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TexansBull
09-05-2006, 11:04 PM
1st week power rankings arent worth beans, but I guess after a 2-14 people dont cut you any slack. FoxSports has after Tennessee at 28(with 5.4 wins), then ESPN has us at 24 ahead of Tenessee, but we are still ahead of the Saints in both.

http://msn.foxsports.com/name/public/NFL/PowerRankings

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=1

I think it fair though, considering new coach, no returning rb, suspect qb, and a controversial draft pick. Its time to roll up the sleeves get to work on Philly and show the NFL we are not expansion team.

V Man
09-05-2006, 11:06 PM
Isn't it funny that we rip ESPN for dogging us all the time, but they give us more respect than Fox (go figure):confused:

Big J
09-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Isn't it funny that we rip ESPN for dogging us all the time, but they give us more respect than Fox (go figure):confused:

Shaun Salibary is to blame for that.

Ok as for the Power Rankings:

Below us are:

Raiders - Ok this one I cant rip on because I think they might suprise people.
Titans - Old Man Kerry Collins or Rookie Young going to get more wins than us...if so everyone on the Texans should just call it quits.
Browns - To many injuries preseason to be effective
Packers - Did anyone see the preseason Bengals game? (Maybe the Bengals players threatened their families) (joke)
Saints - If Shaun Salisbury was in charge they would be #1 because Reggie Bush would fly to the endzone.
Bills - Spikes and Maghee are solid.....but then there are the other positions....
Jets - Who is their RB if Curtis Martin doesnt come back and how soon until Pennington hurts his rotator cuff again?
49ers - Alex Smith is going to be a bust. Vernon Davis is straight gross though.

AtheGreat
09-05-2006, 11:42 PM
Isn't it funny that we rip ESPN for dogging us all the time, but they give us more respect than Fox (go figure):confused:


haha, yeah. i guess so. they even named DeMeco as one of their Def ROY potentials so, i guess we'll just have to prove the rest.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:10 AM
Texans have a top 5 draft pick next year.

Sorry guys.

New system, new coach, no talent....

I love the Texans for beating up on Dallas, but you all have no chance at a decent record. Your OL and DL stink.

In 2 years, you'll be a potent playoff team.

Tailgate
09-06-2006, 12:17 AM
Texans have a top 5 draft pick next year.

Sorry guys.

New system, new coach, no talent....

I love the Texans for beating up on Dallas, but you all have no chance at a decent record. Your OL and DL stink.

In 2 years, you'll be a potent playoff team.


If we are a top 5 pick is simply because of our schedule.... its pretty brutal.

Are you simply basing our O-Line and D-Line off of last year?? Because you would get pretty upset if we simply based our opinions of your D-Line off of last years play. Right?

TexansBull
09-06-2006, 12:29 AM
Texans have a top 5 draft pick next year.

Sorry guys.

New system, new coach, no talent....

I love the Texans for beating up on Dallas, but you all have no chance at a decent record. Your OL and DL stink.

In 2 years, you'll be a potent playoff team.


Go back to the other message board.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:29 AM
If we are a top 5 pick is simply because of our schedule.... its pretty brutal.

Are you simply basing our O-Line and D-Line off of last year?? Because you would get pretty upset if we simply based our opinions of your D-Line off of last years play. Right?

I base my opinion on the fact that the Texans have had the worst OL in the NFL since they came into the NFL - and last year was not an exception.

You added a good center, and thats it. Your starting a rookie LT who should be playing OG. There really isn't any talent there.

On the DL, the only player worth mentioning is Mario Williams (who I believe was a good pick. Personally, I think Bush was just too talented to pass up, but I can definately understand the rationale, especially from Kubs. If I were you all, I would have traded down, but that;s neither hear nor there).

Compare that to the Eagles OL & DL.

On the OL, we missed pro-bowl LT William Thomas for most of the season. He's a top 5 guy at his position, and second only to Jones as far as pass blocking goes. We have Andrews - the best young OL in the NFL at RG. We have Runyan at RT, and any football fan can tell you what he brings to the table.

