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WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 08:28 AM
instead of all you dunce eagle fans dropping in to announce how the eagles are going to whip the texans this week -- how about throwing out some valid reasons why....and the response "im here to inform you the eagles are gonna kick butt because im a BIG eagles fan and its my job" is stupid nonsense that shouldnt be allowed to take up space on these boards.

for example, i would argue the texans have a great shot at winning this game because --

the eagles have reworked the 23rd rated dline from a year ago, but what about the LBs behind them?? save trotter, this unit could be exposed against a texans team that ran pretty well in the pre season. knowing that they are facing a solid secordary, it wouldnt surprise me to see the texans come out and try and run alot against the eagles, while picking their spots against a usually blitz happy eagle D, no matter how good the secondary, if the oline can give Carr a few seconds of protection, i like johnson and moulds to be able to find some spots to make plays.

that being said, the eagles arent very scary on offense. honestly, eagle fans better hope for big things from stallworth and reggie brown, because andy reid hasnt shown much faith in the westbrook running attack (last year the eagles were primarily a pass first offense --- what does reid have against westbrook?? sure the guy is a good receiving back, but i think he can run as well). additionally, the texans showed a pretty stout defense in the preseason and the new 4-3 defense could give some real trouble to the eagle offense. it wouldnt surprise me to see a lot of david akers in this one.

to me, all of that adds up to a game that should be a close one, with both teams having things they "need" to do in order to win. being a texan fan, i like the texans chances on running against the eagles and being able to exploit johnson and moulds in man coverage. i also think the defense has shown enough promise in the preseason to think that they can keep the held down to a couple of fgs and a touchdown. if so, a 1-0 start wouldnt be a surprise.

id really like to hear from some eagles guys as to "why" they think they can/should/will win, but please, try to be objective and factual...

thanks,

W. Bum

cap1
09-05-2006, 08:33 AM
Yeah What he said. :spy:

eagle.randall
09-05-2006, 08:44 AM
Maybe your rookie LT getting blown up all day by Darren Howard and Broderick Bunkley all day. Carr will be running for his life.

Stop with the last year stuuf. Both of our teams were bad last year. We were injury riddled and our backups didnt perform. You guys should have won more games than you did, but.............You have new players, new coaches, and a new scheme. We have new players, and hopefully a new scheme. Don't compare us to last years Eagles, just like it would not be fair for us to compare you to last years Texans. Your teams has improved, but David Carr has not. I live in Houston, so I see everything on tv and in the paper. Carl Dukes on the new morning show on ESPN 790, said he predicted that the fans would call for Sage to start instead of Carr by halftime in the Eagles game.

texflex513
09-05-2006, 08:55 AM
I think the key to our offense rolling is going to be the blocking of spencer at LT and the blitz recog of lundy, if those 2 play well then the offense will roll. Philly's d line is one of the best and their secondary is above average. The 3 things i worry about from philly's O is the bomb to stallworth the dump off to westbrook and mcnabb scrambling around the place. Our D should provide a good run stopping effort, and we will win this game. GO TEXANS!!!!!!!

ItsAJtime
09-05-2006, 08:55 AM
Texans should win because of the excitement level and noise.

I will admit, I watched about half of an Eagles pre-season game and McNabb was on target and the offense looked unstoppable. That scared me with our secondary being questionable.

We must be loud Sunday to help our team. It will be close. I hope we win 17-14. Wait that is what I predict, I hope we win 27-0, so I won't be woried all game.

TheOgre
09-05-2006, 08:57 AM
You guys should have won more games than you did


I'm still convinced that Kris Brown deliberately shanked those two kicks late in the season.

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles
09-05-2006, 09:36 AM
although i usually can never use preseason to back up arguments, i feel that this is a preseason stat that is worthy of using. The Eagles sacked opposing QBs 21 times...that is 5 more than the closest team behind them with about 1.2 sacks per game more than the closest team behind them. The Texans gave up only 4 sacks during the preseason which is a major improvement from last year. I believe this has to do with the new blocking schemes Kubiak has brought in with the added addition of the many QB rollouts. I do think that Philly's D Line is one of the quickest in the league with Howard and Kearse in their that they might be able to contain Carr but it'll be tough with how the Texans line is playing. Our secondary, when healthy, as you may or may not remember sent several players to the pro-bowl 2 seasons ago and probably should have had 2 CBs in that year. Last year they were a bit battered along with the rest of the team.

Houston has notched 10 sacks this preseason (~2.5 per game) while Philly has given up 12 (~2.4 per game). This game will be won in the trenches.

Also someone mentioned our LBs...although they are the weak spot on this defense (if there is one) you can't underestimate one of the best runstoppers in the league with Trotter. With the D Line that the Eagles have its gonna be tough to block Howard, Patterson, Bunkley, Kearse, AND Trotter to get into the secondary. Look at a preseason game with a comparable D line in Denver and you'll see that your first team offense put up only 6 points while throwing a pick and running pretty ineffectively.

I think it will be a closer game than I would like to see but I still see the Eagles coming out on top. With a healthy team in their our offense has to many weapons beit Brown and Stallworth on your CBs, LJ out in the flat, or Westbrook out of the backfield, not to mention McNabb's legs. Again, it will come down to who plays better in the trenches.

texanfan2100
09-05-2006, 09:37 AM
instead of all you dunce eagle fans dropping in to announce how the eagles are going to whip the texans this week -- how about throwing out some valid reasons why

Are you really asking Philadelphia fans to be intelligent? :ok:

infantrycak
09-05-2006, 09:42 AM
Are you really asking Philadelphia fans to be intelligent? :ok:

Well comments like this one don't help.

WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 09:42 AM
Maybe your rookie LT getting blown up all day by Darren Howard and Broderick Bunkley all day. Carr will be running for his life.

Stop with the last year stuuf. Both of our teams were bad last year. We were injury riddled and our backups didnt perform. You guys should have won more games than you did, but.............You have new players, new coaches, and a new scheme. We have new players, and hopefully a new scheme. Don't compare us to last years Eagles, just like it would not be fair for us to compare you to last years Texans. Your teams has improved, but David Carr has not. I live in Houston, so I see everything on tv and in the paper. Carl Dukes on the new morning show on ESPN 790, said he predicted that the fans would call for Sage to start instead of Carr by halftime in the Eagles game.


come on? carr will be running for his life from a guy in howard who has averaged 6 sacks a season over his career? please. based on what -- his 4 sacks last year? the guy hasnt played a full season since 2002. howard might be a quality player with talent, but he's no simeon rice. and ill go ahead and disregard the fact that you suggested carr will be running for his life from a rookie who held out for 16 days of camp. a rook has to prove something before you make statements like that. the eagles should be worried more about stopping the run than chasing carr.

the last year comparisons i made are completely fair, what upgrades did the eagles make at LB?? hopefully trotter will continue to play well and not lapse into his form with the redskins. adding howard and the rookie bunkley may help the dline, but neither can be called superstars which validates that they still have questions from last year.

the texans on the other hand brought in a coach who has a proven record with getting the most out of his QBs, and has mike sherman (a prior head coach with a career winning record) helping him reshape a formally dismal offensive line. on defense, changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 on defense can only be a positive thing for the texans defense, while the eagles didnt really upgrade the offense much except for picking up stallworth to go with brown. who are the eagles going to use on short yardage situations? are they going to run the ball at all?? those are some serious questions from last year that really haven't been answered.

when you add all that up, things look a lot more promising for the texans than they do the eagles. and btw, i dont live in houston, so thankfully i dont have to hear nonsense about the fans calling for sage by halftime...looks like 790 hired bufoons to compete with the dummies over at 610....i love houston and wish i still lived there, but the sports radio is horrendous.....hee hee, the fond memories i have of matt jackson, john grenado and the biggest dunce in radio -- jeremy foster....ugghhhhh!

W. Bum

HOU-TEX
09-05-2006, 09:48 AM
although i usually can never use preseason to back up arguments, i feel that this is a preseason stat that is worthy of using. The Eagles sacked opposing QBs 21 times...that is 5 more than the closest team behind them with about 1.2 sacks per game more than the closest team behind them. The Texans gave up only 4 sacks during the preseason which is a major improvement from last year. I believe this has to do with the new blocking schemes Kubiak has brought in with the added addition of the many QB rollouts. I do think that Philly's D Line is one of the quickest in the league with Howard and Kearse in their that they might be able to contain Carr but it'll be tough with how the Texans line is playing. Our secondary, when healthy, as you may or may not remember sent several players to the pro-bowl 2 seasons ago and probably should have had 2 CBs in that year. Last year they were a bit battered along with the rest of the team.

Houston has notched 10 sacks this preseason (~2.5 per game) while Philly has given up 12 (~2.4 per game). This game will be won in the trenches.

Also someone mentioned our LBs...although they are the weak spot on this defense (if there is one) you can't underestimate one of the best runstoppers in the league with Trotter. With the D Line that the Eagles have its gonna be tough to block Howard, Patterson, Bunkley, Kearse, AND Trotter to get into the secondary. Look at a preseason game with a comparable D line in Denver and you'll see that your first team offense put up only 6 points while throwing a pick and running pretty ineffectively.

I think it will be a closer game than I would like to see but I still see the Eagles coming out on top. With a healthy team in their our offense has to many weapons beit Brown and Stallworth on your CBs, LJ out in the flat, or Westbrook out of the backfield, not to mention McNabb's legs. Again, it will come down to who plays better in the trenches.

Nice post. I agree to your statement "it'll be won in the trenches". I've said that a few times the past week or two. I still will not predict who's going to win due to the fact we are green. In other words, we have yet to gel as an offensive unit. The defense looked good but I don't think our secondary was truely tested. I'm at least hoping to see us come out and play a good game and possibly pull out a win.:twocents:

WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 10:00 AM
although i usually can never use preseason to back up arguments, i feel that this is a preseason stat that is worthy of using. The Eagles sacked opposing QBs 21 times...that is 5 more than the closest team behind them with about 1.2 sacks per game more than the closest team behind them. The Texans gave up only 4 sacks during the preseason which is a major improvement from last year. I believe this has to do with the new blocking schemes Kubiak has brought in with the added addition of the many QB rollouts. I do think that Philly's D Line is one of the quickest in the league with Howard and Kearse in their that they might be able to contain Carr but it'll be tough with how the Texans line is playing. Our secondary, when healthy, as you may or may not remember sent several players to the pro-bowl 2 seasons ago and probably should have had 2 CBs in that year. Last year they were a bit battered along with the rest of the team.

Houston has notched 10 sacks this preseason (~2.5 per game) while Philly has given up 12 (~2.4 per game). This game will be won in the trenches.

Also someone mentioned our LBs...although they are the weak spot on this defense (if there is one) you can't underestimate one of the best runstoppers in the league with Trotter. With the D Line that the Eagles have its gonna be tough to block Howard, Patterson, Bunkley, Kearse, AND Trotter to get into the secondary. Look at a preseason game with a comparable D line in Denver and you'll see that your first team offense put up only 6 points while throwing a pick and running pretty ineffectively.

I think it will be a closer game than I would like to see but I still see the Eagles coming out on top. With a healthy team in their our offense has to many weapons beit Brown and Stallworth on your CBs, LJ out in the flat, or Westbrook out of the backfield, not to mention McNabb's legs. Again, it will come down to who plays better in the trenches.

hey -- reread my post, i give all the props to the eagles secondary, i think it might be the strongest part of the team. the only think about judging numbers from preseason is i think you really have to look at the first team versus first team numbers and forget the rest. i dont know how the eagles numbers might look after that, but my point would be that buckley is a rook who is done NOTHING in the NFL, howard is solid and kearse just isnt the player he once was. of all of them, kearse has the most potential to make some noise, but i also think that the LB corps behind that line is very suspect....if the texans are able to run the ball, carr wont have to be running for his life. and having a threat like moulds will only help johnson.

as far as the preseason game against denver, lundy averaged 4.4 ypc on 10 carries. had the first team played the entire game....who knows how it would have turned out.

W. Bum

Honoring Earl 34
09-05-2006, 10:23 AM
Howard has the advantage against the pass but Spencer will hurt him on running plays . This is one big , strong , and mean rookie ... don't be surprised to see Darren going backwards . God help him if Spencer falls on him .

Buckley could'nt beat out Travis Johnson at FSU . I believe this is advantage Texans .:wild:

PhillyFan
09-05-2006, 10:27 AM
Im going to give several valid reasons as to why the Eagles will win this game convincingly.

1. The Texans O line may have a new scheme, and may be reworked, but the Eagles defensive line is nasty. Howard is on a mission it appears, and Bunkley appears unblockable. When you look at our 4, who are you going to double team? All 4 are worthy of it. If the Eagles end the game without 5 sacks, 5 hurries, and 5 tackles for a loss, I would be shocked.

2. The Eagles offensive line is a wall of meat. Brag all you want about Mario...yes, he will be a hell of a player...but Willie T is no slouch when it comes to defending superstar ends. Neither is John Runyan, who regularly matched up against Strahan twice a year for the last 5 or so years. If the Texans do decide to blitz, I do think the Eagles slot receiver will be able to catch a hot slant rather easily. Jason Avant has hands of glue...I cant believe the balls he has caught.

3. The Eagles linebackers are a trememdous weakness. Trotter is great...the other 2 suck. But I dont think that will be a liability against the Texans, because I think we will see a lot of nickle sets with Trotter and Barber at LB.

4. Mcnabb. McNabb in the regular season is money. He now actually has a few weapons he can rely on...and the ability to hit Stallworth 40 yards downfield on the money is really going to keep your secondary honest.

5. Special teams. Its a very underrated part of football. Our special teams has the ability to start almost every drive for us at the 35. And our coverage units have the ability to hold you guys tight on your returns.



Anyone want to debate these points before I move on? And dont homer it...these are honest points, as I see them. Im not being snooty or bragging at all.

eriadoc
09-05-2006, 10:33 AM
I am optimistic by nature, so I have felt that the Texans have a shot at winning versus the Eagles. I figured I would take a look at why I felt that way by looking at the matchups. I think my spirits have been dampened somewhat, but coaching and scheme count for a lot, as does home field advantage (be quiet when the offense is on the field please!).

Anyway, share your opinions.

QB: Carr v. McNabb - I haven't been a big McNabb fan over the years, but the Eagles have the clear advantage here. Carr might actually be a little more mobile and his bootlegs will help the running game, but in terms of passing, McNabb is clearly better. This isn't a Carr thread, so I'll leave it at that.

WR: AJ/Moulds/Walter v. Brown/Stallworth/Baskett - clear advantage for the Texans here, IMO. Stallworth just joined the Eagles and will require some time to adjust tot he QB and scheme, though he can still run a fly well. Brown is still relatively unproven and Baskett is a rookie that came out of nowhere.

RB: Westbrook/Buckhalter v. Lundy/Morency - If Westbrook is healthy, I think this is about even. Lundy and Morency haven't proven anything yet, but the potential is there. Westbrook is a dynamic all-around back and Buckhalter is the big back they've been wanting him to be for a couple years now (he's their Joppru). The factor that makes this even, IMO, is scheme. In the past, Reid has thrown the ball quite a lot. The Eagles always talk about running the ball more, but when McNabb's in there, they throw a lot. Our team has a good scheme and is committed to running the ball. Westbrook might end up with better numbers than either of our backs, but I think our total rushing game will be better.

TE: LJ Smith v. Putzier/Owens/Daniels/Joppru - LJ Smith is a top-notch TE and the Eagles script nearly as many plays for him as they do for Westbrook. Our guys are used quite a bit by Kubiak, though we don't have one individual standout. With the gameplan that Kubiak has shown throughout his Denver years and during the preseason, I'll give the edge to the Texans.

Eagles O-line v. Texans D-line - Tra Thomas, Shane Andrews, and Jon Runyan are very good linemen. Mario Williams and Travis Johnson are unproven and will have their share of growing pains. Payne is a solid, proven vet and Weaver is a good lineman. Babin and Peek off the bench may pull this one a little closer to even. If we can keep pressure on McNabb, we stand a good shot at taking the game. If this O-line neutralizes our front four, it's going to be a long day. At this point, I have to say edge to the Eagles.

Texans O-line v. Eagles D-line - Kearse and Howard off the ends will be as formidable as any opponents we will face this year, IMO. Spencer will be thrown into the fire and Wiegert hasn't really impressed me much this preseason (FWIW). The Eagles have their own talented rookie project in Bunkley, but he doesn't start. The bootlegs will help the Texans, but edge to the Eagles.

LB: Ryans/Orr/Greenwood v. Trotter/Jones/McCoy - Another unit where we have unproven talent. Ryans will be a good football player, but he will undoubtedly have some rookie moments this year. Some games will be better than others. Who is going to cover LJ Smith? We've been very bad against TEs in the past; I'm hoping this group can step it up this year. Orr has a high motor and Greenwood is fast, but I am still waiting to see what we paid for. I've heard some Eagle fans complain about Dhani Jones, but I think he's still a notch above anyone we put out there. Trotter is a solid vet. Edge to the Eagles.

Secondary: DRob/Sanders/Brown/Earl v. Brown/Sheppard/Lewis/Dawkins - I think most would say this is the biggest weakness of our team. Most teams we play this year, if not all, will have a better safety duo than we will. Robinson still makes plays, even when they're not spectacular, but he has no real help on the other side. Sanders has stepped up, but I think everyone would feel better if he were a nickel or dime back. The Eagles d-backs are smaller, but as we know from watching Robinson, that doesn't always matter. Dawkins at safety is the caliber of player I'd like to see the Texans have someday. Edge to the Eagles.

Kicker: Ours misses a lot. Akers doesn't.

Punter: Ours has had more practice than anyone in the league over the last few years. I like him a lot :)

real
09-05-2006, 10:40 AM
Why did you do OL vs DL but for all the others you went position vs position ? just curious...

El Tejano
09-05-2006, 10:49 AM
The one good thing we can grab about our group is the thing that we all have been saying all year.

Each one of these guys will have earned their position.

eriadoc
09-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Why did you do OL vs DL but for all the others you went position vs position ? just curious...

No good reason. I give the edge to the Eagles either way. They have a better O-line and a better D-line, at least on paper. Hopefully, our guys prove themselves and we look better on paper soon!

TexansLucky13
09-05-2006, 11:05 AM
No good reason. I give the edge to the Eagles either way. They have a better O-line and a better D-line, at least on paper. Hopefully, our guys prove themselves and we look better on paper soon!

Communism is also better on paper. But we know how that worked out.

On paper, our team does look good. The problem for 2005 was the Dom Capers liked to shred those papers. The problem for 2006 is that ESPN likes to hide those papers. We will soon be avenged.

EF55
09-05-2006, 11:13 AM
Not too bad of a study on our team.
But I need to throw out the fact that Westbrook is Healthy and Bucky is back to pre injury form. This is a huge deal regarding our run game. (We would have won the NFCG in 2001 against the Rams if Bucky hadn't got injured before the 1st half.) With both Bucky and Westy healthy I think the Eagles have an edge here. Although it's not known what impact Ron Dayne will have for you guys. If the Eagles dictate the game you will be forced to pass anyway, negating a decent run game.

Also at Tight end LJ Smith was having nothing short of a pro bowl season before D-mac was hurt. It's just my opinion but I think LJ will suprise you guys with his level of play.

I think the LB play may be a push other than Trotter, this is deciving though because if our front 4 are getting penetration it's gonna make the LB play look better than it is. This is clearly the most concerning area of our defense. Week one is hard to say we may see McCoy really step in well but we'll see. I would say a push on this.

Receivers I would agree that on paper you may have an edge but I watched Moulds in the KC game and he looks like he may have lost a little step, he looked good across the middle, but I think he gets his bell rung on sunday. we really don't know how Stallworth will mesh in week one so I would have to agree with you, although I don't believe it's a huge edge. Mcnabb will throw to 10 or 11 different players and his passing yards will exceed Carrs.

infantrycak
09-05-2006, 11:15 AM
We need a link for cut and pasted articles or they will be removed. Thanks.

eriadoc
09-05-2006, 11:19 AM
Im going to give several valid reasons as to why the Eagles will win this game convincingly.

1. The Texans O line may have a new scheme, and may be reworked, but the Eagles defensive line is nasty. Howard is on a mission it appears, and Bunkley appears unblockable. When you look at our 4, who are you going to double team? All 4 are worthy of it. If the Eagles end the game without 5 sacks, 5 hurries, and 5 tackles for a loss, I would be shocked.

I think you're going to be shocked, though I agree with your overall premise. This Texans O-line is much improved. Kubiak and Sherman can scheme well also. I do think Kease and Howard will get some pressure and it will be a big factor in the game.

2. The Eagles offensive line is a wall of meat. Brag all you want about Mario...yes, he will be a hell of a player...but Willie T is no slouch when it comes to defending superstar ends. Neither is John Runyan, who regularly matched up against Strahan twice a year for the last 5 or so years. If the Texans do decide to blitz, I do think the Eagles slot receiver will be able to catch a hot slant rather easily. Jason Avant has hands of glue...I cant believe the balls he has caught.

The Eagles do have a very good offensive line and I agree with your opinion here. It's not so much about Mario, however. Weaver is an overlooked and underrated offseason pickup and Peek is a tremendous pass rusher. Peek only plays passing downs, however. Our D-line is very deep this year, so I think that may factor in come 4th quarter. We'll see, but I do think the Eagles have the better side of the matchup at this point.

3. The Eagles linebackers are a trememdous weakness. Trotter is great...the other 2 suck. But I dont think that will be a liability against the Texans, because I think we will see a lot of nickle sets with Trotter and Barber at LB.

You'll be seeing tight end play in your sleep. If those linebackers can't cover, they'll be hurting. We have three solid receiving options at tight end and there may very well be times when all three are on the field (Joppru lines up at FB sometimes). This is one of the ways Kubiak will keep the Eagles from pinning their ears back.

4. Mcnabb. McNabb in the regular season is money. He now actually has a few weapons he can rely on...and the ability to hit Stallworth 40 yards downfield on the money is really going to keep your secondary honest.

I wouldn't be counting on that Stallworth 40-yarder just yet. He is going to take some time to adjust. I'm not thrilled with McNabb's targets as you seem to be, but if he has time (great O-line), then he can make most WRs look better than they are. This comes down to pressure, IMO. If he's in a rocking chair back there, the Texans have no chance. Of course, that's universally true.

5. Special teams. Its a very underrated part of football. Our special teams has the ability to start almost every drive for us at the 35. And our coverage units have the ability to hold you guys tight on your returns.

Most people don't know much about other teams' special teams unit. Throughout the Texans history, ST has been a strength of the team - good starting field position, good coverage, and our punter pins it inside the 20 pretty regularly (29 inside 20 last year to only one touchback). We have one of the best ST coaches in the league (Marciano). Our All Pro returner is injured, so you have something going for you there and our kicker can be inconsistent.

Texans_Chick
09-05-2006, 11:19 AM
From FOX Sports...


"The Eagles are going against a team that has a quarterback who has not yet proven himself (David Carr), a rookie running back (Wali Lundy) and a rookie left tackle (Charles Spencer). The Texans are implementing a run-blocking scheme, but they don't have the personnel to play it.

That's why the Texans rushing offense was ranked 6th in the preseason.

wolf123
09-05-2006, 11:36 AM
That's why the Texans rushing offense was ranked 6th in the preseason.

This is why the majority of Texans fans hate to read/listen to any analysis of their team by ESPN, SI, or Fox Sports. They never backup their statements with actual research, only opinions based on either "public opinion" or their own views. The majority of their statements are never a non-biased analysis. Take everything with a grain of salt

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles
09-05-2006, 12:14 PM
That's why the Texans rushing offense was ranked 6th in the preseason.

Please...7 teams who didnt make the playoffs last year had only 1 loss in the preseason last year...6 teams did the same the season before...preseason really means a lot.

also aside from Denver...Houston played a bunch of scrub defenses...especially rushing defenses.

The Eagles have an upgraded defensive front from last year...oh and that line held LT to 7 yards and was 7th in the league in yards/carry given up.

Dime
09-05-2006, 12:33 PM
Well... The Eagles imo are in a lose lose situtation here via media.

If the Eagles win - They are expected to win against the horrible Texans as the media see it..

If the Eagles Lose - Apparently , they havent recovered from the TO incident, or that is how the media will play it out.

Texans are in the same boat.

If the Texans Win - The the only reason we won was because TO Incident threw the Eagles into Choas and it not because the Texans are good enough to beat them, it just the Eagles are confused.

If the Texans lose - Then the Texans would have won if they selected you know who and lets go see highlights of him instead.

