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ArlingtonTexan
09-03-2006, 06:00 PM
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-- Texans to Sign Dayne; Claim Roc Alexander --
Sun Sep 3, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Denver Post reports the Houston Texans have agreed to terms with RB Ron Dayne on Sunday and claimed CB Roc Alexander off waivers. Both Alexander and Dayne were released by Denver on Saturday. The Texans are coached by former Denver OC Gary Kubiak. Houston's new GM Rick Smith also came from Denver this offseason. Dayne was a mild surprise in being cut by the Broncos. He was the starting tailback at the beginning of training camp but he slid to No. 4 after a turf-toe injury. He is healthy and may start for the Texans because of an injury to RB Domanick Davis.



Edit: link from the Denver Post

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4283422

Hulk75
09-03-2006, 06:02 PM
O BOY...........:francis: :francis: :francis: :francis: My brain is running in circles.

281
09-03-2006, 06:03 PM
knew it. :yawn:

Malloy
09-03-2006, 06:04 PM
Fair enough :)

rockabilly
09-03-2006, 06:05 PM
this is big time. i like that guy.

Rodman91
09-03-2006, 06:05 PM
Ron Dayne is washed up. If he couldn't make it in Denver, he will make it NOWHERE!

:cowboy1:

thunderkyss
09-03-2006, 06:08 PM
Ron Dayne is washed up. If he couldn't make it in Denver, he will make it NOWHERE!

:cowboy1:

Can you site the reason he didn't make it in Denver??

Malloy
09-03-2006, 06:11 PM
Ron Dayne is washed up. If he couldn't make it in Denver, he will make it NOWHERE!

:cowboy1:

Kubiak must be a complete idiot then huh ? :)

Rodman91
09-03-2006, 06:13 PM
Can you site the reason he didn't make it in Denver??

Let's see... He was supposed to be the "power back".

Then, comes an UDFA in Mike Bell that surpasses both he (Dayne) and Tatum Bell to get the starting job.

Dayne then gets passed by another back because he may be "big" but doesn't run "big".

He's another bust.

LORK 88
09-03-2006, 06:15 PM
KFFL is reporting the same thing as well:

Texans | Team signs R. Dayne
Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:07:33 -0700

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Houston Texans have agreed to terms with free agent RB Ron Dayne (Broncos). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

dtran04
09-03-2006, 06:16 PM
Actually, I thought he was injured?

Texans>Colts
09-03-2006, 06:16 PM
i think this is a great move for the texans

Rodman91
09-03-2006, 06:17 PM
i think this is a great move for the texans

Why so?

Reddevil63
09-03-2006, 06:17 PM
Let's see... He was supposed to be the "power back".

Then, comes an UDFA in Mike Bell that surpasses both he (Dayne) and Tatum Bell to get the starting job.

Dayne then gets passed by another back because he may be "big" but doesn't run "big".

He's another bust.
He had turf toe and missed some practice and the team liked what they had in Mike Bell.

Mr. White
09-03-2006, 06:17 PM
Might not be the ideal guy, but I'm sure that he'll come in handy sometime.

I'm glad to have him.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:18 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=983


Texans claimed RB Ron Dayne off waivers from Denver.
Score one for Rotoworld: We called it a week ago. Dayne is unlikely to start right away, but his presence somewhat deadens the value of Wali Lundy and Vernand Morency. If the young kids struggle, coach Gary Kubiak won't hesitate to go to Dayne, who knows the system. He's worth a look in deep leagues.

brncoz1fan
09-03-2006, 06:19 PM
Ron Dayne is far from washed up!! I will never understand why we never used him when we needed him. Of course he scored big for us in San Diego and Dallas last year. I believe strongly had we used him in the AFC Championship game the outcome may have been different. I am not a fan of our coach and his decisions and our RB situation is a mess right now and to get rid of an experienced back with his strength is beyond me. I HOPE HE DOES WELL IN HOUSTON!!! AND A PART OF ME HOPES THIS COMES BACK TO BITE SHANNY AND THE BRONCOS IN THE BUTT!!!

PapaL
09-03-2006, 06:19 PM
NOOOOOO. As much as I dislike the signing, if he's a Texan now so be it. I'll cheer for him. Hopefully we get Ron Dayne that played at Wisconsin and not NYG/DEN Ron Dayne.

PapaL
09-03-2006, 06:22 PM
Can you site the reason he didn't make it in Denver??

Yes, 53 attempts 270 yards and 1 touchdown.

V Man
09-03-2006, 06:24 PM
Yes, 53 attempts 270 yards and 1 touchdown.

Over 5 yards a carry; I'll take that anyday.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:25 PM
Over 5 yards a carry; I'll take that anyday.

LOL. yeah i am wondering where he is going with that.

brncoz1fan
09-03-2006, 06:31 PM
I heard Texans are picking up QB Van Pelt too from Denver

Hulk75
09-03-2006, 06:33 PM
I heard Texans are picking up QB Van Pelt too from Denver
Didnt I see him crying once after he got hurt in college?

I think I did.:)

PapaL
09-03-2006, 06:34 PM
Over 5 yards a carry; I'll take that anyday.

Look further into the stats; 8 games last year he recorded a carry:

Att Yrds Avg Lng TD
8 44 5.5 13 0
2 3 1.5 3 0
7 98 14.0 55 1
8 26 3.3 10 0
4 7 1.8 2 0
8 22 2.8 6 0
13 64 4.9 16 0

Totals:
53 270 5.1 55 1

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187386/gamelogs/2005

We're happy about one good game? The last time he got 100 yards was the 3rd game of his 2nd year. Take away that one good game vs DAL and we're talking 3.7 ypc.