Jackson played VERY well last year after Fraley went out, and battled the best NT in the NFL to a stand still against the Steelers. Herremans is a real talent at LG< though he may be a better OT. Frankly, this is one of the best OLs in the NFL. Easy top 10.

On the DL, we were missing our starting LE last year (McDougle) who is now our 4th DE. Both starting DTs played injured all last year (Rayburn and Walker) and our 3rd guy was a rookie (Patterson, who made every all-rookie team BTW). We had to rotate in Cole at DE at the end of the season, and he ended up being rookie of the month and posting 5 sacks (another guy who made every all-rookie team). Of course, we didn't rest and hope our rookies improved and our former starters got healthy - we added Howard at DE who is an 11 sack a year guy, and the #1 rated 1-gap DT in the draft (Bunkley).

Frankly, you can't compare the Texans and Eagles lines. We have among the best lines in football. The Texans have among the worst.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:32 AM
Go back to the other message board.

Naaa - I like bringing logic and reality to this one.

TexansBull
09-06-2006, 12:40 AM
Naaa - I like bringing logic and reality to this one.

Let me guess, someone disproved your credability on the other thread so your over hear waaaaaay off topic.

You are arguing with a team that is 4 years old, and in those four years your team has done alot, of choking. Tell Donny boy to quit being a mommas boy with all those soup commercials and grow a pair.

vtech9
09-06-2006, 12:44 AM
Naaa - I like bringing logic and reality to this one.
your opinion of logic and reality anyway....I think you have either been misinformed or haven't done your homework or both. I think you will be surpised by our Oline and Dline when we play you guys. We still don't know what we have as far as the QB goes, but our lines are greatly improved, not only by talent, but also by coaching.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:51 AM
your opinion of logic and reality anyway....I think you have either been misinformed or haven't done your homework or both. I think you will be surpised by our Oline and Dline when we play you guys. We still don't know what we have as far as the QB goes, but our lines are greatly improved, not only by talent, but also by coaching.

I actually like Carr as a QB believe it or not. If he had a decent OL, I think he'd be a good QB... Maybe even really good.

But look, your starting a rookie at LT. And he isn't even a natural LT.

Add to that several other new players and coaching systems, and it just isn't going to happen THIS year.

That's the reality of football. There was VERY little talent to begin with, and you are counting on rookies.

2 years from now, and your OL will probably be really good.

As far as the DL goes, your best player is a blue-chip rookie, but a rookie none the less.

I love Williams as a player (actually argued for the Eagles to trade up for him before we got Howard). But the guy is still as green as a string bean.

He'll be a really good player next year, but this year he's going to be good AND bad. He'll flash dominance, and then make a poor play. That's the way rookies work.

TexansBull
09-06-2006, 12:54 AM
I actually like Carr as a QB believe it or not. If he had a decent OL, I think he'd be a good QB... Maybe even really good.

But look, your starting a rookie at LT. And he isn't even a natural LT.

Add to that several other new players and coaching systems, and it just isn't going to happen THIS year.

That's the reality of football. There was VERY little talent to begin with, and you are counting on rookies.

2 years from now, and your OL will probably be really good.

As far as the DL goes, your best player is a blue-chip rookie, but a rookie none the less.

I love Williams as a player (actually argued for the Eagles to trade up for him before we got Howard). But the guy is still as green as a string bean.

He'll be a really good player next year, but this year he's going to be good AND bad. He'll flash dominance, and then make a poor play. That's the way rookies work.

Thank you. That was logical, and the truth.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 01:14 AM
Thank you. That was logical, and the truth.

Hey man, I'm not here to troll.

I think with Kubs the team is headed in the right direction. They need 2 more good drafts to build up the talent base, and they'll be a contender.

But I really think some of your fans are going off the deep end about this season. I read some "comparison" of the Texans and Eagles where Carr was a better QB and MORE MOBILE then McNabb. I mean, other the Vick, McNabb is the best running QB in the NFL.