Brandon420tx
09-05-2006, 12:34 PM
Well... The Eagles imo are in a lose lose situtation here via media.

If the Eagles win - They are expected to win against the horrible Texans as the media see it..

If the Eagles Lose - Apparently , they havent recovered from the TO incident, or that is how the media will play it out.

Texans are in the same boat.

If the Texans Win - The the only reason we won was because TO Incident threw the Eagles into Choas and it not because the Texans are good enough to beat them, it just the Eagles are confused.

If the Texans lose - The the Texans would have won if they selected you know who and lets go see highlights of him instead.
:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

Edit: On a side note, and for fantasy reasons, how often do you think Westbrook will touch the ball a game?

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 12:54 PM
In truth, I don't know who our starting lineup will be. Defensively, or Offensively.

I seriously doubt Spencer will start against Philly. but so far, I've been wrong on every prediction I've made about Spencer.

I also don't believe Weaver belongs on our starting Defensive line, when both Babin & Mario play the strongside much better.

Either way, I don't see Houston giving up 5 sacks in one game. If we do.. I'm not even going to go there.

But David always starts slow, and picks up as the game goes along.

With Moulds, Andre, & Putz getting most of their yards after the catch, David's going to have a good day, & I believe we'll score more than 24points.

Defensively we'll hold you to 14...... well, under 18 anyway. We don't have to worry about keeping our Corner's honest, because we don't(at least I believe we won't) be blitzing our corners........ at least not as much as philly does.

We'll keep the pressure on McNumbnuts, and I predict he'll throw as many Texans touchdowns as David does.

I'd love to say it will be close............

but it won't.

WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 01:06 PM
Im going to give several valid reasons as to why the Eagles will win this game convincingly.

1. The Texans O line may have a new scheme, and may be reworked, but the Eagles defensive line is nasty. Howard is on a mission it appears, and Bunkley appears unblockable. When you look at our 4, who are you going to double team? All 4 are worthy of it. If the Eagles end the game without 5 sacks, 5 hurries, and 5 tackles for a loss, I would be shocked.

2. The Eagles offensive line is a wall of meat. Brag all you want about Mario...yes, he will be a hell of a player...but Willie T is no slouch when it comes to defending superstar ends. Neither is John Runyan, who regularly matched up against Strahan twice a year for the last 5 or so years. If the Texans do decide to blitz, I do think the Eagles slot receiver will be able to catch a hot slant rather easily. Jason Avant has hands of glue...I cant believe the balls he has caught.

3. The Eagles linebackers are a trememdous weakness. Trotter is great...the other 2 suck. But I dont think that will be a liability against the Texans, because I think we will see a lot of nickle sets with Trotter and Barber at LB.

4. Mcnabb. McNabb in the regular season is money. He now actually has a few weapons he can rely on...and the ability to hit Stallworth 40 yards downfield on the money is really going to keep your secondary honest.

5. Special teams. Its a very underrated part of football. Our special teams has the ability to start almost every drive for us at the 35. And our coverage units have the ability to hold you guys tight on your returns.



Anyone want to debate these points before I move on? And dont homer it...these are honest points, as I see them. Im not being snooty or bragging at all.


sorry philly fan -- this is the type of stuff we need to avoid.

1. the eagles defensive line is on a mission? bunkley appears unblockable? when you look at the eagle DL who are you going to double? all of this is garbage -- the DL is on a mission? is this a fact? or what you think? if its a fact, what relevant info is it based on? even if they are on a mission, does that automatically translate into success? nope. purely conjecture on your part and completely worthless as an argument why the eagles will win. bunkley is a rookie who missed 16 days of camp.....based on what is he unblockable? preseason? sorry, rooks need to prove something before you can lay out with that kind of nonsense. as far as double teaming, what exactly has this group done together to warrant anyone being double teamed....kearse is a shadow of his former self, bunkley is a rookie who played behind an average travis johnson at miami, howard is decent, but hasnt played a full season in 3 years. even if i agree that the eagle dline is decent, the LBs behind them are suspect save trotter, who better not revert to his redskin playing form or this LB corps is doomed. 5 sacks is extremely unlikely given what the texans will likely try to do offensively, but guessing # of sacks in a game is like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar.....its pointless.

2. the eagles oline is a wall of meat?? ummmmmm, that describes every oline in the league, if this oline is that great, why is andy reid afraid to run the ball?? westbrook is a solid back and even with the addition of stallworth, the eagles receivers arent making anyone scared. avant has hands of glue?? come on, how about a point on the quality at tight end? or the fact that westbrook is a danger catching out of the backfield?? trying to make a point by saying a guy has "hands of glue" is just silly.

3. the eagles LBs a weakness -- you nailed that one

4. there is a gazillion reasons to like mcnabb, but arguing that he is "money" is weak. not only that, but if the eagles arent going to run the ball, there arent going to be any 40 yard openings for stallworth. i would actually argue that reggie brown might be a better weapon, but im not going to make arguments for the eagles, im only going to point out that trying to say a guy is "money" offers no insight into a guy you can say alot of good things about. shame, shame.

5. im not sure what you are trying to say about special teams...."our guys have the ability to start us at the 35 and be able to hold your team tight on your returns" again, no insight offered here, just a fanboy statement with no facts or objective opinions behind it.

its funny that you offer almost no insight, little factual info and then have the nerve to ask those who reply to you not to "homer it". your post is as homer as it gets.

W. Bum

PhillyFan
09-05-2006, 01:16 PM
sorry philly fan -- this is the type of stuff we need to avoid.

1. the eagles defensive line is on a mission? bunkley appears unblockable? when you look at the eagle DL who are you going to double? all of this is garbage -- the DL is on a mission? is this a fact? or what you think? if its a fact, what relevant info is it based on? even if they are on a mission, does that automatically translate into success? nope. purely conjecture on your part and completely worthless as an argument why the eagles will win. bunkley is a rookie who missed 16 days of camp.....based on what is he unblockable? preseason? sorry, rooks need to prove something before you can lay out with that kind of nonsense. as far as double teaming, what exactly has this group done together to warrant anyone being double teamed....kearse is a shadow of his former self, bunkley is a rookie who played behind an average travis johnson at miami, howard is decent, but hasnt played a full season in 3 years. even if i agree that the eagle dline is decent, the LBs behind them are suspect save trotter, who better not revert to his redskin playing form or this LB corps is doomed. 5 sacks is extremely unlikely given what the texans will likely try to do offensively, but guessing # of sacks in a game is like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar.....its pointless.

2. the eagles oline is a wall of meat?? ummmmmm, that describes every oline in the league, if this oline is that great, why is andy reid afraid to run the ball?? westbrook is a solid back and even with the addition of stallworth, the eagles receivers arent making anyone scared. avant has hands of glue?? come on, how about a point on the quality at tight end? or the fact that westbrook is a danger catching out of the backfield?? trying to make a point by saying a guy has "hands of glue" is just silly.

3. the eagles LBs a weakness -- you nailed that one

4. there is a gazillion reasons to like mcnabb, but arguing that he is "money" is weak. not only that, but if the eagles arent going to run the ball, there arent going to be any 40 yard openings for stallworth. i would actually argue that reggie brown might be a better weapon, but im not going to make arguments for the eagles, im only going to point out that trying to say a guy is "money" offers no insight into a guy you can say alot of good things about. shame, shame.

5. im not sure what you are trying to say about special teams...."our guys have the ability to start us at the 35 and be able to hold your team tight on your returns" again, no insight offered here, just a fanboy statement with no facts or objective opinions behind it.

its funny that you offer almost no insight, little factual info and then have the nerve to ask those who reply to you not to "homer it". your post is as homer as it gets.

W. Bum

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Theyre called opinions. And unless you work for said team, what facts do you have? Its the first game of the year...you are more than welcome to rely on preseason stats or whatever...But I put my money where my mouth is, and come Monday, I will be collecting on my wagers.

But, since you ask, here is a fact. As a franchise, the Texans have 18 total wins.

The Eagles had more wins in the last 2 seasons than your franchise has in its entire history...

How do you like that fact, Jack?

jerek
09-05-2006, 01:21 PM
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Theyre called opinions. And unless you work for said team, what facts do you have? Its the first game of the year...you are more than welcome to rely on preseason stats or whatever...But I put my money where my mouth is, and come Monday, I will be collecting on my wagers.

But, since you ask, here is a fact. As a franchise, the Texans have 18 total wins.

The Eagles had more wins in the last 2 seasons than your franchise has in its entire history...

How do you like that fact, Jack?

Since it has absolutely zero to do with predicting the outcome of this upcoming game, it sits fine with me.

I'm not sure what to think about predicting an outcome. IMO McNabb is overrated but is nevertheless solid. He's not really accurate and can be pressured into mistakes. Stallworth was a good pickup but is hardly The difference maker. The strength of the Eagles D-line isn't particularly relevant as I think we will see a lot of rollouts and quick strikes from Carr, and I think they will cave to our run game. The Eagles O-line is one of the heaviest and best in football, but I do think they're vulnerable to our speed rush to the outside. I think it will be a competitive game and the cautious optimist in me likes our chances.

WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 01:27 PM
From FOX Sports...

September 4, 2006
By BRIAN BALDINGER

"I love the Eagles. They are so fundamentally sound and you just don't see missed tackles, or guys coming free on a pass rush, or a lot of dropped passes. I look at every team in the league and the Eagles' fundamentals jump out on the screen. They hustle, they are 10 deep along the defensive line and everybody has a role on this team. I like the constitution of this team. "Offensively, I'm really high on Jason Avant, Donté Stallworth is going to fit in well, I'm amazed at Correll Buckhalter, who looks like he has the same quickness he had years ago when Andy Reid fell in love with him.

"The preparation and the work ethic the Eagles had throughout the preseason shows up on tape. They are so much better than most of the other teams in the league, just from the confidence they have and the execution of the basics. On Sunday, the Eagles are going against a completely undermanned football team. Jon Runyan and William Thomas are starting their 100th game together. Geez, (Houston defensive end) Mario Williams won't even see the backfield.

"The Eagles are going against a team that has a quarterback who has not yet proven himself (David Carr), a rookie running back (Wali Lundy) and a rookie left tackle (Charles Spencer). The Texans are implementing a run-blocking scheme, but they don't have the personnel to play it. If the Eagles play good, fundamental football, they'll rip this team apart.

"Now, flukes happen in the NFL. It's almost like that is what is going to have to happen for Houston to have a chance. Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds are very good wide receivers, but David Carr can't find them and can't get the ball out of his hands because protection doesn't hold up. I can't see this team sustaining any kind of offense against the Eagles defense.

"The acquisition of Stallworth means so much for the Eagles on and off the field. He isn't just 'a guy.' Stallworth is a former first-round draft pick who caught 70 passes last year for New Orleans. Now, he's had injury problems and he was inconsistent catching the ball for the Saints, but he is a threat that you have to respect.

"I've spent time talking to a lot of players around the league, including guys like DeAngelo Hall from Atlanta, and they tell me that defensive backs have to respect his speed. Todd Pinkston was a speed guy, but defenses didn't really respect his game. Now, with Stallworth, the offense opens up that much more. You have to keep a safety deep in the passing game.

"Teams won't be able to play 'zero' coverages on the Eagles like Dallas and Denver have done in the past. Donovan McNabb, who is playing great football and who is the best quarterback in the conference, will have a field day against defenses that try that. He's going to have plenty of field days, anyway. This offense is going to score a lot of points."


baldinger should be ashamed of himself if he indeed published this -- its amazing to me that a guy with a national audience would so shamelessly pimp an eagles team while trashing the texans and calling them "completely undermanned". how can a guy like this be taken seriously when he fails to mention a dreadful LB corps, a dline that was below average a year ago (that only upgraded with a rookie in bunkley and a decent pro in howard) and an offense that is afraid to run the ball?? honestly, how do you omit such glaring facts, and hang your hat on 70 catches that stallworth had a year ago with new orleans?? mario williams wont see the backfield because runyan and thomas are playing in their 100th game together....huh? how about explaining why buckhalter who has missed 3 entire seasons in a 5 year career is going to combine with westbrook and his 600 yards on 150 carries a year ago to play "fundamentally" good football. baldinger's opinion on this game stinks like a rotting corpse, what a disgrace!

W. Bum

WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 01:39 PM
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Theyre called opinions. And unless you work for said team, what facts do you have? Its the first game of the year...you are more than welcome to rely on preseason stats or whatever...But I put my money where my mouth is, and come Monday, I will be collecting on my wagers.

But, since you ask, here is a fact. As a franchise, the Texans have 18 total wins.

The Eagles had more wins in the last 2 seasons than your franchise has in its entire history...

How do you like that fact, Jack?

you need to work for a team to have facts? let me explain. i say that the eagles running game stinks. i back that statement with the following....buckhalter has never rushed for more than 500some yards in a season and has spent 3 of his 5 years on IR. Westbrook last season carried the ball 150 times for 600 yards as the eagles relied almost exclusively on a passing attack. see that, i backed up my statement with facts. in addition, the eagles have done NOTHING to upgrade their running game in the offseason, but did grab another solid receiver to go with reggie brown and some decent TE's. again, all of these are facts. in conclusion, based on the facts i presented, a reasonable person could conclude that there is no reason to think the eagle running game will be any different this year than last, actually most signs (reid playcalling, signing stallworth) point to the eagles continuing to focus on their passing game.

what exactly does your fact about the eagles number of wins in the last two seasons versus the texans win total in their history actually mean? it means nothing. that fact will have zero chance of effecting the outcome of the game. the eagles running game (or lack thereof) on the other hand has a very good chance of effecting the outcome.....lets talk about meaningful things here, ok?

W. Bum

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 01:49 PM
Im going to give several valid reasons as to why the Eagles will win this game convincingly.

1. The Texans O line may have a new scheme, and may be reworked, but the Eagles defensive line is nasty. Howard is on a mission it appears, and Bunkley appears unblockable. When you look at our 4, who are you going to double team? All 4 are worthy of it. If the Eagles end the game without 5 sacks, 5 hurries, and 5 tackles for a loss, I would be shocked.

2. The Eagles offensive line is a wall of meat. Brag all you want about Mario...yes, he will be a hell of a player...but Willie T is no slouch when it comes to defending superstar ends. Neither is John Runyan, who regularly matched up against Strahan twice a year for the last 5 or so years. If the Texans do decide to blitz, I do think the Eagles slot receiver will be able to catch a hot slant rather easily. Jason Avant has hands of glue...I cant believe the balls he has caught.

3. The Eagles linebackers are a trememdous weakness. Trotter is great...the other 2 suck. But I dont think that will be a liability against the Texans, because I think we will see a lot of nickle sets with Trotter and Barber at LB.

4. Mcnabb. McNabb in the regular season is money. He now actually has a few weapons he can rely on...and the ability to hit Stallworth 40 yards downfield on the money is really going to keep your secondary honest.

5. Special teams. Its a very underrated part of football. Our special teams has the ability to start almost every drive for us at the 35. And our coverage units have the ability to hold you guys tight on your returns.



Anyone want to debate these points before I move on? And dont homer it...these are honest points, as I see them. Im not being snooty or bragging at all.
good post for the most part.

Saying "Bunkley appears unblockable" and then diminishing Mario's effectiveness is a little homerish, but overall a pretty good post.

Our Special Teams has been pretty darn good last year. And even with Mathis injured it looked pretty darn good in the preseason. So I am not worried about getting beat in this area.

If the Texans lose to the eagles it will be because of three things:
1. Our Spotty Secondary
2. Mistakes by our QB.
3. Inconsistent Run Defense.

of these three weak areas....I think philly isn't set up that well to capitalize on all of them.

The WR core of Philly has a lot to prove. Yeah you have a new decent reciever, but he really hasn't had much time to learn the play book and to build chemistry with McNabb. They would have to step up.

Your D-line is great. So I think you are well positioned to put pressure on Carr and force some mistakes that might be game breakers.

Your running game is underutilized and wasn't too effective last year.

Of our 3 main weaknesses, I see you guys in postion to only fully capitalize on 1 of them.

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 01:57 PM
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Theyre called opinions. And unless you work for said team, what facts do you have? Its the first game of the year...you are more than welcome to rely on preseason stats or whatever...But I put my money where my mouth is, and come Monday, I will be collecting on my wagers.

But, since you ask, here is a fact. As a franchise, the Texans have 18 total wins.

The Eagles had more wins in the last 2 seasons than your franchise has in its entire history...

How do you like that fact, Jack?
When talking about the past. This is the only stat that matters. This is the reason the game is played.

Philly has had 40 chances to win the Superbowl and have a total of ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS.

The Texans have had 4 chances to win the Superbowl and have a total of ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Philly has accomplished NOTHING. How do you like that fact, Jack?

PhillyFan
09-05-2006, 02:01 PM
you need to work for a team to have facts? let me explain. i say that the eagles running game stinks. i back that statement with the following....buckhalter has never rushed for more than 500some yards in a season and has spent 3 of his 5 years on IR. Westbrook last season carried the ball 150 times for 600 yards as the eagles relied almost exclusively on a passing attack. see that, i backed up my statement with facts. in addition, the eagles have done NOTHING to upgrade their running game in the offseason, but did grab another solid receiver to go with reggie brown and some decent TE's. again, all of these are facts. in conclusion, based on the facts i presented, a reasonable person could conclude that there is no reason to think the eagle running game will be any different this year than last, actually most signs (reid playcalling, signing stallworth) point to the eagles continuing to focus on their passing game.

what exactly does your fact about the eagles number of wins in the last two seasons versus the texans win total in their history actually mean? it means nothing. that fact will have zero chance of effecting the outcome of the game. the eagles running game (or lack thereof) on the other hand has a very good chance of effecting the outcome.....lets talk about meaningful things here, ok?

W. Bum

Thats true. Except for one part.

This isnt last year. This isnt 2004 either...or even 2003 for that matter.

This is 2006. Perhaps you didnt watch the Eagles first series against Oakland...6 rushes in 9 plays sure doesnt scream "afraid to run the ball" to me.

PhillyFan
09-05-2006, 02:04 PM
When talking about the past. This is the only stat that matters. This is the reason the game is played.

Philly has had 40 chances to win the Superbowl and have a total of ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS.

The Texans have had 4 chances to win the Superbowl and have a total of ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Philly has accomplished NOTHING. How do you like that fact, Jack?



Wrong. Philadelphia has 2 championships...1948 and 1960. Bet you didnt know that though, did you? Stop listening to the media and form an opinion of your own please.

Do a little research before making statements. There was football before the Superbowl you know.

EF55
09-05-2006, 02:07 PM
baldinger should be ashamed of himself if he indeed published this -- its amazing to me that a guy with a national audience would so shamelessly pimp an eagles team while trashing the texans and calling them "completely undermanned". how can i guy like this be taken seriously when he fails to mention a dreadful LB corps, a dline that was below average a year ago (that only upgraded with a rookie in bunkley and a decent pro in howard) and an offense that is afraid to run the ball?? honestly, how do you omit such glaring facts, and hang your hat on 70 catches that stallworth had a year ago with new orleans?? mario williams wont see the backfield because runyan and thomas are playing in their 100th game together....huh? how about explaining why buckhalter who has missed 3 entire seasons in a 5 year career is going to combine with westbrook and his 600 yards on 150 carries a year ago to play "fundamentally" good football. baldinger's opinion on this game stinks like a rotting corpse, what a disgrace!

W. Bum

You have no idea what you're talking about, while the eagle LB's are not the best unit in football they are far from being dreadful, True it is the biggest area of concern on an otherwise stellar defense but they are not dreadful. Thin perhaps but not dreadful.

The D-line is improved whether Bunkley and Howard are here or not, Injuries across the line last year decimated our D-line. We are healthy right now and with the addition of Bunkley and Howard we are that much better, I think as do many others that Howard will turn out to be a much bigger signing for the Eagles than some of the bigger name signings. this could indeed have the makings of one of the best all time Eagle D-lines. To say that the Texans are "undermanned" in handling this group is in itself an understatement.

The fact of the matter is Westy and Bucky are healthy for this game. Anybody that knows anything about those two players knows that you can hang your hat on their impact on the game provided they are healthy.

Baldinger has spent some time watching the Eagles and he's basing his opinion on that, while you have probably been listening to too much of John McClain's nonsense poking fun at McNabb for declaring our reciever group Super bowl capable and claiming the Texans will beat the Eagles. Perhaps Baldy doesn't give the Texans enough credit but why should he? What have the texans done besides have a couple of decent preseason games that mean nothing? and then a couple that were so-so. Ad to that the injuries of D Davis, Mathis, and the Corners and we see areas of exposure. There is no measuring stick to comment on until the Texans step out on game day and beat some decent teams. The eagles can be measured against how they used to look before the aberation season of last year. Baldinger has been critical of the eagles when it's been called for but for him this week is an easy call.

and ..News flash---- Mario Williams hasn't exactly shown his brilliance thus far, yea it's preseason but again there is no measuring stick to guage him against. He could have a monster game or he could be schooled by veteran big time lineman. Baldinger is saying based on what he knows it will most likely be the latter.

19-10
09-05-2006, 02:12 PM
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Theyre called opinions. And unless you work for said team, what facts do you have? Its the first game of the year...you are more than welcome to rely on preseason stats or whatever...But I put my money where my mouth is, and come Monday, I will be collecting on my wagers.

But, since you ask, here is a fact. As a franchise, the Texans have 18 total wins.

The Eagles had more wins in the last 2 seasons than your franchise has in its entire history...

How do you like that fact, Jack?


I have no problem admitting that made me laugh. Reminded me of "how do you like them apples" in Good Will Hunting. Besides what else can we do but laugh? Burn down our city? I think not - ours is worth keeping.

On Sunday at the tailgate make the lot a better place and punch philly fan in the face. But you better have backup, that trash likes to fight.

DocBar
09-05-2006, 02:13 PM
I can see the Texans winning this one. Philly doesn't have a LOT to look at on film and after the vanilla preseason, it'll be hard to accurrately scout us.
I have 4 main reasons to be optimistic: Kubes WILL run the ball ALL stinking day. Carr looked almost comfortable on the play action and bootlegs. Our D is going to be stout and force Philly to be even more one-dimensional than usual. Last, we actually use TE's in the passing game now. IMO, we will burn a few blitz-happy D's with that this year. It's gonna be a good game, but I believe the Texans can pull this one out. Homefield will mak a big difference, too.
:superman:

swflyers30
09-05-2006, 02:18 PM
I don't really know too much about the Texans, really don't see them at all. Just wondering if you could fill me in on them. As far as the Eagles being one dimensional, I wouldn't say that applies anymore with Westbrook and Buckhalter in the backfield now.

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 02:18 PM
Wrong. Philadelphia has 2 championships...1948 and 1960. Bet you didnt know that though, did you? Stop listening to the media and form an opinion of your own please.

Do a little research before making statements. There was football before the Superbowl you know.
Wrong: Philadelphia has won 3 championships in 1948, 1949, and 1960. Maybe you should do some research on your own team.

You don't see us bragging about Houston's TWO championships(1960,1961).

Hey now that I think about it, We were BOTH champs in 1960. Oh yeah everyone in this country loves having TWO champions **rolling eyes**

Personally I don't put a lot of stock in any championship before the merger of the NFL and AFL.


Superbowl or bust.

phantom17
09-05-2006, 02:29 PM
:loser From FOX Sports...

September 4, 2006
By BRIAN BALDINGER

"I love the Eagles. They are so fundamentally sound and you just don't see missed tackles, or guys coming free on a pass rush, or a lot of dropped passes. I look at every team in the league and the Eagles' fundamentals jump out on the screen. They hustle, they are 10 deep along the defensive line and everybody has a role on this team. I like the constitution of this team. "Offensively, I'm really high on Jason Avant, Donté Stallworth is going to fit in well, I'm amazed at Correll Buckhalter, who looks like he has the same quickness he had years ago when Andy Reid fell in love with him.

"The preparation and the work ethic the Eagles had throughout the preseason shows up on tape. They are so much better than most of the other teams in the league, just from the confidence they have and the execution of the basics. On Sunday, the Eagles are going against a completely undermanned football team. Jon Runyan and William Thomas are starting their 100th game together. Geez, (Houston defensive end) Mario Williams won't even see the backfield.

"The Eagles are going against a team that has a quarterback who has not yet proven himself (David Carr), a rookie running back (Wali Lundy) and a rookie left tackle (Charles Spencer). The Texans are implementing a run-blocking scheme, but they don't have the personnel to play it. If the Eagles play good, fundamental football, they'll rip this team apart.

