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hollywood_texan
09-06-2006, 02:00 PM
You guys have to read this.

I know the Reggie thing is way overcooked. But this guy went way over the top at ESPN and he needs to be remembered at the end of the season as well as several years later.

He is actually claiming Reggie Bush is to the NFL what Michael Jordan was to the NBA.

His name is Bill Simmons and here is what he wrote:


To the Texans. First, they passed on the next Gale Sayers (Reggie Bush) to take a project defensive lineman (Mario Williams) and nearly caused a riot with their beleaguered fan base. Then they explained their mind-set by saying, "We need help on defense, we don't need a running back when we already have Dominick Davis," which was like Vanity Fair passing up a chance to run the Suri Cruise photos because they were already locked into a photo spread with Gwyneth Paltrow's second kid. Then they dumped GM Charlie Casserly, which always makes your fans feel good when you follow up the biggest decision in franchise history by immediately firing the guy who made it. Then Davis' knee problems grew worse and worse, culminating in his getting placed on injured reserve this week. Then somebody named Wali Lundy was named the starting running back for Week 1. And this entire sequence unfolded in the span of five months.

So why am I giving the Texans a thumbs up? Because it took 21 years, but we finally have a scenario that knocks Bowie-over-MJ off the board. See, Portland taking Sam Bowie was at least SOMEWHAT defensible -- nobody knew MJ would be a superduperstar, they had Clyde Drexler (a future Hall of Famer) playing the same position, and everyone forgets this, but Sam Bowie would have been an All-Star center if he stayed healthy. In fact, when he was healthy during the 1985-86 season, the Blazers gave the World Champion Celtics (who ended up going 82-18) more trouble than anyone -- they even were the only team to win in the Garden that season, and Bird had to toss up 49 points, a game-tying shot in regulation and a game-winner in OT just to fend them off in Portland. Sam Bowie was no joke. The guy was good. And by the way, the Rockets also passed on MJ for Hakeem. Nobody remembers that part.

Who needs Reggie Bush when you can just give the ball to Wali Lundy?
Look, I'm not condoning the move -- Portland should have taken MJ. But the Blazers' logic for taking Bowie was, at the very least, understandable. Houston's logic was never understandable; the Texans' decision to pass on Bush was shockingly brainless from the moment it happened, if only because you can't disappoint your fans to that degree unless there's a really, really, REALLY good reason. Now it looks like the dumbest sports decision of the past 25 years … and that's before we find out Reggie Bush's ceiling, both as an impact running back and personality. I just find the whole thing to be amazing. In a weird way, I'm glad it happened. Incompetence is always more interesting than competence. So thumbs up, Houston Texans. Well done. You're the sports version of Enron.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060906

Doom Capers
09-06-2006, 02:06 PM
This guy is an idiot. Agreed?

Vinny
09-06-2006, 02:09 PM
links with cutnpastes please. Bill Simmons writes humor/reaction pieces...this is par for his course.

NEROtheZERO
09-06-2006, 02:10 PM
There are so many assumptions and so much erroneous information in that article that I cannot believe it was published. I will be sure to stear clear of Bill Simmons articles for now on (though I don't pay much attention to ESPN in the first place.)

Wolf
09-06-2006, 02:11 PM
that pretty much is the reason I don't root for reggie bush on the field.
Mj? who knows if he would have become the player he was if he was drafted by portland..Clyde was the man there. Look at Priest holmes.. didnt' do much at Baltimore, yet with the chiefs, he tore it up.He found a coach that had a system for him to thrive in.


Casserly? everyone (except the brainacs at ESPN)knew he was gone after the draft, heck someone on here put a thread up that linked Casserly's house for sale months in advance of the draft. I'd be suprised if Casserly had much input in the draft because of that. Casserly was kept until after the draft because he knew the behind the scenes of the Texans on draft day, releasing him and him going to another team before the draft would only hurt the Texans.

Wolf
09-06-2006, 02:12 PM
links with cutnpastes please. Bill Simmons writes humor/reaction pieces...this is par for his course.

Thanks Vinny, I haven't read much of BS work

ojthecat
09-06-2006, 02:23 PM
links with cutnpastes please. Bill Simmons writes humor/reaction pieces...this is par for his course.

Here is the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060906

Vinny
09-06-2006, 02:24 PM
thanka

RTP2110
09-06-2006, 02:24 PM
Hi Bill Simmons, welcome to 6 months ago!

ThaShark316
09-06-2006, 02:25 PM
So Mario played a game? And Reggie? Good stuff right there.

Cjeremy635
09-06-2006, 02:51 PM
Isn't he contradicting himself here? He stated that no one knew who MJ was when he came out and everyone wanted someone else. Wouldn't that be this same type scenario in the fact that everyone wants Bush and we got someone else who could end up being the "MJ" of the NFL? He stated about Reggie's ceiling, being play and personality? Personality? Really? Cause I've got a great one but it didn't get me millions.....yet. I don't think personality translates to 5 years for 55 million or whatever the contract was.... if it does, show me where to put my nifty signature I've been practicing for all the autographs I plan on giving. :wild:

ronaldod1
09-06-2006, 03:56 PM
I tend to agree with the guy.

Do you honestly think there is another team in the NFL that Wali Lundy would be the starter for?

The RB situation is mediocre at best, in my opinion.

BradK10
09-06-2006, 04:00 PM
The only thing I like about Bill Simmons are his non sports pieces.

He has an undying hate for the city of Houston that is well documented, just because he had a bad experience during the Super Bowl.

Cjeremy635
09-06-2006, 04:02 PM
I tend to agree with the guy.

Do you honestly think there is another team in the NFL that Wali Lundy would be the starter for?

The RB situation is mediocre at best, in my opinion.


Not trying to get into the whole R.B. is God thing again, but how do you think he would benefit the team at this point? Sure he has great speed, but he isn't the type of back we need in this scheme and I can't see paying the type of money it would have taken to aquire him when we have a 6th rounder that is out performing him thus far in the preseason. If you are merely comparing stats you have to compare his to our backs and see who has been more successful. I would say hands down our guys have been superior. People keep wanting to compare Reggie with Mario and figure out who's better, but it's much easier comparing him to other skilled players in his position and he isn't even up to par with them as of yet. Now I'm not going to say that Wali will have a better career than Reggie, I'm no psychic, but I do think Wali would be more beneficial in the long run to our team than what R.B. would ever be. IMHO

TexanSam
09-06-2006, 04:03 PM
Most of his pieces are meant to be funny, not to analyze the games or anything. I like some of his pieces, others are just kind of dumb. Like someone else said, he doesn't like the city of Houston either so this probably just adds fuel to his fire.

texansfaninla
09-06-2006, 04:19 PM
Simmons is right on the money. Mario is a project and Bush is the most talented college player in years to come to the NFL. The fact that Wali Lundy is starting, with Vernand Morency and Ron Dayne as backups, is a joke when you consider that the Texans could have had Reggie Bush. The logic isn't there. The only people who support this move are the FO (who said they would rely on Davis), Michael Smith of ESPN, Mark Schlereth of ESPN, and this message board. Don't act so surprised when somebody like Simmons points out the obvious.