It was comical.

Nothing wrong with being hyped about your team, but some realism and perspective needs to be used.

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 01:21 AM
Texans have a top 5 draft pick next year.

Sorry guys.

New system, new coach, no talent....

I love the Texans for beating up on Dallas, but you all have no chance at a decent record. Your OL and DL stink.

In 2 years, you'll be a potent playoff team.
Yeahm thanks. This team went 7-9 two years ago, only a loss to freaking Cleaveland kept us from a .500 record. Looking at the roster then and now, I think its pretty obvious that we've gotten better at almost every positions, probably with the exception of the secondary. Last season we were a below average team with a terrible coach and a bad mix of injuries. If you really want to chart the Texans progress and make a realistic projection of this season, I think its much wiser to consider this an average team that had a terrible year then simply a bad team. Consider us push-overs based on last season at your own risk.

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 01:28 AM
I base my opinion on the fact that the Texans have had the worst OL in the NFL since they came into the NFL - and last year was not an exception.

You added a good center, and thats it. Your starting a rookie LT who should be playing OG. There really isn't any talent there.

On the DL, the only player worth mentioning is Mario Williams (who I believe was a good pick. Personally, I think Bush was just too talented to pass up, but I can definately understand the rationale, especially from Kubs. If I were you all, I would have traded down, but that;s neither hear nor there).

Compare that to the Eagles OL & DL.

On the OL, we missed pro-bowl LT William Thomas for most of the season. He's a top 5 guy at his position, and second only to Jones as far as pass blocking goes. We have Andrews - the best young OL in the NFL at RG. We have Runyan at RT, and any football fan can tell you what he brings to the table.

Jackson played VERY well last year after Fraley went out, and battled the best NT in the NFL to a stand still against the Steelers. Herremans is a real talent at LG< though he may be a better OT. Frankly, this is one of the best OLs in the NFL. Easy top 10.

On the DL, we were missing our starting LE last year (McDougle) who is now our 4th DE. Both starting DTs played injured all laand st year (Rayburn and Walker) and our 3rd guy was a rookie (Patterson, who made every all-rookie team BTW). We had to rotate in Cole at DE at the end of the season, and he ended up being rookie of the month and posting 5 sacks (another guy who made every all-rookie team). Of course, we didn't rest and hope our rookies improved and our former starters got healthy - we added Howard at DE who is an 11 sack a year guy, and the #1 rated 1-gap DT in the draft (Bunkley).

Frankly, you can't compare the Texans and Eagles lines. We have among the best lines in football. The Texans have among the worst.
When the offense lines up against the Eagels on Sunday, every single offensive line position will be occupied by a player differant from the one who started in that position last year. We have two new starters, (thats 40% of the line), a pro bowl center (while last year we had a converted guard here) and two solid but unspectacular veterans on the right side.
Meanwhile, our D-line is probably now one of the top 10 in the league. The only holdover from last year's line is Seth Payne, and he is going to be playing a completly differant position. We have added a proven veteran performer in Weaver who is still in the upside of his career, an athletic monster in Mario and have put Travis Johnson, Peek and Babin back into their natural postitions. If you think this D-line has anything to do with the one we had on the field last season, you obviously know very little about the Texans...

FYI- Howard has averaged about 6 sacks a season for his career...

MorKnolle
09-06-2006, 01:32 AM
I like how everyone at ESPN still can't say anything about our offseason, training camp, preseason, or regular season outlook without the predominant jist of their information being centered around us taking Mario over Reggie (at least now they're not outright saying it was the worst decision ever and are saying things more like "it might not be fair, but people are going to keep comparing the two", etc.) They have to do everything they can to subtly rub it in more, as they know Mario's stats will never compare to Reggie's to the casual fan, and they still can't or else refuse to acknowledge our new coaching staff, new schemes, the rest of our very strong draft, or any of our other offseason acquisitions when appraising our outlook for this season, much less actually being open to the fact that it might have actually been the right decision for our team (which I agree with). The rest of the country seems to have let the shock of the draft go by now, it's time ESPN joins them and starts focusing on the present and near future rather than a single decision made over four months ago.

