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LORK 88
09-08-2006, 06:04 PM
HOUSTON VS PHILADELPHIA PREVIEW (http://www.nflfans.com/x/showthread.php?p=86343#post86343)
By Brad Lorkovic (LORK 88)


A new season, a new start; something us Houston fans needed greatly. Ironically, the former SB losers need a fresh start after an injury-riddled 2005 season. Will this be the year Houston steps up to the plate and erases last year, or the year Philly returns to the throne of the NFC East? Maybe neither, maybe both, this game should give everyone a starch indicator.

Houston’s Running Game vs. Philly’s Run D: This is Houston’s main form of offense. If Houston can get their running game going, they can do some damage and control the game. However, with Philly’s tenacious defense, it won’t be easy. This is my main key to the game as this is the only way to keep Philly’s defense in check and honest. The thing about Philly’s D Line is that their not big (not 1 starter over 300 lbs), but more so quick and good at penetrating the O Line. Luckily, Houston’s O line is implementing the Zone Blocking Scheme (ZBS) which should help negate some of their defensive speed.

Houston’s Passing Game vs. Philly’s Pass D: This is where the problems could arise. Remember how I mentioned Philly’s defense as quick and tenacious? Take this in the form of a pass rush, throw in 4 pro bowl caliber Defensive Backs, and add in Jim Johnson’s blitz-crazy schematics and you’ve got what could spell trouble. Good news for us is that this isn’t 2005 and Houston has been running shorter routes that rely on AJ and Moulds doing what they can after the catch. The surprise element in this will be Owen Daniels, Houston’s rookie TE. What hurt us last year was the fact that Capers didn’t believe in TEs as receivers which will help Carr out under immense pressure.

Philly’s Rushing Game vs. Houston’s Run D: The theme of our D line on running plays will be strength with every single one of our D Linemen over 285 lbs, and for good reason. Every single starting O Linemen for Philly is over 320 lbs. While Philly isn’t much of a running team, Reid has vowed to run the ball more. The biggest question about this is Westbrook; he’s never carried more than 200 times in a season. However, that problem will re-arise later in the season, until then Houston’s biggest problem is containing Westbrook. As long as he doesn’t bounce outside where he can use his shiftiness, Houston can reduce the threat of his big play ability and hopefully stop him in the middle.

Philly’s Passing Game vs. Houston’s Pass D: Here’s where our defense needs to step up and show everyone that it’s changed for the good. On passing plays, it gets extremely fast with its choice of several former 3-4 OLBs, Mario, Weaver, Travis Johnson, and Seth Payne. Putting pressure on McNabb will be critical as our DBs are our weak spot on our D. If McNabb’s O Line can provide enough protection, expect our DBs to get picked apart. Dunta Robinson is the obvious leader of it, but there’s plenty of question marks everyone else. With plenty of receiving options for McSoup (only kidding Iggles), the lack of pressure will spell the end for Houston.


Position Battle
QB Advantage: PHILLY
RB Advantage: PUSH
WR Advantage: HOUSTON
TE Advantage: PHILLY
OL Advantage: PHILLY
DL Advantage: PHILLY
LB Advantage: PHILLY
CB Advantage: PHILLY
S Advantage: PHILLY
K/P Advantage: PHILLY


Key Factors To The Game
1) In my opinion, the team that can have the effective running game has a huge advantage. It’s not a knock against McNabb or Carr, but whoever can keep the other team’s defense honest, has the best advantage on offense for the simple fact that passing lanes will open up. If Houston or Philly can’t get their running game going, the other has the advantage and I expect that team to win.

2) Pass rush. It’s imperative that Houston gets pressure on McNabb so he doesn’t have time to pass. With all of his receiving threats, the more time he has to throw, the more time he has to beat you with his arm. It’s also huge that Houston stops Jim Johnson’s defense and the blitzes he loves to call. Only 2 players are starting from Houston’s horrid O Line, but a new system is in place that masks player’s weaknesses. Will it be enough or will it look like last year?

3) How fitting is it that the 3rd key to the game be about 3rd down? It’s the most important down in the game, but who converts more is the challenge. Last year, Philly was 29th in 3rd down conversions with a pitiful 32.7%. Not much better was Houston who was 26th in the league with a 34.2%. Whoever can string longer drives together will have the obvious advantage.

4) Philly this game is starting 0 rookies as expected. Houston on the other hand is starting 5 rookies out of a possible 6 currently on their 53 man roster. Those 5 are DE Mario Williams, MLB DeMeco Ryans, LT Charles Spencer, TE Owen Daniels, and RB Wali Lundy. On the positive side, Philly doesn’t know what to expect from the rookies. They could come out and just completely shine and surprise people. On the negative side however, rookies are rookies so you can expect some mistakes to be made. How the rookies play will be a huge theme not only this game, but all season long.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-08-2006, 06:34 PM
Pretty nice write up.