TexanSam
09-03-2006, 06:36 PM
I'm not disappointed in the move. It's not like we're bringing him in here to be the starter. If all goes well with Morency and Lundy, then we won't have much use for him. He does give us some depth though and at least we have a veteran there.

brncoz1fan
09-03-2006, 06:37 PM
Remember he was third string to Anderson and Bell

pancho
09-03-2006, 06:39 PM
Who said we didnt get a heisman RB this year?

Divebomb
09-03-2006, 06:39 PM
Ron Dayne, :sos: this is a smart move. When he played last year he looked great and he had the 55 yard TD run.

281
09-03-2006, 06:40 PM
Who said we didnt get a heisman RB this year?

haha, that was good for a chuckle.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:41 PM
Look further into the stats; 8 games last year he recorded a carry:

Att Yrds Avg Lng TD
8 44 5.5 13 0
2 3 1.5 3 0
7 98 14.0 55 1
8 26 3.3 10 0
4 7 1.8 2 0
8 22 2.8 6 0
13 64 4.9 16 0

Totals:
53 270 5.1 55 1

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187386/gamelogs/2005

We're happy about one good game? The last time he got 100 yards was the 3rd game of his 2nd year. Take away that one good game vs DAL and we're talking 3.7 ypc.

when i look at those stats....i see a guy getting over 5 ypc....that isn't getting the rock enough. take away that one game and he is still almost averaging 4 yards a carry.

BTW those stats don't add up to your totals. EDIT - you missed a 3 attempt 6 yard game.

Errant Hothy
09-03-2006, 06:42 PM
So will this finally give us a dependable short yardage/goal line power-back that we've been needing since, oh I don't know this team's founding?

Think he'll be better then Stacey Mack?

Divebomb
09-03-2006, 06:45 PM
http://www.nfl.com/images/2001/dayne_ron0728.jpg
Before Comming to Denver
http://www.cheappremiumtickets.com/images/articles/335.jpg
After comming to denver


NOTE: LOOK AT HIS MIDSECTION, THE GUY LOST OVER 20 LBS COMMING TO DENVER AND HE LOOKED VERY FIT. Last year during the preseason he was tearing it up as well. If he did not have the Turf-Toe he would be the starter. I think we are going to get a back that will inable us to cut BigMoney DD.

PapaL
09-03-2006, 06:45 PM
when i look at those stats....i see a guy getting over 5 ypc....that isn't getting the rock enough. take away that one game and he is still almost averaging 4 yards a carry.

BTW those stats don't add up to your totals.

Sorry, missed 3 att 6 yards 2.0 ypc 4 lng 0TD. Jonathan Wells gave us 3.6 ypc last year and where is he at now? 2 games over 5 ypc, 6 under.

V Man
09-03-2006, 06:46 PM
I'm not disappointed in the move. It's not like we're bringing him in here to be the starter. If all goes well with Morency and Lundy, then we won't have much use for him. He does give us some depth though and at least we have a veteran there.


Exactly what I was thinking. He is experienced depth, no more.

Rodman91
09-03-2006, 06:47 PM
He had turf toe and missed some practice and the team liked what they had in Mike Bell.

Exactly. He's an injury risk, as well.:wild:

PapaL
09-03-2006, 06:47 PM
http://www.nfl.com/images/2001/dayne_ron0728.jpg
Before Comming to Denver
http://www.cheappremiumtickets.com/images/articles/335.jpg
After comming to denver


NOTE: LOOK AT HIS MIDSECTION, THE GUY LOST OVER 20 LBS COMMING TO DENVER AND HE LOOKED VERY FIT. Last year during the preseason he was tearing it up as well. If he did not have the Turf-Toe he would be the starter. I think we are going to get a back that will inable us to cut BigMoney DD.

EDIT: Sure, change the pic while I'm posting, lol

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:47 PM
Sorry, missed 3 att 6 yards 2.0 ypc 4 lng 0TD. Jonathan Wells gave us 3.6 ypc last year and where is he at now? 2 games over 5 ypc, 6 under.

I don't know? 1.5 ypc further back than what Ron Dayne got last year.

texflex513
09-03-2006, 06:49 PM
Can you site the reason he didn't make it in Denver??
TURF TOE

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:51 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. He is experienced depth, no more.

I don't think he is coming in to start....but he is a little more than just depth. The guy was penciled in to be a starter in a system we employ now. This isn't a bad pickup....i'm not sure who people were wanting on the wires....we basically picked up one of the best players on it. Unfortunately....GM's don't accidently press the wrong button and place Shaun Alexander on waivers very often.

killeentexan
09-03-2006, 06:51 PM
So will this finally give us a dependable short yardage/goal line power-back that we've been needing since, oh I don't know this team's founding?

Think he'll be better then Stacey Mack?
Honestly....no I don't. At least Mack had had some success in Jax before coming to us and being a bust. Dayne has been a bust his entire career, what makes anyone think he'll suddenly change now? That being said, he is a warm body and we did need the depth with only Lundy and Morency at RB. I would hate though for Dayne to get any serious playing time though at the expense of our 2 young guys.

Grid
09-03-2006, 06:52 PM
Good pickup imo. Dayne is a back that hasnt really gotten a fair shake in the last few seasons.

ANd as others have said, we arent bringing him in to start... the way I look at it is.. we replaced Chris Taylor with Ron Dayne..and im fine with that. Gives us a bit of veteran talent at RB..and brings in a guy who has been in the Denver system for a year.

Im hoping he will help tutor Lundy and Morency.

Rodman91
09-03-2006, 06:53 PM
NOOOOOO. As much as I dislike the signing, if he's a Texan now so be it. I'll cheer for him. Hopefully we get Ron Dayne that played at Wisconsin and NYG/DEN Ron Dayne.