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 01:33 AM
I like how everyone at ESPN still can't say anything about our offseason, training camp, preseason, or regular season outlook without the predominant jist of their information being centered around us taking Mario over Reggie (at least now they're not outright saying it was the worst decision ever and are saying things more like "it might not be fair, but people are going to keep comparing the two", etc.) They have to do everything they can to subtly rub it in more, as they know Mario's stats will never compare to Reggie's to the casual fan, and they still can't or else refuse to acknowledge our new coaching staff, new schemes, the rest of our very strong draft, or any of our other offseason acquisitions. The rest of the country seems to have let the shock of the draft go by now, it's time ESPN joins them and starts focusing on the present and near future rather than a single decision made over four months ago.
Dare we expect objectivity from a national "unbiased" media source?

Vinny
09-06-2006, 01:35 AM
I thought we drafted for need too (I think it is a mistake to draft for need at the top of the draft)...I don't think they are being unfair. Williams has to prove otherwise imo.

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 01:40 AM
I thought we drafted for need too (I think it is a mistake to draft for need at the top of the draft)...I don't think they are being unfair. Williams has to prove otherwise imo.
Ehh, we've beaten to subject to hell repetadly.
Slightly off topic, Vinny, who did you want us to draft if not Mario?

LBC_Justin
09-06-2006, 01:46 AM
On the DL, the only player worth mentioning is Mario Williams (who I believe was a good pick. Personally, I think Bush was just too talented to pass up, but I can definately understand the rationale, especially from Kubs. If I were you all, I would have traded down, but that;s neither hear nor there).

If I was you I would marry a supermodel.

oh that's right, just like trading down you have to have the other person agree to do it.

Bottomline is we wanted Mario. The Saints wanted Mario too. They weren't trading up. So if we wanted him, we had to take him with the 1st pick.

Oh BTW. You might not know this. When the GREAT Reggie Bush dropped down to the #2 pick do you know how many offers New Orleans got to trade up to get him. ZERO...Not a single offer. Not even a sniff. People didn't even call to see what it would take to trade up.

infantrycak
09-06-2006, 01:49 AM
I think it is a mistake to draft for need at the top of the draft

I agree with that statement but JMO it comes from a slightly pre-cap mindset. The cap has to be taken into consideration as well for example. The best talent around might be a punter who can boom it 70 yds consistantly or lawn dart it at the 2 from 50 yds out but no team would or should pay $9 mil a year for a punter. JMO but what was reported after the draft seems very likely--25 teams Bush at the top 7 teams Williams at the top. There are arguments for each such that I don't see how the pick is a pure need based one especially for a team with a run heavy offense and a gimpy RB who was above average but not stellar to begin with.

Vinny
09-06-2006, 02:07 AM
Ehh, we've beaten to subject to hell repetadly.
Slightly off topic, Vinny, who did you want us to draft if not Mario?eh, I'm not gonna rehash months of arguments....I'm fine with the pick as I have accepted the decision, but wouldn't have done it myself.

Infantrycak, you make a fine point...but I think we drafted Williams on his workout and his upside and not his production. Jury is out for a while on this one.

beerlover
09-06-2006, 02:21 AM
Ehh, we've beaten to subject to hell repetadly.
Slightly off topic, Vinny, who did you want us to draft if not Mario?

well its not Vinny :rolleyes: but alot of us old timers wanted Vince Young & not Reggie Bush anyways. In the end I think it will be he who is proven to be the best of the best. while gearing up for our own HoutsonTexans.com message board Mock Draft I spurned the opportunity to make the Texans pick because it was just announced that the Texans signed David Carr to a three year extension, so there was no way they would consider at that point taking VY. Hence Reggie became the next logical choice, but when negoiations dragged the week before the draft the Texans expressed interest in Mario Williams who proceeded to blow them away with this tremendous measureables and character so they worked a deal easily, quickly & the rest they say is history.

as far as week one power rankings, who gives a rip all I know is week two the Texans power ranking will move up and steadily distance itself away from that lower ranked positon we would all just like to forget about :shades:

MorKnolle
09-06-2006, 02:23 AM
I thought we drafted for need too (I think it is a mistake to draft for need at the top of the draft)...I don't think they are being unfair. Williams has to prove otherwise imo.