I don't see how you can call TE a push though. THe Eagles have a top 10 TE in LJ Smith, and one of the best backups in Schobel.

I'd also like to point out that the Eagles DID IN FACT run the ball very well prior to 2004. TO was the main reason we got away from the run. We will go back to the 3 headed monster system we used in 03 this year. Westy doesn't have to get 25 carries, because we have guys like Buckhalter, Moats, and Perry backing him up. We can run all 4 of those guys, keep them all fresh, and wear down a defense with nearly 1700 pounds from OT to OT.

RiotCommander
09-08-2006, 06:47 PM
Pretty nice write up.

I don't see how you can call TE a push though. THe Eagles have a top 10 TE in LJ Smith, and one of the best backups in Schobel.

I'd also like to point out that the Eagles DID IN FACT run the ball very well prior to 2004. TO was the main reason we got away from the run. We will go back to the 3 headed monster system we used in 03 this year. Westy doesn't have to get 25 carries, because we have guys like Buckhalter, Moats, and Perry backing him up. We can run all 4 of those guys, keep them all fresh, and wear down a defense with nearly 1700 pounds from OT to OT.

I regardless of how much kool-aid I drink picked the Eagles as slight favorites to win this game. Making myself stick to that is difficult. However, your focusing on the wrong side of the ball. I think the Texans O vs Eagles D is where the game will be decided.

Right now I don't see anything special in the Eagles rushing attack, but Westbrook is a very dangerous threat in the open field. I often compare Reggie Bush to him because I think they're a lot alike. The WRs are inexperienced, and may not be fully gelled with McNabb yet.

Oh as for the TE situation the Eagles do have the edge there, with the receiving aspect of L.J. Smith. However We have Owen Daniels (rookie with great hands, still yet to see if he can do the same in reg season). And two great blocking TEs.

On the other side of the ball we have a very formidable Eagles Defense against the biggest question mark of the season for the Texans. I will leave the dead horse alone to keep this thread into turning into something I'm tired of.

Vinny
09-08-2006, 11:18 PM
nice effort Lork...I wouldn't call the TE a push either...this is advantage Eagles imo.

Weigert vs Kearse is problematic. I see a massive advantage for the Eagles here as Weigert doesn't really have the lateral movement to contain Javon. For some reason I'm not as worried about Spencer.

Westbrook vs any linebacker or Brown is advantage Eagles too. I expect Westbrook to light us up in space.

I think the Eagles will run effectively against our left side Sunday behind Andrews and Runyon. We will have two rookies and Orr over there. TJ and Mario look good in space running to the ball but they will be a liability when you run straight at them. Advantage Eagles

28-20 Eagles

threetoedpete
09-08-2006, 11:42 PM
Texans 34- Eagles 17.

Just wanted to get it on a thread somewhere, and I didn't see anyone else post it.

Congrates Fred Weary on the start. Hard work pays off. I'm pulling for you to hold it and play well this season.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-09-2006, 11:08 AM
I regardless of how much kool-aid I drink picked the Eagles as slight favorites to win this game. Making myself stick to that is difficult. However, your focusing on the wrong side of the ball. I think the Texans O vs Eagles D is where the game will be decided.

Right now I don't see anything special in the Eagles rushing attack, but Westbrook is a very dangerous threat in the open field. I often compare Reggie Bush to him because I think they're a lot alike. The WRs are inexperienced, and may not be fully gelled with McNabb yet.

Oh as for the TE situation the Eagles do have the edge there, with the receiving aspect of L.J. Smith. However We have Owen Daniels (rookie with great hands, still yet to see if he can do the same in reg season). And two great blocking TEs.

On the other side of the ball we have a very formidable Eagles Defense against the biggest question mark of the season for the Texans. I will leave the dead horse alone to keep this thread into turning into something I'm tired of.

I agree with you on everything you said, except for the "nothing special in the run game". Andrews is probably the best run blocking RG in the NFL. Jackson is a monster at center, and if you lok at last year, our run game became very formidable once he entered the lineup. From center to RT we should be able to run at will. Plus I don't think most people recognize just how good of a back Correll Buckhalter is. I mean, the guy was supposed to be our starter before he got injured - not Westbrook.

The Bush-Westbrook comparison is a very good one. Same kind of skill set. Westbrook is a much better pass blocker, and runs better routes. Bush is the better natural athlete. I might give a slight edge to Westbrook in hands as well, just because he's proven that he can go over the middle from the slot position and hold onto the ball.