I really hope the NY Giant Dayne shows up for week one.:wild:

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:53 PM
Honestly....no I don't. At least Mack had had some success in Jax before coming to us and being a bust. Dayne has been a bust his entire career, what makes anyone think he'll suddenly change now? That being said, he is a warm body and we did need the depth with only Lundy and Morency at RB. I would hate though for Dayne to get any serious playing time though at the expense of our 2 young guys.

He won't. Although i wouldn't be surprised to see him in games we are winning and trying to control the clock in. Lundy and Morency don't have much experience to do small things like that....yet.

PapaL
09-03-2006, 06:53 PM
Good pickup imo. Dayne is a back that hasnt really gotten a fair shake in the last few seasons.

ANd as others have said, we arent bringing him in to start... the way I look at it is.. we replaced Chris Taylor with Ron Dayne..and im fine with that. Gives us a bit of veteran talent at RB..and brings in a guy who has been in the Denver system for a year.

Im hoping he will help tutor Lundy and Morency.

We can only hope.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:57 PM
We can only hope.

And what if he absolutely sucks?? Big deal. He was claimed on waivers for God's sake. I don't understand this feeling hopelessness like we just screwed ourselves by signing a guy off waivers. A guy who is familiar with an unorthodox system and still is very much serviceable.

Divebomb
09-03-2006, 06:58 PM
it is official
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=983&line=72201&spln=1

killeentexan
09-03-2006, 06:58 PM
I think we are going to get a back that will inable us to cut BigMoney DD.
Would that be Doug Dingleberry? Cause we already put Dom Davis on Injured Reserve for the season so we really can't cut him. About the only thing we could do at this point or if Dayne works out better then anyone could have thought, is to work out a settlement with Davis and then he goes away.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 06:59 PM
it is official
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=983&line=72201&spln=1

i so already beat you man. lol.

Divebomb
09-03-2006, 07:01 PM
DD will not be back next year, he is healthy right now, all mental. We will not need him.

killeentexan
09-03-2006, 07:04 PM
DD will not be back next year, he is healthy right now, all mental. We will not need him.
Thanks for clearing that up Dr. Freud, or should we just call you Sigmond?

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 07:06 PM
Must be a pretty powerful mind to even make your knee swollen to fool coaches and trainers.

Capster67
09-03-2006, 07:07 PM
The Denver Post reported we signed Dayne. Here's the link:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4283422

Cruuuuuuuz
09-03-2006, 07:08 PM
How many Denver rejects are we gonna take? I say bring back J.Wells(just cut by Indy) He was a true Texan from the beginning.

Honoring Earl 34
09-03-2006, 07:09 PM
If I'm not mistaken ... Ron Dayne does'nt turn the ball over . He had 5 fumbles in 638 attempts . Lets see 5yds a crack and does'nt fumble , not bad for nuthin .

Honoring Earl 34
09-03-2006, 07:10 PM
How many Denver rejects are we gonna take? I say bring back J.Wells(just cut by Indy) He was a true Texan from the beginning.
Yeah lets bring back James Allen also .

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 07:11 PM
The Denver Post reported we signed Dayne. Here's the link:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4283422

what a demeaning article title. bastard. regardless....pretty good waiver pick up. period.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 07:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2572250

The Houston Texans filled their need for a veteran tailback on Sunday evening, reaching agreement with six-year veteran Ron Dayne, who was released by the Denver Broncos one day earlier. Financial details of the one-year deal were not yet available, but the contract is likely for the minimum base salary.

Ron Dayne
Running Back
Denver Broncos

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
53 270 1 3 17 0

First-year Texans head coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator in Denver and is thus familiar with Dayne. And since the Texans have installed an offense similar to the Broncos' design, Dayne will not need a learning period before he can contribute.

Before the agreement with Dayne, who is to arrive in Houston on Sunday night, the Texans had just two tailbacks on the roster, rookie Wali Lundy and second-year veteran Vernand Morency, after waiving rookie Chris Taylor earlier in the day. Lundy will start Sunday's season opener and, even with the addition of Dayne, it's likely that Morency will remain the top backup for now.

Houston was forced to place starter Domanick Davis, the leading rusher in franchise history, on injured reserve Saturday because of lingering swelling in his left knee. Davis had missed all but the first few days of training camp and had not appeared in any preseason games.

Dayne, 28, was projected at one point this spring, after the Broncos released Mike Anderson, as the starter in Denver. In camp, however, he quickly fell behind younger tailbacks Mike Bell, Tatum Bell and Cedric Cobbs, got just five carries in preseason play, and was then released when the Broncos reduced their roster to the regular season limit of 53 players.

The former University of Wisconsin star, and Heisman Trophy winner in 1999, was the first-round pick of the New York Giants in the 2000 draft. He started 11 games in his first two seasons with the Giants, and he averaged 730 rushing yards in 2000-2001, but has not rushed for more than 428 yards in a season since then. In 2005, his lone Denver season, Dayne rushed for 270 yards and one touchdown on 53 carries. Over the past three seasons, Dayne has logged only 105 carries and managed just 449 yards.

But the loss of Davis for the season left Houston without a proven back and, in a pinch, Kubiak turned to a player with whom he is familiar.

For his career, Dayne has rushed for 2,337 yards and 17 touchdowns on 638 carries. He also has 21 catches for 151 yards and no touchdowns. Dayne has appeared in 72 games, 14 as a starter.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 07:17 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2572250

The Houston Texans filled their need for a veteran tailback on Sunday evening, reaching agreement with six-year veteran Ron Dayne, who was released by the Denver Broncos one day earlier. Financial details of the one-year deal were not yet available, but the contract is likely for the minimum base salary.

Ron Dayne
Running Back
Denver Broncos

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
53 270 1 3 17 0

First-year Texans head coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator in Denver and is thus familiar with Dayne. And since the Texans have installed an offense similar to the Broncos' design, Dayne will not need a learning period before he can contribute.