Sco-tai
09-06-2006, 04:24 PM
Most of his pieces are meant to be funny,

Yeah...the whole "bucket on head, crash into the wall" funny. You know...the kind where you shake your head more than you actually laugh or enjoy it.

What a moron.

I should print & frame this whole piece. And mail it to him in January with a nice pile of dog C**P. :brickwall

Cjeremy635
09-06-2006, 04:25 PM
Simmons is right on the money. Mario is a project and Bush is the most talented college player in years to come to the NFL. The fact that Wali Lundy is starting, with Vernand Morency and Ron Dayne as backups, is a joke when you consider that the Texans could have had Reggie Bush. The logic isn't there. The only people who support this move are the FO (who said they would rely on Davis), Michael Smith of ESPN, Mark Schlereth of ESPN, and this message board. Don't act so surprised when somebody like Simmons points out the obvious.


Oh.....you're one of those people! You should have submitted your resume for the head coaching position being that you seem more knowledgable of what this team sincerely needs. I will be rooting for you mid season when the coach position becomes available again...:sarcasm:

Double Barrel
09-06-2006, 04:26 PM
Who would you rather have: Bruce Smith or Barry Sanders? Both are HoF players, but one elevates his entire squad, and the other is an awesome component of his squad. One player can dominate his side of the ball and force opponents to game plan around him, let Bill Simmons figure out who is who.

Dude is writing just to get a spark. So take it for what it's worth, dog poo with sprinkles on it (it's still dog poo). If you get upset about it, then he gets what he wants, a rise out of people.

I could honestly care less what he thinks, and I urge everyone to have the same indifference towards the hack. (His Enron blast just shows what a moron he is and the complete lack of understanding that situation. Gotta' love examples that have absolutely no bearing on the argument. :loser )

JDizzle
09-06-2006, 04:32 PM
I tend to agree with the guy.

Do you honestly think there is another team in the NFL that Wali Lundy would be the starter for?


Do you think Mike Bell would start for anyone else other than Denver?

jerek
09-06-2006, 04:33 PM
I can't really even be mad about this piece. I can't tell if he's serious or not, based on the complete and total absence of fact or reasoning. "Reggie is the next Gayle Sayers" -- based on what? One preseason 44-yard run against the Titans second-team D? He doesn't back up or qualify his statements with anything fact-based at all.

Snapple
09-06-2006, 04:40 PM
Bill Simmons is one of the best sports writers in the country. I'm surprised so many people haven't heard of him. He's funny, and he doesn't pull any punches. Of course the Enron thing was an exaggeration, but learn how to take things with a grain of salt, guys.

Farough
09-06-2006, 04:45 PM
Bill Simmons is one of the best sports writers in the country. I'm surprised so many people haven't heard of him. He's funny, and he doesn't pull any punches. Of course the Enron thing was an exaggeration, but learn how to take things with a grain of salt, guys.

Exactly what I was thinking. He is by far my favorite sports writer to read. He's meant to be funny while also delivering his perspective. I actually found that article to be funny. You don't have to take it personally when someone says something bad about the Houston Texans.

TexanFanInCC
09-06-2006, 04:52 PM
for some reason my fiancee loves him, but that piece of writing wasnt funny at all. as if he havent heard enough about not taking reggie bush, just as things were starting to settle down, he has to fire off a big torpedo about us not picking bush. besides, why does he say we are passing on the MJ of football? when the rockets passed the real MJ, he landed hakeem olajuwon instead...and that worked out pretty well. im sure mario williams will do the same.

texansfaninla
09-06-2006, 04:54 PM
Barry Sanders had the misfortune of being on one of the worst teams in the NFL, yet he singlehandedly carried them to many of the wins they got, and he got his sorry team to within one win of the Super Bowl. Bruce Smith played on a balanced team that got to some Super Bowls (though they won ZERO), and they didn't get to those Super Bowls because of Bruce Smith - they got there because of Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Bruce, and Marv Levy's coaching.

In other words - nobody says "the Bills won all those games because they had Bruce Smith - he was indispensable". But everyone agrees that "the Lions won all those games because they had Barry Sanders". If Detroit had given him some help he would have won a Super Bowl.

Same probably goes with Reggie Bush - he might carry the Saints to some wins but will need help to win it all. In Houston he could have been part of something bigger.

But hey - at least we got a defensive lineman project...with bad toenails to boot...

titan hater
09-06-2006, 04:58 PM
Comparing the Texans to Enron is not only stupid...it's insulting to those who lost their jobs and life savings to those thieves who ran that organization. Frankly, this guy should be fired for even mentioning Enron in his diatribe. What a bunch of blather....Sports has nothing to do with the Enron debacle and thereby should be left out of anything to do with people who lost everything...This article not only reinforces my opinion that ESPN is a Northeastern liberal run network but makes me damn mad that anyone could be so insensitive concerning the plight of those who have suffered due to corp greed. Last I checked ESPN was a corporation as well, which puts them in the same fishbowl that Enron was and is in now....Hell, these statements are just as bad as when Limbaugh made his about McNabb....ESPN you should be ashamed of yourselves!!!!

hobie
09-06-2006, 05:02 PM
Why is it that every time some writer writes something that is against the Texans that it has to be brought to the board. We all know that every still thinks of us as a bad team, so freaking what....When the Texans can prove them wrong, then it will stop.
It just gets old seeing ya'll post stuff about someone bad mouthing the Texans and everyone comes on and says the guy is a joke, or they have nothing else to write about, SO WHAT !!
Yes, Houston was bad last year, and some moves are ones that will have to be looked at in a few years to decide if it was a right one or not.
Just sit back and let the guys prove them wrong...we have thier backs, and if writers want to write it, so be it. Moaning on the MB does nothing at all..

Game 1 is 4 days away, and this time Sunday, we will be 1-0 !!

Wolf
09-06-2006, 05:06 PM
Get ready for the storm

Saints play 2 powerhouses (Cleveland and Green bay)the 1st two weeks, If Bush can't get 100 yards total offense on one if not both clubs(if Bush gets the touches) then when will he?

TexanSam
09-06-2006, 05:36 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. He is by far my favorite sports writer to read. He's meant to be funny while also delivering his perspective. I actually found that article to be funny. You don't have to take it personally when someone says something bad about the Houston Texans.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. And if you look at what else he says about other teams, players and coaches, it's obvious he's not trying to be overly serious.