I have said many times that the Texans CAN have success against our defense, but 2 things have to happen. First, their OL needs to be decent and not get smoked by the Eagles Dline. Second, they need to run, a lot, but do so against our OLBs, and NOT the midle of our D.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-09-2006, 11:12 AM
nice effort Lork...I wouldn't call the TE a push either...this is advantage Eagles imo.

Weigert vs Kearse is problematic. I see a massive advantage for the Eagles here as Weigert doesn't really have the lateral movement to contain Javon. For some reason I'm not as worried about Spencer.

Westbrook vs any linebacker or Brown is advantage Eagles too. I expect Westbrook to light us up in space.

I think the Eagles will run effectively against our left side Sunday behind Andrews and Runyon. We will have two rookies and Orr over there. TJ and Mario look good in space running to the ball but they will be a liability when you run straight at them. Advantage Eagles

28-20 Eagles

That's as realisti and unbiased a post as I have ever seen on a MB. Kudos to you.

I think what some Teans fans need to understand is that this year your throwing a lot of young guys to the fire. It's going to pay divdends next year, but it will hurt you this season.

Brandon420tx
09-09-2006, 11:33 AM
I regardless of how much kool-aid I drink picked the Eagles as slight favorites to win this game. Making myself stick to that is difficult. However, your focusing on the wrong side of the ball. I think the Texans O vs Eagles D is where the game will be decided.

Right now I don't see anything special in the Eagles rushing attack, but Westbrook is a very dangerous threat in the open field. I often compare Reggie Bush to him because I think they're a lot alike. The WRs are inexperienced, and may not be fully gelled with McNabb yet.

Oh as for the TE situation the Eagles do have the edge there, with the receiving aspect of L.J. Smith. However We have Owen Daniels (rookie with great hands, still yet to see if he can do the same in reg season). And two great blocking TEs.

On the other side of the ball we have a very formidable Eagles Defense against the biggest question mark of the season for the Texans. I will leave the dead horse alone to keep this thread into turning into something I'm tired of.

Are you counting Jeb Putzier as the other great blocking TE, or Joppru?

and as far as comparing Bush to Westbrook

Westbrook > Bush for one simply reason, Westy will run between the tackles and he will also try to run through people.

I don't know why so many people knock on Buckhalter. (My guess is his average madden ratings) When he's not shattered glass, the guy is the type of RB we wanted out of A. Smith. A pounder, but whats special about him is after he pounds it, he can turn on the speed, very dangerous combination.

nice effort Lork...I wouldn't call the TE a push either...this is advantage Eagles imo.

Weigert vs Kearse is problematic. I see a massive advantage for the Eagles here as Weigert doesn't really have the lateral movement to contain Javon. For some reason I'm not as worried about Spencer.

Westbrook vs any linebacker or Brown is advantage Eagles too. I expect Westbrook to light us up in space.

I think the Eagles will run effectively against our left side Sunday behind Andrews and Runyon. We will have two rookies and Orr over there. TJ and Mario look good in space running to the ball but they will be a liability when you run straight at them. Advantage Eagles

28-20 Eagles

I thought Weaver was the LDE and Mario was the RDE

and Go Texans :texflag:

Ibar_Harry
09-09-2006, 11:38 AM
I think unfortunately for us, even though I have said we win by a little bit, is the containment of McNabb and the kicking game. We have to keep Philly far enough away that the kicking game doesn't become a factor. McNabb hurts you when he has the ability to move around and buy time. Our DE's must contain and then pressure has to come up the middle while avoiding big running gains. A fifteen yard difference in the kicking game is a big one and can not be overlooked.

LORK 88
09-09-2006, 03:39 PM
nice effort Lork...I wouldn't call the TE a push either...this is advantage Eagles imo.
Typo on my part. I have a template for this to make it easy on myself as ill be doing this for the next 16 weeks or so, but its been changed.

In all reality tho, I do think it will be a game decided by 7 points or less. Its the 1st game of the season so anything can happen. Any given Sunday right?

Double Barrel
09-09-2006, 03:44 PM
That's as realisti and unbiased a post as I have ever seen on a MB. Kudos to you.

I think what some Teans fans need to understand is that this year your throwing a lot of young guys to the fire. It's going to pay divdends next year, but it will hurt you this season.

Always count on Vinny for a good analytical [non-biased] take. :thumbup

I agree with you about paying dividends in the future. You simply cannot expect five rookies starting their first game to play perfect, and the Eagles are a veteran team with an attitude this year. I think we'll put up a good fight, though, which is the main thing that I want to see from them. Fire and a desire to win is the foundation to build success upon.

