4.1 ((LONG 18))

NOT EYE POPPING :whip:

RECIEVING
8 FOR 58 7.25 ((LONG 14))

THATS NOT EYE POPPING EITHER!:shoot:

Why don't you just save all this to see if he even makes the season before you start making yourself look stupid.Hardy the domination he had in the Pac 10.:cowboy1:

texanpride 11 AND 5 NO MERCY

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:37 PM
those stats are a lot better than Super Mario's

gg no re
09-10-2006, 04:39 PM
In comparison, Julius Peppers' first NFL game kinda sucked. Only 1 assist.

Chill for a bit, I guess.

ccdude730
09-10-2006, 04:41 PM
no but we sure could've used Reggie in the backfield......
:hmmm: im not buying that

we tried to run the ball 16 times (for 45 yards, 2.8 avg). convince me how he would have helped. with his speed to the outside against a fast and physical defense?

MrMeToo
09-10-2006, 04:41 PM
Let's face it Reggie would have helped us a lot. We would have had a very dangerous offence. Just imagine Reggie Bush along with Andre and Moulds who were great today.

gg no re
09-10-2006, 04:45 PM
Does Reggie block?

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:47 PM
he couldn't have done worst than Lundy or Morency today....oh and he runs A LOT better

tbell ncsu
09-10-2006, 04:48 PM
What in the Wide World of Sports is Going on Here?
by: Nooch

Mario Bowie was a Bad Pick
May 05, 2006 | 9:55AM

Ordinarily, I would say that the Houston Texans’ selection of Mario Bowie as the #1 overall pick in this year’s NFL Draft was a mistake. Except there was no Mario Bowie in this year’s NFL Draft. Or a Reggie Jordan, for that matter.

Of course, these seemingly minor details have not prevented a slew of people from comparing the 2006 NFL Draft to the 1984 NBA Draft. And in this amalgam-driven comparison NC State defensive end Mario Williams somehow has gotten turned into former Kentucky center Sam Bowie and USC running back Reggie Bush has magically morphed into a skinny junior guard from the University of North Carolina who would go on to become the greatest player in NBA history. And the clock gets turned back 22 years. And the ellipse-shaped ball held onto like grim death by running backs and wideouts gets turned into a giant sphere bounced on the floor by guards and sent rattling through a metal rim by centers and forwards.

This is starting to make my head hurt.

Houston’s selection of Mario Williams (even with incumbent Heisman winner Reggie Bush still clearly on the board) in the 2006 NFL Draft is not tantamount to the Portland Trailblazers’ decision to choose Bowie over Michael Jordan in the 1984 NBA Draft. Period. Fin`e. Th-Tha-That’s all, folks!

Jordan and Bowie were professional basketball players who debuted in the NBA 20 years ago and whose careers have long since been completed. Williams and Bush are about to become professional football players. Neither has played a single down in the NFL. Assessing the relative greatness (or mediocrity) of each at the professional level isn’t even possible yet. So, the whole Reggie=MJ thing must wait.

Thus, the Mario Williams=Sam Bowie equation should also be tabled. Bowie was already injury-prone in college. He missed two full seasons at Kentucky with various leg maladies. So, it was no surprise when his injury problems followed him into the NBA and lead to a star-crossed pro career. Williams, on the other hand, missed exactly ZERO games due to injury during his three-year collegiate career at NC State. And, if the actual draft order plays a part in this, Bowie was not selected #1 overall in 1984, Hakeem Olajuwon was. However, comparing a 21-year-old rookie defensive end to Hakeem Olajuwon makes just about as much sense as comparing him to Sam Bowie. (Interestingly, the true draft order of the respective 2006 NFL and 1984 NBA Drafts would actually turn Bush into Bowie and Vince Young into MJ!)

And if the Williams-Bush, Bowie-Jordan thing can somehow, mercifully, be shown the door, so, too, should any comparison of Reggie Bush to football legends such as Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders and of Mario Williams to Bruce Smith or Reggie White.

What we really have here (you have no idea how tempted I was to say “a failure to communicate,” but in deference and utter respect to the late, great Strother Martin, I shall not) are two supremely gifted athletes who project favorably at the NFL level. Any attempt to qualify those projections by predicting duplicate performances of past NFL greats at this time seems pointless.