TexansLucky13
09-06-2006, 05:37 PM
Do you think Mike Bell would start for anyone else other than Denver?

Completely agreed. The only reason anyone would want Mike Bell at this point anyways is because Shanahan has put so much into him. Other than that he is a nobody. That is why I love this system. We don't need to waste time with someone who thinks he is bigger than life.... we can actually make someone bigger than life (as far as runningbacks go).

BradK10
09-06-2006, 05:37 PM
Bill Simmons is one of the best sports writers in the country. I'm surprised so many people haven't heard of him. He's funny, and he doesn't pull any punches. Of course the Enron thing was an exaggeration, but learn how to take things with a grain of salt, guys.

Bill Simmons is not a sports writer. Peter Gammons is a sports writer. Len Pasquarelli is a sports writer. Ric Bucher is a sports writer.

Bill Simmons is a fan who writes sports center pop culture pieces.

And he hates Houston...with a passion.

texansfaninla
09-06-2006, 05:39 PM
One addition that people should note: Denver hasn't won a Super Bowl since '98. "The system" gets them close but they haven't been back since.

TexansLucky13
09-06-2006, 05:41 PM
Bill Simmons is not a sports writer. Peter Gammons is a sports writer. Len Pasquarelli is a sports writer. Ric Bucher is a sports writer.

Bill Simmons is a fan who writes sports center pop culture pieces.

And he hates Houston...with a passion.

I don't know about that... he is more like a Reggie Bush puppet.

Everyone up there hates Houston. They hated us before the Draft and they hate us now. They neglect our sports teams. They criticize us. I don't need to listen to these schmucks.... I can analyze the sports on my own without the corporate bias.

Wolf
09-06-2006, 05:44 PM
One addition that people should note: Denver hasn't won a Super Bowl since '98. "The system" gets them close but they haven't been back since.



well here is to the Gulf Coast Offense :redtowel:

a little bit of Denver , a little bit of Green Bay :heh:

TexansLucky13
09-06-2006, 05:48 PM
well here is to the gulf coast offense :redtowel:

a little bit of Denver , a little bit of Green Bay :heh:

I agree with that. Not only did we get Kubiak and the Broncos scheme.... we got Sherman. I have made the mistake of overlooking him before, but not anymore. After watching the preseason I noticed some plays and formations that reminded me of Green Bay. I think that the fusing of these two offenses will prove beneficial to our team.

Hookem Horns
09-06-2006, 05:54 PM
Barry Sanders had the misfortune of being on one of the worst teams in the NFL, yet he singlehandedly carried them to many of the wins they got, and he got his sorry team to within one win of the Super Bowl. Bruce Smith played on a balanced team that got to some Super Bowls (though they won ZERO), and they didn't get to those Super Bowls because of Bruce Smith - they got there because of Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Bruce, and Marv Levy's coaching.

In other words - nobody says "the Bills won all those games because they had Bruce Smith - he was indispensable". But everyone agrees that "the Lions won all those games because they had Barry Sanders". If Detroit had given him some help he would have won a Super Bowl.

Same probably goes with Reggie Bush - he might carry the Saints to some wins but will need help to win it all. In Houston he could have been part of something bigger.

But hey - at least we got a defensive lineman project...with bad toenails to boot...

How many times did Eric Metcalf carry his teams? I guess the Browns came close to the Super Bowl a couple of times but take Metcalf off of those teams and they were still pretty good. BTW, PLEASE stop with the Reggie Bush being the next Barry Sanders. He will be lucky to be the next Eric Metcalf. Metcalf was a great player btw, so no knock on him, but he wasn't a Barry Sanders.

Rightnow
09-06-2006, 05:57 PM
There are many reasons why the media has/is ripping Houston about passing on Bush.

1. Readership. Slamming a team is more interesting than praising a team. People like reading about bad news. Writing a story about the Texans outselling the Cowboys in season tickets for five years running won't attract the readers like ripping Houston and writing about TO.

2. It's Houston. Many people around the country have negative attitudes towards anything Texan let alone Houston.

Main Reason:

3. The Texans ignored the all knowing, all mighty, sports media. This ticked them off to no end. Everyone said we'd take Bush, everyone said it was the right idea, everyone knows he is a great RB with NFL potential. By picking Mario the Texans thumbed their nose at the entire media establishment. They took a risk, blazed a trail for themselves, and didn't listen to what everyone else said. This is what ticks the media off. That the Texans didn't take their advice. So now they have to pump up Bush and slam the Texans to prove that they were right.

Whether Mario was the right pick remains to be seen, but the media won't let won't let it go unless he is a probowler and Bush becomes good but not great. Even then they won't admit they were wrong, they will just be silent.

ronaldod1
09-06-2006, 06:18 PM
Do you think Mike Bell would start for anyone else other than Denver?

probably not many, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say the "system" was more effective with the likes of Clinton Portis than Rueben Droughs, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, Mike Bell etc.

The system is great, but the guy carrying the ball is still an important consideration.

BigDTexansFan
09-06-2006, 06:24 PM
Houston's logic was never understandable; the Texans' decision to pass on Bush was shockingly brainless from the moment it happened, if only because you can't disappoint your fans to that degree unless there's a really, really, REALLY good reason. Now it looks like the dumbest sports decision of the past 25 years and that's before we find out Reggie Bush's ceiling, both as an impact running back and personality. I just find the whole thing to be amazing. In a weird way, I'm glad it happened. Incompetence is always more interesting than competence. So thumbs up, Houston Texans. Well done. You're the sports version of Enron.

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SGReaderRants@gmail.com.

hollywood_texan
09-06-2006, 06:24 PM
The main point I took from the article is Reggie Bush is to the NFL what Michael Jordan was to the NBA.

You could probably make better comparisons to Vince Young than Reggie Bush to Michael Jordan. Vince Young was picked third, same as Jordan, as well as did the game winning play to win the championship and left with one year left of eligibility. In addition, due to Vince's size and speed, he could revolutionize the QB position. As for Reggie Bush, he was picked second, just like Sam Bowie. And let's not forget in the whole Sam Bowie deal, Houston did pretty well by taking the Dream at #1.

Look, someone can argue that Reggie Bush is a better pick than Mario, but Reggie Bush is not going to revolutionize the running back position like Jordan did the guard position and win six championships while being the main guy carrying the team. That is just ridiculous.

The guy can write funny articles, but that piece was just stupid!

texanfan2100
09-06-2006, 06:33 PM
Simmons is an idiot. Don't give him the time of day.