CloakNNNdagger
09-09-2006, 04:05 PM
With even the most modest of pressure by our D, taking into account Philly's receiver corps limitations, their RB talent and McNabbs' historical patterns, I believe that McNabb will try to dink and dunk us to death before he ever resorts to airing things out too often.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-09-2006, 06:03 PM
With even the most modest of pressure by our D, taking into account Philly's receiver corps limitations, their RB talent and McNabbs' historical patterns, I believe that McNabb will try to dink and dunk us to death before he ever resorts to airing things out too often.

What limitations do we have at WR? We have two really good young, explosive guys in Brown and Stallworth. We've got one of the most explosive recieving TEs in the NFL. We've got two great looking rookies, and a Super Bowl team proven 3rd WR.

At least point to something. Do you think our WRs are slow? Do you think they lack athleticism? Size? Or do you watch NFL Prime Time on ESPN?

And what is wrong with our RB talent? We have a pro-bowler in Westbrook who gets 4.5-5 yards a carry. And he's not een our best pure runner, Buckhalter is. But I'm pretty sure you don't know a thing about him, since no one with a clue would question his talent. Hell, our 3rd back averaged 5 yards a carry last year as a rookie starter at the end of the season.

With our OL, McNabb will have all the time in the world to pass.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-09-2006, 06:06 PM
Oh, and how in the heck s RB a push?

We have a pro-bowler. The Texans have a 6th round rookie and Ron Dayne.

Push? Sorry, I don't think so.

LORK 88
09-09-2006, 07:33 PM
Oh, and how in the heck s RB a push?

We have a pro-bowler. The Texans have a 6th round rookie and Ron Dayne.

Push? Sorry, I don't think so.
Westbrook a pro bowler? The dude has never had more than 850 yards rushing in his career. Yes, he gets alot of receptions, but if you add up both rushing and receiving, 12 RBs had more rushing yards alone last year. He's good, but dont tout him as a pro bowler. Lundy and Morency will get it done by committee with some help from Dayne. Buckhalter struggles staying healthy, and Mahe is strictly a return guy (hes doubtful this week anyways). Houston's new Zone Blocking Scheme makes RBs look better and masks weaknesses.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-09-2006, 08:58 PM
Westbrook a pro bowler? The dude has never had more than 850 yards rushing in his career. Yes, he gets alot of receptions, but if you add up both rushing and receiving, 12 RBs had more rushing yards alone last year. He's good, but dont tout him as a pro bowler. Lundy and Morency will get it done by committee with some help from Dayne. Buckhalter struggles staying healthy, and Mahe is strictly a return guy (hes doubtful this week anyways). Houston's new Zone Blocking Scheme makes RBs look better and masks weaknesses.

1) He is a pro-bowler.

2) Since he became a full time starter, he has only ever played 13 or fewer regular season games. In 2004 because we sat all of our starters for 2 games at the end of the season, and in 2005 because he was hurt. Plus he doesn't get nearly the number of carries as most people that have more yards.

3) Why is it a minus that Westy catches a lot of passes at 10 yards a pop? It's funny - Marshall Faulk got praised for it. RReggie Bush gets praised for it. But yet somehow it's bad that Westbrook does it? Give me a freaking break.

4) If you wouldn't trade any RB you are suiting up this sunday for Westbrook, you are beyond a stupid homer - you would enter the level of mentally retarded and thus shoud not even be attempting to argue football. You better believe that Kubiac would JUMP at the chance to replace the garbage you have back there with Westbrook.

5) Buckhalter is better then any RB you have on your team as well.

6) Moats is better then any RB on the Texans.

7) We are talking about RUNNING BACKS, NOT THE OFFENSIVE LINE. Thats why their is a whole other catagory for OL, which we win as well FYI.

Bottom line:

Westbrook is FAR AND AWAY better then anyone on the Texans this sunday, there for, this is not a "push" but a clear advantage for the Eagles.

Wolf
09-09-2006, 09:00 PM
I am still waiting from R bush and his 10 yards a pop

Wolf
09-09-2006, 09:02 PM
4) If you wouldn't trade any RB you are suiting up this sunday for Westbrook, you are beyond a stupid homer - you would enter the level of mentally retarded and thus shoud not even be attempting to argue football. You better believe that Kubiac would JUMP at the chance to replace the garbage you have back there with Westbrook.
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So you talked to Kubiak on that one? He didn't jump at Bush why would he jump at Westbrook?

Jerome_Brown_99
09-09-2006, 09:08 PM
So you talked to Kubiak on that one? He didn't jump at Bush why would he jump at Westbrook?