I can understand where their initial argument comes from on that, but after 4 months they should be able to find other things about our team to comment on rather than rehashing the same gibberish about the Mario over Reggie pick, and while they aren't as blatantly calling it stupid anymore I feel that they are still trying to throw out little jabs like that to make us look stupid and make them look smart, like that line about comparing their stats, one more on the eternal list of reminders for everyone to compare the two players' stats. Unless Reggie bombs out, there is not much Mario can do that will ever equal Reggie's stats in the eyes of casual fans who only look up the boxscore of the games on the internet or in the newspaper, they miss out on seeing the actual on-field difference and impact that both players create. Not to mention when Bush gets so much face time on SportsCenter while Mario barely gets anything (I understand showing his 40 yard run against the Titans a couple times, but I have never seen such a big deal made over a guy that put up 20 total yards in a game as I've seen over the last 3 preseason games of theirs, and showing plays that he gains 4 yards on over and over and reaching to find the vague glorious components of the play that he apparently demonstrates is ridiculous). I expect better out of ESPN's people (maybe that's my mistake in this), they are supposed to be the premiere sports source in this country and all they keep doing is throwing out reminders to make unfair comparisons of stats between two players at positions that can't really be compared rather than actually watching any of the games or practices themselves and seeing/evaluating how each player is impacting their overall team. They [ESPN] are taking the lazy and uneducated way out of this IMO, whether it's just to be lazy and make gross generalizations or if they are still a little burned over us going against their omnipotent wisdom I don't know, but I think most of their people over there are doing a halfass job of evaluating this thing.

run-david-run
09-06-2006, 02:25 AM
I agree with Vinny's statement that we drafted Mario on what we though he could do, not what he had previously done. But I also think that investing 60M into a bit part player is a far worse decison. Anyway, if i dont hear anything else about the NFL draft for the next 8 months or so, I wont complain.

MorKnolle
09-06-2006, 02:38 AM
I agree with Vinny's statement that we drafted Mario on what we though he could do, not what he had previously done. But I also think that investing 60M into a bit part player is a far worse decison. Anyway, if i dont hear anything else about the NFL draft for the next 8 months or so, I wont complain.

That is the majority of the puzzle, what these guys get paid to do. Anyone sitting at home on their couch can pull up stats (and most of them do) and highlight plays of these guys and form their personal rankings based on past performance, it's the job of the professionals in charge of these teams to use that to evaluate how they think the players will perform in their system and how they can impact their team in the future, it's something that 99.9% of the people that are watching cannot truly evaluate because they don't know the background workings and ideas behind the team.

Reggie was an awesome college player and a great prospect, I would love to have him on our team and I think he could do very well in our system, however I realize that we can be very successful on offense without the stud RBs (Denver over the last 11 years, our preseason running game looked pretty solid), not to mention any questions about how his game adapts to the NFL, his durability, etc. That is something the professionals have to evaluate, not to mention the prospect of making an unproven rookie the highest paid RB in the league and the salary cap ramifications of that. I agree with their decision that I think Mario adds more to this defense than Bush could bring to this offense, but only time will tell how much he will produce (what everyone can observe) and how much he truly impacts our defense (something that probably no one outside of the coaching staff can ever get a good grasp of).

It's anyone's guess as to how much Bush could have done here, we'll never know on that, but comparing his numbers on a different team in a completely different system to that of a defensive lineman's is only looking at a very small fraction of the big picture. Unfortunately most if not all of us are limited to that small portion of understanding, especially when that's all that the definitive sports source in this country can offer us as well. I was merely pointing out that I'd like to actually have somewhat up-to-date evaluation of how the team is doing and the direction it is heading rather than the same old 4 month old reminder of our draft day decision.