"Now, flukes happen in the NFL. It's almost like that is what is going to have to happen for Houston to have a chance. Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds are very good wide receivers, but David Carr can't find them and can't get the ball out of his hands because protection doesn't hold up. I can't see this team sustaining any kind of offense against the Eagles defense.

"The acquisition of Stallworth means so much for the Eagles on and off the field. He isn't just 'a guy.' Stallworth is a former first-round draft pick who caught 70 passes last year for New Orleans. Now, he's had injury problems and he was inconsistent catching the ball for the Saints, but he is a threat that you have to respect.

"I've spent time talking to a lot of players around the league, including guys like DeAngelo Hall from Atlanta, and they tell me that defensive backs have to respect his speed. Todd Pinkston was a speed guy, but defenses didn't really respect his game. Now, with Stallworth, the offense opens up that much more. You have to keep a safety deep in the passing game.

"Teams won't be able to play 'zero' coverages on the Eagles like Dallas and Denver have done in the past. Donovan McNabb, who is playing great football and who is the best quarterback in the conference, will have a field day against defenses that try that. He's going to have plenty of field days, anyway. This offense is going to score a lot of points."
:yawn: :yawn: :rant:

WorthlessBum
09-05-2006, 02:45 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about, while the eagle LB's are not the best unit in football they are far from being dreadful, True it is the biggest area of concern on an otherwise stellar defense but they are not dreadful. Thin perhaps but not dreadful.

The D-line is improved whether Bunkley and Howard are here or not, Injuries across the line last year decimated our D-line. We are healthy right now and with the addition of Bunkley and Howard we are that much better, I think as do many others that Howard will turn out to be a much bigger signing for the Eagles than some of the bigger name signings. this could indeed have the makings of one of the best all time Eagle D-lines. To say that the Texans are "undermanned" in handling this group is in itself an understatement.

The fact of the matter is Westy and Bucky are healthy for this game. Anybody that knows anything about those two players knows that you can hang your hat on their impact on the game provided they are healthy.

Baldinger has spent some time watching the Eagles and he's basing his opinion on that, while you have probably been listening to too much of John McClain's nonsense poking fun at McNabb for declaring our reciever group Super bowl capable and claiming the Texans will beat the Eagles. Perhaps Baldy doesn't give the Texans enough credit but why should he? What have the texans done besides have a couple of decent preseason games that mean nothing? and then a couple that were so-so. Ad to that the injuries of D Davis, Mathis, and the Corners and we see areas of exposure. There is no measuring stick to comment on until the Texans step out on game day and beat some decent teams. The eagles can be measured against how they used to look before the aberation season of last year. Baldinger has been critical of the eagles when it's been called for but for him this week is an easy call.

and ..News flash---- Mario Williams hasn't exactly shown his brilliance thus far, yea it's preseason but again there is no measuring stick to guage him against. He could have a monster game or he could be schooled by veteran big time lineman. Baldinger is saying based on what he knows it will most likely be the latter.


who doesnt know what they are talking about? who besides trotter in that group is at least solid? barber, no. jones? sorry. being objective -- this unit is below average. if not for trotter, they would be terrible.

out of everything you said about the eagle dline, ill i got was conjecture on your part that the texans will be undermanned. based on what? a rookie? a shell of jevon kearse? a guy in howard who has put up modest numbers in between nursing injuries? come on, baldinger was hanging his hat on health and fundamentals....hey GREAT! but what has this group actually accomplished?? nothing. therefore why should it be objective to say they have the texans completely undermanned?? rubbish.

sure, the fact of the matter is that bucky and westy are healthy, but neither have ever played a full season and neither of them has ever rushed for more than 800 yards. while thinking about those two facts and andy reids play calling tendency (pass first), its reasonable NOT to fear the eagles running attack.

my point on baldinger was that he left out completely relevant facts in his assessment and showed no objectivity in evaluating the two teams. his statements may have been his personal opinion, but we should expect more than fanboy yee-haws from a guy who has a national audience. and just because a national sports writer says something -- that doesnt make it so. i dont live in houston anymore, but when i did, i wasnt much for john mclain's nonsense. i want objective insights from guys like him, not who he thinks is a nice guy and who is a jerk. mclain is another boob who has no business covering sports.

are you counting jerome mathis as a significant loss for the texans? im afraid you dont know what you are talking about. mathis is a return man, nothing more. he has proven zilch as a receiver and even though he can be explosive returning the ball, his absence wont effect the team nearly as much as davis, though lundy has looked good and won the starting job, he has yet to prove himself.

and thanks but no thanks on the news flash, williams is a rookie and im the same with all of them....they have to prove their worth on the field before they can be praised or ridiculed.

W. Bum

Rodman91
09-05-2006, 02:56 PM
bunkley is a rookie who missed 16 days of camp.....based on what is he unblockable? preseason? sorry, rooks need to prove something before you can lay out with that kind of nonsense.

Ooooh.

Using that logic, Mario Williams is a NOTHING!

Thanks for proving my point yet again!
:cowboy1:

TexansLucky13
09-05-2006, 03:01 PM
Ooooh.

Using that logic, Mario Williams is a NOTHING!

Thanks for proving my point yet again!
:cowboy1:

All rookies who havent play in a regular season are "nothing". Even the godlike Reggie Bush and the invincible Vince Young. We can only judge on potential, and your boy missing 16 days of practice sure doesnt help his stock.

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles
09-05-2006, 03:07 PM
All rookies who havent play in a regular season are "nothing". Even the godlike Reggie Bush and the invincible Vince Young. We can only judge on potential, and your boy missing 16 days of practice sure doesnt help his stock.

but outtackling mario, outassisting mario, and outsacking mario in less games against #1 offenses would lead to believe that those 16 days of practice missed doesnt really matter...the boy seems to be able to play but again we will have to wait til regular season when it all really matters.

TEXANRED
09-05-2006, 03:13 PM
Heres my humble opinion.

QB. McNabb/Carr. This match up is even with a slight edge to Carr. Oh I know what the haters have said but lets face facts, Carr is more mobile than McNabb and has about the same accuracy (We all saw the super-bowl, and hasn't been the same since). McNabb had one good passer year and that was with TO on the team, Pre TO McNabb used his legs to make plays. Carr has been the second best rushing QB behind Vick for the last three years. Carr has a bigger arm and is throwing to better quality receivers than what McNabb has. Carr, despite having Gaffney and Bradford and being sacked 67 times he still threw 14 TD's. I have said this for a while now, McNabb is way over-rated.

WR. Johnson/Moulds vs Stallworth/Brown. Without going in depth, Stallworth is another Bradford and Brown would be a #4 on our team.

O-Line. Even. I think. Texans gave up 4 sacks in 4 games against some really good D-Lines. St.Louis and Denver are very good teams. Our one weakness is going to be Weigert.

RB. Texans. Zone blocking. Ron Dayne is a huge pick up. Lundy is solid and Morency can score from anywhere on the field. Ya Ya the Eagles have Westbrook but he is not really a RB but I will get to him in a sec.

TE. Texans. Who do the Eagle have? Smith. Texans have Daniels, Bruener, Putzier and FB/TE BennieJ.

D. This is where I think the Eagles have the advantage.

D-Line. I am giving the edge to the Texans but not by much. IMO the Texans D-Line is more flexible. Weaver, Williams, TJ, Payne for run situations and then Peek, Babin, Williams, Weaver in passing situations.

LB. This one goes to the Eagles. Texans have Ryans but for me the jury is still out on Greenwood. Other than that we lack depth and Orr is going to have to play in a 4/3.

Secondary. Eagles. We got Robinson but thats about it. And no depth due to injury. Eagles CB's are pretty good and the Eagles have Dawkins which is huge.

Kicker. Eagles. I hate Kris Brown. sorry to be so blunt but thats how I feel. Ackers is a very good Kicker, and if it comes down to field goals the Texans will lose this game. Your one job on the team is to kick the football and you shank 35 yard field goals? Your fired.

The X factor. Westbrook or Peek? With Westbrook on the field, you have to account for him. Running or Catching Westbrook will kill your team with a single play. Peek. If the games on the line and you need a stop or turn over, thats your man. Whether its blocking a punt or destroying the QB, in crunch situations he's the single most dangerous defensive player on the field.

But that is just my opinion. I have been know to be wrong once or twice.:redtowel:

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Heres my humble opinion.

QB. McNabb/Carr. This match up is even with a slight edge to Carr. Oh I know what the haters have said but lets face facts, Carr is more mobile than McNabb and has about the same accuracy (We all saw the super-bowl, and hasn't been the same since). McNabb had one good passer year and that was with TO on the team, Pre TO McNabb used his legs to make plays. Carr has been the second best rushing QB behind Vick for the last three years. Carr has a bigger arm and is throwing to better quality receivers than what McNabb has. Carr, despite having Gaffney and Bradford and being sacked 67 times he still threw 14 TD's. I have said this for a while now, McNabb is way over-rated.




Guys please don't compare Carr to McNabb. As much as I would love to compare their raw skills and say SEE they're equal. Thats not what matters and you know it. If it was Ryan Leaf would be a great QB.

run-david-run
09-05-2006, 03:36 PM
Im going to give several valid reasons as to why the Eagles will win this game convincingly.

1. The Texans O line may have a new scheme, and may be reworked, but the Eagles defensive line is nasty. Howard is on a mission it appears, and Bunkley appears unblockable. When you look at our 4, who are you going to double team? All 4 are worthy of it. If the Eagles end the game without 5 sacks, 5 hurries, and 5 tackles for a loss, I would be shocked.

2. The Eagles offensive line is a wall of meat. Brag all you want about Mario...yes, he will be a hell of a player...but Willie T is no slouch when it comes to defending superstar ends. Neither is John Runyan, who regularly matched up against Strahan twice a year for the last 5 or so years. If the Texans do decide to blitz, I do think the Eagles slot receiver will be able to catch a hot slant rather easily. Jason Avant has hands of glue...I cant believe the balls he has caught.

3. The Eagles linebackers are a trememdous weakness. Trotter is great...the other 2 suck. But I dont think that will be a liability against the Texans, because I think we will see a lot of nickle sets with Trotter and Barber at LB.
4. Mcnabb. McNabb in the regular season is money. He now actually has a few weapons he can rely on...and the ability to hit Stallworth 40 yards downfield on the money is really going to keep your secondary honest.

5. Special teams. Its a very underrated part of football. Our special teams has the ability to start almost every drive for us at the 35. And our coverage units have the ability to hold you guys tight on your returns.



Anyone want to debate these points before I move on? And dont homer it...these are honest points, as I see them. Im not being snooty or bragging at all.
How exactly is that suposed to help you? Watch out, they have an extra corner back on the field, better not run now! You have one of the top 10 D-Lines in the NFL, but you still need everyone else on the field to make plays against the run, namley the linebackers. Also, expect to see a bunch of 2 TE sets, good luck stopping that out of the nickle...:francis:

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 03:40 PM
The Philladelphia Eagles.

Their leading rusher is their QB.

Their leading reciever is their RB.

Guys......... we got this one.

run-david-run
09-05-2006, 03:43 PM
That's why the Texans rushing offense was ranked 6th in the preseason.
Gotta love the propaganda.

TEXANRED
09-05-2006, 03:46 PM
Guys please don't compare Carr to McNabb. As much as I would love to compare their raw skills and say SEE they're equal. Thats not what matters and you know it. If it was Ryan Leaf would be a great QB.
Sorry. I have never seen any thing great out of McNabb. He is an average QB that can't win big games.

If the Eagles are ahead he does great, but you put him behind the 8-ball and he falls apart. But thats my opinion.

The only difference between McNabb and Carr is a soup commercial and throwing up on national T.V.

Andy Reid is responsible for McNabbs success. Look what he did for Feeley. Got a second round pick for a third string QB. Ha.

I think its funny that Carr does the same things as McNabb and people idolize McNabb for some bizarre reason.

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles
09-05-2006, 03:53 PM
Heres my humble opinion.

QB. McNabb/Carr. This match up is even with a slight edge to Carr. Oh I know what the haters have said but lets face facts, Carr is more mobile than McNabb and has about the same accuracy (We all saw the super-bowl, and hasn't been the same since). McNabb had one good passer year and that was with TO on the team, Pre TO McNabb used his legs to make plays. Carr has been the second best rushing QB behind Vick for the last three years. Carr has a bigger arm and is throwing to better quality receivers than what McNabb has. Carr, despite having Gaffney and Bradford and being sacked 67 times he still threw 14 TD's. I have said this for a while now, McNabb is way over-rated.

WR. Johnson/Moulds vs Stallworth/Brown. Without going in depth, Stallworth is another Bradford and Brown would be a #4 on our team.

O-Line. Even. I think. Texans gave up 4 sacks in 4 games against some really good D-Lines. St.Louis and Denver are very good teams. Our one weakness is going to be Weigert.

RB. Texans. Zone blocking. Ron Dayne is a huge pick up. Lundy is solid and Morency can score from anywhere on the field. Ya Ya the Eagles have Westbrook but he is not really a RB but I will get to him in a sec.

TE. Texans. Who do the Eagle have? Smith. Texans have Daniels, Bruener, Putzier and FB/TE BennieJ.

D. This is where I think the Eagles have the advantage.

D-Line. I am giving the edge to the Texans but not by much. IMO the Texans D-Line is more flexible. Weaver, Williams, TJ, Payne for run situations and then Peek, Babin, Williams, Weaver in passing situations.

LB. This one goes to the Eagles. Texans have Ryans but for me the jury is still out on Greenwood. Other than that we lack depth and Orr is going to have to play in a 4/3.

Secondary. Eagles. We got Robinson but thats about it. And no depth due to injury. Eagles CB's are pretty good and the Eagles have Dawkins which is huge.

Kicker. Eagles. I hate Kris Brown. sorry to be so blunt but thats how I feel. Ackers is a very good Kicker, and if it comes down to field goals the Texans will lose this game. Your one job on the team is to kick the football and you shank 35 yard field goals? Your fired.

The X factor. Westbrook or Peek? With Westbrook on the field, you have to account for him. Running or Catching Westbrook will kill your team with a single play. Peek. If the games on the line and you need a stop or turn over, thats your man. Whether its blocking a punt or destroying the QB, in crunch situations he's the single most dangerous defensive player on the field.

But that is just my opinion. I have been know to be wrong once or twice.:redtowel:

McNabb had better numbers last year in 9 games with a sports hernia and bruised sternum than Carr has had in 3 out of his 4 seasons. McNabb's worst season as a starter is comparable to Carr's best. You can't honestly think that Carr is a better QB and more mobile? Carr's most rushing yards is 308 while McNabb has gone over 300 5 times (2 of those times over 400 and once over 600). Carr has thrown more than 3000 yards once while McNabb has done it 4 out of 7 seasons (one of the 3 failures which he didnt start until the last 6 games and one being the injury shortened season last year). McNabb has the BEST Completion to Interception ratio in NFL history. This arm that you talk about with David Carr shows just over 4 passes over 40 yards per season while McNabb averages over 8 per season as a starter. Even if you go to 20+ yards, McNabb averages about 40 20+gains per season while Carr is at about 30. McNabb dominates Carr in every aspect with WORSE receivers (with the exception of the one season with TO).

As for the rest I'll agree on the push at O-line right now although I think the Eagles may turn out better there since it is a very skilled, large O-line that is used to playing together in this system for awhile.

Defense, I think we take the cake in every position except for our weakness at LB.

RB it appears through preseason that you have the advantage...you are running the ball very well, but we also dont know if the Eagles will stay committed to the run like Reid says he will. I think if the Eagles commit to the run that Westbrook and Buck can put up better numbers.

As for Tight End...you do have depth over us but LJ will probably put up better numbers than any two of your TE's combined this season. Your saying a rookie, a 36 year old player who's best season was his rookie year with 26 catches for 238 and 3 touchdowns, and Jeb Putzier have the edge over LJ? LJ has gotten better every season and has developed into a major target. Last year he stepped up to make 61 catches for 682 and 3 TDs. LJ Smith's single best season is better than all of your TE's best seasons put together. Our second TE Matt Schobel puts up better numbers than Bruener as well and falls just behind Putzier because he wasnt utilized in Cincinnati's offense.

You do have better receivers though if Moulds goes back to his production in his prime.

Mr. White
09-05-2006, 03:56 PM
Carr, schmarr....:listening

The Texans D has been let off the leash and I think that they will make the difference in this game.

:wild:

SESupergenius
09-05-2006, 04:15 PM
The fact remains, the Eagles played like Eagle poo last year. We can come up with excuses why we played like bull patties as well, but what it comes down to is this season as most offseasons there are a lot of changes on teams that don't do well. Eagles have nothing to base this team on except for a comparison to the Broncos, who wiped the Eagles clean the last time the Denver offense saw them. I'm not saying we are the Broncos, but we play the exact same offense now that Kubiak was running when he last saw the Eagles, so that is the only thing we can base things on. This is a totally different team with only Carr and Andre Johnson the only players that are still at their positions the last time the Eagles played the Texans. That's not much to go on for the Eagles preparation for this team. BIRD SEASON IS IN! (new avarar alert!)

EF55
09-05-2006, 04:37 PM
who doesnt know what they are talking about? who besides trotter in that group is at least solid? barber, no. jones? sorry. being objective -- this unit is below average. if not for trotter, they would be terrible.

out of everything you said about the eagle dline, ill i got was conjecture on your part that the texans will be undermanned. based on what? a rookie? a shell of jevon kearse? a guy in howard who has put up modest numbers in between nursing injuries? come on, baldinger was hanging his hat on health and fundamentals....hey GREAT! but what has this group actually accomplished?? nothing. therefore why should it be objective to say they have the texans completely undermanned?? rubbish.

sure, the fact of the matter is that bucky and westy are healthy, but neither have ever played a full season and neither of them has ever rushed for more than 800 yards. while thinking about those two facts and andy reids play calling tendency (pass first), its reasonable NOT to fear the eagles running attack.

my point on baldinger was that he left out completely relevant facts in his assessment and showed no objectivity in evaluating the two teams. his statements may have been his personal opinion, but we should expect more than fanboy yee-haws from a guy who has a national audience. and just because a national sports writer says something -- that doesnt make it so. i dont live in houston anymore, but when i did, i wasnt much for john mclain's nonsense. i want objective insights from guys like him, not who he thinks is a nice guy and who is a jerk. mclain is another boob who has no business covering sports.

are you counting jerome mathis as a significant loss for the texans? im afraid you dont know what you are talking about. mathis is a return man, nothing more. he has proven zilch as a receiver and even though he can be explosive returning the ball, his absence wont effect the team nearly as much as davis, though lundy has looked good and won the starting job, he has yet to prove himself.

and thanks but no thanks on the news flash, williams is a rookie and im the same with all of them....they have to prove their worth on the field before they can be praised or ridiculed.

W. Bum

Ok so now this use of the word "dreadful" is mitigated to 2 of three LB's being below average which is conjecture on your part. "If not for trotter they would be terrible" So "terrible and "absolutley dreadful" are different? You kind of make my point for me. I didn't say they we're great just that the unit was not dreadful which is the same thing you have said in your revised comment.

Regarding the D-line I don't expect you to say that the Texans are undermanned on the line. But you shouldn't be shocked that non Texan homers think so. It is Baldingers opinion that the texans are across the board are undermanned, I happen to think as an eagle fan that the D-line is the area where this will be most evident. This is not conjecture, Jim Johnson's defenses have consistently ranked in the upper 10 in many areas out side of last year. You seem to dismiss the health issue of our line as though it was not a factor last year.

Regarding Bucky and Westy; while you now acknowledge that they are both healthy for this game you continue to point out irrelevant speculative prognosis as to what the rest of thier season will be like. Regarding this game that is irrelevant, what is relevant is that they are both healthy now and will be for this game. If we played the Texans in week 16 I could see your point.

Regarding Baldingers objectivity, I actually can see your point but for every baldinger out there as a journalist there are 2 Eagle Haters, I take the good with the bad, very few are uninfluenced by something. Baldinger a former Eagle himself covers the eagles at times whereas he is probably not as exposed to the Texans but he is not an Eagle Homer, he will pick against the Eagles quite often. I concede in part to your point on this because as an eagle fan we constantly feel the unfairness of the media, ala guys like Merril Hoge. This is conjecture on both of our parts to assume that Baldinger has not studied the Texans enough though.

Return men like Mathis to a team that needs that kind of spark can be a game changer, I think it is an integral component of the game and can determine good or bad field position in one play. It can be the difference in being in the game into the 4th quarter or not. so yes I think that is a loss for you guys, again this is relevent to this game. Lundy looks good, lets see what he can do, my point here is that you are starting a guy who would ordinarily not be the best player at that position on your team. Same with your CB's.
I think we agree on williams but the point was that Baldy said he wouldn't see the backfield on Sunday. The preseason play of williams would indicate to me that he may be correct, I don't think it is an outlandish claim although it is a bit inflamatory but since baldy is an ex OG It makes sense.

PS...I like the texans, just not this sunday, I do live in houston now.

mattwill
09-05-2006, 04:52 PM
I'm a diehard Eagles fan, and there is no such thing as an easy win in the NFL ... especially on opening weekend. Any Eagles fan who doesn't expect the Texans to come out loaded for bear is a fool. The expression we use on the Eagles Message Board (EMB) for a fool who posts on the EMB is a "Tater". We have more Taters than non-Taters on the EMB, so feel free to use that term in your responses to trolling Philadelphia fans who come here.

With that said, I do expect the Eagles will win in the end on Sunday. The key mismatch area between the two teams is along the Line of Scrimmage (LOS). The Eagles D-line is very talented and very deep. All eight DEs and DTs will play substantial minutes, and all eight can bring serious pressure on Carr. The full eight player rotation will mean thet the Texans' O-line will constantly be seeing different looks and will be regularly facing well rested players. Carr is going to be in for a long day. His best option will be to go with 3 step drops and quick throws. If the Texans can establish a running game early, that will help Carr alot. The key question is, can they do that?

On Offense, the biggest Eagles weakness in this game is going to be the inexperience of the Eagles' WRs, but their TEs and Brian Westbrook should give Donovan McNabb plenty of non-WR targets on each passing play.

The battle between the Texans' D-line and the Eagles' O-line for control of the LOS during running plays will be key. The 2005 Eagles made no commitment to the running game, but if the Eagles are going to be successful in 2006, they will need to run in at least 45% of their offensive snaps. Westbrrok, Buckhalter and Moats are going to need to be patient and use the blocking of the Eagles' O-line to pound out a running game. The Texans are going to need to take that running game away by stuffing the running lanes. That will only happen if the Texans' D-line neutralizes the Eagles blockers and the LBs and SS come up and plug the resultant gaps. My question to you Texans fans is, "can the Texans' D accomplish that?" If they can't I think it is going to be a long afternoon for y'all.

Thoughts?

gjmac2
09-05-2006, 04:55 PM
I agree with you that the game will be won/lost in the trenches. They usually are.

May the best team win.

:texans: :texan:

Double Barrel
09-05-2006, 05:04 PM
Howdy, mattwill, and welcome to the Texans forum :howdy:

I think your point about our offense is accurate. We have so many questions regarding our o-line and QB after four seasons (and 200+ sacks), that this is THE focal point that will measure Kubiak's [immediate] impact to the team.

I think this game will be a defensive battle all the way. The Philly D will bring it, and it shall be interesting to see how our offense meets the challenge. If Carr can make good decisions under pressure - including getting rid of the ball - then we might score enough for our defense to hold the game. DC has more weapons than at any point in his career with legitimate nos. 1 / 2 WRs, and a solid TE, so key for us is to establish a running game early. If we can consistently get first downs on the ground, the Eagle could press to play the run and we might be able to take advantage.

I think our defense is a work in progress, but could start to make an impact as soon as the first game. It will depend on our d-line putting pressure on McNabb and stopping the run. If DM has time to make his reads, he'll tear our secondary up in no time. Hopefully, we’ll get to him early to rattle him and maybe disrupt his timing and groove.