You don't think he would trade Dayne for Reggie Bush? Or Lundy for Bush? Or Morency for Bush? Seriously :ok:

Taking a RB with the first overall pick and trading a bunch of nobodys for the most talented RB prospect since Marshall Faulk are two different things.

Kubiak would trade any RB we'll see tomorow for Westbrook in a nanosecond. It wouldn't even be a consideration on his part. He'd scream yes and hope to God the offer wasn't recinded.

The fact that I even have to tell you this is sad and pathetic.

TFL
09-09-2006, 09:15 PM
You don't think he would trade Dayne for Reggie Bush? Or Lundy for Bush? Or Morency for Bush? Seriously :ok:

Taking a RB with the first overall pick and trading a bunch of nobodys for the most talented RB prospect since Marshall Faulk are two different things.

Kubiak would trade any RB we'll see tomorow for Westbrook in a nanosecond. It wouldn't even be a consideration on his part. He'd scream yes and hope to God the offer wasn't recinded.

The fact that I even have to tell you this is sad and pathetic.


Not if he did not fit our running style now i am not saying westbrook does not becuase i have not really seen him that much cuase i don't get many philly games where I live or it's when the Texans or playing.

But anyways if the RB does not fit his system he would not want him.

Kaiser Toro
09-09-2006, 09:22 PM
I think unfortunately for us, even though I have said we win by a little bit, is the containment of McNabb and the kicking game. We have to keep Philly far enough away that the kicking game doesn't become a factor. McNabb hurts you when he has the ability to move around and buy time. Our DE's must contain and then pressure has to come up the middle while avoiding big running gains. A fifteen yard difference in the kicking game is a big one and can not be overlooked.

Mr. Harry, tear down that Avatar.

mexican_texan
09-09-2006, 10:03 PM
1) He is a pro-bowler.

2) Since he became a full time starter, he has only ever played 13 or fewer regular season games. In 2004 because we sat all of our starters for 2 games at the end of the season, and in 2005 because he was hurt. Plus he doesn't get nearly the number of carries as most people that have more yards.

3) Why is it a minus that Westy catches a lot of passes at 10 yards a pop? It's funny - Marshall Faulk got praised for it. RReggie Bush gets praised for it. But yet somehow it's bad that Westbrook does it? Give me a freaking break.

4) If you wouldn't trade any RB you are suiting up this sunday for Westbrook, you are beyond a stupid homer - you would enter the level of mentally retarded and thus shoud not even be attempting to argue football. You better believe that Kubiac would JUMP at the chance to replace the garbage you have back there with Westbrook.

5) Buckhalter is better then any RB you have on your team as well.

6) Moats is better then any RB on the Texans.

7) We are talking about RUNNING BACKS, NOT THE OFFENSIVE LINE. Thats why their is a whole other catagory for OL, which we win as well FYI.

Bottom line:

Westbrook is FAR AND AWAY better then anyone on the Texans this sunday, there for, this is not a "push" but a clear advantage for the Eagles.
1) He's not a Pro Bowl running back, but a Pro Bowl weapon.

2) There's a reason for that.

3) It's not a minus, but he is known for his catching more than his rushing ability.

4) Think of us as the Broncos, certain running backs can be popped in and rush for 1,000 yards. Westbrook wouldn't be much of an upgrade over a healthy Domanick Davis.

5) I don't think so, but then again, its been a while since I've seen him play.

6) Yet he has similar stats to Vernand Morency...hmmm...

7) Once again, think of us as the Broncos. We have their system, with a few plays from Mike Sherman(plays that made Ahman Green successful.)

Wolf
09-09-2006, 10:10 PM
You don't think he would trade Dayne for Reggie Bush? Or Lundy for Bush? Or Morency for Bush? Seriously :ok:

Taking a RB with the first overall pick and trading a bunch of nobodys for the most talented RB prospect since Marshall Faulk are two different things.

Kubiak would trade any RB we'll see tomorow for Westbrook in a nanosecond. It wouldn't even be a consideration on his part. He'd scream yes and hope to God the offer wasn't recinded.

The fact that I even have to tell you this is sad and pathetic.
sure having a westbrook would be a nice addition for any team, yeah, if we could trade "a bunch of nobodys" for him he would, but real world (not madden) is that wouldn't happen.

The Pencil Neck
09-09-2006, 11:40 PM
Oh, and how in the heck s RB a push?

We have a pro-bowler. The Texans have a 6th round rookie and Ron Dayne.

Push? Sorry, I don't think so.