If some form of projection at the pro level must be made for Williams and Bush before either has had a chance to have any of his NFL career play out, then a brief look at the production/longevity trend by position is probably in order.

Running backs are the sleek, high-performance engines of the NFL, combining power and speed in nearly equal measure. Their careers tend to burn bright and burn fast. Any slip in either power or speed, and their careers tend to end instantly. Zero to 60 in a blink, and 60 to zero just as fast.

Some want to compare Reggie Bush to Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders. Ok. Sayers was electrifying on the football field. His twisting, slashing runs are the stuff of legend. His career was seven years of blinding intensity and then it was abruptly over. Sanders had an equally fascinating running style, darting and dodging would-be tacklers at will, all the while keeping his powerful but compact 5’8” frame close to the ground. He thrilled fans and perplexed and maddened opponents for ten years before suddenly leaving the game. The image of the star running back is akin to a bolt of lighting: intense, jarring, and gone in an instant.

Conversely, defensive ends are steadier, more methodical. Although they also rely on speed and power, some measure of each can be substituted with superior technique. Thus, their careers tend not to burn quite as fast as running backs. Though, it may also be argued, not nearly as bright, either.

And if comparisons of Mario Williams to Bruce Smith or Reggie White are to be made: Smith played for 19 seasons; White, 15. The current NFL career sack leader Michael Strahan will be entering his 14th NFL season in 2006, and he is still a pass rushing force.

So what does any of this mean? Not much really. Frankly, no one has a clue as to how either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams will perform in the NFL. History tells us that the running back (Bush) is more likely to be flashier and that the defensive end (Williams) is more likely to have a longer career. However, neither factor really indicates if (or by what degree) the Houston Texans made a mistake by drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. And outside of serious Texan fans (and, as by-product of Bush slipping to the 2nd pick, serious New Orleans Saints fans), why does anybody really care if the Texans made a draft pick mistake in the first place?

As for all of that business comparing football players in 2006 to basketball players in 1984, there is this kid, D’Brickashaw Perkins, who pass blocks like nobody’s business and can hit the medium-range jumper with some consistency. But can you believe he was picked 4th, ahead of that ferocious linebacker/rebounding machine AJ Barkley?
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Nooch/NFL_Draft/31913

gg no re
09-10-2006, 04:48 PM
O rly now?

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 04:49 PM
Maybe everyone else will lose in our division today, and we will be tied for first !

The Dream
09-10-2006, 04:50 PM
lol....maybe

tbell ncsu
09-10-2006, 04:54 PM
http://content.ytmnd.com/content/3/4/b/34b4e892144a448601b70d870017890b.gif

BlueThunder
09-10-2006, 04:57 PM
Mario Williams had a terrible day no doubt but this is a learning process.Saying that the whole team had a terrible day against top seed in the strongest division in the NFC.

WERE COMING UP:cowboy1:


11 and 5:redtowel:

tsip
09-10-2006, 05:04 PM
It's going to be interesting to see if Kubiak keeps his word--best players play...

run-david-run
09-10-2006, 05:06 PM
Well the week couldnt start out worse. Losing to the iggles is bad enough.. now we gotta deal with the whiners who get starry eyed looking at stats.

I am going to make a vow.

As of right now, i vow not to take part in any Bush vs. Mario debates on this board until the 2009 season (3 years) when we actually have something worthwhile to talk about.
I second that: I shall not post or read any such subject matter on these boards

TexanSam
09-10-2006, 05:18 PM
Why is it that posters like you (The Dream) and others contribute nothing to the conversation during the preseason and before, but come on here just to hype on Reggie Bush and say how bad Mario Williams is? I remember during the draft, all the Vince Young and Reggie Bush lovers come here to say the Texans are stupid for taking Mario Williams and such talk, but after all the hoopla died down a significant amount then never came back. And now when Mario Williams has a bad first game and Reggie Bush has a good one, you all of a sudden come back?