TexasJedi
09-06-2006, 06:48 PM
This is hardly surprising given Simmons "affection" for all things Houston. Of course, this is an oft-used and inappropriate analogy since he directly compares the NBA of twenty years ago to today's salary capped NFL. He has the benefit of hindsight (in the case of the NBA), and forsight (since he assumes Reggie will be great and Mario presumably a bust). It's really quite impressive.

It does not really matter if the Texans would have taken Reggie, they would get no "credit" for it. I recall the pipe dream piece that someone on ESPN or perhaps Prisco over at Sportsline wrote before the draft. His dream was to get Reggie in Indy with Peyton, and alleged that the Colts had the pieces to make a trade like that. Right, we take their trash so the media can sell more papers, periodicals, and commercials with their Dream Boy. Afterall, actual football as played on the gridiron is secondary to many in the media.

We should all know what Reggie in Houston, from merely an image perspective, would look like. We see it every fifth day when Roger Clemens pitches for the Astros and not ESPN's beloved Yakees. How many trade rumors did we see having Clemens wearing pinstripes other than Houston's? Reggie in Houston would be more of the same.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
09-06-2006, 06:51 PM
Simmons is right on the money. Mario is a project and Bush is the most talented college player in years to come to the NFL. The fact that Wali Lundy is starting, with Vernand Morency and Ron Dayne as backups, is a joke when you consider that the Texans could have had Reggie Bush. The logic isn't there. The only people who support this move are the FO (who said they would rely on Davis), Michael Smith of ESPN, Mark Schlereth of ESPN, and this message board. Don't act so surprised when somebody like Simmons points out the obvious.


Bush isn't didily... until he proves it in the NFL. None the less, I support the move to pass on Bush for so many reasons... but the main one is because I just simply hate "one guy and one dimensional teams". Teams with one superstar don't go to the playoffs except in high school...

TEAMS win championships.

texansfaninla
09-06-2006, 07:11 PM
Battle red koolaid...battle red koolaid...battle red koolaid...

If you guys don't think that a vast majority of football fans around the country think that the Texans are idiots for passing on Bush (especially when Davis is on IR), and that the media is a microchosm of that belief, you guys are totally delusional.

This board represents the minority - and even then, there are those of us here who are still stunned by the Texans' FO.

Go ahead and email Simmons - I'm sure you might make his next mailbag. Which would then generate other emails - which would illustrate the above point.

Maddict5
09-06-2006, 07:14 PM
Houston's logic was never understandable; the Texans' decision to pass on Bush was shockingly brainless from the moment it happened, if only because you can't disappoint your fans to that degree unless there's a really, really, REALLY good reason. Now it looks like the dumbest sports decision of the past 25 years … and that's before we find out Reggie Bush's ceiling, both as an impact running back and personality. I just find the whole thing to be amazing. In a weird way, I'm glad it happened. Incompetence is always more interesting than competence. So thumbs up, Houston Texans. Well done. You're the sports version of Enron.

if you wish to express what you think of Lil Billy Simmons email here


SGReaderRants@gmail.com.

i hope somebody does actually e-mail him with an articulate response about how the rb isnt so important in the ZBS etc...id like to see his response.....

bill simmons is my favourite SPORTSWRITER..he writes about all sports and is a pretty good analyst and wickedly funny at times eg.. predicting USA's all-star basketball team wouldn't win the WC etc.....obviously i disagree strongly with this piece:homer: but i can see where he's coming from...

we said all along we wouldnt take reggie because DD is a good back so we passed on the most hyped and 1 of the most dominant college RB EVER....for somebody who, in reality, didnt dominate but has the potential to be great..

dont get me wrong i really like the mario pick and if the draft was today id hope we'd pick him again over reggie even with DD's injury

to me its a bit like some writer giving out that NO didnt take Hawk when you look at their LBers...no namers that might be good but only NO fans know

so go easy on simmons just because he said something that we didnt like and made some dumb assumptions..if you read his other pieces you'd know he's quite an entertaining writer and generally a good guy imo:hides:

tex
09-06-2006, 07:16 PM
The guys an ahole forget about it.

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 07:22 PM
Simmons and Michael Smith were the two ESPN writters I could stand to read before this. Simmons is a Page 2 guy, its mostly humour and such, but this article is pure ****! Honestly, the next MJ? Wtf? In the one context comparing a running back with a basketball player is even remotley possible (late game sittuations with the game on the line), would the next MJ be watching from the sideline as Pippen takes the last shot? Reffering to the 4th down at the Rose Bowl...

Anyway, ESPN has its head to far up its ass to realize Reggie is a bit part player, WHO WONT BE STARTING FOR A TEAM THAT FINISHED 3-13, let alone revolutionize the NFL with his seeming allergy to running between the tackles.

And by the way, maybe you should realize we took Mario with the first pick, not Lundy, even though he happend to out rush Bush this preaseason, and score a TD. He mentions Mario in one sentence in the whole colum.

texansfaninla
09-06-2006, 07:33 PM
"we said all along we wouldnt take reggie because DD is a good back so we passed on the most hyped and 1 of the most dominant college RB EVER....for somebody who, in reality, didnt dominate but has the potential to be great.."

THAT'S SIMMONS' POINT!

You guys can stop reading him now too. Just read Michael Smith. He is the only one who speaks the truth.

Doug
09-06-2006, 07:50 PM
Sorry everyone but this type of stuff doesn't bother me anymore. I guess I've seen soooo many negative articles and comments about the Texans over 4 years that it doesn't even phase me anymore. I'm surprised that any negative publicity about the Texans actually gets people (fans) upset or even slightly irritated. The only people that care about the Texans are the Texans and their fans. As far as respect.......My dad always told me you have to earn it. Until we start winning games on a consistent basis you're not going to see much respect, especially from the media.

Maddict5
09-06-2006, 07:52 PM
"we said all along we wouldnt take reggie because DD is a good back so we passed on the most hyped and 1 of the most dominant college RB EVER....for somebody who, in reality, didnt dominate but has the potential to be great.."

THAT'S SIMMONS' POINT!

You guys can stop reading him now too. Just read Michael Smith. He is the only one who speaks the truth.

well i think RB is overhyped and WAS great in college...i dont think he'll be as good in the nfl..simmons does

plus to say you should just read pro-texan writers is lame

Doug
09-06-2006, 07:57 PM
"we said all along we wouldnt take reggie because DD is a good back so we passed on the most hyped and 1 of the most dominant college RB EVER....for somebody who, in reality, didnt dominate but has the potential to be great.."

THAT'S SIMMONS' POINT!

You guys can stop reading him now too. Just read Michael Smith. He is the only one who speaks the truth.
Do you ever have anything positive to say about the Texans or the fans that don't share your opinion about the number one pick in the draft? The only time I've seen you post is when it's about how good you think Reggie Bush is and how bad Mario Williams is. I would think being a true Texans fan you would have plenty of other things to talk about.