You really over-estimate how good Bryan Westbrook is. Going to the pro bowl is a popularity contest. Sure, he went to a pro-bowl in 2004 but that was because he was on a winning team and he put up good overall numbers. He had 812 yards rushing and 703 yards receiving (1515 yards total) and scored 9 TD's. That same year, Domanick Davis had 1188 yards rushing, 588 yards receiving (1776 yards total), and 14 TD's but he didn't go to the pro bowl because he was on a losing team and there were other RB's that were better known in the AFC.

In a 5 year career, Westbrook has 3972 yards from scrimmage and DD has 4471 in 3 years.

Westbrook=overrated.

I lived in PA for a few years and I remember how Buckhalter was always hyped. Every year. What has he done in his career? Out of the 5 years he's been in the league, he's played 2. He's got a little over 1300 yards from scrimmage his entire career. He hasn't played in 2 years. He's functionally little better than a rookie.

We've got 2 unproven RB's. Honestly, we have no idea what our team is at this point. We hope that Kubiak will be able to create the same magic he created in Denver. If he can, then those two unproven kids could get a thousand a piece this year.

So... yeah, I'd say it's a push.

kingh99
09-10-2006, 12:22 AM
1) He is a pro-bowler.

2) Since he became a full time starter, he has only ever played 13 or fewer regular season games. In 2004 because we sat all of our starters for 2 games at the end of the season, and in 2005 because he was hurt. Plus he doesn't get nearly the number of carries as most people that have more yards.

3) Why is it a minus that Westy catches a lot of passes at 10 yards a pop? It's funny - Marshall Faulk got praised for it. RReggie Bush gets praised for it. But yet somehow it's bad that Westbrook does it? Give me a freaking break.

4) If you wouldn't trade any RB you are suiting up this sunday for Westbrook, you are beyond a stupid homer - you would enter the level of mentally retarded and thus shoud not even be attempting to argue football. You better believe that Kubiac would JUMP at the chance to replace the garbage you have back there with Westbrook.

5) Buckhalter is better then any RB you have on your team as well.

6) Moats is better then any RB on the Texans.

7) We are talking about RUNNING BACKS, NOT THE OFFENSIVE LINE. Thats why their is a whole other catagory for OL, which we win as well FYI.

Bottom line:

Westbrook is FAR AND AWAY better then anyone on the Texans this sunday, there for, this is not a "push" but a clear advantage for the Eagles.

One should be careful to assume past laurels will carry the day.

CloakNNNdagger
09-10-2006, 12:32 AM
What limitations do we have at WR? We have two really good young, explosive guys in Brown and Stallworth. We've got one of the most explosive recieving TEs in the NFL. We've got two great looking rookies, and a Super Bowl team proven 3rd WR.

At least point to something. Do you think our WRs are slow? Do you think they lack athleticism? Size? Or do you watch NFL Prime Time on ESPN?

And what is wrong with our RB talent? We have a pro-bowler in Westbrook who gets 4.5-5 yards a carry. And he's not een our best pure runner, Buckhalter is. But I'm pretty sure you don't know a thing about him, since no one with a clue would question his talent. Hell, our 3rd back averaged 5 yards a carry last year as a rookie starter at the end of the season. Likewise, how successful the other WRs do in tandem with Stalworth is to be seen. Likewise, how successful the other WRs are in tandem with Stalworth is yet to be seen.

With our OL, McNabb will have all the time in the world to pass.


The RB question has already been answered by others.

As concerns the WR corps, TO accounted for a great amount of the passing success last year. Attention given to him by the D's opened up the game to the other receivers and inflated their relative numbers. TO is no longer there. Granted Stalworth has been a good WR with NO who had no one else to speak of. How he does in the Philly system this year is far from proven. Likewise, how successful the other WRs are in tandem with Stalworth is also yet to be seen.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-10-2006, 12:41 AM
Jerome, one thing in question for Philly is Westbrook's durability, can he and will he stay healthy this season, as for knocking Lundy and Dayne, don't forget Morency, Philly will be in for a big surprise today, against these 3 backs, the Domanick Davis days are over, there is no one back just to key on a entire game, I belive we will see our share of all 3 hammering the ball.....anyway after Texans beat the Eagles today good luck with the rest of the season, and please beat the Cowboys bad.......real bad

Jerome_Brown_99
09-10-2006, 01:26 AM
You really over-estimate how good Bryan
In a 5 year career, Westbrook has 3972 yards from scrimmage and DD has 4471 in 3 years.

Westbrook=overrated.

I lived in PA for a few years and I remember how Buckhalter was always hyped. Every year. What has he done in his career? Out of the 5 years he's been in the league, he's played 2. He's got a little over 1300 yards from scrimmage his entire career. He hasn't played in 2 years. He's functionally little better than a rookie.