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 05:06 PM
The preseason play of williams would indicate to me that he may be correct, I don't think it is an outlandish claim although it is a bit inflamatory but since baldy is an ex OG It makes sense.
This kind of comment would lead me to believe, that you didn't watch the Texans preseason games and just caught the box score, watched sportscenter, or read a newspaper. If you did watch the games(living in Houston I think you would have), then you didn't pay much attention to Mario. He played just fine and was given a lot of attention from the opposing team's O-line. Overall our D-line looked BETTER THAN EVER.
Any article talking about or D-line (specifically our pass rush) that focuses on Mario and doesn't mention Weaver, Peek, or Babin is not very informed as they are going to have a big impact on our pass rush.

brewhaus
09-05-2006, 05:13 PM
This kind of comment would lead me to believe, that you didn't watch the Texans preseason games and just caught the box score, watched sportscenter, or read a newspaper. If you did watch the games(living in Houston I think you would have), then you didn't pay much attention to Mario. He played just fine and was given a lot of attention from the opposing team's O-line. Overall our D-line looked BETTER THAN EVER.
Any article talking about or D-line (specifically our pass rush) that focuses on Mario and doesn't mention Weaver, Peek, or Babin is not very informed as they are going to have a big impact on our pass rush.

You are right-on LBC. After our D-line opens a couple of cans of "whoop-ass" on Sunday, they will start getting a lot more rep than they are now....but they really have to bring it...consistantly.

SESupergenius
09-05-2006, 05:18 PM
I think the key the matchup is how well we can bootleg and make the defensive line (the Eagles biggest Strength) a non factor. By rolling out a lot we have the defensive line void and put the pressure on the linebackers and defensive backs to make plays. Linebackers for the Eagles are a little suspect in the passing game and Carr has shown that he is indecisive on the run. This is the greatest questionmark for the Texans. They should be able to run the ball based on the bootleg setup. On defense however, McNabb and Stallworth may still not be on the same page and with Avant and Baskett being rookies, I'm left wonder if our less than stellar secondary can actually contain McNabb with so few weapons.

real
09-05-2006, 05:22 PM
Im not going to say what kind of plays should or shouldn't be run because I don't know....but I think it's going to come down to execution...How many missed assignments we have...how many blown coverages ect....I think we have the talent to compete/beat the Eagles in this non big-game setting....

Htown34s
09-05-2006, 05:47 PM
Im not going to say what kind of plays should or shouldn't be run because I don't know....but I think it's going to come down to execution...How many missed assignments we have...how many blown coverages ect....I think we have the talent to compete/beat the Eagles in this non big-game setting....


I agree, thats why the Eagles are favored. Our guys on the LOS on both sides of the ball are playing much better than last year, last year this would probably have been a blow out. But even though we're playing better we just don't have much game experience together as a unit to avoid the mistakes that will give the Eagles an advantage. If we win I'll be surprised, because that would mean we played pretty much mistake free. Plus Carr is still shell shocked IMO.

BTW xtruroyaltyx, I love the avatar. I sometimes sit and stare at that for 5 minutes... I remember that game and its great to see that play in slow motion.

Dawkins
09-05-2006, 06:03 PM
Sorry. I have never seen any thing great out of McNabb. He is an average QB that can't win big games.

If the Eagles are ahead he does great, but you put him behind the 8-ball and he falls apart. But thats my opinion.

The only difference between McNabb and Carr is a soup commercial and throwing up on national T.V.

Andy Reid is responsible for McNabbs success. Look what he did for Feeley. Got a second round pick for a third string QB. Ha.

I think its funny that Carr does the same things as McNabb and people idolize McNabb for some bizarre reason.

Are you kidding me?! Please say this is a joke. You are seriously comparing David Carr to Donovan McNabb... WOW. Is David Carr a 5 time Pro-Bowler? I guess that's everyone's fault but Carrs, right? Pathetic.

McNabb has had trash receivers since he got to Philadelphia. He had TO, a real receiver for a year, and showed what he could do.

I'm also very sick of people questioning McNabb's toughness. He played all through last season with a sports hernia, he played nearly an entire game on a broken ankle. You'd be out of breath and coughing too if you were getting KILLED after nearly every snap while your Center gets exposed in the Superbowl. Of course, I guess you'll believe Freddie Mitchell and Me-O, who were the clowns that started that rumor.

If you honestly think David Carr can outscramble McNabb, then I suggest re-evaluate your stance as a knowledgeable football fan.

Wow...I'm sorry, I'm just completely shocked that someone would take the step to compare Carr to McNabb... amazing.

SESupergenius
09-05-2006, 06:06 PM
We will have to ride David Carrs arm and decision making this game. Carr will need to have some long passes completed if we are to get anywhere with this defense. He will need to spread it around and find the deep open man on a few drives for us to score. Our TE will see plenty of action as well.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 06:12 PM
That's why the Texans rushing offense was ranked 6th in the preseason.
The keyword here is "preseason".

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 07:20 PM
Heres my humble opinion.

QB. McNabb/Carr. This match up is even with a slight edge to Carr. Oh I know what the haters have said but lets face facts, Carr is more mobile than McNabb and has about the same accuracy (We all saw the super-bowl, and hasn't been the same since). McNabb had one good passer year and that was with TO on the team, Pre TO McNabb used his legs to make plays. Carr has been the second best rushing QB behind Vick for the last three years. Carr has a bigger arm and is throwing to better quality receivers than what McNabb has. Carr, despite having Gaffney and Bradford and being sacked 67 times he still threw 14 TD's. I have said this for a while now, McNabb is way over-rated.

WR. Johnson/Moulds vs Stallworth/Brown. Without going in depth, Stallworth is another Bradford and Brown would be a #4 on our team.

O-Line. Even. I think. Texans gave up 4 sacks in 4 games against some really good D-Lines. St.Louis and Denver are very good teams. Our one weakness is going to be Weigert.

RB. Texans. Zone blocking. Ron Dayne is a huge pick up. Lundy is solid and Morency can score from anywhere on the field. Ya Ya the Eagles have Westbrook but he is not really a RB but I will get to him in a sec.

TE. Texans. Who do the Eagle have? Smith. Texans have Daniels, Bruener, Putzier and FB/TE BennieJ.

D. This is where I think the Eagles have the advantage.

D-Line. I am giving the edge to the Texans but not by much. IMO the Texans D-Line is more flexible. Weaver, Williams, TJ, Payne for run situations and then Peek, Babin, Williams, Weaver in passing situations.

LB. This one goes to the Eagles. Texans have Ryans but for me the jury is still out on Greenwood. Other than that we lack depth and Orr is going to have to play in a 4/3.

Secondary. Eagles. We got Robinson but thats about it. And no depth due to injury. Eagles CB's are pretty good and the Eagles have Dawkins which is huge.

Kicker. Eagles. I hate Kris Brown. sorry to be so blunt but thats how I feel. Ackers is a very good Kicker, and if it comes down to field goals the Texans will lose this game. Your one job on the team is to kick the football and you shank 35 yard field goals? Your fired.

The X factor. Westbrook or Peek? With Westbrook on the field, you have to account for him. Running or Catching Westbrook will kill your team with a single play. Peek. If the games on the line and you need a stop or turn over, thats your man. Whether its blocking a punt or destroying the QB, in crunch situations he's the single most dangerous defensive player on the field.

But that is just my opinion. I have been know to be wrong once or twice.:redtowel:
Next time, keep your opinions to yourself. Better to remain silent and appear stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

QB - McNabb, by 10 miles. On his best day, with a genie granting him three wishes, Carr, couldn't even hold Donovan's jock. Get real.

WR - Houston, of course. Although with Carr on his back most of the day, they might not be very productive.

O-Line - Seriously? One line has given up a million sacks. The other is the Eagles.

TE - Since most consider L.J. Smith a Pro Bowl caliber TE, and most people can't name the Texans' TE without them wearing name tags....

Defense - Eagles

Defensive Line - Eagles. Again, the only guy recognizable is Mario Williams. Not for what he can do (I mean, how many times can you end up on your back during the PRESEASON), but for being the "other guy" that will be mentioned years from now when everyone is still raving about Reggie Bush (sort of like Michael Jordan and Sam Bowie).

Linebackers - Although the Eagles have the best LB in Jeremiah Trotter, they are a little thin at the other spots. The Texans don't have anyone, but I'll give this one a wash.

Secondary - Eagles

Kickers - Pro Bowler David Akers. Easy one.

X Factor - Given the fact that absolutely no one on the Texans can cover Westbrook, and no one knows who Peek is, I'll give this one to the Eagles as well.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 07:25 PM
Are you kidding me?! Please say this is a joke. You are seriously comparing David Carr to Donovan McNabb... WOW. Is David Carr a 5 time Pro-Bowler? I guess that's everyone's fault but Carrs, right? Pathetic.

McNabb has had trash receivers since he got to Philadelphia. He had TO, a real receiver for a year, and showed what he could do.

I'm also very sick of people questioning McNabb's toughness. He played all through last season with a sports hernia, he played nearly an entire game on a broken ankle. You'd be out of breath and coughing too if you were getting KILLED after nearly every snap while your Center gets exposed in the Superbowl. Of course, I guess you'll believe Freddie Mitchell and Me-O, who were the clowns that started that rumor.

If you honestly think David Carr can outscramble McNabb, then I suggest re-evaluate your stance as a knowledgeable football fan.

Wow...I'm sorry, I'm just completely shocked that someone would take the step to compare Carr to McNabb... amazing.
It completely amazes me that anyone would even put them in the same conversation, much less suggest that Carr might be better. Anytime I hear this, it just reaffirms my thought about the Texans.

To end the conversation, I'll ask one question: Which QB would you rather have, McNabb or Carr? Please answer honestly.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 07:33 PM
The battle between the Texans' D-line and the Eagles' O-line for control of the LOS during running plays will be key. The 2005 Eagles made no commitment to the running game, but if the Eagles are going to be successful in 2006, they will need to run in at least 45% of their offensive snaps. Westbrrok, Buckhalter and Moats are going to need to be patient and use the blocking of the Eagles' O-line to pound out a running game. The Texans are going to need to take that running game away by stuffing the running lanes. That will only happen if the Texans' D-line neutralizes the Eagles blockers and the LBs and SS come up and plug the resultant gaps. My question to you Texans fans is, "can the Texans' D accomplish that?" If they can't I think it is going to be a long afternoon for y'all.

Thoughts?

Not a bad post. But you're basing your offensive prowess on a running game you don't have, and haven't had since DueceStaley.

Your leading rusher for the last what........ 4...... 5 years has been McNabb. If you want to committ to a running game, you have to get a lead early. With David's slow start, that might happen, but if our D plays like they've been playing...... I wouldn't bet on it.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 07:44 PM
Not a bad post. But you're basing your offensive prowess on a running game you don't have, and haven't had since DueceStaley.

Your leading rusher for the last what........ 4...... 5 years has been McNabb. If you want to committ to a running game, you have to get a lead early. With David's slow start, that might happen, but if our D plays like they've been playing...... I wouldn't bet on it.

Apparently you don't watch much playoff football. If you did, you would clearly see that McNabb doesn't run anywhere near as much as he did his first 2-3 years. Committing to the run doesn't require a lead, just what was said - a committment. With a new, much better blocking center, the running game will be there.

If your D plays like they've been playing, it won't matter what the Eagles try to do. Everything will work. I'm sure everyone will say "look at what we did in the preseason." Hey, everyone is great in the preseason.

09/10/2006 - Reality check.

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 07:49 PM
Apparently you don't watch much playoff football. If you did, you would clearly see that McNabb doesn't run anywhere near as much as he did his first 2-3 years. Committing to the run doesn't require a lead, just what was said - a committment. With a new, much better blocking center, the running game will be there.

If your D plays like they've been playing, it won't matter what the Eagles try to do. Everything will work. I'm sure everyone will say "look at what we did in the preseason." Hey, everyone is great in the preseason.

09/10/2006 - Reality check.


You guys were in the playoffs last year? Someone check that for me I was almost sure they were 6-10.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-05-2006, 07:51 PM
Not a bad post. But you're basing your offensive prowess on a running game you don't have, and haven't had since DueceStaley.

Your leading rusher for the last what........ 4...... 5 years has been McNabb. If you want to committ to a running game, you have to get a lead early. With David's slow start, that might happen, but if our D plays like they've been playing...... I wouldn't bet on it.

Not to be a jerk, but you haven't a clue of what you speak.

Go back to 2003. Our leading rusher wasn't Duce Staley. It was Buck. And if you look back to that season you'll see that the Eagles can, and WILL run the ball effectively. Westbrook wasn't even supposed to be our starter in 2004 when we went to the SB - Buck was. He's the best runner we have, and talent wise, the guy is one of the better runners in the NFL. Health has been his only problem. BTW, we had one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL that season, and I believe (could be mistaken) we averaged over 5 yards a carry as well.

The 2004 and 2005 seasons were influenced by He Who We Shall Not Name needing the ball 15 times a game. That isn't our offense. We like to run about 42% of the time, and spread the ball around in the passing game.

In addition, this is the best run blocking OL we've had under Reid. Andrews is going to be known around the NFL as the best OG in the NFL by the end of this year. He's slimmed down to 340 (yes, that is him at a low weight). He is simply dominating. Our Center Jamaal Jackson battled the best NT in football to a draw against the Steelers. He is a HUGE upgrade for us compared to 2003. Runyan is Runyan - one of the best RTs in football, and arguably the nastiest OL in the whole NFL.

BTW, McNabb has never lead the Eagles in rushing in his career. Not even once. I don't know where you got that idea, but you made it up.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 07:53 PM
That's why the Texans rushing offense was ranked 6th in the preseason.
From here on, there shall be no more mention of anything that happened in the preseason. Nothing.

It matters not. The only people who put stock in preseason performance are people whose teams don't have much else to talk about.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 07:53 PM
It completely amazes me that anyone would even put them in the same conversation, much less suggest that Carr might be better. Anytime I hear this, it just reaffirms my thought about the Texans.

To end the conversation, I'll ask one question: Which QB would you rather have, McNabb or Carr? Please answer honestly.
Carr is a TEXAN and I love the Texans. Over the past 4 years McNabb has been the better player, but do keep in mind that we're talking about the past. Personally I don't like McNabb as a player, don't think he is that great of a player.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 07:54 PM
Not to be a jerk, but you haven't a clue of what you speak.

Go back to 2003. Our leading rusher wasn't Duce Staley. It was Buck. And if you look back to that season you'll see that the Eagles can, and WILL run the ball effectively. Westbrook wasn't even supposed to be our starter in 2004 when we went to the SB - Buck was. He's the best runner we have, and talent wise, the guy is one of the better runners in the NFL. Health has been his only problem. BTW, we had one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL that season, and I believe (could be mistaken) we averaged over 5 yards a carry as well.

The 2004 and 2005 seasons were influenced by He Who We Shall Not Name needing the ball 15 times a game. That isn't our offense. We like to run about 42% of the time, and spread the ball around in the passing game.

In addition, this is the best run blocking OL we've had under Reid. Andrews is going to be known around the NFL as the best OG in the NFL by the end of this year. He's slimmed down to 340 (yes, that is him at a low weight). He is simply dominating. Our Center Jamaal Jackson battled the best NT in football to a draw against the Steelers. He is a HUGE upgrade for us compared to 2003. Runyan is Runyan - one of the best RTs in football, and arguably the nastiest OL in the whole NFL.

BTW, McNabb has never lead the Eagles in rushing in his career. Not even once. I don't know where you got that idea, but you made it up.
Pure perception by people who can't see outside the border of the state of Texas.

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 07:56 PM
From here on, there shall be no more mention of anything that happened in the preseason. Nothing.

It matters not. The only people who put stock in preseason performance are people whose teams don't have much else to talk about.


Would you rather talk about last years Eagles? Lets face it both teams only have the preseason to go on. You guys don't exactly have a lot of rings on your fingers either.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 08:01 PM
Pure perception by people who can't see outside the border of the state of Texas.
That would be "the great state of Texas" to you mr. green bird.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:06 PM
Sorry. I have never seen any thing great out of McNabb. He is an average QB that can't win big games. I must have missed when Carr actually won something. Dude please, McNabb has won games 10 times bigger than this game.



The only difference between McNabb and Carr is a soup commercial and throwing up on national T.V.This comment doesn't even warrant a response.:rolleyes:

You need to put the kool-aid down. You can't even begin to compare Carr to number 5.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-05-2006, 08:08 PM
Carr is a TEXAN and I love the Texans. Over the past 4 years McNabb has been the better player, but do keep in mind that we're talking about the past. Personally I don't like McNabb as a player, don't think he is that great of a player.

McNabb is a top 3 QB in the NFL, period. Only clueless twits don't consider him among the leagues best players.

McNabb is so far out of Carrs realm it isn't even funny. McNabb is having a Hall Of Fame career.

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 08:12 PM
McNabb is a top 3 QB in the NFL, period. Only clueless twits don't consider him among the leagues best players.

McNabb is so far out of Carrs realm it isn't even funny. McNabb is having a Hall Of Fame career.


P. Manning
T. Brady
C. Palmer

Those are my top 3, I think McNabb is a top 5 though. Just my humble opinion.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 08:12 PM
McNabb is a top 3 QB in the NFL, period. Only clueless twits don't consider him among the leagues best players.

McNabb is so far out of Carrs realm it isn't even funny. McNabb is having a Hall Of Fame career.

Top 3 QB in the NFL? Now who's drinking the kool aid. Manning, Brady, Palmer, and Hasslebeck ring a bell? You could make a case that he's a top 3 QB in the NFC but not the NFL.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 08:13 PM
Carr is a TEXAN and I love the Texans. Over the past 4 years McNabb has been the better player, but do keep in mind that we're talking about the past. Personally I don't like McNabb as a player, don't think he is that great of a player.
Again, I will ask the question. Would you rather have McNabb or Carr? A five time Pro-Bowler, former runner-up MVP, or an unproven QB?

southtexan
09-05-2006, 08:14 PM
Again, I will ask the question. Would you rather have McNabb or Carr? A five time Pro-Bowler, former runner-up MVP, or an unproven QB?
Not McNabb.

infantrycak
09-05-2006, 08:14 PM
Not to be a jerk, but you haven't a clue of what you speak.

Let's keep the insults off the MB--thanks.

Go back to 2003. Our leading rusher wasn't Duce Staley. It was Buck.

Buck has never had a season as the leading rusher--Westbrook was the 2003 leader 613 yds vs. 542 yds.

BTW, we had one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL that season, and I believe (could be mistaken) we averaged over 5 yards a carry as well.

Philly was 9th in rushing ypg and 4.8 ypc--very respectable.

BTW, McNabb has never lead the Eagles in rushing in his career. Not even once. I don't know where you got that idea, but you made it up.

Yup--once--2000--Link (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phiindex.htm) Don't know where the rest of the assertion came from.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:15 PM
Top 3 QB in the NFL? Now who's drinking the kool aid. Manning, Brady, Palmer, and Hasslebeck ring a bell? You could make a case that he's a top 3 QB in the NFC but not the NFL.
Hasselbeck? Sorry, try again.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 08:17 PM
Hasselbeck? Sorry, try again.

Look at his stats. He was the leading QB in the NFC last season. You could even make a case for Delhomme over McNabb. Put the blind homerism aside & take a look at it objectively.

Hasselbeck
65.5% 3459yds 7.70YPA 24TDs 9INTs 98.2 QB Rat

furferret2
09-05-2006, 08:17 PM
instead of all you dunce eagle fans dropping in to announce how the eagles are going to whip the texans this week -- how about throwing out some valid reasons why....and the response "im here to inform you the eagles are gonna kick butt because im a BIG eagles fan and its my job" is stupid nonsense that shouldnt be allowed to take up space on these boards.

for example, i would argue the texans have a great shot at winning this game because --

the eagles have reworked the 23rd rated dline from a year ago, but what about the LBs behind them?? save trotter, this unit could be exposed against a texans team that ran pretty well in the pre season. knowing that they are facing a solid secordary, it wouldnt surprise me to see the texans come out and try and run alot against the eagles, while picking their spots against a usually blitz happy eagle D, no matter how good the secondary, if the oline can give Carr a few seconds of protection, i like johnson and moulds to be able to find some spots to make plays.

that being said, the eagles arent very scary on offense. honestly, eagle fans better hope for big things from stallworth and reggie brown, because andy reid hasnt shown much faith in the westbrook running attack (last year the eagles were primarily a pass first offense --- what does reid have against westbrook?? sure the guy is a good receiving back, but i think he can run as well). additionally, the texans showed a pretty stout defense in the preseason and the new 4-3 defense could give some real trouble to the eagle offense. it wouldnt surprise me to see a lot of david akers in this one.

to me, all of that adds up to a game that should be a close one, with both teams having things they "need" to do in order to win. being a texan fan, i like the texans chances on running against the eagles and being able to exploit johnson and moulds in man coverage. i also think the defense has shown enough promise in the preseason to think that they can keep the held down to a couple of fgs and a touchdown. if so, a 1-0 start wouldnt be a surprise.

id really like to hear from some eagles guys as to "why" they think they can/should/will win, but please, try to be objective and factual...

thanks,

W. Bum
The Eagles will win because....

OFFENSE

#5- McNabb is one of the best QB's in the NFL and he is supposedly sharper than ever. You know what's scary... he was great BEFORE Terrel Owens. These recievers that he has in Stallworth, Brown, Smith, and Westbrook is the best group he's been with except for the TO "era". He can still move in the pocket and he has been reluctant to cross the line of scrimmage in preseason becuase why risk damaging the franchise?

Return of the rush- Westbrook has the skills to be in the top 10 running backs as a rusher. As an all-around back he already has those honors, but he will be known as a rusher as well this year as long as he isn't injured. If you look up the numbers, Reid called a 53/47 pass/run ratio before the Owens era. Why run it for 3 or 4 when you can bomb it for 20 and complete it every time? Now with TO gone, the rush should come back.

Balanced pass- McNabb is great at buying time and working every reciever into his gameplan. 2 TE sets and 3 or 4 WR sets are going to be seen a lot and McNabb will make sure the defense watches everyone, including him. Besides the 4 guys I mentioned before- Schoebel, Tapeh, Greg Lewis, Avant, Baskett, and Buckhalter are all going to be seeing touches this year.

Offensive line- Two words... Deep and Dangerous. Jackson impressed last year when he filled in for the injured Hank Fraley, Shawn Andrews has shown he could be amazing in his short career. Runyan and Thomas are already polished Pro Bowl veterans and Herremans is in the same boat as Jackson... he impressed last year as a replacement. We also have two rookies, Max Jean Gilles and Justice, two guys in the top of the rookie class in their positions. The rest of the backups have experience and they are young and ready to prove themselves.

DEFENSE

D-Line- You guys have already gone over how dangerous they are going to be. The linebackers don't need to be great in this defense when we have a good line, it's the nature of Jim Johnson's system.

Trotter- One of the best run stuffers in the NFL, hands down. The OLBs are Dhani Jones and Matt McCoy. McCoy is a playmaker in the making, and at this point he is a risk/reward type guy. At SLB, Jones doesn't break plays wide open, but he doesn't screw up very often.

Secondary- In 04, 3 out of 4 of these guys made it to the pro bowl. Enough said.

ST's

Akers is an excellent kicker and Dirk Johnson is an average punter. Reno Mahe, our primary return isn't the cream of the crop but he's pretty good.

Why you will lose-

From what I've heard, you are learning a new offense and a new defense. That's not easy to do. Moulds and Johnson are your best weapons but your QB can't get them the ball without protection. Wali Lundy is a rookie and yes, Kubiak has a good scheme, but if it just automatically works for any team who plugs it in... EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL WOULD USE IT. There's no guarantee at all that the Texans will be the next Broncos. Your secondary has Dunta Robinson who is good but other than that you are suspect. Your LB group is decent and your defensive line seems to be way overrated by the guys on the Eagles board.

I'm saying 38-6

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:17 PM
Not McNabb.
lol:

That's because you're a homer......

furferret2
09-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Look at his stats. He was the leading QB in the NFC last season. You could even make a case for Delhomme over McNabb. Put the blind homerism aside & take a look at it objectively.
He led becuase McNabb was hurt. Pretty smooth thinking, buddy.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Would you rather talk about last years Eagles? Lets face it both teams only have the preseason to go on. You guys don't exactly have a lot of rings on your fingers either.
Yes, but the Eagles have a recent history of playoff success to go on, and any twit with 1/2 a brain knows that last year was a result of so many injuries it was comical.

The preseason is for "bubble" players trying to make a team. That's why most starters play one half at the most in a game. Anyone making predictions based on the preseason has absolutely no clue what the NFL is about.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:20 PM
Look at his stats. He was the leading QB in the NFC last season. You could even make a case for Delhomme over McNabb. Put the blind homerism aside & take a look at it objectively.
Look at the career numbers and get back to me.

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 08:23 PM
Yes, but the Eagles have a recent history of playoff success to go on, and any twit with 1/2 a brain knows that last year was a result of so many injuries it was comical.