Maddict5
09-06-2006, 08:10 PM
Do you ever have anything positive to say about the Texans or the fans that don't share your opinion about the number one pick in the draft? The only time I've seen you post is when it's about how good you think Reggie Bush is and how bad Mario Williams is. I would think being a true Texans fan you would have plenty of other things to talk about.

:confused:id edit that post quickly- he was quoting me in the first part(not that im pro-reggie)...and his michael smith comment means he's definitely pro-mario

infantrycak
09-06-2006, 08:12 PM
:confused:id edit that post quickly- he was quoting me in the first part(not that im pro-reggie)...and his michael smith comment means he's definitely pro-mario

Dude is definitely not pro-Mario. He has been on a pro-Bush, anti-Mario rant all over the MB. Time will tell if he is right, but like the media coverage, the rant is getting old.

Doug
09-06-2006, 08:34 PM
:confused:id edit that post quickly- he was quoting me in the first part(not that im pro-reggie)...and his michael smith comment means he's definitely pro-mario
My comment was not made due to the particular quote I chose but the overall outlook of texanfaninla in general, and his Michael Smith comment is sarcasm.

Shader
09-06-2006, 09:53 PM
Bill Simmons is known as one of the best writers on the internet. He never claims to have inside info and he admits that he's an idiot when he makes a prediction that doesn't come true.

But at THIS POINT, the move to pass on Reggie Bush looks absolutely RIDICULOUS. There is NO WAY AROUND IT.

For the choice of Mario Williams to be considered anything other than the worst draft choice in the last ten years...He's going to have to be special. Not just good, not just a solid DE. Not Demarcus Ware or Shawne Merriman.

His impact will need to be close to that of Jevon Kearse in his rookie year. He needs 13+ sacks and needs to force offenses to change their gameplan.

Of course, a 700 yard season from Reggie Bush would help, but I think any realistic person knows Reggie is going to be a superstar, unless he gets hurt.

Shader
09-06-2006, 09:56 PM
Simmons and Michael Smith were the two ESPN writters I could stand to read before this. Simmons is a Page 2 guy, its mostly humour and such, but this article is pure ****! Honestly, the next MJ? Wtf? In the one context comparing a running back with a basketball player is even remotley possible (late game sittuations with the game on the line), would the next MJ be watching from the sideline as Pippen takes the last shot? Reffering to the 4th down at the Rose Bowl...

Anyway, ESPN has its head to far up its ass to realize Reggie is a bit part player, WHO WONT BE STARTING FOR A TEAM THAT FINISHED 3-13, let alone revolutionize the NFL with his seeming allergy to running between the tackles.

And by the way, maybe you should realize we took Mario with the first pick, not Lundy, even though he happend to out rush Bush this preaseason, and score a TD. He mentions Mario in one sentence in the whole colum.

Do you really believe this? I'm asking you to think, not as a Texans fan, but as a logical person. If Bush was a Texan, would you say that he will be a bit player? Would you claim (a total fabrication) that he has an allergy to running between the tackles.

It's ok to justify the selection of Mario. But when you slam Bush to do so, it just shows blind homerism and a lack of football intellect.

Brandon420tx
09-06-2006, 11:20 PM
I stopped reading this thread after the word "Gale"

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 11:41 PM
Do you really believe this? I'm asking you to think, not as a Texans fan, but as a logical person. If Bush was a Texan, would you say that he will be a bit player? Would you claim (a total fabrication) that he has an allergy to running between the tackles.

It's ok to justify the selection of Mario. But when you slam Bush to do so, it just shows blind homerism and a lack of football intellect.
jesus! the man in all the NFL action he has seen, i dont care if its preaseason, its not like he is going to be trying to suck, has averaged 3.1 yards a carry with no TD's. He has one run of 40 yards on the Titans, take that away and he is averaging about 2 yards a carry throughout 4 games. When the game was on the line, he was on the sideline. He wont run up the middle. I dont care how fast you are, when your going up against Julius Peppers and John Abraham, you arnt going to get to the outside consitantly. He was great in college. He has to show me his style wil translate to the NFL before I crown him the next (insert name of HoF player ESPN has compared Reggie to).

By the way, there is no draft pick that is a sure thing, esspecially one with so many question marks in his game and as high a profile as Reggie.
And by the way, I've been against picking Reggie long before Kris Brown shanked that 30 yarder against the 9ers...

Samer
09-07-2006, 01:26 AM
I wouldn't say this was the nfl's version of Portland taking Bowie over Jordan...I would say this is more Houston taking Olajuwan (Hall Of Famer, 2 time champion, and 1 of the top 50 players of all time) over Jordan

LBC_Justin
09-07-2006, 03:09 AM
How much impact did Gale Sayers even make?

1965 9-5 record
1966 5-7 record
1967 7-6 record
1968 7-7 record
1969 1-13 record
1970 6-8 record
1971 6-8 record

FIVE years. He had only had FIVE productive years.
4 losing season, 2 winning season, 1 even season. Big freaking deal.



+--------------------------+-------------------------+
------------[------Rushing------][----Receiving------]
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1965 chi | 14 | 166 867 5.2 14 | 29 507 17.5 6 |
| 1966 chi | 14 | 229 1231 5.4 8 | 34 447 13.1 2 |
| 1967 chi | 13 | 186 880 4.7 7 | 16 126 7.9 1 |
| 1968 chi | 9 | 138 856 6.2 2 | 15 117 7.8 0 |
| 1969 chi | 14 | 236 1032 4.4 8 | 17 116 6.8 0 |
| 1970 chi | 2 | 23 52 2.3 0 | 1 -6 -6.0 0 |
| 1971 chi | 2 | 13 38 2.9 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 68 | 991 4956 5.0 39 | 112 1307 11.7 9 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

39 touchdowns in his whole career. Umm....Didn't Shawn Alexander get 27 last year and no one was even willing to give up a 3rd round pick to get him.

Well how much of a difference can a great Defensive End really make?
If you ever question how important a great Defensive Ends is then do this little bit of research. Look up the all time sack leaders. Then look at the record of the teams they played on.

One thing I notice in doing this research is that the teams with superstar Defensive Ends did a ton of winning and the had long stretches of winning. Not a lot of ups and downs. When they left a team, often the team when down hill, and when they arrived often a team would begin to thrive. Plus the great ones play for a long time (15-18 seasons) and are productive even in their later years.

A Defensive End isn't sexy but they help a team win. Running Backs are sexy and ESPN is fully aware that sex sells.