Before the agreement with Dayne, who is to arrive in Houston on Sunday night, the Texans had just two tailbacks on the roster, rookie Wali Lundy and second-year veteran Vernand Morency, after waiving rookie Chris Taylor earlier in the day. Lundy will start Sunday's season opener and, even with the addition of Dayne, it's likely that Morency will remain the top backup for now.

Houston was forced to place starter Domanick Davis, the leading rusher in franchise history, on injured reserve Saturday because of lingering swelling in his left knee. Davis had missed all but the first few days of training camp and had not appeared in any preseason games.

Dayne, 28, was projected at one point this spring, after the Broncos released Mike Anderson, as the starter in Denver. In camp, however, he quickly fell behind younger tailbacks Mike Bell, Tatum Bell and Cedric Cobbs, got just five carries in preseason play, and was then released when the Broncos reduced their roster to the regular season limit of 53 players.

The former University of Wisconsin star, and Heisman Trophy winner in 1999, was the first-round pick of the New York Giants in the 2000 draft. He started 11 games in his first two seasons with the Giants, and he averaged 730 rushing yards in 2000-2001, but has not rushed for more than 428 yards in a season since then. In 2005, his lone Denver season, Dayne rushed for 270 yards and one touchdown on 53 carries. Over the past three seasons, Dayne has logged only 105 carries and managed just 449 yards.

But the loss of Davis for the season left Houston without a proven back and, in a pinch, Kubiak turned to a player with whom he is familiar.

For his career, Dayne has rushed for 2,337 yards and 17 touchdowns on 638 carries. He also has 21 catches for 151 yards and no touchdowns. Dayne has appeared in 72 games, 14 as a starter.

HeartofHouston
09-03-2006, 07:20 PM
i say that we give him a shot here before people start shooting him down. I think that it's a good pick. I mean big strong power back who is used to running in a zone-blocking system all the way from College.

i'm rooting for him. imagine Lundy pounding it tiring out the defense and Morency comes and jukes and spins people and then you have to deal with a monster like Dayne.

:fans:

TexanExile
09-03-2006, 07:22 PM
He had 5 fumbles in 638 attempts.

Well, that settles the "is he better than Stacey Mack?" question.

Given the price and Dayne's familiarity with the system--plus the youth at 1st and 2nd RB--this was a nice little move. I don't think it'll change the course of the season, but I like the addition.

HeartofHouston
09-03-2006, 07:22 PM
I still give him an A for effort tho.. :poker:

LBC_Justin
09-03-2006, 07:23 PM
Look further into the stats; 8 games last year he recorded a carry:

Att Yrds Avg Lng TD
8 44 5.5 13 0
2 3 1.5 3 0
7 98 14.0 55 1
8 26 3.3 10 0
4 7 1.8 2 0
8 22 2.8 6 0
13 64 4.9 16 0

Totals:
53 270 5.1 55 1

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187386/gamelogs/2005

We're happy about one good game? The last time he got 100 yards was the 3rd game of his 2nd year. Take away that one good game vs DAL and we're talking 3.7 ypc.
There is one flaw in your theory.

He DID have that big game. If you take away their best performances many players look average.

veazeyt
09-03-2006, 07:23 PM
Personally, I thought Antowain Smith had better stuff... but hey, they dont pay me to make any decisions!

Go Texans!

HeartofHouston
09-03-2006, 07:25 PM
also you have to think about the fact that some people get better with more carries and Dayne might be one of them.

JAXwithanX
09-03-2006, 07:30 PM
You're a little late on the draw there bubba. :cowboy1:

There are already like 4 threads with this "news."

wow. i see one dealing with the rumor that i posted this in...and then the topic i made once we knew it was completely official. bubba.

I still give him an A for effort tho.. :poker:

you actually made a post just to ride another poster. good stuff. hope he was impressed.

Marcus
09-03-2006, 07:33 PM
How many Denver rejects are we gonna take? I say bring back J.Wells(just cut by Indy) He was a true Texan from the beginning.
What is this . . some kind a wierd loyalty thing?

thunderkyss
09-03-2006, 07:33 PM
I wonder how much Kubiak & Shanahan are talking behind the scenes.

Do you think Shanahan wants to help Kubiak, or is he officially the enemy now??

vtech9
09-03-2006, 07:37 PM
There is one flaw in your theory.

He DID have that big game. If you take away their best performances many players look average.
how about taking away that one 55 yard carry. Personally, I would rather we had kept Taylor or A. Smith.

TexanExile
09-03-2006, 07:39 PM
Even if we took away Smith's one notable carry?

281
09-03-2006, 07:43 PM
I wonder how much Kubiak & Shanahan are talking behind the scenes.

Do you think Shanahan wants to help Kubiak, or is he officially the enemy now??

it's probably friendly banter, nothing more. they're professionals.

thunderkyss
09-03-2006, 07:46 PM
we'll never know..... but I think RonDayne doing well last year had more to do with Denver letting MikeAnderson go, than Tatum Bell.

Denver(shanahan) likes Bell for his speed, and his vision......... but I don't believe he is comfortable with Bell being an EveryDown back.

Dayne was going to start '06, but they found a gem in MikeBell, and since his name rhymes with Tatum's, they decided to go that way.