Anyways, back to the original topic, interesting preseason power rankings, I don't agree with a lot of them but at this stage of the game it's completely an arbitrary judgment so we'll just have to wait and see, that's why they play the games on the field rather than on paper (or on Madden).

goodnews boy
09-06-2006, 09:01 AM
[QUOTE=

Frankly, you can't compare the Texans and Eagles lines. We have among the best lines in football. The Texans have among the worst.[/QUOTE]

And thatís why they play the game. I hope your team thinks the same as you do. Because we have a surprise for ya'll:highfive:

PhillyFan
09-06-2006, 09:07 AM
Ehh, we've beaten to subject to hell repetadly.
Slightly off topic, Vinny, who did you want us to draft if not Mario?

I would have traded back with the Jets.

Could have gotten 2 or 3 very good players, as opposed to 1 excellent player.

Face it...you guys could have drafted 3 offensive linemen studs.

Think about how much help that would be this year.

PhillyFan
09-06-2006, 09:08 AM
And thatís why they play the game. I hope your team thinks the same as you do. Because we have a surprise for ya'll:highfive:



Im curious as to how many of you tooting your horn so loudly, have put your money where your mouth is?

RiotCommander
09-06-2006, 09:15 AM
I would have traded back with the Jets.

Could have gotten 2 or 3 very good players, as opposed to 1 excellent player.

Face it...you guys could have drafted 3 offensive linemen studs.

Think about how much help that would be this year.


Its really easy to say something like that. The fact is the Jets have to want to move up. We can't just call them up and say "Hey we decided to allow you the honor of trading up with us". I for one wanted to get Ferguson with the first pick, but if we had then we wouldn't have gotten Spencer. From the looks of things we most likely would have gotten another LB or CB rather then a OG.

Overall I'm happy with how the draft turned out.

chuckm
09-06-2006, 09:17 AM
I would have traded back with the Jets.

Could have gotten 2 or 3 very good players, as opposed to 1 excellent player.

Face it...you guys could have drafted 3 offensive linemen studs.

Think about how much help that would be this year.


I heard through the grapevine that Kubiak actually put Mangini in a headlock and gave him noogies in a last ditch attempt to get the Jets to agree to a draft day trade ..... but alas Mangini held out ....

chuckm
09-06-2006, 09:19 AM
Im curious as to how many of you tooting your horn so loudly, have put your money where your mouth is?


Does season tickets, parking passes, jerseys, and $7 beers count?

Texans_Chick
09-06-2006, 09:30 AM
I agree with Vinny's statement that we drafted Mario on what we though he could do, not what he had previously done. But I also think that investing 60M into a bit part player is a far worse decison. Anyway, if i dont hear anything else about the NFL draft for the next 8 months or so, I wont complain.

Mario came out as a true junior, not a redshirt, so there is still development that can happen

That being said, his college stats, true junior or otherwise, is the kind of production that can justify a first pick. They are comparable to Julius Pepper's stats and some people thought he should have been picked 1 in 2002.

Mario's college production is actually remarkable given the changes in defensive philosophy that he went through during college where different coaches wanted him to do different things.

Just saying. He is not just a combine warrior.

yourfavoritetexan42
09-06-2006, 09:39 AM
Texans have a top 5 draft pick next year.

Sorry guys.

New system, new coach, no talent....

I love the Texans for beating up on Dallas, but you all have no chance at a decent record. Your OL and DL stink.

In 2 years, you'll be a potent playoff team.


o line and d line stink?

o line...you can say whatever you want...because they have yet to prove anything this year in the regular season, but the regular season starts in 4 days.

D line?? I think our D line has the potential to be one of the nastiest in the league, not only solid starters but a whole lot of depth.

As for no talent... I would take Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds over any other duo in the NFL aside from Harrison/Wayne

infantrycak
09-06-2006, 10:07 AM
I think we drafted Williams on his workout and his upside and not his production. Jury is out for a while on this one.