Maddict5
09-07-2006, 06:44 AM
My comment was not made due to the particular quote I chose but the overall outlook of texanfaninla in general, and his Michael Smith comment is sarcasm.


oh right...sorry, i dont pay too much attention to where every1 stands in the mario/ bush thing....


anyway this thread is going down the path of soooooooooo many other threads with the 'reggie sucks' comments:brickwall

PhillyFan
09-07-2006, 08:48 AM
I half agree with the guy, but he went waaay overboard.


If you had taken Bush...he would be a superstar immediately...and would have taken a load off of Carr. Just changing to the ZB scheme, your offensive line improved. Where NO's stinks to high heavens. So now, Bush is rotting away in NO, the same that Deuce did. Great player on a crap team...amounts to an absolutely craptacular career.

It isnt the end of the world that you didnt take him. You really should have, because he would have won you 2 games alone this year. But...you didnt, and now that time has passed. The media should let it go already.

I understand everyone defending the FO for taking a defensive linemen. But superstar running backs that can cure cancer come along every 20 years or so, where DE's come out every few years.

GP
09-07-2006, 09:15 AM
Simmons is right on the money. Mario is a project and Bush is the most talented college player in years to come to the NFL. The fact that Wali Lundy is starting, with Vernand Morency and Ron Dayne as backups, is a joke when you consider that the Texans could have had Reggie Bush. The logic isn't there. The only people who support this move are the FO (who said they would rely on Davis), Michael Smith of ESPN, Mark Schlereth of ESPN, and this message board. Don't act so surprised when somebody like Simmons points out the obvious.

I take your opinion with a grain and-a-half of salt.

You live in Louisiana, and although you say you're a Texans fan...you do way too much publicity work for Reggie Bush to be taken seriously here IMO. OK, OK, I know: A dissenting opinion should be welcome, even among Texans fans...and "No," I'm not saying you have to be "in step" with what the majority of us think. So save the martyr attitude if rpelying to what I am saying.

But here's the deal: Our running back situation is NOt dire as you and others try to say. Our system works just fine. Would you draft Terrell Davis in the 6th or 7th round if you were running an NFL team? You probably wouldn't. You and Bill Simmons would look at your NFL Fantasy Cheat sheet provided to you and you would make the "safe" and "easy" pick when it was your turn.

For every Gale Sayers, there is a Kijana Carter and Laurence Phillips waiting to happen. It's NOT science.

Secondly, Bill Simmons' piece is not the truth, it's built on speculation. Looking back on the Jordan-Bowie situation, how it all played out over the courses of their careers, "Yes" you can say it was stupid to pass Jordan up. But to say that a team should be able to see it on draft day is a little presumptuous, to say the least.

At some point, it just is pure fan arrogance to say "Anybody could have seen that Jordan was going to be great" AFTER it happens. In fact, it ought to be a sports crime for people to prop themselves up and make fun of organizations for passing on the "sure thing." You place yourself in such a ridiculous state of being that it's maddening to most others how you can be so arrogant when you do not know if Next Superstar is actually going to be a Superstar at all. Want to predict? That's fine. But to rub people's noses in it is beyond me. It's pure arrogance.

The thing with humor is this: It has to contain an element of truth or it isn't funny. I don't see any truth (yet) to the CLAIM or to the SPECULATION that Reggie Bush is going to be the next big thing. He was getting a second education this preseason with defenders grabbing him and ripping him down when he would try his little "bloop" that was so effective against Pac-10 teams, but he was largely getting schooled out there this preseason. There is no TRUTH to Simmons' claims, nor yours, that he's the Jordan of football. No truth at all. It's all speculation as of right now, and it will be until he has proven it on the field over the course of his career.

This is why I am upset. Pieces like his are barely worth the effort of reading. It's a puff piece. it's a guy getting paid a lot of money to sit around and just tell us what he thinks. I'd rather watch the season for myself and make my own decisions as to who's doing well and who isn't.

But, the easy thing to do is to trust someone who is building his story based on speculation. If you want to get your sports news from Huggy Bear, then that's fine with me. Good luck to ya.

texansfaninla
09-07-2006, 10:07 AM
Publicity work? My point is that we should have taken Bush over Mario. Period. I think Bush would have been a perfect fit in this system. A coach who knows how to get his offensive line to open up holes, plus a guy with the burst and speed of Bush to get down into the open field, would have (a) given the Texans a home run hitter, (b) taken pressure off of Carr, and (c) opened up the whole offense.

Now, I agree with you to a certain extent - Nothing is 100 percent guaranteed in the NFL draft. But based on not just performance, but sheer domination in college (guy averaged almost 10 yards a touch, which nobody has approached - not Barry Sanders, not Marcus Allen, nobody), he was the closest to a sure thing that was available. Passing on that reeks of stupidity.

You have the No. 1 overall pick, you make the "safe" and "easy" selection when it's available. This was no Alex Smith draft. There was a clear top dog, and the Texans were the only team that would have passed to take a defensive project who looked good at a combine. Sure, other teams might say they had Mario atop their boards, but when it comes down to it, how many would have actually pulled the trigger? Only one. Maybe that's why they are 18-46 thus far - worst start in NFL expansion history, if I'm not mistaken. (Tampa had the same record to start, but at least made it to a conference title game.)

Go back and look at the defensive linemen taken No. 1 overall - you'll find a lot more Courtney Brown and Aundray Bruce than Bruce Smith (who was great but, like Barry Sanders, never won a Super Bowl).

As for the running backs you mention:
KiJana Carter - blew out his knees. Bad luck.
Lawrence Phillips - you knew that wasn't going to end well, with his extremely problematic criminal attitude problems.

Mario is a project who will also be scrutinized heavily for the rest of his career in comparison to Bush, because it was such a shock that he was taken over Bush. Let's hope the kid from a town of less than a thousand people can handle that pressure.

And - I know everyone says Bush hasn't done anything with New Orleans. Maybe he's been holding back, just like Mario supposedly has been. Maybe he's been finding his spot. Maybe he plays behind a putrid offensive line with no discernable blocking scheme.

Switch the players with the teams. Mario is probably doing with the Saints exactly what he's doing now. Bush, on the other hand, is probably electrifying everyone with highlight runs through the same holes Wali Lundy has benefited from, and would have gained more yards than Lundy has. He wouldn't have to run around end, because he would have holes to run through.

Bush has a long history of success, going back to Pop Warner. Mario? One really good year (at least half a year - weren't all his sacks in like five games?), no first team All American (or all conference) honors, and a great combine performance.