Most players who've gone through what RonDayne has gone through, would be has beens by now. Signed to replace Tiki..... then let go....... then Signed in Denver to be a star..... then let go..... I hope he understands he still has an opportunity to prove something in Houston. Chances are really slim that Lundy/Morency will consistently have the games they've had in the preseason. He might be closer than he thought he was to starting.

cbnjwill
09-03-2006, 07:48 PM
id rather gone after lee suggs or davenport over dayne. dont really see this as a big move. i hope we dont lose taylor to another team. are we bringing in rogers how about matt ware. we have first dibs on these guys lets bring in some talent that wasnt in denver before

vtech9
09-03-2006, 07:49 PM
Even if we took away Smith's one notable carry?
in a heartbeat...Smith has proven that he can be dependable. What has Dayne proven? That he can have a couple decent games to try and make you forget about all of the subpar games he's had? I'm sorry, my memory goes beyond just a few games. I remember the disappointment of the Ginats while he was there. Everyone thought that he had so much potential, but never showed it. (sound familiar?)

brncoz1fan
09-03-2006, 07:58 PM
Have you heard if you picked up Van Pelt yet from the Broncos? That is the rumor here.

PapaL
09-03-2006, 08:00 PM
And what if he absolutely sucks?? Big deal. He was claimed on waivers for God's sake. I don't understand this feeling hopelessness like we just screwed ourselves by signing a guy off waivers. A guy who is familiar with an unorthodox system and still is very much serviceable.

I say we can only hope he provides vet leadership and you flip your wig? I say he sucks, you say he's great. Whoopdie doo, we signed a 3rd string RB who is a 1st round bust. I never said we screwed ourselves, said I did not like him, but would root for him once he became a Texan.

DocBar
09-03-2006, 08:01 PM
I'm wondering about some of the moves we've made. I'm not sure I like Wand and 'Baire getting cut. Both are big bodies that we may well need during the course of the season. I don't mind at all the RB moves that have been made. All you Carr haters out there should be feeling better about life. If he stinks it up this year, he'll be getting the hook. IMO, Kubes is a VERY no-nonsense kind of guy.He says the right things and plays the "game", but if he feels you aren't performing, you better be nervous. I'm fairly impressed with the turnaround in TJ's performance this preseason. I hope he realizes how fortunate he is to have a job here and keeps that fire lit. All in all, this is going to be a very interesting year. Texans 24 Eagles 17 Texans set team record for sacks in a game(8) and Carr passes for over 300 yds for the 2nd(?) time in his career.

pancho
09-03-2006, 08:02 PM
Man I hope not, he's actually a Coloradian.

brncoz1fan
09-03-2006, 08:04 PM
I think the Broncos made a mistake in getting rid of Dayne. Mike Bell is a rookie, Tatum Bell is far from an every down back, especially third down and Cobbs been injured most of his short career. I hope Dayne will make our Mastermind coach he is sorry to let him go!

TexansLucky13
09-03-2006, 08:06 PM
I think the Broncos made a mistake in getting rid of Dayne. Mike Bell is a rookie, Tatum Bell is far from an every down back, especially third down and Cobbs been injured most of his short career. I hope Dayne will make our Mastermind coach he is sorry to let him go!

Haha. Would be an ironic little thing if Shanahan gave up on a RB that his former OC saw so much talent in, and he ended up being a real stud. Lets hope he can avoid chronic turf toe.

Cruuuuuuuz
09-03-2006, 08:10 PM
What is this . . some kind a wierd loyalty thing?
uh...yeah..it seems Kubes has a strange loyalty to taking all of Denver's rejects. I thought this was a semi-NEW system he was creating....plus i'd rather see Wells or Antowain (a Houston native) over Dayne anyday...
You spelled weird wrong.

brncoz1fan
09-03-2006, 08:11 PM
Oh GOODNESS!! I feel I may become a Texans fan!! A little bitter about our cuts!

Kaiser Toro
09-03-2006, 08:16 PM
Can't stand this move one bit. The guy has done nothing, but make fools of people on the professional level. Hopefully Dayne has become a professional himself since his Wisconsin days where one could spin that his hobbies and weight could have a connection.

In the event we do sign him, since he still will need to pass a physical and whatever other tests they administer, I really hope that it is a one year deal at the minimum salary. Anymore investment on Dayne would give me serious reservations aboout Smith/Kubiak being a better brain trust in player personnel than Casserly.

TexanExile
09-03-2006, 08:18 PM
Have you heard if you picked up Van Pelt yet from the Broncos? That is the rumor here.

Apparently that's not on the table.

According to this Houston Chronicle article about the Dayne signing, (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4160978.html) "The Texans considered former Denver backup quarterback Bradlee Van Pelt, but Kubiak decided they couldn't afford the extra of luxury of carry three on the active roster. Quarterback Quinton Porter, an undrafted free agent from Boston College, who preformed [sic] well in the preseason, will be part of the eight-player practice squad."

cuppacoffee
09-03-2006, 08:18 PM
Oh GOODNESS!! I feel I may become a Texans fan!! A little bitter about our cuts!

Climb aboard. :gotexans1

You will recognize a few names on our coaching staff and roster.

Still waiting for the Van Pelt signing.

:coffee:

jerek
09-03-2006, 08:24 PM
I'm not really high on this acquisition. Of what I've seen (admittedly not a lot, in terms of game tape) Dayne has been very inconsistent on a professional level and I'm not really sure what he brings to the table at this point. I'll happily adopt a wait-and-see attitude but this one has got me scratching my head a bit.

PapaL
09-03-2006, 08:25 PM
Can't stand this move one bit. The guy has done nothing, but make fools of people on the professional level. Hopefully Dayne has become a professional himself since his Wisconsin days where one could spin that his hobbies and weight could have a connection.

In the event we do sign him, since he still will need to pass a physical and whatever other tests they administer, I really hope that it is a one year deal at the minimum salary. Anymore investment on Dayne would give me serious reservations aboout Smith/Kubiak being a better brain trust in player personnel than Casserly.

ESPN is reporting that it is a one year, financial terms not disclosed:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2572250&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines


The Houston Texans filled their need for a veteran tailback on Sunday evening, reaching agreement with six-year veteran Ron Dayne, who was released by the Denver Broncos one day earlier. Financial details of the one-year deal were not yet available, but the contract is likely for the minimum base salary.