We've got 2 unproven RB's. Honestly, we have no idea what our team is at this point. We hope that Kubiak will be able to create the same magic he created in Denver. If he can, then those two unproven kids could get a thousand a piece this year.

So... yeah, I'd say it's a push.

You put too much importance on stats buddy.

You see, if Westbrook or Buck were given the ball 25 times a game, they'd have big numbers too. The fact is that they play in a pass first offense that rotated RBs.

As for Buckhalter, WATCH HIM PLAY. When he's actually playing, the guy is a REALLY REALLY good back. He's got size, speed, power, and moves. He's a VERY good player. His only big weakness is he has had injury problems.

Again, you are beyond an idiotic homer if you think ANY running back playing for you tomorow is any where NEAR Westbroks level.

Ask any DC in the NFL - when they play the Eagles, they scheme to stop Westbrook. Not Owens in 04/05, not Duce in 03, not McNabb - WESTBROOK.

The guy is simply one of the single most dangerous players in the NFL. Sure, he usually only gets about 15 caries a game. But he also gets another 50 or so yards in the air.

But no, with your retarded logic, 2 complete unknowns and one known BUST are equal to one of the best players in the NFL.

Westbrook isn't over rated... He;s UNDER rated. The proof is in the respect he gets from actual NFL coaches. EVERY teams defensive plan starts out with controling Westbrook. The Pats didn't give a toot about Owens in the SB - they focused everything on Westy. Same with every other team.

Frankly, if Westbrook were on your team, he'd be the single best player on your team. Offense or defense. Case closed.

And BTW, if DD was actually playing tomorow, then I would agree with a push. DD is a very good back. But to say that Ron Dayne, Lundy, or Morency are any where even near the same level as Westbrook just proves that you have the football IQ of a Falcons fan.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-10-2006, 01:35 AM
Jerome, one thing in question for Philly is Westbrook's durability, can he and will he stay healthy this season, as for knocking Lundy and Dayne, don't forget Morency, Philly will be in for a big surprise today, against these 3 backs, the Domanick Davis days are over, there is no one back just to key on a entire game, I belive we will see our share of all 3 hammering the ball.....anyway after Texans beat the Eagles today good luck with the rest of the season, and please beat the Cowboys bad.......real bad

I don't see how Westbrooks durability is a concern for tomorows game. Hes completely healthy and starting. Thus, advantage at RB goes to the Eagles. In fact, I believe it is the TEXANS feature back that has the injury problems right now, as you alluded to.

And don't worry, the Eagles have an average margine of victory over the Cowboys of something like 20 points this decade. We will smack them around worse then the beatdown of the Texans you will witness tomorow.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-10-2006, 01:39 AM
As concerns the WR corps, TO accounted for a great amount of the passing success last year. Attention given to him by the D's opened up the game to the other receivers and inflated their relative numbers. TO is no longer there. Granted Stalworth has been a good WR with NO who had no one else to speak of. How he does in the Philly system this year is far from proven. Likewise, how successful the other WRs are in tandem with Stalworth is also yet to be seen.

Brown got almost all of his catches AFTER Owens was suspended.

And BTW, look at McNabbs last 10 games of the 2003 season and compare them with his 2004 season.

What you will find is that he performed equally as well without Owens as he did with him.

The real key for our passing attack is a healtyh McNabb. He can tear teams apart with garbage at WR - he did so for 4 straight years. The fact that he actually has a half dozen legit weapons is all the more reason to expect a great passing offense from the Eagles this year.

LORK 88
09-10-2006, 03:05 AM
1) He is a pro-bowler.
What year was this? That statement is equivalent to ESPN calling Reggie Bush a Hall Of Famer.

2) Since he became a full time starter, he has only ever played 13 or fewer regular season games. In 2004 because we sat all of our starters for 2 games at the end of the season, and in 2005 because he was hurt. Plus he doesn't get nearly the number of carries as most people that have more yards. 3) Why is it a minus that Westy catches a lot of passes at 10 yards a pop? It's funny - Marshall Faulk got praised for it. RReggie Bush gets praised for it. But yet somehow it's bad that Westbrook does it? Give me a freaking break.
Faulk also ran for 1000 yards a season like it was nothing. Im not criticizing Westbrook for it, im criticizing him on how his rushing and receiving yards dont even add up to some RBs rushing totals alone. Speaking of which, faulk would rush for about 1200 yards a season (what Westbrook gets with receiving and rushing total) and would also get another 600 receiving.