The Dream
09-10-2006, 05:27 PM
Why is it that posters like you (The Dream) and others contribute nothing to the conversation during the preseason and before, but come on here just to hype on Reggie Bush and say how bad Mario Williams is? I remember during the draft, all the Vince Young and Reggie Bush lovers come here to say the Texans are stupid for taking Mario Williams and such talk, but after all the hoopla died down a significant amount then never came back. And now when Mario Williams has a bad first game and Reggie Bush has a good one, you all of a sudden come back?



^^^I don't start posting in the bullpen thread until the actual season begins......I followed the Texans throughout the whole offseason and caught all but 1 of their preseason games....Williams didn't impress me then and he didn't impress me today....don't give me that crap.

Hardcore Texan
09-10-2006, 05:34 PM
he couldn't have done worst than Lundy or Morency today....oh and he runs A LOT better


you obviously know your football, can you please compare offensive and defensive players again, with an emphasis on stats...:rolleyes:

The Dream
09-10-2006, 05:38 PM
you obviously know your football, can you please compare offensive and defensive players again, with an emphasis on stats

This about impact...and Reggie Bush has and will make a bigger impact than Mario Williams....I think that's fair to say.

Hardcore Texan
09-10-2006, 05:46 PM
This about impact...and Reggie Bush has and will make a bigger impact than Mario Williams....I think that's fair to say.


It is about LONG-term impact, and that is yet to be seen. You don't know Mario is going to suck and Reggie is going to be great. It's all guesswork. Mario needs time to develope at his position, RB's make a quicker impact. And yes Bush is terrific talent, but that doesn't mean Mario isn't. Bush performed well today, but let's see him against a tougher defense. I am not trying to take anything away from him, but I still maintain my faith that Mario is going to develope into a terrific DE, and he did his job today, not a bad "first day at the office" to me.

The Dream
09-10-2006, 05:50 PM
well you're more optimistic than me....I'm not saying that Mario will be totally worthless the rest of his career, but I have yet to see one thing that makes me think he was worth the 1st pick in a loaded draft.

phantom17
09-10-2006, 05:51 PM
[QUOTE=gg no re]In comparison, Julius Peppers' first NFL game kinda sucked. Only 1 assi

This is who people should compare Mario to NOT Reggie Bush! I wonder if the Panthers fans felt the same way about Peppers! I'm sure they felt he was a bust:rolleyes: in his pro debut! We all need to wait at least 2 yrs to label Super Mario a bust or not. Some people expectations are way too high with this team at this point, pls everyone.....chill:gotexans1 !

TheCD
09-10-2006, 05:55 PM
Reggie made a difference today....that is the main point...he's a difference making player.......Mario was awful.


I thought Reggie Bush was supposed to be able to score no matter where he was on the field. I can think of a bunch of players who are just "difference makers" and don't get paid as much as him.


Looks like he's a bust.

The Dream
09-10-2006, 05:56 PM
At least he actually did something to contribute

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 05:59 PM
[QUOTE=gg no re]In comparison, Julius Peppers' first NFL game kinda sucked. Only 1 assi

This is who people should compare Mario to NOT Reggie Bush! I wonder if the Panthers fans felt the same way about Peppers! I'm sure they felt he was a bust:rolleyes: in his pro debut! We all need to wait at least 2 yrs to label Super Mario a bust or not. Some people expectations are way too high with this team at this point, pls everyone.....chill:gotexans1 !

That's what I'm talking about...........:yahoo: :redtowel:

HJam72
09-10-2006, 06:28 PM
In response to the title of this thread, no you're not the only one feeling sick. I'm not exactly sure how much to blame or not blame on Williams, but, regardless of the whole thing with him, our pass rush SUCKED. I don't think I've ever seen a QB with more time to throw than McNabb had and he could've run for more than he threw for! (not counting that one busted play by the safety) I think Babin and Peek underachieved by a landslide in this game, if Peek even played because the guy was invisible!!!

I would like to add that our running game was also a disaster and that had better change or this season is already over. You can't suck at running the ball in this offense and expect to succeed at anything.

On a positive note, I thought Carr would come out and look like a rookie AGAIN, but I was very pleasantly surprised by his performance, especially under the circumstances (no running game). Also, Moulds really is going to help AJ. It's not just a dream.