Tulip
09-03-2006, 08:25 PM
I'm underwhelmed.

cap1
09-03-2006, 08:28 PM
yeah now we finally have that Heisman Running Back that everyone wanted!

:francis: :bananasplit: :whip: :challenge

seriously though I hope he works out.

Tulip
09-03-2006, 08:37 PM
I'm hoping the Denver Post is just making an uneducated guess:

He is healthy and may start for the Texans because of an injury to Domanick Davis.

Texans pick from Leftovers (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4283422)

Hervoyel
09-03-2006, 08:37 PM
Dayne is coming here because he's a better choice for "veteran leadership" in the backfied than Antowain Smith was. Kubiak obviously feels he's an upgrade over Smith and he was never going to hit the season with two rookies and a second year player.

He's not going to start unless he earns it and if he does then we'll all be happy we have him.

If Chris Taylor gets better he might come back from the practice squad (though I don't think this is likely anytime soon) and if Lundy and Morency do what they've been doing then Dayne will see the field to relay a play every now and then. Maybe.

GP
09-03-2006, 08:38 PM
I called it.

I said out of all the options out there, I could see us picking up Dayne due to his familiarity with the Broncos offense...the short yardage ability, etc. I don't necessarily endorse the move, but hey...Kubiak's been working miracles thus far, and as far as I can tell Kubiak could turn water into Shiner Bock if he wanted to.

Plus, with us only having two backs (Lundy and Morency) and dismissing Taylor after Kubiak giving him what we believed to be a nod of approval...it was failry obvious that 1 + 1 = 2.

I know a lot of others called this one, too, so I'm not exactly a psychic or anything. It just feels good to call a shot and hit it right on the head.

I think my record for predictions is now about 2-145. Slowly creeping back up to the Mendoza line...taking those baby steps as Dr. Leo prescribes.

mamoo
09-03-2006, 08:41 PM
The signing has not happened yet. It will probably happen tomorrow though barring anything unusual.

GP
09-03-2006, 08:47 PM
I'm not really high on this acquisition. Of what I've seen (admittedly not a lot, in terms of game tape) Dayne has been very inconsistent on a professional level and I'm not really sure what he brings to the table at this point. I'll happily adopt a wait-and-see attitude but this one has got me scratching my head a bit.

I am not excited either...BUT, he does give us a power running option in short yardage/goal line situations. And at the very least, when he's in there on short yardage/goal line situations, he can provide us a great playaction pass opportunity. You gotta' stack the line when Dayne's in the backfield, to stop the run, on short yardage/goal line situations...and that adds an element of strategy to our team.

I think Kubiak brought him in for a limited role: Decoy. Secondarily, he can run the ball with more authority than he had proven earlier in his career. Dayne, IMO, was partially a victim of the Denver RB system which produces about 12 RBs each year that they have to whittle down to 2 or 3.

Again, he's not a gamebreaker...but he provides us with a decoy option on the playaction pass, which is a huge element of the Shanahan/Kubiak system where you run bootlegs and playaction a lot. Lots of misdirection.

When you think about it, the great teams kill you with the psychology of misdirection: When Moose, Irvin, Emmitt, Novacek, and Harper lined up...which one gets the ball in short yardage/ goal line situations? Answer: Any dang one of them, and it's because the defense cannot cover all of them and it creates an open man somewhere. Pittsburgh last year had guys who could take a pitch and throw a deep pass to a WR for a long TD. Brady had offensive linemen/d-linemen who doubled as "Eligible receivers" and it gave defenses fits. I'm telling you guys and gals: The element of having a guy like Dayne, even if he's a little one-dimentional, will prove to be worthy of at least a one-year deal.

Just because Denver released the guy doesn't mean he's worthless. They are saturated with RBs.

thunderkyss
09-03-2006, 08:48 PM
Ron Dayne was drafted by the NewYork Giants in 2000.

I remember the Giants weren't happy with what they were getting out of TikiBarber. Drafting Dayne was supposed to be their solution. Tiki all of a sudden played pretty well... he earned a reprieve. Tiki kept getting better and better...... Ron Dayne couldn't beat him out.

I don't know if I would hold that against Ron Dayne. I mean....... it's TikiBarber.

Then he goes to Denver, plays behind MikeAnderson, they had just drafted Tatum Bell.....

I don't really see where he's been disappointing. At least he's still in the league.

Imagine if he has a year for us, like the guy who won the Heisman before him in Miami last year??

GuerillaBlack
09-03-2006, 08:51 PM
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2005/1110/20051110_095239_Rdayne111105_400.jpg

Good move.

:muscles:

RiotCommander
09-03-2006, 08:53 PM
I thought i saw where all y'all thought A Smith was the perfect back up?


Stop taking shots at our backup players when your own team looks like something out of a bloopers reel.

TexansLucky13
09-03-2006, 08:53 PM
I thought i saw where all y'all thought A Smith was the perfect back up?

I was in awe of the Super Bowl rings on his fingers. The same rings Reggie Bush will never have. :chicken:

Errant Hothy
09-03-2006, 08:53 PM
IF the signing is for the verteran minimum then its a good deal, he is better then Smith. And hopefully Taylor will make it to the practice squad.

GP
09-03-2006, 08:55 PM
My new signature: "Kubiak can turn water into Shiner Bock."

Hervoyel
09-03-2006, 08:58 PM
A .Smith wasn't a good enough backup??

Apparently our head coach spent the entire preseason watching him and came to the conclusion that he was not. He then watched his former team to see who was let go. That player was Ron Dayne and, since Kubiak was obviously very familiar with Ron Dayne he decided to pursue him. It seems clear that in Gary Kubiaks opinion Ron Dayne is an upgrade to Antowain Smith.