The preseason is for "bubble" players trying to make a team. That's why most starters play one half at the most in a game. Anyone making predictions based on the preseason has absolutely no clue what the NFL is about.


Hey live off past success if it makes you feel better. And your season was rather comical last year. I really liked the sit-ups in the driveway.

In all seriousness I hope someone lays T.O. out this year, and I don't much care who does it. The guy gets away with doing anything he wants, and there is always some other schmuck waiting to pick him up.

furferret2
09-05-2006, 08:26 PM
Hey live off past success if it makes you feel better. And your season was rather comical last year. I really liked the sit-ups in the driveway.

In all seriousness I hope someone lays T.O. out this year, and I don't much care who does it. The guy gets away with doing anything he wants, and there is always some other schmuck waiting to pick him up.
I hope you are saying that the off-field stuff was comical and not the on-field, because Texan fans are the LAST ones who should be talking about comical performances on the field.

Thank you for feeling the same way about TO as us.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 08:26 PM
lol:

That's because you're a homer......
What would you expect? I don't suppose that you expect me to cheer for McNabb and the Eagles...would you?

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:29 PM
Wow.... this thread is hilarious. I give some of you Texans fans kudos for knowing what is what and others --- well y'all have some major issues.

Carr is better than McNabb? Wow. I never ever ever thought I would hear anybody say that.

Howard had no help when he was with the Saints. Everybody knows that. Come on now. Putting him in there on the Eagles Defense with Kearse is going to be insane. Everybody knows that you need at least one great DE and one decent DE on the ends to even be competitive. One side breaks down, the other one does also. Have you ever even played one down of football in your life? Oh yeah, watch out for McCoy... the guy is one crazy mofo out on the field.

DEFENSE:

Trotter MLB - 4-time probowler for a reason.
Kearse DE - 3-time probowler -- you know who he is.
Patterson LDT - made an immediate impact in his rookie campaign (2005), leading the defensive line with 66 tackles and leading all Eagle DTs and NFL rookie DTs with 3.5 sacks.
Walker RDT - 4th is most sacks as a DT since 2002 w/ 20.5 sacks
Howard DE - 44.5 sacks in six season as a SAINT
Jones SLB - lucky to be starting -- hot & cold.
McCoy WLB - 2nd year player and an animal out on the field
Brown CB - Should have been a probowler last year but he had 4 INTs and was one of three NFL players to record a touchdown via a fumble return and via an interception return.
Sheppard CB - Probowler and can be a major force
Dawkins FS - 5 time probowler and future Hall of Famer... enough said!
Lewis SS - Houston is home but Philly is where his heart lies. Probowler and 402 tackles in three years. Lewis and Dawkins are the top safety tandem in the NFL.

Yeah..... you should be scared. :shades:

OFFENSE:

McNabb QB - 5-time probowler and one of the biggest threats in the NFL via the air or the ground. Highest winning percentage among active QBs in the NFL (.682). Lowest Interception Percentage among active NFL QBs (2.24). NFC Offensive Player of the Year in 2004. On the road to being the most winningest QB in a decade.

http://org-www.lincolnfinancialfield.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/MKOBFJCHNADA/mcnabb1_05stats.jpg

2,943 Pass Attepts, 1718 Completions, 19,433 passing yards, and 134 Passing TDs... you do the math. Watch the guy play and get out of bad situations. The guy amazes me and the commentators every time. He is just in his prime now. McNabb holds the first spot for the record for most consecutive pass attempts completed — 24 — against the New York Giants and Green Bay Packers in 2004 over two games. McNabb is the second least intercepted quarterback per pass attempt in NFL history, behind only Neil O'Donnell, formerly of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He is the only NFL Quarterback in history to throw for more than 30 touchdowns and less than 10 Interceptions in a season (2004 - 31 TD, 8 INT). Want more? LOL!

LJ SMITH TE - in the Top Ten for best TEs in the NFL. He had 61 receptions last year for 682 yards -- 3 TDs. Many TEs went to the Probowl with those numbers. He is also a great blocker and this will only be his third year. Last year was his first year as a starter.

William 'Tra' Thomas OT - 3-time probowler.

Runyan OT - probowler. Has started in all 96 regular season games as an Eagle.

Herremans LG - First saw him play last year. Will have to see what he can do as a started. Not sure on this one.

Jackson G - Looked great thusfar but will have to see as the season progresses. He is a beast though.

Andrews G - A monster that every QB in the NFL wants to have protecting them. Probowler and will be the next Larry Allen.

Tapeh FB - tough kid that can run. Will have to see what he can do. Good blocker thusfar.

Westbrook RB - Probowler. He just keeps getting better and better. One of the biggest threats in the NFL.

http://org-www.lincolnfinancialfield.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/ILBJNEOLJEDC/west1_stats_06.jpg

Buckhalter RB - If he stays healthy this year, he will be a probowler.

Stallworth WR - had 70 receptions for 945 yards and 7 TDs last year with the Saints. Who was his QB? Yeah, exactly. Who is his QB this year? Now you are getting the picture.

Brown WR - #1 WR on the depth charts for a reason. Going to be a probowler if he stays healthy this year and will turn a lot of heads by the end of the season. Despite being a full-time starter for just the final nine games of the season, he led all NFL rookies with 571 receiving yards. Who was his QB for a lot of those games? McMahon. Imagine what he will accomplish this year with McNabb at QB. DAYUM!

Akers K - 3-time probowler. Ranks tied for 4th on the NFL's all-time list with an 82.0% career field goal percentage (155 of 189 atts.) Plays just as well when he is hurt also. He hits 57 yarders for breakfast.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 08:29 PM
He led becuase McNabb was hurt. Pretty smooth thinking, buddy.

Bulger was ahead of him too. Oh and he was hurt too so that excuse doesn't go too far. As well as a few others. News flash here McNabbs best season was with a certain disgruntled receiver. Ever think he might have played a role in his success? Before and after TO his QB Rating never got above 86. Considering the nature of the offense he plays in compared to the nature of offense Delhomme plays in it's pretty easy to see who the better QB is and he doesn't wear number 5.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:33 PM
What would you expect? I don't suppose that you expect me to cheer for McNabb and the Eagles...would you?
No, I don't expect you to cheer for the Eagles, but for you to say that given a choice between the two you'd take Carr is completely asinine.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:33 PM
Look at his stats. He was the leading QB in the NFC last season. You could even make a case for Delhomme over McNabb. Put the blind homerism aside & take a look at it objectively.

Hasselbeck
65.5% 3459yds 7.70YPA 24TDs 9INTs 98.2 QB Rat


Last season. Ummmm, McNabb got injured in Week 1 last year. Yes, Hasslebeck was the leading QB in the NFC last year but would not have if McNabb was healthy. I can bet you on that.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 08:33 PM
Sorry. I have never seen any thing great out of McNabb. He is an average QB that can't win big games.

Numerous playoff games. 2005 NFC Championship Game. But those don't count.

If the Eagles are ahead he does great, but you put him behind the 8-ball and he falls apart. But thats my opinion.

Don't great QB's lead their teams to leads, and keep them from getting behind? Oh, and check videotape of last year's game against Kansas City in KC. That should strengthen your argument.

The only difference between McNabb and Carr is a soup commercial and throwing up on national T.V.

And five pro-bowls. And one MVP runner-up season. And one Super Bowl appearance. And six playoff appearances. And....

Andy Reid is responsible for McNabbs success. Look what he did for Feeley. Got a second round pick for a third string QB. Ha.

Isn't any coach responsible for his QB's success? The great ones tailor their plans to their QB's strengths. This just proves that the coaching of the Texans has always stunk.

I think its funny that Carr does the same things as McNabb and people idolize McNabb for some bizarre reason.

I don't think that losing and spending most of your career staring at the sky is what McNabb has been doing.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:34 PM
Hey live off past success if it makes you feel better. And your season was rather comical last year. I really liked the sit-ups in the driveway.

In all seriousness I hope someone lays T.O. out this year, and I don't much care who does it. The guy gets away with doing anything he wants, and there is always some other schmuck waiting to pick him up.


I hope the Texans lays Owens out. That would rock.

Texanfan4ever
09-05-2006, 08:35 PM
Pure perception by people who can't see outside the border of the state of Texas.

Who would want to........

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Last season. Ummmm, McNabb got injured in Week 1 last year. Yes, Hasslebeck was the leading QB in the NFC last year but would not have if McNabb was healthy. I can bet you on that.

Bulger finished number two in passer rating and he was hurt too. He only played 8 games. McNabb performed pretty much up to his average as a QB in this league with the exception of the TO year. Calling him a top 3 NFL QB is sheer homerism. When he's got a legit competition just to be the top 3 NFC QB.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Wow.... this thread is hilarious. I give some of you Texans fans kudos for knowing what is what and others --- well y'all have some major issues.

Carr is better than McNabb? Wow. I never ever ever thought I would hear anybody say that.

Howard had no help when he was with the Saints. Everybody knows that. Come on now. Putting him in there on the Eagles Defense with Kearse is going to be insane. Everybody knows that you need at least one great DE and one decent DE on the ends to even be competitive. One side breaks down, the other one does also. Have you ever even played one down of football in your life? Oh yeah, watch out for McCoy... the guy is one crazy mofo out on the field.

DEFENSE:

Trotter MLB - 4-time probowler for a reason.
Kearse DE - 3-time probowler -- you know who he is.
Patterson LDT - made an immediate impact in his rookie campaign (2005), leading the defensive line with 66 tackles and leading all Eagle DTs and NFL rookie DTs with 3.5 sacks.
Walker RDT - 4th is most sacks as a DT since 2002 w/ 20.5 sacks
Howard DE - 44.5 sacks in six season as a SAINT
Jones SLB - lucky to be starting -- hot & cold.
McCoy WLB - 2nd year player and an animal out on the field
Brown CB - Should have been a probowler last year but he had 4 INTs and was one of three NFL players to record a touchdown via a fumble return and via an interception return.
Sheppard CB - Probowler and can be a major force
Dawkins FS - 5 time probowler and future Hall of Famer... enough said!
Lewis SS - Houston is home but Philly is where his heart lies. Probowler and 402 tackles in three years. Lewis and Dawkins are the top safety tandem in the NFL.

Yeah..... you should be scared. :shades:

OFFENSE:

McNabb QB - 5-time probowler and one of the biggest threats in the NFL via the air or the ground. Highest winning percentage among active QBs in the NFL (.682). Lowest Interception Percentage among active NFL QBs (2.24). NFC Offensive Player of the Year in 2004. On the road to being the most winningest QB in a decade.

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2,943 Pass Attepts, 1718 Completions, 19,433 passing yards, and 134 Passing TDs... you do the math. Watch the guy play and get out of bad situations. The guy amazes me and the commentators every time. He is just in his prime now. McNabb holds the first spot for the record for most consecutive pass attempts completed — 24 — against the New York Giants and Green Bay Packers in 2004 over two games. McNabb is the second least intercepted quarterback per pass attempt in NFL history, behind only Neil O'Donnell, formerly of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He is the only NFL Quarterback in history to throw for more than 30 touchdowns and less than 10 Interceptions in a season (2004 - 31 TD, 8 INT). Want more? LOL!

LJ SMITH TE - in the Top Ten for best TEs in the NFL. He had 61 receptions last year for 682 yards -- 3 TDs. Many TEs went to the Probowl with those numbers. He is also a great blocker and this will only be his third year. Last year was his first year as a starter.

William 'Tra' Thomas OT - 3-time probowler.

Runyan OT - probowler. Has started in all 96 regular season games as an Eagle.

Herremans LG - First saw him play last year. Will have to see what he can do as a started. Not sure on this one.

Jackson G - Looked great thusfar but will have to see as the season progresses. He is a beast though.

Andrews G - A monster that every QB in the NFL wants to have protecting them. Probowler and will be the next Larry Allen.

Tapeh FB - tough kid that can run. Will have to see what he can do. Good blocker thusfar.

Westbrook RB - Probowler. He just keeps getting better and better. One of the biggest threats in the NFL.

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Buckhalter RB - If he stays healthy this year, he will be a probowler.

Stallworth WR - had 70 receptions for 945 yards and 7 TDs last year with the Saints. Who was his QB? Yeah, exactly. Who is his QB this year? Now you are getting the picture.

Brown WR - #1 WR on the depth charts for a reason. Going to be a probowler if he stays healthy this year and will turn a lot of heads by the end of the season. Despite being a full-time starter for just the final nine games of the season, he led all NFL rookies with 571 receiving yards. Who was his QB for a lot of those games? McMahon. Imagine what he will accomplish this year with McNabb at QB. DAYUM!

Akers K - 3-time probowler. Ranks tied for 4th on the NFL's all-time list with an 82.0% career field goal percentage (155 of 189 atts.) Plays just as well when he is hurt also. He hits 57 yarders for breakfast.
Awesome post flylikeaneagle. Bravo.:superman:

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Bulger finished number two in passer rating and he was hurt too. He only played 8 games. McNabb performed pretty much up to his average as a QB in this league with the exception of the TO year. Calling him a top 3 NFL QB is sheer homerism. When he's got a legit competition just to be the top 3 NFC QB.


Passer rating? You bring up passer ratings? LMAO!!! Wow. Yeah, I forgot that Bulger had a sports hernia. Silly me. :tease:

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Not McNabb.
I'll assume that this means you'd take Carr over McNabb.

In which case, that's all that I need to prove my point that very few on this board can see outside the border of the state of Texas.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 08:40 PM
Who would want to........
Better question: Who wouldn't want to?

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 08:41 PM
Passer rating? You bring up passer ratings? LMAO!!! Wow. Yeah, I forgot that Bulger had a sports hernia. Silly me. :tease:

Take a look at the top 3 QBs in the NFL in passer ratings then get back to me. Here I'll make it easy for you.

Palmer, Manning, Brady. I dunno perhaps it's a legit way to judge a QB's performance.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:41 PM
Funny how Texans are the only ones who see their state as great. Every one else just views them as pompous, arrogant rednecks. Hmmmmm.


I am not a Texan but I live here and it is GREAT. I love it. The people who think what you just posted are just ignorant. Pure and simple. I love Pennsylvania. Really beautiful state and I go there to visit up in the mountains once a month. Texas rocks though.

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 08:41 PM
1. The Eagles have to be the favorite in this game, after the Texans went 2-14. Eagle fans need to keep in mind that they are not playing the same Texans from last year. Lots of new players, tons of new coaches, totally different scheme on both sides of the ball. Many of the guys on this team didn't experience a 2-14 season last year.

2. As a Texans fan I would trade Carr for McNabb in a heart beat. McNabb has been better, no way anyone can argue otherwise. (But had Carr gone to the Eagles and McNabb been the starter as a rookie on an expansion team, he probably wouldn't have numbers that different from Carr's.)

3. Reliant Stadium is not a easy place to play on opening day.

4. If the Eagles give the Texans as little respect as members of the media and philly fans do, then the Eagles will lose this game.

5. Don't expect the Eagles to get a ton of sacks. Against Kubiaks offense last year the Eagles only got one sack on the Broncos. The combination of zone blocking for the running attack and moving the pocket around for the pass can drive a d-lineman crazy. Philly has a great d-line but they will not be as big of a factor as they would be with a traditional offense with a stationary pocket.

personally I am predicting that the Texans running back with the most carries will have over 100 yards of rushing. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans have over 150 yards of total rushing.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
I'll assume that this means you'd take Carr over McNabb.

In which case, that's all that I need to prove my point that very few on this board can see outside the border of the state of Texas.
If I had a choice I'd take Brady over Carr and McNabb. Since I don't have that choice I'd have to settle for Carr.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Take a look at the top 3 QBs in the NFL in passer ratings then get back to me. Here I'll make it easy for you.

Palmer, Manning, Brady. I dunno perhaps it's a legit way to judge a QB's performance.


I did not disagree with you but McNabb was out last year so it's a mute point you are trying to make. Ooooh wow. Three QBs with the highest passer ratings. Too bad none of the three listed above has anything to do with this thread and it's ongoing conversation. :shades:

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Funny how Texans are the only ones who see their state as great. Every one else just views them as pompous, arrogant rednecks. Hmmmmm.


I guess someone got under your skin. Do I need to give the public view of Eagles fans? No? then lets just leave the inaccurate stereotypes out of this shall we?

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:45 PM
I am not a Texan but I live here and it is GREAT. I love it. The people who think what you just posted are just ignorant. Pure and simple. I love Pennsylvania. Really beautiful state and I go there to visit up in the mountains once a month. Texas rocks though.
I live in California and love it. The wheather is perfect here in La Jolla. However, I do miss Philly all the time and cherish my trips back. Cali is great, but the food in Philly is 10 times better.:bananasplit: In fact, a cheesesteak or tasty cake sounds good right about now. I wish some one could mail me some.:crying:

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:46 PM
4. If the Eagles give the Texans as little respect as members of the media and philly fans do, then the Eagles will lose this game.



Obviously you do not listen to any of the press conferences. The Eagles do respect the Texans and what they have in the organization. Andy Reid said it. Lurie said it. McNabb said it. Trotter and Dawkins has said it. Nobody is going into this game thinking that this will be a cakewalk win. The Eagles organization is not like that and neither are the fans. We just think our team is way better is all and why not? LMAO! :shades:

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:47 PM
I guess someone got under your skin. Do I need to give the public view of Eagles fans? No? then lets just leave the inaccurate stereotypes out of this shall we?Are you kidding me? What stereotypes? The posters on this board are doing a good job of living up to them........I couldn't care less if you stereotype Eagles fans. I'm fine with knowing we're the most passionate fans in the NFL.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 08:48 PM
I live in California and love it. The wheather is perfect here in La Jolla. However, I do miss Philly all the time and cherish my trips back. Cali is great, but the food in Philly is 10 times better.:bananasplit: In fact, a cheesesteak or tasty cake sounds good right about now. I wish some one could mail me some.:crying:


We have tastykakes in Texas. :tease:

furferret2
09-05-2006, 08:50 PM
Heres my humble opinion.

QB. McNabb/Carr. This match up is even with a slight edge to Carr. Oh I know what the haters have said but lets face facts, Carr is more mobile than McNabb and has about the same accuracy (We all saw the super-bowl, and hasn't been the same since). McNabb had one good passer year and that was with TO on the team, Pre TO McNabb used his legs to make plays. Carr has been the second best rushing QB behind Vick for the last three years. Carr has a bigger arm and is throwing to better quality receivers than what McNabb has. Carr, despite having Gaffney and Bradford and being sacked 67 times he still threw 14 TD's. I have said this for a while now, McNabb is way over-rated.

WR. Johnson/Moulds vs Stallworth/Brown. Without going in depth, Stallworth is another Bradford and Brown would be a #4 on our team.

O-Line. Even. I think. Texans gave up 4 sacks in 4 games against some really good D-Lines. St.Louis and Denver are very good teams. Our one weakness is going to be Weigert.

RB. Texans. Zone blocking. Ron Dayne is a huge pick up. Lundy is solid and Morency can score from anywhere on the field. Ya Ya the Eagles have Westbrook but he is not really a RB but I will get to him in a sec.

TE. Texans. Who do the Eagle have? Smith. Texans have Daniels, Bruener, Putzier and FB/TE BennieJ.

D. This is where I think the Eagles have the advantage.

D-Line. I am giving the edge to the Texans but not by much. IMO the Texans D-Line is more flexible. Weaver, Williams, TJ, Payne for run situations and then Peek, Babin, Williams, Weaver in passing situations.

LB. This one goes to the Eagles. Texans have Ryans but for me the jury is still out on Greenwood. Other than that we lack depth and Orr is going to have to play in a 4/3.

Secondary. Eagles. We got Robinson but thats about it. And no depth due to injury. Eagles CB's are pretty good and the Eagles have Dawkins which is huge.

Kicker. Eagles. I hate Kris Brown. sorry to be so blunt but thats how I feel. Ackers is a very good Kicker, and if it comes down to field goals the Texans will lose this game. Your one job on the team is to kick the football and you shank 35 yard field goals? Your fired.

The X factor. Westbrook or Peek? With Westbrook on the field, you have to account for him. Running or Catching Westbrook will kill your team with a single play. Peek. If the games on the line and you need a stop or turn over, thats your man. Whether its blocking a punt or destroying the QB, in crunch situations he's the single most dangerous defensive player on the field.

But that is just my opinion. I have been know to be wrong once or twice.:redtowel:
QB- I'm not sure if it's the crack you're smoking or the kool aid you're drinking but Carr does not have an edge on McNabb.

WR- You are correct, you have a slight edge in this department. But to go and say Stallworth sucks and Brown would be a #4 on your team is quite homerific.

RB- I don't know why you are so in love with Ron Dayne. He's bounced around multiple times and he hasn't shown he can be good. He has had flashes but he's not even close to consistent. Lundy was good coming out of college but to compare him to one of the most agile running backs in the NFL is ridiculous. If zone blocking automatically worked miracles for every team that used it... EVERY TEAM WOULD USE IT!

OL- Not even. Not even close. I'm not going to even start on how pathetic your line is so I'll keep it short and sweet by referring to the experts. The Eagles (according to Fantasy Football index) have the 6th best O-Line while the Texans have the 30th. You can complain about being a couple numbers off (like 11 to 15 for example) but when the ranking is 6 to 30- it's pretty obvious who's better.

TE- Once again you are just making yourself look stupid. Smith/Schoebel>>>>>Putzier/Bruener/Daniels

DL- HAHAHA. What a joke. You can't grade your own flexibility when you know nothing of ours (as if flexibility really counts that much anyway I'm going by your idiotic idea). Base D- Howard, Walker, Patterson, Kearse and for the pass it would be Cole Howard Walker and Kearse.

LB- Trotter is a beast, Jones is a solid starter and McCoy is a work in progress. Glad we could see eye to eye.

DB- CB's are pretty good? Easily one of the best tandems in the NFL. Actually the whole DB group is one of the best in the NFL.

Peek? Who the hell is Peek?

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 08:51 PM
I did not disagree with you but McNabb was out last year so it's a mute point you are trying to make. Ooooh wow. Three QBs with the highest passer ratings. Too bad none of the three listed above has anything to do with this thread and it's ongoing conversation. :shades:

One of your fellow Eagle trolls made it a point to say McNabb was a TOP 3 NFL QB!!! Last time I checked those guys played in the NFL and were far and away better QBs than McNabb. So if you have an issue with it I suggest you take it up with your fellow Eagles fan back at your lovenest or birdsnest or whatever you call it. Again, McNabb and Bulger were BOTH OUT last year. Bulger played in 8 games and McNabb played in 9. Bulger still finished ahead of him. As did 6 other players in the NFC alone. Not a ringing endorsement for what one fan claimed to be a "Top 3 NFL QB". Homerism runs rampant on both sides of the fence.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 08:53 PM
You guys were in the playoffs last year? Someone check that for me I was almost sure they were 6-10.
Yet again, another Einstein who takes time to read the entire post.

The comment was that McNabb has been the leading rusher for the team over the past 4-5 years. My point goes to watching the playoffs over those years, seeing that he's only led the team twice in rushing in those games, which is indicative of how those seasons went. I use the playoffs because that's the only game that the entire country is guaranteed to watch.

You know, the playoffs. Never heard of them. Yes, there is football after Week 17 in the NFL.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 08:55 PM
We have tastykakes in Texas. :tease:
Damn you.:mad:

sadly, I've yet to find a cheesesteak that comes close to D'Allessandro's or Jim's.

They're decent but, meh.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:01 PM
Hands down.

I love it when other fans focus on Eagles' fans to bash them. Just proves to me that we are one of the best teams in the league.

Think of it this way: When the Chicago Bulls would come to town, no one ever boo'd Horace Grant!
You are one of the best teams in the league? Last year you were 6-10. This season you're 0-0 and so are we.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:01 PM
Take a look at the top 3 QBs in the NFL in passer ratings then get back to me. Here I'll make it easy for you.

Palmer, Manning, Brady. I dunno perhaps it's a legit way to judge a QB's performance.
By this logic, Brad Johnson is a better QB than McNabb, because his passer rating last year was better.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:03 PM
You are one of the best teams in the league? Last year you were 6-10. This season you're 0-0 and so are we.
How about the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before?

Again, if you can't see the root cause for the backslide of last year, you need to expand your NFL viewing to include teams not based in Houston.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:06 PM
By this logic, Brad Johnson is a better QB than McNabb, because his passer rating last year was better.



Judge their performances last year. Who was the better QB last season? The guy who lead his team from the bottom of the NFC to contention or the guy who saw his team implode and drop to 6-10?