That I definitely agree with--he is a potential pick more so than some other possible picks.

edo783
09-06-2006, 11:38 AM
I love how so many people keep saying "Should have traded back for .....". The fact is no one wanted to trade up for the number 1 pick (or #2 for that matter). It has been that way for a couple of years. The top 2 or 3 spots are so expensive clubs don't want them (cap is why) and to give up picks to do it is just a double wammy.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:13 PM
When the offense lines up against the Eagels on Sunday, every single offensive line position will be occupied by a player differant from the one who started in that position last year. We have two new starters, (thats 40% of the line), a pro bowl center (while last year we had a converted guard here) and two solid but unspectacular veterans on the right side.
Meanwhile, our D-line is probably now one of the top 10 in the league. The only holdover from last year's line is Seth Payne, and he is going to be playing a completly differant position. We have added a proven veteran performer in Weaver who is still in the upside of his career, an athletic monster in Mario and have put Travis Johnson, Peek and Babin back into their natural postitions. If you think this D-line has anything to do with the one we had on the field last season, you obviously know very little about the Texans...

FYI- Howard has averaged about 6 sacks a season for his career...

Having new starters at every position isn't a plus - the OL needs a LOT of time to gell. And the overall talent is still low.

The D line has some talent, no doubt. But lets see Mario make some plays before we annoint him the next Reggie White.

FYI - Howard averages over a half sack a game for his career. He'd be the best player on your DL.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:22 PM
o line and d line stink?
As for no talent... I would take Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds over any other duo in the NFL aside from Harrison/Wayne

I guess you've never heard of:

Fitzgerald and Boldin.
Or Smith and Johnson.
Or Owens and Glenn.
Or Holt and Bruce.
Or Moss and Porter.
Or Walker and Smith.
Or Johnson and Houshmandzadeh.

Those are just the pairs that are CLEARLY AND UNDISPUTEDLY better then the Texans duo.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:25 PM
I love how so many people keep saying "Should have traded back for .....". The fact is no one wanted to trade up for the number 1 pick (or #2 for that matter). It has been that way for a couple of years. The top 2 or 3 spots are so expensive clubs don't want them (cap is why) and to give up picks to do it is just a double wammy.

Meh - I dissagree.

It takes a franchise QB for a team to make the move.

This draft was so deep that people didn't NEED to trade up to get a good player. This past draft was one of the deepest in the last decade.

Most teams won't trade up for a RB (Bush) who was the only guy worth trading up for.

chuckm
09-06-2006, 12:28 PM
Meh - I dissagree.

It takes a franchise QB for a team to make the move.

This draft was so deep that people didn't NEED to trade up to get a good player. This past draft was one of the deepest in the last decade.

Most teams won't trade up for a RB (Bush) who was the only guy worth trading up for.

Regardless, by all accounts the Texans NEVER had a realistic opportunity to trade down .... that is the thrust of the original post .... you cannot trade down unless ANOTHER team agrees to trade up ... see?

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:32 PM
Regardless, by all accounts the Texans NEVER had a realistic opportunity to trade down .... that is the thrust of the original post .... you cannot trade down unless ANOTHER team agrees to trade up ... see?

I agree, though I'd be interested to hear the trade proposels that were made.

thunderkyss
09-06-2006, 12:44 PM
I would have traded back with the Jets.

Could have gotten 2 or 3 very good players, as opposed to 1 excellent player.

Face it...you guys could have drafted 3 offensive linemen studs.

Think about how much help that would be this year.

First you have to understand what the problem was on the Offensive line. It wasn't talent. Hence we are 3 of our 5 starting OLmen are returning as starters, with a 4th on the bench.

& we believe we drafted 2 offensive linemen studs, one who is projected to start this year.

and we believe we not only got one excellent player(Mario Williams) we think we got two excellent players (Demeco Ryans: SEC Defensive player of the year), and another 2 or 3 very good players (Owen Daniels, Wali Lundy)

so thank you for your concern, but we think we've handled the draft pretty well.