So with that, I'll stop my "rant". (I know, I know - thank God, right?) I think what I think, you guys think what you think, and that's that. At least we have a forum to express our disagreements in a civil manner.

srstex
09-07-2006, 10:36 AM
I think it's great that this whole thread revolves around an article written by a man that never played in the NFL. Unless you were born this year, everyone should have known we weren't going to take Bush because of Kubiak's back ground, and HIS system. I doubt that I was the only one that knew this, I personally wanted Ferguson, but Kubiak wanted Williams, and his decisions have led us to a 3-1 preseason record, that is a start. Look a VY, now the Titans have picked up Kerry Collins, so his hype is already fading.
Have faith Texans fans, Kubiak will bring us the season we have been waiting for.

NJ Texan
09-07-2006, 10:37 AM
I guess I was one of the few Texans fans who were happy that they picked Mario over Reggie. The reasons of which have already been stated in this thread.

joetexan
09-07-2006, 10:44 AM
I've come around. I once was in the Bush camp :hides: but have since converted. I love Mario. He is going to be a beast, and Lundy will be a stud too. I can't express how excited I am about this season. Now if Carr can step up.......

In Kubiak I trust.

Chicagotexan1
09-07-2006, 11:14 AM
Bill Simmons writes humor/reaction pieces...this is par for his course.


If that's a nice way of saying k-wrap and b.s. then i agree.

Shader
09-07-2006, 02:06 PM
Lets wait to call Lundy a stud until he actually does something. If we'll use this logic on Bush, lets do the same with Lundy.

Double Barrel
09-07-2006, 02:48 PM
I think Bush would have been a perfect fit in this system.

Coach Kubiak - the brains behind this system you speak of - obviously disagrees with you.

Don't you think "perfect" is a tad bit overboard? I have no doubt Kubiak would have picked "perfect", if it was available. But he clearly did not think Reggie Bush was "perfect" for his system, or he'd be a Texan right now.

I'm not down on RB (matter-of-fact, I think he'll be a great NFL talent). But he is not God, cannot cure cancer, and will not carry an entire football team to the promised land by his lonesome self. :wild:

infantrycak
09-07-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm not down on RB (matter-of-fact, I think he'll be a great NFL talent). But he is not God, cannot cure cancer, and will not carry an entire football team to the promised land by his lonesome self. :wild:

Nope--that guy is in TN--I hear he makes kittens from his tears as well.

Doug
09-07-2006, 03:59 PM
oh right...sorry, i dont pay too much attention to where every1 stands in the mario/ bush thing....


anyway this thread is going down the path of soooooooooo many other threads with the 'reggie sucks' comments:brickwall
I have yet to see someone say that Reggie sucks or even something remotely close to it in this thread.

Maddict5
09-07-2006, 05:33 PM
I have yet to see someone say that Reggie sucks or even something remotely close to it in this thread.


When the game was on the line, he was on the sideline. He wont run up the middle.

then somebody said gale sayers sucked...because reggie was compared to gale....

there probably was more further back but i couldnt be bothered finding them




it was definitely starting to creep in

GP
09-07-2006, 06:19 PM
Texansfaninla:

Reggie running through the same holes as Lundy?

Nope.

Kubiak wants a one-cut and GO! running back. A guy who doesn't dance and try to make things happen on his own. A guy who reads the hole(s) and choose one to explode through.

That's NOT Reggie Bush.

Reggie dances. He spins. He bloops to the outside. He cuts it back, and then back again, and then back again if he can. It's all nice to watch, but in the NFL you just get Barry Sanderized...the focal point of the defense's efforts, and a one-dimentional running game.

And that, in essence, is why Kubiak preferred to go the Denver route and grab an inexpensive running back. Draft quality on the d-line because it's where we have absoutely stunk it up all our life.

I don't think it gets anymoire clearer than how I just explained it.

The Pencil Neck
09-08-2006, 02:40 AM
I tend to agree with the guy.

Do you honestly think there is another team in the NFL that Wali Lundy would be the starter for?

The RB situation is mediocre at best, in my opinion.

The Broncos are starting an undrafted free agent. So... yeah... Lundy could probably be starting with the Broncos.

Seems about right.

I'm actually feeling good about our RB situation.

texansfaninla
09-08-2006, 10:17 AM
GP Shafer...Did you watch Reggie Bush in college? Many times he hit the open hole, then got in open field to "dance around". Other plays, he went around end on sweeps.

Besides that, and more importantly, Kubiak would have coached Bush kind of like he has Morency - who a lot of people say is better than Lundy. Kubiak would have coached Bush to make his cut, hit the hole, get downfield. When he gets into open space, heck, if he can make guys miss and get more yardage, awesome.

I tell you what - If Lundy and/or Morency has a terrible game, and Mario has no sacks or plays poorly, people will reach a fever pitch. Then many of you will say, "Don't worry, morons. It's just one game. You must wait for the system to get in place and for Mario to develop." Then, if Lundy/Morency stinks up the joint and Mario doesn't develop into anything but a Courtney Brown........

(Sorry - I intended for my previous post to be the last one on this subject.)

NJ Texan
09-08-2006, 10:40 AM
GP Shafer...Did you watch Reggie Bush in college? Many times he hit the open hole, then got in open field to "dance around". Other plays, he went around end on sweeps.

Besides that, and more importantly, Kubiak would have coached Bush kind of like he has Morency - who a lot of people say is better than Lundy. Kubiak would have coached Bush to make his cut, hit the hole, get downfield. When he gets into open space, heck, if he can make guys miss and get more yardage, awesome.

I tell you what - If Lundy and/or Morency has a terrible game, and Mario has no sacks or plays poorly, people will reach a fever pitch. Then many of you will say, "Don't worry, morons. It's just one game. You must wait for the system to get in place and for Mario to develop." Then, if Lundy/Morency stinks up the joint and Mario doesn't develop into anything but a Courtney Brown........

(Sorry - I intended for my previous post to be the last one on this subject.)

What about the reverse being true? Say Bush does terrible in N.O. or get's injured. People would applaud the Texans for signing Mario. In the end, I still believe it was the better decision.

run-david-run
09-08-2006, 11:36 AM
Publicity work? My point is that we should have taken Bush over Mario. Period. I think Bush would have been a perfect fit in this system. A coach who knows how to get his offensive line to open up holes, plus a guy with the burst and speed of Bush to get down into the open field, would have (a) given the Texans a home run hitter, (b) taken pressure off of Carr, and (c) opened up the whole offense.

Now, I agree with you to a certain extent - Nothing is 100 percent guaranteed in the NFL draft. But based on not just performance, but sheer domination in college (guy averaged almost 10 yards a touch, which nobody has approached - not Barry Sanders, not Marcus Allen, nobody), he was the closest to a sure thing that was available. Passing on that reeks of stupidity.