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:07 PM
How about the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before? And the year before?

Again, if you can't see the root cause for the backslide of last year, you need to expand your NFL viewing to include teams not based in Houston.
Well..... you're talking about the past.

bigtex77
09-05-2006, 09:07 PM
Hands down.

I love it when other fans focus on Eagles' fans to bash them. Just proves to me that we are one of the best teams in the league.

Think of it this way: When the Chicago Bulls would come to town, no one ever boo'd Horace Grant!

Newsflash: You are not singled out because you are one of the best teams in the league, you are singled out because you have no class. Let me know if you need anything else cleared up for you.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:08 PM
One of your fellow Eagle trolls made it a point to say McNabb was a TOP 3 NFL QB!!! Last time I checked those guys played in the NFL and were far and away better QBs than McNabb. So if you have an issue with it I suggest you take it up with your fellow Eagles fan back at your lovenest or birdsnest or whatever you call it. Again, McNabb and Bulger were BOTH OUT last year. Bulger played in 8 games and McNabb played in 9. Bulger still finished ahead of him. As did 6 other players in the NFC alone. Not a ringing endorsement for what one fan claimed to be a "Top 3 NFL QB". Homerism runs rampant on both sides of the fence.


Okay... but let me say this. McNabb... was.... injured.... all.... year. He... got... hurt... in... Week.... 1. Bulger did not get hurt until Week 6 against Indy so of course Bulger would have better numbers. When you go 6-8 in a game... that will help boost your QB rating. LOL! Bulger then was healthy for weeks 10 and 11 before being knocked out again during week 11 in the late 3rd QTR.

To me, the best QBs in the NFL today are Peyton Manning, Brady, and McNabb. McNabb is the best QB in the NFC.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:09 PM
Damn you.:mad:

sadly, I've yet to find a cheesesteak that comes close to D'Allessandro's or Jim's.

They're decent but, meh.


We have a pretty good cheesesteak place here in Houston called Jake's. Good stuff but nothing like the kind you get in Philly.

Texadelphia sucks.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 09:11 PM
Not to be a jerk, but you haven't a clue of what you speak.

Go back to 2003. Our leading rusher wasn't Duce Staley. It was Buck. And if you look back to that season you'll see that the Eagles can, and WILL run the ball effectively.

2003 rushing yards:
BrianWestbrook: 613 yards 5.2ypc
Corell Buckhalter: 542 yards 4.3ypc
Duce Staley: 463 yards 4.8ypc
D. McNabb: 355 yards 5.0ypc

I never said Duce was your leading rusher in 2003. I said youu haven't had a running game since DuceStaley..... obviously, that year you had a running game was prior to 2003. 1600 yards isn't much of a running game, coming from 3 running backs...... it's not the kind of thing you plan around.

'sides tater, if you knew what you were talking about(being an Eaglesfan) you'd know when & if Buckhalter(your best runner) ever lead your team in rushing.

From here on, there shall be no more mention of anything that happened in the preseason. Nothing.

It matters not. The only people who put stock in preseason performance are people whose teams don't have much else to talk about.

You know what has even less bearing on how Sunday's game is going to turn out??

the 2004 season.

So whatever you thought you had in 2004, forget about it. Right now, the 2005 bottom of the NFC East barrell is who you are. & Since the AFC is much tougher than the NFC, I'll say your 6-10 season is the equivalent to our 2-14.

and another thing. Let's look at SF to see if we can predict how the iGGles season will turn out.

They've been on a steady decline since not being able to satisfy the most explosive player ever to play the game of football(Terrell Owens in case you're slow........... or an Eagles fan). It only took them 2 seasons to get the #6 pick in the draft.

You guys picked up JeffGarcia................ you should be picking about 6 in the '07 draft.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:11 PM
Yes McNabb's best season was with a disgruntled reicever. Bravo, idiot. If you gave Owens to the Texans, Carr would have is best year and if you gave Owens to Brady, Brady would have his best year.

Steve Smith and Muhshin Muhammad are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone McNabb ha splayed with except for TO.

McNabb's rating isn't high becuase he doesn't post a great number of yards or a great completion % becuase of weak WR's and the system he plays in. His WR's before TO blew and his numbers weren't great but he won games and pro bowl appearances. You need to watch games to assess quarterbacks. If you go by rating alone, A lot is misleading becuase of systems and weapons. Is Bulger really that good of a QB, or is it because he has Bruce and Holt?

Drop the name calling or you'll find yourself banned from this board. We don't tolerate that kind of stuff on this board if you want to partake in that you'd better go elsewhere.

I'm guessing by your reaction to my arguement that you're in agreement that McNabb is a TOP 3 NFL QB. Where are the stats to back up that statement? Prove that McNabb is better than Palmer, Manning, Brady, or hell even Trent Green.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:12 PM
We have a pretty good cheesesteak place here in Houston called Jake's. Good stuff but nothing like the kind you get in Philly.

Texadelphia sucks.
Let's see....if you take US 59 north I can assure you that eventually you will get to Pennsylvania.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Judge their performances last year. Who was the better QB last season? The guy who lead his team from the bottom of the NFC to contention or the guy who saw his team implode and drop to 6-10?

You knock Manning out in Week 1, what will happen to the Colts? You knock out Carson Palmer in Week 1, what would happen to the Bengals? You knock out Tom Brady in Week 1, what would happen to the Pats? You knock out Hasslebeck.....

you get it?

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:13 PM
To me, the best QBs in the NFL today are Peyton Manning, Brady, and McNabb. McNabb is the best QB in the NFC.

And Texans fans are the ones here not being realistic...?:homer:

Even McNabb wouldn't call himself a top 3 QB in the NFL, and we all know where TO ranks McNabb...probably just below Garcia.

infantrycak
09-05-2006, 09:13 PM
To reinforce texasguy--all the insults need to stop. We are not going to spend the time to edit them out of posts--the entire post will be deleted. Repeated insults will result in folks getting banned. Keep the debate above the waist. :cowboy1:

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 09:13 PM
McNabb QB - Highest winning percentage among active QBs in the NFL (.682)
That is very misleading. There was a HUGE *(QBs that have played 80 or more games. That is a ton of games and totally rules out some of the best QB's in the NFL.)

Carson Palmer
Big Ben
Tom Brady

These were the first few I looked up and they all have a better winning percentages and are all on teams that are poised to win alot of games this season.

Peyton Manning started 16 games as a rookie and got 14 losses due to his team being HORRIBLE the first year. While McNabb didn't technically start very many games, and the Eagles lost a lot of games that he played in his rookie year, but they didn't hurt his stats because he technically wasn't the starter.

I would say McNabb is around the 4th-7th best QB in the NFL.
Yes, I agree with your main point that Texans fans should not be comparing him to Carr.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:16 PM
Since the AFC is much tougher than the NFC



How do you figure that? Because the Steelers bear the Seachickens in the Superbowl last year? The refs have the trophy in the their office because they are the ones who won that game. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows the Seachickens played better than the Steelers. Come on... get with it. Last year's Superbowl never existed to me.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 09:16 PM
That is very misleading. There was a HUGE *(QBs that have played 80 or more games. That is a ton of games and totally rules out some of the best QB's in the NFL.)

Carson Palmer
Big Ben
Tom Brady

These were the first few I looked up and they all have a better winning percentages and are all on teams that are poised to win alot of games this season.

Peyton Manning started 16 games as a rookie and got 14 losses due to his team being HORRIBLE the first year. While McNabb didn't technically start very many games, and the Eagles lost a lot of games that he played in his rookie year, but they didn't hurt his stats because he technically wasn't the starter.

I would say McNabb is around the 4th-7th best QB in the NFL.
Yes, I agree with your main point that Texans fans should not be comparing him to Carr.
I anything, the bigger sample size for McNabb just makes the argument for him stronger while emphasizing longevity.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:16 PM
You knock Manning out in Week 1, what will happen to the Colts? You knock out Carson Palmer in Week 1, what would happen to the Bengals? You knock out Tom Brady in Week 1, what would happen to the Pats? You knock out Hasslebeck.....

you get it?

You knock out Tommy Maddox in Week 1....oh wait....that's right that team had TALENT.

Carson Palmer argument is weak. He tore his ACL in the playoffs, and he's already back. Just a guess here, but if Palmer, Manning, or Brady came back mid season they'd still be among the top QBs in the NFL.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:17 PM
You knock Manning out in Week 1, what will happen to the Colts? You knock out Carson Palmer in Week 1, what would happen to the Bengals? You knock out Tom Brady in Week 1, what would happen to the Pats? You knock out Hasslebeck.....

you get it?
No they won't. They're the same ones who said that Brad Johnson was a better QB because he had a higher QB rating than McNabb last season.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:18 PM
Let's see....if you take US 59 north I can assure you that eventually you will get to Pennsylvania.


No, you won't. Ever look at a map before? LOL! I love Texas so why would you even say that in the first place?

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 09:18 PM
How do you figure that? Because the Steelers bear the Seachickens in the Superbowl last year? The refs have the trophy in the their office because they are the ones who won that game. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows the Seachickens played better than the Steelers. Come on... get with it. Last year's Superbowl never existed to me.
The NFC is just as good as the AFC at the moment considering the NFC has the two best divisions in football.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
No, you won't. Ever look at a map before? LOL! I love Texas so why would you even say that in the first place?
Yes, It will...I took that route on my way to Erie, PA.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
You knock out Tommy Maddox in Week 1....oh wait....that's right that team had TALENT.

Sooo.... Tommy Maddox was a better QB than Ben Rothlisberger?
Tommy was a stop-gap measure until Ben was ready. His injury only quickened the process, and Big Ben responded.

Carson Palmer argument is weak. He tore his ACL in the playoffs, and he's already back. Just a guess here, but if Palmer, Manning, or Brady came back mid season they'd still be among the top QBs in the NFL.

If they were injured in Week 1 with an injury that most doctors said that they shouldn't be playing with, I'm inclined to think that they would be a little less effective.

Yet still better than David Carr.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 09:21 PM
You knock out Tommy Maddox in Week 1....oh wait....that's right that team had TALENT.


Yes, let's ignore the fact that the Steelers pound the ball. The Eagles offense revolves arouns the pass bud.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:26 PM
That is very misleading. There was a HUGE *(QBs that have played 80 or more games. That is a ton of games and totally rules out some of the best QB's in the NFL.)

Carson Palmer
Big Ben
Tom Brady

These were the first few I looked up and they all have a better winning percentages and are all on teams that are poised to win alot of games this season.

Peyton Manning started 16 games as a rookie and got 14 losses due to his team being HORRIBLE the first year. While McNabb didn't technically start very many games, and the Eagles lost a lot of games that he played in his rookie year, but they didn't hurt his stats because he technically wasn't the starter.

I would say McNabb is around the 4th-7th best QB in the NFL.
Yes, I agree with your main point that Texans fans should not be comparing him to Carr.


Yeah because you cannot really compare those type of numbers until you play a lot of games in the NFL. It would not be right if you didn't. Hell, there are QBs that have only played one play ever and threw for a TD. Are they considered the best QB of all time now? LMAO! No. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR CRYSTAL BALL since you already know the future of these QBs.

Mannings rookie season? What about McNabb's rookie season? LMAO! Look at their record the year before McNabb got there -- 3-13. Yeah, that's right. They were what when he was placed in the starting lineup? 2-7. :rolleyes:

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 09:26 PM
McNabb is a top 3 QB in the NFL, period. Only clueless twits don't consider him among the leagues best players.

McNabb is so far out of Carrs realm it isn't even funny. McNabb is having a Hall Of Fame career.



P. Manning
T. Brady
C. Palmer

Those are my top 3, I think McNabb is a top 5 though. Just my humble opinion.


If McNabb doesn't win a ring....... he doesn't go into the NLF Hall of Fame. Eagles HoF maybe.....

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:27 PM
Yes, let's ignore the fact that the Steelers pound the ball. The Eagles offense revolves arouns the pass bud.

How is it then that a QB from another team that pounds the ball, the Panthers, has similar numbers to one of the "TOP 3 NFL QBs". Seems like the QB in the pass happy offense should have better numbers if he was, indeed, a Top 3 NFL QB. Perhaps he really isn't a Top 3 NFL QB then, and perhaps that's only in the minds of Eagles homers.

He's definately a Top 10 NFL QB, but Top 3 is one helluva stretch.

LBC_Justin
09-05-2006, 09:29 PM
I anything, the bigger sample size for McNabb just makes the argument for him stronger while emphasizing longevity.

1. The sample size of 80 is a very convienent number. Brady has started 79 games. McNabb only has 88. LOL notice on INT % stat box, Tom Brady is included because the results favor McNabb. This is the perfect example of stats being molded to fit an argument.

2. McNabb hasn't played long enough to be the starter when the Eagles have a poor defense or a poor O-line. Peyton Manning, Steve McNair and Brett Farve all have. Which makes their numbers look all the more impressive.

3. Philly has been known for their Defense. A good Defense might have a little impact on a QB's winning percentage, at least that is what my friend Ben Rothlisberger told me. LOL

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:31 PM
You knock out Tommy Maddox in Week 1....oh wait....that's right that team had TALENT.

Carson Palmer argument is weak. He tore his ACL in the playoffs, and he's already back. Just a guess here, but if Palmer, Manning, or Brady came back mid season they'd still be among the top QBs in the NFL.


LMAO! You just do not get it. Carson Palmer argument weak? So if he got hurt this weekend and got taken out for the season, the Bengals will still be a playoff contender? Woah..... okie dokie then. We have a live one here. LOL! Plus, you really think that if these guys did not play until halfway through the season -- that they would still be the Top 3 QBs in the NFL. Wow..... THEY ARE BIONIC... NO.... THEY ARE SUPERMEN! If you really think that those three can throw at least 26 TDs in 8 games and over 4110 yards, no more replying to your posts. :rolleyes:

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 09:31 PM
How is it then that a QB from another team that pounds the ball, the Panthers, has similar numbers to one of the "TOP 3 NFL QBs". Seems like the QB in the pass happy offense should have better numbers if he was, indeed, a Top 3 NFL QB. Perhaps he really isn't a Top 3 NFL QB then, and perhaps that's only in the minds of Eagles homers.

He's definately a Top 10 NFL QB, but Top 3 is one helluva stretch.
I didn't say he was top 3. However he is the fourth best IMHO. Only Manning, Brady and Palmer are better in my eyes.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:32 PM
Yes, It will...I took that route on my way to Erie, PA.


Oh okay. I fly and never drive. Why would you post that to me anyways? Did I ever make it seem like I do not like Texas. Nooooo. I have ever insulted you. Noooo. Geeesh. :rolleyes:

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 09:32 PM
Yes, but the Eagles have a recent history of playoff success to go on, and any twit with 1/2 a brain knows that last year was a result of so many injuries it was comical.

The preseason is for "bubble" players trying to make a team. That's why most starters play one half at the most in a game. Anyone making predictions based on the preseason has absolutely no clue what the NFL is about.
What's a twit??

Philly is going to lose, because philly fans keep saying things like "twit"

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:33 PM
I didn't say he was top 3. However he is the fourth best IMHO. Only Manning, Brady and Palmer are better in my eyes.

Perhaps you should read back a few pages then. That's what this whole thing is about. One of your Eagle faithful made the observation that he was a Top 3 NFL QB. My point was merely to point out that he definately was not. Top 3 in the NFC... sure, but not in the NFL.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:34 PM
Oh okay. I fly and never drive. Why would you post that to me anyways? Did I ever make it seem like I do not like Texas. Nooooo. I have ever insulted you. Noooo. Geeesh. :rolleyes:
Just having some fun.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 09:35 PM
I hope you are saying that the off-field stuff was comical and not the on-field, because Texan fans are the LAST ones who should be talking about comical performances on the field.

Thank you for feeling the same way about TO as us.

If you had any men in your locker room, you never would have had a problem with the Great T.O.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 09:35 PM
1. The sample size of 80 is a very convienent number. Brady has started 79 games. McNabb only has 88. LOL notice on INT % stat box, Tom Brady is included because the results favor McNabb. This is the perfect example of stats being molded to fit an argument.

2. McNabb hasn't played long enough to be the starter when the Eagles have a poor defense or a poor O-line. Peyton Manning, Steve McNair and Brett Farve all have. Which makes their numbers look all the more impressive.

3. Philly has been known for their Defense. A good Defense might have a little impact on a QB's winning percentage, at least that is what my friend Ben Rothlisberger told me. LOL
For the record, I'd take Brady in a heart beat. But any way stop trying to discount what McNabb has done by saying he's had good O line play or good defenses. His winning percentage is astounding no matter what angle you look at it from.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:35 PM
If McNabb doesn't win a ring....... he doesn't go into the NLF Hall of Fame. Eagles HoF maybe.....


Dan Marino does not belong there then? or WARREN MOON?

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:36 PM
What's a twit??

Philly is going to lose, because philly fans keep saying things like "twit"
I don't think that word is on our redneck dictionary.

FlyEaglesFly
09-05-2006, 09:36 PM
Perhaps you should read back a few pages then. That's what this whole thing is about. One of your Eagle faithful made the observation that he was a Top 3 NFL QB. My point was merely to point out that he definately was not. Top 3 in the NFC... sure, but not in the NFL.
So, what? Top 3, top 4, what does it matter? He's an elite QB period.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:37 PM
How is it then that a QB from another team that pounds the ball, the Panthers, has similar numbers to one of the "TOP 3 NFL QBs". Seems like the QB in the pass happy offense should have better numbers if he was, indeed, a Top 3 NFL QB. Perhaps he really isn't a Top 3 NFL QB then, and perhaps that's only in the minds of Eagles homers.

He's definately a Top 10 NFL QB, but Top 3 is one helluva stretch.

Are you talking about last year again? Have you not been reading or paying attention? Delhomme was healthy all year. MCNABB WAS INJURED ALL YEAR. OF course he would have better numbers. Lay off the liquor unless you are sharing.

Rodman91
09-05-2006, 09:38 PM
I think the key the matchup is how well we can bootleg and make the defensive line (the Eagles biggest Strength) a non factor. By rolling out a lot we have the defensive line void and put the pressure on the linebackers and defensive backs to make plays. Linebackers for the Eagles are a little suspect in the passing game and Carr has shown that he is indecisive on the run. This is the greatest questionmark for the Texans. They should be able to run the ball based on the bootleg setup. On defense however, McNabb and Stallworth may still not be on the same page and with Avant and Baskett being rookies, I'm left wonder if our less than stellar secondary can actually contain McNabb with so few weapons.

How easily we forget a team last tried to implement that scheme against the Eagles. It was the 2004 NFC Title Game. Well, we all know how Vick and co. faired against Jevon Kearse and others....

:redtowel:

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:44 PM
LMAO! You just do not get it. Carson Palmer argument weak? So if he got hurt this weekend and got taken out for the season, the Bengals will still be a playoff contender? Woah..... okie dokie then. We have a live one here. LOL! Plus, you really think that if these guys did not play until halfway through the season -- that they would still be the Top 3 QBs in the NFL. Wow..... THEY ARE BIONIC... NO.... THEY ARE SUPERMEN! If you really think that those three can throw at least 26 TDs in 8 games and over 4110 yards, no more replying to your posts. :rolleyes:


Top 3 in QB Rating of course. Manning's lowest QB rating with the exception of his rookie season was 84.1 That's exactly McNabb's career average. Most of his career he's sported 90 plus QB ratings. Given half a season Manning, Palmer, and Brady would all likely put up better numbers than McNabb.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:44 PM
Twit, as defined by Merriam Webster:

Noun - A silly annoying person.

And, once again, the Texas school system lets us all down.
And you guys are calling us twit's? :backsout:

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:45 PM
No it isn't. Read the previous post.

Here's some help. The rest of America tends to recognize the Merriam Webster Dictionary over the "redneck" edition.


I prefer the redneck edition. :chicken: A lot more entertaining.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 09:45 PM
I'ii keep that in mind. Thanks

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 09:45 PM
Wow.... this thread is hilarious. I give some of you Texans fans kudos for knowing what is what and others --- well y'all have some major issues.

Howard had no help when he was with the Saints. Everybody knows that. Come on now. Putting him in there on the Eagles Defense with Kearse is going to be insane. Everybody knows that you need at least one great DE and one decent DE on the ends to even be competitive. One side breaks down, the other one does also. Have you ever even played one down of football in your life? Oh yeah, watch out for McCoy... the guy is one crazy mofo out on the field.


Darren Howard had 11 sacks as a rookie. He played on the same OL as JoeJohnson & LeRoyGlover. He had MarkFields at Linebaker, I believe they were all ProBowlers.

Or did you mean that he had no help last year?? with WillieWhitehead(whose been starting with the Saints since '99. WillSmith(not the rapper), and Charles Grant. Or... could he just not hang??

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:47 PM
I prefer the redneck edition. :chicken: A lot more entertaining.
Harder to understand. Except for the pages that they've colored in already.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:48 PM
So, what? Top 3, top 4, what does it matter? He's an elite QB period.

I don't think he's Top 4 either. I'd say he's right about the 6th or 7th best QB in the NFL.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:51 PM
And you guys are calling us twit's? :backsout:
Well, yeah. I guess I am.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 09:52 PM
Top 3 in QB Rating of course. Manning's lowest QB rating with the exception of his rookie season was 84.1 That's exactly McNabb's career average. Most of his career he's sported 90 plus QB ratings. Given half a season Manning, Palmer, and Brady would all likely put up better numbers than McNabb.


You are missing the point again. QB Ratings do not matter to anyone. They do not look at QB ratings when they put you in the Hall of Fame. They do look at QB ratings to give you player of the week. Let's go with what you are saying then and here what I come up with --- hopefully you will see how mute your point it:

Randel El ---- 158.3
Tomlinson --- 153.1
Jeff Blake --- 129.2
Quinn Gray -- 119.0
C. Portis ---- 118.8


Top 5 QBs right there. :rolleyes:

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 09:52 PM
Hrm, I really thought the word "twit" was primarily a British slang insult. I guess they have a few things worth keeping other then Tea, and Monty Python.

Edit: I just don't see why we are talking about it. That includes me, shut up Riot... ...... ..... must...not ....typ

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 09:59 PM
Hrm, I really thought the word "twit" was primarily a British slang insult. I guess they have a few things worth keeping other then Tea, and Monty Python.

Edit: I just don't see why we are talking about it. That includes me, shut up Riot... ...... ..... must...not ....typ
Don't want to discuss it? Guess what? Don't have to. Keep it movin'

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 09:59 PM
You are missing the point again. QB Ratings do not matter to anyone. They do not look at QB ratings when they put you in the Hall of Fame. They do look at QB ratings to give you player of the week. Let's go with what you are saying then and here what I come up with --- hopefully you will see how mute your point it:

Randel El ---- 158.3
Tomlinson --- 153.1
Jeff Blake --- 129.2
Quinn Gray -- 119.0
C. Portis ---- 118.8


Top 5 QBs right there. :rolleyes:

A mute point? Is that a point without any sound? Since this is the second time you've used this I'll assume you just don't understand the correct word. Understandable as you're an Eagles fan. The word is moot NOT mute. Alright moving on.

You don't like QB ratings do you?

Okay how about passing yards? We'll even use the TO year for McNabb.

There are seven QBs with more passing yards. One of which is a guy from a run heavy offense (Delhomme).
Passing Yards (http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PYDS/2004/regular)

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:00 PM
You are missing the point again. QB Ratings do not matter to anyone. They do not look at QB ratings when they put you in the Hall of Fame. They do look at QB ratings to give you player of the week. Let's go with what you are saying then and here what I come up with --- hopefully you will see how mute your point it:

Randel El ---- 158.3
Tomlinson --- 153.1
Jeff Blake --- 129.2
Quinn Gray -- 119.0
C. Portis ---- 118.8


Top 5 QBs right there. :rolleyes:
Maybe they should trade for Portis and put him under center! It's an upgrade.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Darren Howard had 11 sacks as a rookie. He played on the same OL as JoeJohnson & LeRoyGlover. He had MarkFields at Linebaker, I believe they were all ProBowlers.

Or did you mean that he had no help last year?? with WillieWhitehead(whose been starting with the Saints since '99. WillSmith(not the rapper), and Charles Grant. Or... could he just not hang??


Dayum... forgot about Grant but he did not do that well in the sack department last year... neither did Howard I believe. You got me there though. :crutch: Will Smith is fun to watch.

RiotCommander
09-05-2006, 10:02 PM
As much as I really like McNabb he is going to be in "The Hall of the Really Good". He could turn that all around with a ring on his finger and a few more great years. But if there was a vote right now its no.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
Maybe they should trade for Portis and put him under center! It's an upgrade.