4) If you wouldn't trade any RB you are suiting up this sunday for Westbrook, you are beyond a stupid homer - you would enter the level of mentally retarded and thus shoud not even be attempting to argue football. You better believe that Kubiac would JUMP at the chance to replace the garbage you have back there with Westbrook.
Of course we would, but thats not what Im saying. Hell, thats like me asking if you would trade Westbrook for LT. The point your missing is that the positional battles are about 3 things: talent, depth, and stats. Westbrook has more talent obviously, I give stats to Houston, and depth is somewhere in the middle.

5) Buckhalter is better then any RB you have on your team as well. 6) Moats is better then any RB on the Texans.
He's mised 3 out of 5 seasons to injuries and thats more of wishful thinking. Next thing you'll try and tell me that Philly has better WRs. :homer:

The Pencil Neck
09-10-2006, 03:12 AM
You put too much importance on stats buddy.

You see, if Westbrook or Buck were given the ball 25 times a game, they'd have big numbers too. The fact is that they play in a pass first offense that rotated RBs.

blah blah blah


It doesn't matter WHY your running backs don't produce just THAT they don't produce. There's nothing wrong with being a homer. Just accept it, admit it, and move on.

The Pencil Neck
09-10-2006, 03:18 AM
What year was this? That statement is equivalent to ESPN calling Reggie Bush a Hall Of Famer.

2004. 800 yards rushing, 700 yards receiving, 9 td's.

He was like 15th in rushing in the NFC, 29th in the NFL. Because he was on a successful team, he got to go to the ProBowl. Total gyp.

Vinny
09-10-2006, 06:20 AM
I hate to break this to the Texan fans...but Brian Westbrook is a hell of a back.

aj.
09-10-2006, 06:43 AM
Um...that's hardly breaking news. He's my #2 fantasy back today (behind Tomlinson) - for good reason.

Vinny
09-10-2006, 06:54 AM
I'm pretty excited about the game today. Some of the mods are going to meet at section 108 at halftime to chat about the first half if anyone is close and interested in a quick meet and greet before the 3rd quarter. Nobody should go out of their way...as halftime goes by in dog years.

:fans:

http://www.houstontexans.com/uploaded/pdfs/price_guides.pdf

Vambo, the Marble Eye
09-10-2006, 07:41 AM
If we win, do you figure at least 90% of naysayers in this thread will probably say a Texans victory was a fluke? Obviously, no effort will change the opinions of those crippled with a loser mentality applied to forecasting the outcome of a game...that can only offer rationalizations on a Texans message board that they are "just being realistic". To some, this constant negativity serves to comfort failure. Obviously, such mentalities ignore the reason to play the game in the first place

Here is an idea for today;

-we should forget all the moves in the off season, training camp activities, trades and pre-season outcomes....and watch the game.
-we should reject convictions that everybody is going to beat the Texans (except maybe the Redskins?)... and watch the game
-we go to a game where we have some hope that our defense is improved a bizzillon % from last year...
-we watch an offense that should at least challenge the Eagles defense to show up with an effort.
-we see if Coach Kubiak can put the Texans in the most favorable position to win,
-we wonder if the crowd noise will contribute to a delay of game penalty
-we watch our players execute ... (especially the rookies)

Oh Boy the season has started! Do I think the Texans are going to win? "I hope so"... and that is why I am going to the game.

Vinny
09-10-2006, 07:47 AM
If we win, do you figure at least 90% of naysayers in this thread will probably say a Texans victory was a fluke? Obviously, no effort will change the opinions of those crippled with a loser mentality applied to forecasting the outcome of a game...that can only offer rationalizations on a Texans message board that they are "just being realistic". To some, this constant negativity serves to comfort failure. Obviously, such mentalities ignore the reason to play the game in the first place some of us are fans of the league and just give our realistic vision of what we perceive around the NFL. Just because we share our thoughts it doesn't mean we have a loser mentality. I would like to see us win as much as you do....hell, most of the reason I run this board is because I love the NFL. I hate following a losing team as much as anyone...but that doesn't mean I'm a blind homer.

Maddict5
09-10-2006, 08:16 AM
But no, with your retarded logic, 2 complete unknowns and one known BUST are equal to one of the best players in the NFL.

Westbrook isn't over rated... He;s UNDER rated. The proof is in the respect he gets from actual NFL coaches. EVERY teams defensive plan starts out with controling Westbrook. The Pats didn't give a toot about Owens in the SB - they focused everything on Westy. Same with every other team.


hmmm..so by your 'retarded' logic, mike vick is a pro-bowl qb......im only half joking by the way....:challenge


and the thing about unknowns is that they're..........UNKNOWN...so yes 2 unknowns may be better than westbrook....personally i dont think so but its possible- and i think you are overrating a good back