You have the No. 1 overall pick, you make the "safe" and "easy" selection when it's available. This was no Alex Smith draft. There was a clear top dog, and the Texans were the only team that would have passed to take a defensive project who looked good at a combine. Sure, other teams might say they had Mario atop their boards, but when it comes down to it, how many would have actually pulled the trigger? Only one. Maybe that's why they are 18-46 thus far - worst start in NFL expansion history, if I'm not mistaken. (Tampa had the same record to start, but at least made it to a conference title game.)

Go back and look at the defensive linemen taken No. 1 overall - you'll find a lot more Courtney Brown and Aundray Bruce than Bruce Smith (who was great but, like Barry Sanders, never won a Super Bowl).

As for the running backs you mention:
KiJana Carter - blew out his knees. Bad luck.
Lawrence Phillips - you knew that wasn't going to end well, with his extremely problematic criminal attitude problems.

Mario is a project who will also be scrutinized heavily for the rest of his career in comparison to Bush, because it was such a shock that he was taken over Bush. Let's hope the kid from a town of less than a thousand people can handle that pressure.

And - I know everyone says Bush hasn't done anything with New Orleans. Maybe he's been holding back, just like Mario supposedly has been. Maybe he's been finding his spot. Maybe he plays behind a putrid offensive line with no discernable blocking scheme.

Switch the players with the teams. Mario is probably doing with the Saints exactly what he's doing now. Bush, on the other hand, is probably electrifying everyone with highlight runs through the same holes Wali Lundy has benefited from, and would have gained more yards than Lundy has. He wouldn't have to run around end, because he would have holes to run through.

Bush has a long history of success, going back to Pop Warner. Mario? One really good year (at least half a year - weren't all his sacks in like five games?), no first team All American (or all conference) honors, and a great combine performance.

So with that, I'll stop my "rant". (I know, I know - thank God, right?) I think what I think, you guys think what you think, and that's that. At least we have a forum to express our disagreements in a civil manner.
Vernon Morency was told, straightfoward by Kubiak, if you dance around, you wont play. He was told to go straight to the hole, get as many yards as possible and stop trying to "create" somehing by himself. The end result? He averaged about 9 yards a carry with two TD's in his first game under Kubiak. Do you honestly think Reggie would do the same? You really think that after years of playing with one of the most dominant O-lines in college and still bouncing everything to the outside he would suddenly start running North/South?
Also, DD was significantly bigger then Bush, he was hurt after two years in the NFL and will probably never play again. Running back is the position with the lowest career time in the NFL, about 5 years. Esppecially with the way Reggie runs (lots of cutbacks, going back into the middle), he opens himself up to big hits that could very likley end his career.
If you really want to go with the "safe" pick at the top of the draft, you take a player who is immediately going to make an impact on EVERY PLAY, not 15-20 a game.

run-david-run
09-08-2006, 11:40 AM
then somebody said gale sayers sucked...because reggie was compared to gale....

there probably was more further back but i couldnt be bothered finding them




it was definitely starting to creep in
Umm....unless Im mistaken, its quite common knowledge Reggie was on the sideline practicaly the entire 4th quarter, esspecially that key 4th and 2 play?

Chance_C
09-08-2006, 12:08 PM
Besides that, and more importantly, Kubiak would have coached Bush kind of like he has Morency - who a lot of people say is better than Lundy. Kubiak would have coached Bush to make his cut, hit the hole, get downfield. When he gets into open space, heck, if he can make guys miss and get more yardage, awesome.

Which contradicts what you said previously about RB being a perfect fit for out system. In fact Lundy is more of a perfect fit for our system because he was part of a ZBS in college. I'm not parroting Lundy over Bush by no means, but RB was not a perfect fit for our system. Do I think he could be "coached up" to our system? Probably, and he would probably be very effective. I just am going to keep my fingers crossed for Mario and the Texans, and whatever RB does in the Big Easy really doesn't matter to me.

GuerillaBlack
05-15-2008, 08:53 PM
Amazing topic. I am bumping this because of Maddict's new thread.

brakos82
05-15-2008, 09:01 PM
So wait... we're gonna scam everybody and go out of business? :thinking:

Line_Producer
05-15-2008, 09:03 PM
Somebody wanted to send Bill Simmons this column at the end of the year with some dog S#^$. Does somebody want to take the torch on that one? Haha.

mussop
05-15-2008, 11:38 PM
I half agree with the guy, but he went waaay overboard.


1.)If you had taken Bush...he would be a superstar immediately...and would have taken a load off of Carr. Just changing to the ZB scheme, your offensive line improved. 2.)Where NO's stinks to high heavens. So now, Bush is rotting away in NO, the same that Deuce did. Great player on a crap team...amounts to an absolutely craptacular career.

3.)It isnt the end of the world that you didnt take him. You really should have, because he would have won you 2 games alone this year. But...you didnt, and now that time has passed. The media should let it go already.

I understand everyone defending the FO for taking a defensive linemen. But 4.)superstar running backs that can cure cancer come along every 20 years or so, where DE's come out every few years.

Is this guy around anymore? :gun:

Ryan
05-15-2008, 11:47 PM
Haha the next Gayle Sayers, this thread is hilarious.

TexanSam
05-16-2008, 12:07 AM
I'm not going to give Bill Simmons too much grief. For one, the guy is a funny as hell columnist and almost all of his stuff is not to be taken seriously. Secondly, it's not as if he's the only one who fell into the Reggie Bush hype. Hell, half of us Texans fans did as well (me included).

Norg
05-16-2008, 12:41 AM
who cares whe had green and dayne how could we have known Green would of got hurt

we nedded a good defense to put pressure on Manning Plain and simple

D-ReK
05-16-2008, 12:42 AM
who cares whe had green and dayne how could we have known Green would of got hurt

we nedded a good defense to put pressure on Manning Plain and simple

We didn't have Green until the 2007 season.

Carr Bombed
05-16-2008, 01:10 AM
OMG.....(from the same piece)

To the Dolphins, who apparently didn't watch Culpepper play last season. Has any athlete in any professional sport shattered that many fantasy seasons in a six-week span? He couldn't have been worse. It's not possible. Then the boat cruise happened, Culpepper blew out his knee, the Vikings took off with Brad Johnson … and everyone seemed to forget that Daunte was a total bridge collapse. (Note: I'm tired of writing the word "train wreck"; wanted to mix it up.)

Then this happens 1 year later....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osocGiofdvc

http://www.ideaphotos.com/Bridge-Construction/0783104352_gallery_bridge.jpg

It's official Bill Simmons is the damn devil and is responsible for the deaths of many innocent people. He's probably the reason why Bush now sucks in the NFL......Bill Simmons is bad ju ju. Reggie needs to go up the block and get the hex removed by a voodoo priest.

(P.S.... Minneapolis train passengers will never know how lucky they are)