LMAO! Yeah it is.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:04 PM
A mute point? Is that a point without any sound? Since this is the second time you've used this I'll assume you just don't understand the correct word. Understandable as you're an Eagles fan. The word is moot NOT mute. Alright moving on.

You don't like QB ratings do you?

Okay how about passing yards? We'll even use the TO year for McNabb.

There are seven QBs with more passing yards. One of which is a guy from a run heavy offense (Delhomme).
Passing Yards (http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PYDS/2004/regular)
This would be a very compelling argument. Sans the fact that McNabb played one series in the next to last game, and none in the final game.

Next.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 10:05 PM
This would be a very compelling argument. Sans the fact that McNabb played one series in the next to last game, and none in the final game.

Next.
McNabb is a twit.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 10:09 PM
This would be a very compelling argument. Sans the fact that McNabb played one series in the next to last game, and none in the final game.

Next.

Oh so with the last 2 games he would've passed for nearly a 1000 yards? Putting himself past the top 3 in passing yards? Well if he averages 500 yards a game maybe we should put him in the HOF. :rolleyes: But we'd have to forget that Manning played sparingly at the end of the season as well.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:09 PM
This would be a very compelling argument. Sans the fact that McNabb played one series in the next to last game, and none in the final game.

Next.


Yeah, so add at least 500-600 yards there. Plus, look at the TDs and INTs. McNabb was clearly better. Only ones that were better that year were Manning and Culpepper. Culpepper was on FIRE. That was fun to watch.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
McNabb is a twit.

LMAO!!!!!!!! That was funny and very unexpecting.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
McNabb is a twit.
Ah, namecalling.

The answer to "I have nothing smart to say, nor a real compelling argument to add."

You could have done this :tease:
and appeared moer intelligent.

southtexan
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Ah, namecalling.

The answer to "I have nothing smart to say, nor a real compelling argument to add."

You could have done this :tease:
and appeared moer intelligent.
Man, I just learned a new word today. I want it to use it in a sentence.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:14 PM
Oh so with the last 2 games he would've passed for nearly a 1000 yards? Putting himself past the top 3 in passing yards? Well if he averages 500 yards a game maybe we should put him in the HOF. :rolleyes: But we'd have to forget that Manning played sparingly at the end of the season as well.
Actually, if he would have passed for just 200/game (really conservative) in the last two, he would have been 4th behind Jake Plummer, who, by the way, had 27 TD's and 20 INT's compared to 31 TD's and 8 INT's by McNabb.

I'm thinking he could be considered top 3 with those numbers.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 10:16 PM
Actually, if he would have passed for just 200/game (really conservative) in the last two, he would have been 4th behind Jake Plummer, who, by the way, had 27 TD's and 20 INT's compared to 31 TD's and 8 INT's by McNabb.

I'm thinking he could be considered top 3 with those numbers.

In his best season. Has he shown anywhere near that production before or since? I think not.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:18 PM
Let's start small first.
Actually, let's start out with one that most Texans' fans are familiar with:

"And with the first pick in the (Insert any year) NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select.....

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:20 PM
In his best season. Has he shown anywhere near that production before or since? I think not.
Actually, in 9 games last year, he threw for 2507 yards, 16 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions.

Let me repeat: 9 GAMES.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:21 PM
And Texans fans are the ones here not being realistic...?:homer:

Even McNabb wouldn't call himself a top 3 QB in the NFL, and we all know where TO ranks McNabb...probably just below Garcia.

I kid around... I joke a bit.

But in all honesty, McNabb is the best QB in the NFC, and amoung the Top3.

Peyton, Brady, McNabb...... that's the way I see it.

Palmer....... hmm......... Let's see at least 2 good seasons....... two ProBowl seasons before we put him in the upper echelon of QBs. IMHO one of the things that makes a QB a "Top 3" or "Top 10" or whatever, is the ability to do it year after year....... game after game.

& when we see JakeDelhomme win a game without DeshaunFoster, & SteveSmith, we can't put him in that group either. McNabb wins games....... Delhomme doesn't lose them.

Hasselback is close........ top 10 in the NFC easy... but he's balding.....

Bulger...... again, top 10 in the NFC easy......
================================================== =
But, back to bashing the Eagles.

McNabb lost the SuperBowl in 2004. He could've won it, he should've won it. But he didn't. The greatest WR to every grace the NFL had the best game of his life....... but McChoke choked.

AFC Championship game, 2003 & 2002....... McNabb lost those games as well.
He choked........ BrainFarted, Screwed the pooch.........

he is only slightly smarter than Aaron Brooks.

texasguy346
09-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Actually, in 9 games last year, he threw for 2507 yards, 16 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions.

Let me repeat: 9 GAMES.

In 8 games Bulger threw for 2297 yards, 14 TDs, 9 INTs on a bad Rams team. Guess that makes him a top 3 QB too right? Extrapolate that out to 16 games and you get around 4500 yds ~26 TDs. Guess that's not much evidence of McNabb's worthiness to be considered a top 3 QB.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:25 PM
Actually, in 9 games last year, he threw for 2507 yards, 16 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions.

Let me repeat: 9 GAMES.

That's 1 INT per game.... I'd hate knowing that my QB was going to throw 1 INT per game......

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:25 PM
Oh yeah... McNabb joined QBs Dan Marino (twice) and Daunte Culpepper (twice) as one of four QBs since 1970 with multiple 5TD games on their resumes. Did that hurt last year. McNabb also got off to a good start in 2005, and ranked 1st in the NFL in attempts (357), 2nd in completions (211) and passing yards (2,507), and tied for 3rd in passing TDs (16) -- all while playing hurt with a Sports Hernia until he was taken in mid-November. He was especially proficient on third-down attempts in the month of September, completing 66.7 percent (18 of 27) for 330 yards with a 133.3 passer rating (tops in the NFL)... all while hurt. Just cool to think about. Not saying he is the best with those stats but it impressive.

NFL Record Books:

Most Consecutive Passes Completed in NFL History
24 Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia vs. N.Y. Giants (10), Nov. 28, 2004; vs. Green Bay (14), Dec. 5, 2004

And a several more times he is in there.

Did not see Carr's name in there anywhere...... oh... wait.... there it is. Most times sacked in a season... hell.. he is in there twice. LMAO!!!!!!!!

phantom17
09-05-2006, 10:26 PM
I'm a diehard Eagles fan, and there is no such thing as an easy win in the NFL ... especially on opening weekend. Any Eagles fan who doesn't expect the Texans to come out loaded for bear is a fool. The expression we use on the Eagles Message Board (EMB) for a fool who posts on the EMB is a "Tater". We have more Taters than non-Taters on the EMB, so feel free to use that term in your responses to trolling Philadelphia fans who come here.

With that said, I do expect the Eagles will win in the end on Sunday. The key mismatch area between the two teams is along the Line of Scrimmage (LOS). The Eagles D-line is very talented and very deep. All eight DEs and DTs will play substantial minutes, and all eight can bring serious pressure on Carr. The full eight player rotation will mean thet the Texans' O-line will constantly be seeing different looks and will be regularly facing well rested players. Carr is going to be in for a long day. His best option will be to go with 3 step drops and quick throws. If the Texans can establish a running game early, that will help Carr alot. The key question is, can they do that?

On Offense, the biggest Eagles weakness in this game is going to be the inexperience of the Eagles' WRs, but their TEs and Brian Westbrook should give Donovan McNabb plenty of non-WR targets on each passing play.

The battle between the Texans' D-line and the Eagles' O-line for control of the LOS during running plays will be key. The 2005 Eagles made no commitment to the running game, but if the Eagles are going to be successful in 2006, they will need to run in at least 45% of their offensive snaps. Westbrrok, Buckhalter and Moats are going to need to be patient and use the blocking of the Eagles' O-line to pound out a running game. The Texans are going to need to take that running game away by stuffing the running lanes. That will only happen if the Texans' D-line neutralizes the Eagles blockers and the LBs and SS come up and plug the resultant gaps. My question to you Texans fans is, "can the Texans' D accomplish that?" If they can't I think it is going to be a long afternoon for y'all.

Thoughts?







:listening :neener: : :ninja: ::yawn:

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:27 PM
No they won't. They're the same ones who said that Brad Johnson was a better QB because he had a higher QB rating than McNabb last season.

I thought we said Brad Johnson was better because he had a SuperBowl Ring.......:stirpot:

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:27 PM
Actually, in 9 games last year, he threw for 2507 yards, 16 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions.

Let me repeat: 9 GAMES.


And with a sports hernia all that time. Even Brett Favre's lover Madden said he was nuts. lol

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:29 PM
I kid around... I joke a bit.

But in all honesty, McNabb is the best QB in the NFC, and amoung the Top3.

Peyton, Brady, McNabb...... that's the way I see it.

Palmer....... hmm......... Let's see at least 2 good seasons....... two ProBowl seasons before we put him in the upper echelon of QBs. IMHO one of the things that makes a QB a "Top 3" or "Top 10" or whatever, is the ability to do it year after year....... game after game.

& when we see JakeDelhomme win a game without DeshaunFoster, & SteveSmith, we can't put him in that group either. McNabb wins games....... Delhomme doesn't lose them.

Hasselback is close........ top 10 in the NFC easy... but he's balding.....

Bulger...... again, top 10 in the NFC easy......
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But, back to bashing the Eagles.

McNabb lost the SuperBowl in 2004. He could've won it, he should've won it. But he didn't. The greatest WR to every grace the NFL had the best game of his life....... but McChoke choked.

AFC Championship game, 2003 & 2002....... McNabb lost those games as well.
He choked........ BrainFarted, Screwed the pooch.........

he is only slightly smarter than Aaron Brooks.

LMAO!!!! I knew that all had to end. Yeah, back to the trash talking. :hides: You would not put Bulger in the Top 5 in the NFC?

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:29 PM
Yes, let's ignore the fact that the Steelers pound the ball. The Eagles offense revolves arouns the pass bud.

There's a difference in "revolving around the pass" & not being able to run the ball. The Eagles fall into the later category.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:30 PM
That's 1 INT per game.... I'd hate knowing that my QB was going to throw 1 INT per game......
David Carr 2005:

16 Games

2488 yards (156 yds/game - OUCH!!!)
14 TD's - 11 INT's - Nearly 1-1 (Double OUCH!!!)
QB Rating (Since that seems to be most important thing to most people here) - 77.2

I'd hate to know that my QB was named David Carr.

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 10:31 PM
It's weird how this thread started out talking about reason's each team would win. Yet what I see is everybody making comparisons. Our DL is better then yours, our QB is way better than yours. Your QB couldn't hold our QB's jockstrap. I'm surprised nobody's come out and laid it out with my mascot can kick your mascot's ass. (Which by the way Toro can kick your mascot's ass. There I did it.) Okay being serious though I'm gonna try to break this thing down for the Texans as how I haven't gotten around to watching the Eagles preseason yet.

Texans O vs. Eagles D. The Eagles D is very good and very aggressive, it is the latter that will lead to their downfall. It is true that we are implementing the ZBS and that will help our running game, but Trotter is excellent againts the run, but the key to the ZBS is taking advantage of the D's aggressiveness to open up holes. Once the d- moves a certain direction is is our line's job to stretch the field this is how our holes become open. Already I see a weakness to exploit in the Eagles D. Kearse and Howard always rush upfield to get to the QB so stretching them should not present a problem. Trotter and the DT's will be key for our running game. However I don't think we'll gash the Eagles with our running, but we'll have a solid rushing performance.

Many of you say don't put stock into the pre-season, but some things carry over to the regular season. One of our big plays came from a TE screen to Putzier the Eagles D is very susceptible to this. Watching the Denver game I saw a ton of variations of the screen pass. To FB's TB's and TE's I'm sure the Eagles will try to prepare for them, yet because of their aggressive nature I think these plays will cause the most damage. This will affect the safety and LB play. The Eagles will have to adjust to keep from being ripped open by our screens this will minimize their effectiveness in coverage allowing our passing game to breathe easier. Also while Trotter is great against the run he is still a liability in coverage so I see some passes being completed up the middle. I don't think they will really hurt the Eagles, but it should help to keep them honest.

I don't expect to see to many bootlegs in this game. Kearse and Howard are simply to quick off the edge and our tackles won't be quick enough to push them inside. I'm sure we'll try bootlegging once in a great while to try to catch them off-guard, but I just can't see the boot-leg being too effective against the Eagles D.

This game is gonna present a great challenge to the Eagles, because what the Texans are actually good at is what the Defense will have problems with. Screens this will be key in the game.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 10:33 PM
That's 1 INT per game.... I'd hate knowing that my QB was going to throw 1 INT per game......


He's still at:

2,943 Pass attempts with 66 INTs.... 2.24 percentage and leads the NFL (active QBs). 2nd lowest of ALL-TIME.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:38 PM
It's weird how this thread started out talking about reason's each team would win. Yet what I see is everybody making comparisons. Our DL is better then yours, our QB is way better than yours. Your QB couldn't hold our QB's jockstrap. I'm surprised nobody's come out and laid it out with my mascot can kick your mascot's ass. (Which by the way Toro can kick your mascot's ass. There I did it.) Okay being serious though I'm gonna try to break this thing down for the Texans as how I haven't gotten around to watching the Eagles preseason yet.

Texans O vs. Eagles D. The Eagles D is very good and very aggressive, it is the latter that will lead to their downfall. It is true that we are implementing the ZBS and that will help our running game, but Trotter is excellent againts the run, but the key to the ZBS is taking advantage of the D's aggressiveness to open up holes. Once the d- moves a certain direction is is our line's job to stretch the field this is how our holes become open. Already I see a weakness to exploit in the Eagles D. Kearse and Howard always rush upfield to get to the QB so stretching them should not present a problem. Trotter and the DT's will be key for our running game. However I don't think we'll gash the Eagles with our running, but we'll have a solid rushing performance.

Many of you say don't put stock into the pre-season, but some things carry over to the regular season. One of our big plays came from a TE screen to Putzier the Eagles D is very susceptible to this. Watching the Denver game I saw a ton of variations of the screen pass. To FB's TB's and TE's I'm sure the Eagles will try to prepare for them, yet because of their aggressive nature I think these plays will cause the most damage. This will affect the safety and LB play. The Eagles will have to adjust to keep from being ripped open by our screens this will minimize their effectiveness in coverage allowing our passing game to breathe easier. Also while Trotter is great against the run he is still a liability in coverage so I see some passes being completed up the middle. I don't think they will really hurt the Eagles, but it should help to keep them honest.

I don't expect to see to many bootlegs in this game. Kearse and Howard are simply to quick off the edge and our tackles won't be quick enough to push them inside. I'm sure we'll try bootlegging once in a great while to try to catch them off-guard, but I just can't see the boot-leg being too effective against the Eagles D.

This game is gonna present a great challenge to the Eagles, because what the Texans are actually good at is what the Defense will have problems with. Screens this will be key in the game.

Would be valid. Except the Eagles, by far, run more screens on offense than any other team in the NFL. I'm thinking that their defense has seen it once or twice in practice, and the offensive and defensive coaches actually talk about this to each other.

What else?

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 10:45 PM
Eagles O vs. Texans D. I hate admitting this, but McNabb's skills at spreading the ball is really gonna hurt. That being said McNabb's unfamiliarity with Stallworth should play a part in the game. That being said I think our secondary will step up and make it harder to find the open receiver. The key matchups here will be up front though. Williams, and I don't care what anybody says, get's a great push upfield and while he has not had great success disengaging I can see the Eagles putting their TE on him on quite a few plays taking an option away from their passing game. I don't think the Eagles line is that great, I think McNabb bails them out of a lot of situations and I see Peek and Babin playing alot in this game because Philly is known as a passing team so they will treat a majority of down's as pass down and put alot of pressure on McNabb. The thing I think will give the Eagles the most trouble is that they don't know what we will throw at them. First Mario can drop into coverage, there aren't alot of DE's, strike that there's only one other DE that I've seen do that in the NFL so this alone will be an added dimension on our D. However our biggest difference maker will be the 3-4 we only played one down in this front during the pre-season so the Eagles aren't familiar with how we will run that scheme. Hell, I'm not familiar with how we will run that front so McNabb will not know what to expect, this is something that will really put the Eagles in a disadvantage. Unfamiliarity with our Defense will be a key this game as well.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:47 PM
Dan Marino does not belong there then? or WARREN MOON?

Big difference between Marino & Moon.

Marino avg'd over 3800 yards/year for 16 years. McNabb is avg'ing 2700 right now, over 7 years.

Moon avg'd over 2900 yards/year for a 17 year career, while only playing 3 games in the final 2 years of that 17 year career.

Marino & Moon were both leaders of their teams......... McNabb is barely a cheerleader.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:48 PM
Eagles O vs. Texans D. I hate admitting this, but McNabb's skills at spreading the ball is really gonna hurt. That being said McNabb's unfamiliarity with Stallworth should play a part in the game. That being said I think our secondary will step up and make it harder to find the open receiver. The key matchups here will be up front though. Williams, and I don't care what anybody says, get's a great push upfield and while he has not had great success disengaging I can see the Eagles putting their TE on him on quite a few plays taking an option away from their passing game. I don't think the Eagles line is that great, I think McNabb bails them out of a lot of situations and I see Peek and Babin playing alot in this game because Philly is known as a passing team so they will treat a majority of down's as pass down and put alot of pressure on McNabb. The thing I think will give the Eagles the most trouble is that they don't know what we will throw at them. First Mario can drop into coverage, there aren't alot of DE's, strike that there's only one other DE that I've seen do that in the NFL so this alone will be an added dimension on our D. However our biggest difference maker will be the 3-4 we only played one down in this front during the pre-season so the Eagles aren't familiar with how we will run that scheme. Hell, I'm not familiar with how we will run that front so McNabb will not know what to expect, this is something that will really put the Eagles in a disadvantage. Unfamiliarity with our Defense will be a key this game as well.

So from your points, anyone outside of the NFC East will give the Eagles trouble because they are not familiar with them?

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 10:53 PM
Would be valid. Except the Eagles, by far, run more screens on offense than any other team in the NFL. I'm thinking that their defense has seen it once or twice in practice, and the offensive and defensive coaches actually talk about this to each other.

What else?

I don't know what screens the Eagles run, but I would imagine their variations are different then ours. This is a strategic game. The screens I've seen the Texans run have different options. The screen to Putzier had two screen options Putzier was not the first option. Even if the Eagles talk about it when their on the field will they be able to read our play, will they play the screen. If they do that takes away from their aggressiveness, because if you guard the screen then the running game can open up. That is the whole point of establishing the run. Even if not effective it makes them stay aggressive against the run. If they let up against the run that's when the run will hurt them.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:53 PM
Big difference between Marino & Moon.

Marino avg'd over 3800 yards/year for 16 years. McNabb is avg'ing 2700 right now, over 7 years.

Moon avg'd over 2900 yards/year for a 17 year career, while only playing 3 games in the final 2 years of that 17 year career.

Marino & Moon were both leaders of their teams......... McNabb is barely a cheerleader.

2700 yards over 17 years = 45,900 yards.

Good enough?

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:54 PM
LMAO!!!! I knew that all had to end. Yeah, back to the trash talking. :hides: You would not put Bulger in the Top 5 in the NFC?

Maybe..... I say top 10 easy, because I don't generally think best in the NFC, or Best in the AFC........ that's lame to say out of 16 QBs, I'm in the top 10...

So I say top 10, knowing it doesn't mean much..... not thinking about it too much.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 10:55 PM
I don't know what screens the Eagles run, but I would imagine their variations are different then ours. This is a strategic game. The screens I've seen the Texans run have different options. The screen to Putzier had two screen options Putzier was not the first option. Even if the Eagles talk about it when their on the field will they be able to read our play, will they play the screen. If they do that takes away from their aggressiveness, because if you guard the screen then the running game can open up. That is the whole point of establishing the run. Even if not effective it makes them stay aggressive against the run. If they let up against the run that's when the run will hurt them.

Oh yes. The vaunted Texans running game.

With Dominick Da.....

Wait.

DallasTX_EaglesFan
09-05-2006, 10:55 PM
Check it out. The Eagles have never lost to a Houston team. Ever.

1972 - Eagles 18 Oilers 17

1979 - Eagles 26 Oilers 20

1982 - Eagles 35 Oilers 14

1988 - Eagles 32 Oilers 23

1991 - Eagles 13 Oilers 6 (House of Pain game)

1994 - Eagles 21 Oilers 6

2002 - Eagles 35 Texans 17

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 10:59 PM
2700 yards over 17 years = 45,900 yards.

Good enough?

Let's see him play for 17 years before we fit him for that gold Jacket :ok:

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 10:59 PM
So from your points, anyone outside of the NFC East will give the Eagles trouble because they are not familiar with them?

WRONG!!! Think about it. How much game film of our team do the Eagles have? Pre-season. Is it customary to run all your plays in defense? NO! So you know what that means first game of the season there is simply no way the Eagles will know everything we will run. Most other teams you can look at films of past seasons and know what they run, because you have a large source of information to draw upon. However this is the first game of the season they don't have a single real game to break us down on yet. It's not like they can go on what we did last season. Any game, you prepare by watching film, there is no real film to watch on our team. That'll change as the season progress and other teams study our REGULAR season games, but it's just logical the Eagles don't know what they're gonna really face.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:00 PM
Let's see him play for 17 years before we fit him for that gold Jacket :ok:
You can see him Sunday, at his best. Live and up close.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:02 PM
WRONG!!! Think about it. How much game film of our team do the Eagles have? Pre-season. Is it customary to run all your plays in defense? NO! So you know what that means first game of the season there is simply no way the Eagles will know everything we will run. Most other teams you can look at films of past seasons and know what they run, because you have a large source of information to draw upon. However this is the first game of the season they don't have a single real game to break us down on yet. It's not like they can go on what we did last season. Any game, you prepare by watching film, there is no real film to watch on our team. That'll change as the season progress and other teams study our REGULAR season games, but it's just logical the Eagles don't know what they're gonna really face.

So...

This would hold true for the Texans as well?

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 11:03 PM
Oh yes. The vaunted Texans running game.

With Dominick Da.....

Wait.

Funny, it'll be even funnier after we hurt your rush D ranking.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:04 PM
Hey, Eagles Fan!

Tell Jabar Gaffney to bring his A-Game this Sunday. Oh, wait a second...he was cut. My bad.

Great job by your scouts! Keep up the great work.

:tease:

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles
09-05-2006, 11:05 PM
WRONG!!! Think about it. How much game film of our team do the Eagles have? Pre-season. Is it customary to run all your plays in defense? NO! So you know what that means first game of the season there is simply no way the Eagles will know everything we will run. Most other teams you can look at films of past seasons and know what they run, because you have a large source of information to draw upon. However this is the first game of the season they don't have a single real game to break us down on yet. It's not like they can go on what we did last season. Any game, you prepare by watching film, there is no real film to watch on our team. That'll change as the season progress and other teams study our REGULAR season games, but it's just logical the Eagles don't know what they're gonna really face.

They have ways of getting around that...especially since the system they are implementing is the same as Denver's...how about looking at some Denver tape from last year to get an idea of Kubiak's blocking schemes and game plans? Also, I love how all of you Texan fans think that the Texans will be able to implement this blocking scheme and new offense perfectly in its first regular season game. As with all systems, it takes some time to get a new system down. I'm not saying it will be an easy game for the Eagles, but I'm looking for a decent amount of misreads, missed assignments, and broken off patterns by the Texans leading to a number of mistakes and some turnovers.

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 11:05 PM
So...

This would hold true for the Texans as well?

Gee, Andy Reid has been in Philly for how long now? Is he suddenly going to implement a brand new offensive scheme? No, we got tons of film we can review to get ready for your schemes, because you're still running the same scheme from all those years.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:07 PM
So...

This would hold true for the Texans as well?

Nope. Andy Reid has been your coach for a loooooooong time. We'll just watch last year's tapes of all your games. You have zero film on Kubiak as a head coach. I guess you can watch some of the old Broncos footage when Kubiak was there, but Kubiak's smart enough to throw in a lot of wrinkles to the gameplan that he might not have been able to utilize under Shanahan's system.

I must admit: It'll be a great game, but I think we have the edge with the hunger to prove people wrong.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:09 PM
Hey, Eagles Fan!

Tell Jabar Gaffney to bring his A-Game this Sunday. Oh, wait a second...he was cut. My bad.

Great job by your scouts! Keep up the great work.