Let me know if you need anything else cleared up or spelled out. I'm happy to help.

thunderkyss
09-03-2006, 09:02 PM
A .Smith wasn't a good enough backup??


You're just upset we got our Heisman winning RB on clearance, and you paid sticker for yours.

RiotCommander
09-03-2006, 09:03 PM
You're just upset we got our Heisman winning RB on clearance, and you paid sticker for yours.


Ok that is getting you rep hahah

TexanExile
09-03-2006, 09:16 PM
My new signature: "Kubiak can turn water into Shiner Bock."

A truly fine 1,000th post.

Any Shiner talk is good talk! :party:

Cruuuuuuuz
09-03-2006, 09:30 PM
Ok...after a few Shiner Bocks...i have this to say:
Overall..getting Dayne is a good move...BUT...i feel like the Texan fans were LIED TO with all the Kubiak quotes of Taylor over Smith being such a "tough decision" when they were planning to go for Dayne all along....

The Pencil Neck
09-03-2006, 09:33 PM
Have you heard if you picked up Van Pelt yet from the Broncos? That is the rumor here.

No. Kubiak decided to only go with 2 QB's and signed Porter to the practice squad.

GuerillaBlack
09-03-2006, 09:34 PM
You're just upset we got our Heisman winning RB on clearance, and you paid sticker for yours.

Classic.

The Pencil Neck
09-03-2006, 09:40 PM
i feel like the Texan fans were LIED TO with all the Kubiak quotes of Taylor over Smith being such a "tough decision" when they were planning to go for Dayne all along....

Texans' fans OR other front offices? I have absolutely no problem with our coaching staff or front office telling us lies about what they're planning to do or doing with the players if they're doing it to get some strategic or tactical effect while dealing with other front offices.

It's like being in a war and journalists asking generals what their plans are. Do you really expect them to tell you everything that a spy somewhere is working hard to discover? Do you really want them to?

beerlover
09-03-2006, 09:49 PM
My new signature: "Kubiak can turn water into Shiner Bock."


actually its not as hard as it sounds, I do it all the time :yikes:

Cruuuuuuuz
09-03-2006, 09:53 PM
eh...my azz....Kubiak wasnt giving counter information via the media in hopes that Denver would let Dayne go....especially when he was prolly talking to Shanahan beside the scenes the whole time....he was just lying to to Texan fans...the whole time. Plain and simple. Smith and Taylor never had a chance...we had the first waiver pick...Kubiak coulda came clear and correct by just saying what they were gonna do....
I like Kubes dont get wrong...but dont lie to me brah.

Insideop
09-03-2006, 09:55 PM
Now that we've cut Taylor, what do y'all think the chances are of him getting picked up by another team, or do you think he'll make it through waivers and get put on the practice squad? Being an undrafted FA I would hope the other teams pass on him, but you never know! Sure hope he and Anderson make through the waiver wire. :poker:

Texans_Chick
09-03-2006, 10:11 PM
Here's a lot of the Dayne info in one place:

Link: Ron Dayne is a Texan (http://texans.aolsportsblog.com/2006/09/03/ron-dayne-is-a-texan/)

PapaL
09-03-2006, 10:20 PM
I am not excited either...BUT, he does give us a power running option in short yardage/goal line situations. And at the very least, when he's in there on short yardage/goal line situations, he can provide us a great playaction pass opportunity. You gotta' stack the line when Dayne's in the backfield, to stop the run, on short yardage/goal line situations...and that adds an element of strategy to our team.

The knock on Dayne has always been that he is neither a power nor short yardage back. He's built like one, but doesnt run like one.

Something that doesnt make sense, he's cut because he's not healthy (turf toe). But now its reported that he is healthy? Did he get healthy in the couple of hours he was a free agent?

Errant Hothy
09-03-2006, 10:24 PM
The knock on Dayne has always been that he is neither a power nor short yardage back. He's built like one, but doesnt run like one.

ala Stacey Mack.:brickwall

Something I've grown to accept as truth over the last 4 years is that there is no need to carry the so called power back specialist, you just need somebody who runs hard, low to the ground and behind his pads.

But then agian I'd love to see Dayne become that 3 yard jack hammer.

GP
09-03-2006, 10:44 PM
A truly fine 1,000th post.

Any Shiner talk is good talk! :party:

I didn't even pay attention. That was my 1,000th post?

Well kiss my grits....

That WAS a great post for being the 1,000th.

Thunderkyss: Grrrrrrrrrrreat comment about buying used rather than off the new car lot. Almost good enough to become my signature. But I gotta' stay with the one I have.

Hookem Horns
09-03-2006, 10:45 PM
I really hope the NY Giant Dayne shows up for week one.:wild:

Hey, if the Texans show up resembling the Giants I am sure they will beat the Eagles since the Giants have been doing that lately.

cred
09-03-2006, 10:52 PM
I haven't seen this on texans web site yet.

GoTexans
09-03-2006, 11:01 PM
Why so?

Because we have a short yardage back that can just bull over defenses and pick up a 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

GP
09-03-2006, 11:05 PM
I haven't seen this on texans web site yet.

It's on The Chronicle's site: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4160978.html

All that's left to do is to dot the I's and cross the T's.

Pure logistics involving the signing of the contract, and it's "reported" by a few posters here on this board to be a one-year deal...a one-year experiment, thank goodness.

Wolf
09-03-2006, 11:13 PM
The knock on Dayne has always been that he is neither a power nor short yardage back. He's built like one, but doesnt run like one.

Something that doesnt make sense, he's cut because he's not healthy (turf toe). But now its reported that he is healthy? Did he get healthy in the couple of hours he was a free agent?