:tease:

Seeing that he was the #2 WR in Houston last year....

Your #2 couldn't even make it in Philly.

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 11:10 PM
They have ways of getting around that...especially since the system they are implementing is the same as Denver's...how about looking at some Denver tape from last year to get an idea of Kubiak's blocking schemes and game plans? Also, I love how all of you Texan fans think that the Texans will be able to implement this blocking scheme and new offense perfectly in its first regular season game. As with all systems, it takes some time to get a new system down. I'm not saying it will be an easy game for the Eagles, but I'm looking for a decent amount of misreads, missed assignments, and broken off patterns by the Texans leading to a number of mistakes and some turnovers.

Are you serious? Did you see our game against Denver. Our game and schemes have tons of variation from the Denver game plan. I guess that's an advantage to us though, that you think you're playing the Broncos. I'm sure we'll make some mistakes, but I'm sure they'll have their game together.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:11 PM
They have ways of getting around that...especially since the system they are implementing is the same as Denver's...how about looking at some Denver tape from last year to get an idea of Kubiak's blocking schemes and game plans? Also, I love how all of you Texan fans think that the Texans will be able to implement this blocking scheme and new offense perfectly in its first regular season game. As with all systems, it takes some time to get a new system down. I'm not saying it will be an easy game for the Eagles, but I'm looking for a decent amount of misreads, missed assignments, and broken off patterns by the Texans leading to a number of mistakes and some turnovers.

An interesting note: I think our team, in this preseason, has been highly efficient and has had few turnovers compared to the teams we have faced. The ratio is looking beter for us than it has for our opponents. One of the things that has been 100% better this preseason is the turnover ratio for our team: We've turned it over very few times, and we have forced a lot of turnovers which we did NOT do well all season last year.

One of Kubiak's skills has been in making our team understand that stupid penalties and turnovers will cost us the game, and those have been wayyyyy down. I don;t have to look at the actual stats...I follow this team close enough to tell you FOR SURE that we will not be turning the ball over like we did last year.

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 11:12 PM
Seeing that he was the #2 WR in Houston last year....

Your #2 couldn't even make it in Philly.

Didn't make it back here either. So what's your point, this ain't last yr.'s team.

blockhead83
09-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Just saw the sportsnation poll over at ESPN, roughly ~85% of the voting populace is predicting an Eagles win. That would make an upset all the much sweeter.

As far as us adopting a new scheme, running into lots of broken plays and misreads etc... that's really a minimal concern. There's so much roster attrition in today's NFL that you'll always have players playing in and learning a new scheme every year. We've been practicing these plays under this scheme for months now and should be able to make a largely accomplished appearance this Sunday. Most miscues should be placed largely on Car....err the players shoulders, not the inexperience in the new scheme.

Here's to a good game.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Nope. Andy Reid has been your coach for a loooooooong time. We'll just watch last year's tapes of all your games. You have zero film on Kubiak as a head coach. I guess you can watch some of the old Broncos footage when Kubiak was there, but Kubiak's smart enough to throw in a lot of wrinkles to the gameplan that he might not have been able to utilize under Shanahan's system.

I must admit: It'll be a great game, but I think we have the edge with the hunger to prove people wrong.

Yes. Because, as anyone who's ever seen a game knows that hunger is what wins in the NFL. And the Eagles aren't hungry at all.

FYI - I don't care how many times you change coaches in Houston. No O-Line + Bad QB play doesn't make much of a difference.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:14 PM
Didn't make it back here either. So what's your point, this ain't last yr.'s team.
Just using Texans logic.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Seeing that he was the #2 WR in Houston last year....

Your #2 couldn't even make it in Philly.

And YOUR team was dumb enough to take him? That makes your team look even worse. I thought you guys were the cream of the crop? And you take a guy WE cut loose? Tsk, tsk. I thought you guys had higher standards.

All you need to know is this: Gaffney, Bradford (with the Lions, now), etc., were all "Dom Capers guys," and we all, as fans, could see that it was a bad fit.

You don;t have that luxury now. You're facing a whole new team, an honest-to-goodness contender. I couldn't say that the past four years. You would have come in here, talked your smack, and I would have mumbled under my breath, "Yep. You're right." Not now. I admit we might lose, but it won;t be a laugher that I think you guys think it will.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Great job by your scouts! Keep up the great work.

:tease:

Yes because the Texans' scouting system is much better!

Seeing they chose the best player available in the draft in Reggie Bu....

What was that?

dat_boy_yec
09-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Yes. Because, as anyone who's ever seen a game knows that hunger is what wins in the NFL. And the Eagles aren't hungry at all.

FYI - I don't care how many times you change coaches in Houston. No O-Line + Bad QB play doesn't make much of a difference.

Interesting you bring that up. How many sacks has your O-line given up. Last I checked you had 12.5 Sacks compared to our what was it? FOUR.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 11:18 PM
Oh yeah my fellow Eagles fans, do not start thinking this is going to be a blow out and such. Texans will fight hard in this game and they play good teams very well. Trust me on this one. There is no such thing as a sure win. Anything can happen. Yes, the Eagles are better on paper but on any given Sunday.... anything can happen. The Texans will be tough.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:19 PM
You don;t have that luxury now. You're facing a whole new team, an honest-to-goodness contender. I couldn't say that the past four years. You would have come in here, talked your smack, and I would have mumbled under my breath, "Yep. You're right." Not now. I admit we might lose, but it won;t be a laugher that I think you guys think it will.

We know you're a contender.

Each year, you contend for that #1 draft pick.

FYI - No one said anything about a laugher. A win in the NFL is a win.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:24 PM
Yes. Because, as anyone who's ever seen a game knows that hunger is what wins in the NFL. And the Eagles aren't hungry at all.

FYI - I don't care how many times you change coaches in Houston. No O-Line + Bad QB play doesn't make much of a difference.

That Eagles team is NOT hungry. Well, maybe for Campbell's Chunky Soup...but that's it. They are "maintaining" and coasting. Trying to ride the coattails of their previous successes. I don;t see much of anything new in that team except taking on another head case WR in Donte Stallworth.

Andy's losing control, mental control of his team. He came in and righted a ship that was sinking. He did a great job. But the Eagles have flattened out, they are (in my opinion) not a real factor anymore. Donovan can sometimes will them to a victory, but it's getting to be a rarity.

They got away from running the ball last year. Donovan is STILL angry and bitter about T.O., and you can tell he really hasn't let it go yet...he still makes comments and he still chooses to address it when asked by a reporter. He's a class guy, don't get me wrong, but that T.O. situation really wrecked him and his focus. He "used to be" the guy who had fun, who was just playing a game. Now, he's trying to prove something. Too much pressure.

You guys are struggling to find WRs...even Joe Horn said "I like Donte, but he was just not getting it done here. If Philly can get him to do something, it would be a miracle. I guess it can happen. We'll see." I mean, for a guy to dog a teammate like that, on his way out, is a BIG indicator that the Eagles are ONCE AGAIN taking on another head case like they did with T.O.

Sorry, the Eagles are old news. The Giants and Cowboys are clearly better than your team. You will likely beat out Washington this year, but that's it.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:24 PM
Interesting you bring that up. How many sacks has your O-line given up. Last I checked you had 12.5 Sacks compared to our what was it? FOUR.

Again, what is it with these preseason stats?

See, folks. This is what I'm talking about. When players who aren't even on the roster today screw up, you want to use it to boost your argument.

OK. You want preseason stats? McNabb was sacked once in the preseason.

Juqua Thomas, our #4 DE, led the league in sacks.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Yes because the Texans' scouting system is much better!

Seeing they chose the best player available in the draft in Reggie Bu....

What was that?

You follow no other team but your own. You are going to find that the guys on this board, and the ladies on this board, too, are true fans of the game and not just our own team. Visitors consistently tell us that we have a pretty good grasp on all things NFL. Not bragging, but I am saying that you are not running into a place here where people make neat avatars and can only crack out the "Yeah, $%^#!@ we are going to kick some butt this weekend. WE RULE!!!!!!!!!!" I have been to other boards, and I see 3rd-grade conversations. Not here. A visitor quickly sees that we're not just about the smack talk. We can bring the heat with serious debate, too.

Here's a quick tutorial to get you up-to-speed on what THIS YEAR's Texans team looks like:

Wali Lundy, 6th Round pick gets 59 or 60 yds and a TD in 1st pre-season game against the Chiefs.

Reggie Bush, 2nd pick overall, gets 59 or 60 yds. and no TD on same amount of carries (and their receiving yds. were identical, too).

Same results. Less money. AND, we got a freak of nature who will last longer than Reggie due to the career lifespan of RBs vs. DEs. AND, dominant teams have dominant DEs (Panthers, for example). A dominant DE makes the entire team better.

Kubiak's system affords the owner of a team to spend his money elsewhere rather than on the superstar running back. The zone blocking scheme for the Texans provides late-round guys like Terrell Davis the fortune of becoming just as big of a producer as the Reggie Bush's pf the world.

We made the right choice for what we're trying to accomplish: Stop the Colts.

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 11:29 PM
You can see him Sunday, at his best. Live and up close.

I'm in section 608, Row P............. it'll be Live, but no very up close.........:wild:

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 11:34 PM
Mario Williams was the right pick for the Texans... at the time.

flylikeaneagle
09-05-2006, 11:35 PM
I'm in section 608, Row P............. it'll be Live, but no very up close.........:wild:


Me too. Cannot wait. Section 5-something-something.....

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:36 PM
That Eagles team is NOT hungry. Well, maybe for Campbell's Chunky Soup...but that's it. They are "maintaining" and coasting. Trying to ride the coattails of their previous successes. I don;t see much of anything new in that team except taking on another head case WR in Donte Stallworth.

Yes, because they don't want to prove that last season was a fluke. So they are maintaining. And surely you'd want to go in and completely overhaul the core of a team that took you to 4 straight NFC Championship Games because that's how you improve.

Andy's losing control, mental control of his team. He came in and righted a ship that was sinking. He did a great job. But the Eagles have flattened out, they are (in my opinion) not a real factor anymore. Donovan can sometimes will them to a victory, but it's getting to be a rarity.

He got rid of the team's problems from last year. Flattened out? Explain.

They got away from running the ball last year.

With your top 2 RB on Injured Reserve, it tends to happen

Donovan is STILL angry and bitter about T.O., and you can tell he really hasn't let it go yet...he still makes comments and he still chooses to address it when asked by a reporter.

If you're asked a question, don't you usually answer it? Stupid argument

He's a class guy, don't get me wrong, but that T.O. situation really wrecked him and his focus. He "used to be" the guy who had fun, who was just playing a game. Now, he's trying to prove something. Too much pressure.

Should have been at training camp this year. Same ole' Donovan!

You guys are struggling to find WRs...even Joe Horn said "I like Donte, but he was just not getting it done here. If Philly can get him to do something, it would be a miracle. I guess it can happen. We'll see." I mean, for a guy to dog a teammate like that, on his way out, is a BIG indicator that the Eagles are ONCE AGAIN taking on another head case like they did with T.O.

I'm not sure what kind of head case he was. Except the fact that he was tired of losing. Donte Stallworth and Reggie Brown? I'm fine with that. Brian Westbrook coming out of the backfield, and L.J. Smith at TE? I think we're find at receiver. As for Joe Horn, I'm assuming that he would like to be the one "upgrading" to a new team. Anyone who bashes a former teammate on his way out, you have to question his motive.

Sorry, the Eagles are old news. The Giants and Cowboys are clearly better than your team. You will likely beat out Washington this year, but that's it.

The Giants are competitive. The Cowboys are just another production of ESPN. The same way they kept picking Indianapolis to beat New England in the playoffs in 2003 and 2004

09/10/2006

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 11:40 PM
Interesting you bring that up. How many sacks has your O-line given up. Last I checked you had 12.5 Sacks compared to our what was it? FOUR.


Again, what is it with these preseason stats?

See, folks. This is what I'm talking about. When players who aren't even on the roster today screw up, you want to use it to boost your argument.

OK. You want preseason stats? McNabb was sacked once in the preseason.

Juqua Thomas, our #4 DE, led the league in sacks.

It also shows me that Phillies OL isn't & hasn't been much better than ours. IF it were, then you wouldn't see McNabb running around the backfield for 16 seconds before finding an open reciever.

McNabbs Mobility helps the Oline stats.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:43 PM
You follow no other team but your own. You are going to find that the guys on this board, and the ladies on this board, too, are true fans of the game and not just our own team. Visitors consistently tell us that we have a pretty good grasp on all things NFL. Not bragging, but I am saying that you are not running into a place here where people make neat avatars and can only crack out the "Yeah, $%^#!@ we are going to kick some butt this weekend. WE RULE!!!!!!!!!!" I have been to other boards, and I see 3rd-grade conversations. Not here. A visitor quickly sees that we're not just about the smack talk. We can bring the heat with serious debate, too.

Here's a quick tutorial to get you up-to-speed on what THIS YEAR's Texans team looks like:

Wali Lundy, 6th Round pick gets 59 or 60 yds and a TD in 1st pre-season game against the Chiefs.

Reggie Bush, 2nd pick overall, gets 59 or 60 yds. and no TD on same amount of carries (and their receiving yds. were identical, too).

Same results. Less money. AND, we got a freak of nature who will last longer than Reggie due to the career lifespan of RBs vs. DEs. AND, dominant teams have dominant DEs (Panthers, for example). A dominant DE makes the entire team better.

Kubiak's system affords the owner of a team to spend his money elsewhere rather than on the superstar running back. The zone blocking scheme for the Texans provides late-round guys like Terrell Davis the fortune of becoming just as big of a producer as the Reggie Bush's pf the world.

We made the right choice for what we're trying to accomplish: Stop the Colts.
Actually, I follow the entire league very closely. I can see outside of my team, unlike most on this board.

Preseason? Preseason? Please stop the preseason argument. Anyone can clearly see that a team that needs upgrading at every (and I mean every) position would naturally take the best available player. No, not the Texans.

One thing that fails to get noticed about Kubiak's system is that you have to have talent across the offensive line for it to work. It may be true that you can plug any RB in there and get 1,000 yards, but if you've got crap up front, it doesn't work.

It's going to take a lot more than a 2nd rate rookie DE to stop the Colts. Start with prayer and poisoning their pre-game meal.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:45 PM
We put our top guy on I.R. and didn't even sweat it. Seriously. We were sad for Domanick because he has been a great player, but you should see the talk around here (and it isn't "denial"). We see the results already: We can put less-known guys in at RB and get the same results every time.

How so? Because we have a blocking system that makes winners out of most anybody. Denver consistently puts in no-name guys..guys who were NEVER on any other team's draft boards...and they crank out the yards and TDs.

Heck, they even let two guys swap carries and they STILL produce.

I'm sorry your team doesn't have a modern blocking scheme that allows you to plug-and-play any number of running backs. Must stink to have the whole weight of the running game resting on two guys' shoulders. How smart is that? "Uh oh. Our running backs are gone. Well, I guess that's it, isn't it? Better start throwing the ball now. Can't wait until next year to get those guys back. THEN we'll be back in first place."

And the Cowboys are NOT a production of ESPN. I hate them, but I cannot lie: Their backup QB (Romo) was having no problem working with the talent around him: That team will battle the Giants for the top place in the NFC East.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:47 PM
It also shows me that Phillies OL isn't & hasn't been much better than ours. IF it were, then you wouldn't see McNabb running around the backfield for 16 seconds before finding an open reciever.

McNabbs Mobility helps the Oline stats.

Yes, because Philly gave up 68 sacks a year ago, and McNabb has been sacked more than any other QB in the league since coming in.

Oh wait.

Green Bird
09-05-2006, 11:49 PM
We put our top guy on I.R. and didn't even sweat it. Seriously. We were sad for Domanick because he has been a great player, but you should see the talk around here (and it isn't "denial"). We see the results already: We can put less-known guys in at RB and get the same results every time.

How so? Because we have a blocking system that makes winners out of most anybody. Denver consistently puts in no-name guys..guys who were NEVER on any other team's draft boards...and they crank out the yards and TDs.

Heck, they even let two guys swap carries and they STILL produce.

I'm sorry your team doesn't have a modern blocking scheme that allows you to plug-and-play any number of running backs. Must stink to have the whole weight of the running game resting on two guys' shoulders. How smart is that? "Uh oh. Our running backs are gone. Well, I guess that's it, isn't it? Better start throwing the ball now. Can't wait until next year to get those guys back. THEN we'll be back in first place."

And the Cowboys are NOT a production of ESPN. I hate them, but I cannot lie: Their backup QB (Romo) was having no problem working with the talent around him: That team will battle the Giants for the top place in the NFC East.

See what I'm talking about folks? This is the kind of talk that makes you guys the punchline in the NFL. You can have a modern blocking scheme, or a futuristic blocking scheme. You still need the talent, which you don't have.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:50 PM
Actually, I follow the entire league very closely. I can see outside of my team, unlike most on this board.

Preseason? Preseason? Please stop the preseason argument. Anyone can clearly see that a team that needs upgrading at every (and I mean every) position would naturally take the best available player. No, not the Texans.

One thing that fails to get noticed about Kubiak's system is that you have to have talent across the offensive line for it to work. It may be true that you can plug any RB in there and get 1,000 yards, but if you've got crap up front, it doesn't work.
It's going to take a lot more than a 2nd rate rookie DE to stop the Colts. Start with prayer and poisoning their pre-game meal.

You follow teams closely, and you repeat the same outdated information that ESPN feeds you? Shame on you.

We no longer have a bad o-line. You're pulling out last year's soundbites. We have a true Center in Flanagan, a guy who is known to be a field general in the huddle. We shuffled guys around all year last year, playing a guy at center that admittingly didn't even remotely come close to playing center. We have a LT in Charles Spencer who has been BLASTING first string competition. We have tight ends who chip block, mis-direct, and get the ball up the seam (which we've never had). We have bootlegs that threw the Chiefs all over the field and opened up passing lanes like crazy. We have a deefnse that is going to better than yours. Bank on it.

Our o-line is not the same. Not by a mile. You haven't done your homework, but that's OK: You'd make a great a reporter. They still have us playing a 3-4 defense. Oh, did you think we were running a 3-4, too? Sorry. We are now in a 4-3 where we are forcing turnovers, getting sacks, and pressuring other teams' first-string QBs to make bad throws.

Yeah, you know our team realllllllly well.

GP
09-05-2006, 11:54 PM
See what I'm talking about folks? This is the kind of talk that makes you guys the punchline in the NFL. You can have a modern blocking scheme, or a futuristic blocking scheme. You still need the talent, which you don't have.

Yeah, where's Jabar Gaffney when you need him?

Oh, that's right: The Eagles have spotted that "great talent" and signed him up "quickly" so no other team could steal him away from the all-knowing and all-seeing Eagles management.

The sign of a truly desperate team is when they think they can turn guys' careers around, or save them from their own destruction like they tried with T.O. When you see signings like that, you know the end is near. They are trying to cut corners because the team is spiraling downward.

Get those batteries into the freezer and get them all bricked up for when the Cowboys or Santa comes to town. Get that rusty ice-pick ready for some opposing team fan's car tire when they're not looking. See, I follow other NFL team closely jsut like you say you do. :)

infantrycak
09-05-2006, 11:55 PM
It is true that we are implementing the ZBS and that will help our running game, ...

No, it isn't--the Texans have been a ZBS for 2 years now. In our 3rd year we will hopefully do it better (and with back side cut blocks) but we are not just now implementing it.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-05-2006, 11:59 PM
2003 rushing yards:
BrianWestbrook: 613 yards 5.2ypc
Corell Buckhalter: 542 yards 4.3ypc
Duce Staley: 463 yards 4.8ypc
D. McNabb: 355 yards 5.0ypc

I never said Duce was your leading rusher in 2003. I said youu haven't had a running game since DuceStaley..... obviously, that year you had a running game was prior to 2003. 1600 yards isn't much of a running game, coming from 3 running backs...... it's not the kind of thing you plan around.

'sides tater, if you knew what you were talking about(being an Eaglesfan) you'd know when & if Buckhalter(your best runner) ever lead your team in rushing.



You know what has even less bearing on how Sunday's game is going to turn out??

the 2004 season.

So whatever you thought you had in 2004, forget about it. Right now, the 2005 bottom of the NFC East barrell is who you are. & Since the AFC is much tougher than the NFC, I'll say your 6-10 season is the equivalent to our 2-14.

and another thing. Let's look at SF to see if we can predict how the iGGles season will turn out.

They've been on a steady decline since not being able to satisfy the most explosive player ever to play the game of football(Terrell Owens in case you're slow........... or an Eagles fan). It only took them 2 seasons to get the #6 pick in the draft.

You guys picked up JeffGarcia................ you should be picking about 6 in the '07 draft.


Great, we haven't had a top 10 rushing team since 2003. Oooooo!!!!!!!!!!

In 2004 we were in the superbowl while the Texans were deciding who they wanted in the draft. That was one of the most explosive offenses in the whole NFL - you can't use that as an argument.

As far as 05, we had the following starters out for the season:

QB - McNabb - All-Pro
RB - Westbrook - Pro-Bowl
LT - Thomas - Pro-Bowl
WR - Owens - All-Pro
WR - Pinston - Starter
OC - Fraley - Starter
LT - Herremans - backup LT and current starter
RB - Buckhaulter - Starter
K - Akers - All-Pro
CB - Sheppard - All-Pro

And that doesn't even consider players that played the whole season injured, such as:

DT - Walker - Starter
DT - Rayburn - Starter

To be Frank, 05 was a lost cause. There were more pro-bowlers out that single season then the Texans have had in their existance. Add to that fact that Owens was being the cancer he is, and demanded so many passes, and of course the Eagles had problems. He's gone, and thus, we can run our normal offense again.

The fact that you think we didn't have much of a running game because we rotated 3 backs just shows your lack of football intel. We had a FEARED running game. In fact, the reason we lost the 03 NFCCG was because Westy was hurt. We have him and we're in the super bowl - something the Texans can't even begin to talk about.

As far as your 2 win season being equal to our 6 win season... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Look, when you lose 6 pro-bowlers to injury in one year get back to me. In fact, when your team has 6 pro-bowl players on it, get back to me.

No, you know what, when your team wins 6 games without JUST it's starting QB (who is completely inferior to McNabb in every way) get back to me.

And Owens the most explosive player ever? Look up our scoring offense from 03 vs 04. You won't find much of a difference.

And "steady decline"? HAHHAHAHAHA

1 losing season since 1999 equals a "steady decline?"

Well I guess that makes the Texans born LOSERS doesn't it.

Jeff Garcia? He's a former pro-bowler thats fighting for a backup position. He's nothing.

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles
09-06-2006, 12:02 AM
We put our top guy on I.R. and didn't even sweat it. Seriously. We were sad for Domanick because he has been a great player, but you should see the talk around here (and it isn't "denial"). We see the results already: We can put less-known guys in at RB and get the same results every time.

How so? Because we have a blocking system that makes winners out of most anybody. Denver consistently puts in no-name guys..guys who were NEVER on any other team's draft boards...and they crank out the yards and TDs.

Heck, they even let two guys swap carries and they STILL produce.

I'm sorry your team doesn't have a modern blocking scheme that allows you to plug-and-play any number of running backs. Must stink to have the whole weight of the running game resting on two guys' shoulders. How smart is that? "Uh oh. Our running backs are gone. Well, I guess that's it, isn't it? Better start throwing the ball now. Can't wait until next year to get those guys back. THEN we'll be back in first place."

And the Cowboys are NOT a production of ESPN. I hate them, but I cannot lie: Their backup QB (Romo) was having no problem working with the talent around him: That team will battle the Giants for the top place in the NFC East.

Let's look at two of those "no name late rounders" who actually left the Broncos to play in another system...Clinton Portis (2 seasons with the 'skins 2831 yards and 16 rushing TDs) and Reuben Droughns (1 season with Cleveland 1232 yards and 2 TDs). Both players put up comparable numbers while in Denver. It MUST all be the scheme. They are just plain good runners! +Denver actually has an assemblance of an O-line with former pro-bowlers.

Jerome_Brown_99
09-06-2006, 12:12 AM
No, it isn't--the Texans have been a ZBS for 2 years now. In our 3rd year we will hopefully do it better (and with back side cut blocks) but we are not just now implementing it.

Ummm, thats not a plus. If they hadn't been in a zone bblocking system, at least you could argue there was potential. Since they have been, and have been so bad, and are starting a rookie LT, the OL will still stink this year.

Your OL has been the worst in football, and will continue to be so.