1st part.. ala Wells

2nd part.. that caught my attention too.

edo783
09-03-2006, 11:19 PM
My new signature: "Kubiak can turn water into Shiner Bock."

Heck, I turn Shinner into water all the time! Can I be the head coach now??? Nah, that's to much like real work.

dalemurphy
09-03-2006, 11:36 PM
We needed a veteran. Dayne knows the system and can step in immediately and contribute. I doubt this move really effects the depth chart at the top too much. If Morency and Lundy play well, they'll get most of the snaps. Ron Dayne isn't a great talent, but he'll do as a third string RB... don't you think?

Divebomb
09-03-2006, 11:49 PM
Ron Dayne is a upgrade from both Smith and Taylor and he will be in the hunt for the starting role by week two. I think people are ridding this guy off way to soon. He is going to see this as a clean slate and he is now healthy from the turf toe. I think Dayne will give those guys a run for their money. The addition of Dayne makes our team so much better. Smith was slow and old and I only could have seen us keeping him for leadership role and maybe short yardage. Taylor is another rookie but he will get more attention next year. If Kubiak want dayne in here and he feels Dayne can do the job then hey I welcome the idea. Kubiak would not make this move if it were not a upgrade.

Daonly
09-03-2006, 11:55 PM
The Stronger the Depth The Stronger the Competition, The Stronger The Competition The Harder they Run, equals better run production... I like the move :poker:

GP
09-04-2006, 12:06 AM
Ron Dayne is a upgrade from both Smith and Taylor and he will be in the hunt for the starting role by week two. I think people are ridding this guy off way to soon. He is going to see this as a clean slate and he is now healthy from the turf toe. I think Dayne will give those guys a run for their money. The addition of Dayne makes our team so much better. Smith was slow and old and I only could have seen us keeping him for leadership role and maybe short yardage. Taylor is another rookie but he will get more attention next year. If Kubiak want dayne in here and he feels Dayne can do the job then hey I welcome the idea. Kubiak would not make this move if it were not a upgrade.

In reply to the "Dayne will be in the hunt to start by week two" comment:

Dayne is reportedly signing for the league minimum on a one-year contract.

Frankly, if Kubiak felt he was starter material (as you believe he is) then I think we would have traded for Dayne to get him into camp.

My theory stands: He's a decoy, a guy we bring in on short yardage/goalline situations to either pound the ball or even better: To be a great decoy in the playaction passing game.


In reply to the "Dayne is an upgrade" comment:

He is NOT an upgrade. He is, IMO, a short yardage/goal line running back. Taylor will get on the PS, and Taylor will be activated if Lundy OR Morency goes down with an injury. And Dayne will still only smell a small percentage of reps.

Kubiak said this about Dayne: "He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball. He's got more size than our other two. Because we're familiar with him, he can step right into our offense on Tuesday and know exactly what we're doing. At this point that's a tremendous advantage for us."

Sure, he might get some snaps along the way when it's not short yardage/goal line scenario...but those will be far and few between, and will come as a way to either ball control the clock or spell Lundy/Morency.

It's a nice pick-up for us, but I don't think he's "in the hunt" as a starter. And "Yes" anything can happen, but logistically he's a tactical weapon at-best.

blockhead83
09-04-2006, 12:12 AM
I fail to see the negative in picking up Dayne. He gives us a veteran and a change of pace in the backfield, as well as a player who's already accustomed with our system. He's third on the depth chart so we won't be seeing him very often anyways, so what's the big deal?

RiotCommander
09-04-2006, 12:14 AM
I fail to see the negative in picking up Dayne. He gives us a veteran and a change of pace in the backfield, as well as a player who's already accustomed with our system. He's third on the depth chart so we won't be seeing him very often anyways, so what's the big deal?


I do, let me tell you something right now Mr. know-it-all. he is going to kill me in fantasy football. Now its three RBs!! In all seriousness I don't see the big deal either.

TexansLucky13
09-04-2006, 12:35 AM
I do, let me tell you something right now Mr. know-it-all. he is going to kill me in fantasy football. Now its three RBs!! In all seriousness I don't see the big deal either.

Ahaha. And guess who picked him up from the FA in your League.... :shades:

tburdette
09-04-2006, 12:46 AM
I don't really know how I feel about us picking up Dayne. He is a texan so you have to love the guy, but he has been nothing but a disappointment since he entered the league. Maybe Kubiak will know what to do with this guy and can get us the back that he was in college.

TexanSam
09-04-2006, 01:00 AM
Ron Dayne is a upgrade from both Smith and Taylor and he will be in the hunt for the starting role by week two. I think people are ridding this guy off way to soon. He is going to see this as a clean slate and he is now healthy from the turf toe. I think Dayne will give those guys a run for their money. The addition of Dayne makes our team so much better. Smith was slow and old and I only could have seen us keeping him for leadership role and maybe short yardage. Taylor is another rookie but he will get more attention next year. If Kubiak want dayne in here and he feels Dayne can do the job then hey I welcome the idea. Kubiak would not make this move if it were not a upgrade.

I don't think he'll be in the hunt to start by only the 2nd week of the season. I'm sure Lundy and Morency will get more than two weeks too prove that they can succeed in this new system. Now if they both combine for only 70 yards or so (which is doubtful), then Dayne may get a look at significant playing time. Other than that, I doubt we'll see him get more than 5-8 touches a game.

GP
09-04-2006, 01:00 AM
I don't really know how I feel about us picking up Dayne. He is a texan so you have to love the guy, but he has been nothing but a disappointment since he entered the league. Maybe Kubiak will know what to do with this guy and can get us the back that he was in college.

Let me settle your fears:

I watched him early on in NY: He was awful.

I watched him last season when he was with Denver: He is picking up some steam, making some pretty good runs here and there compared to all the previous seasons where he looked like a bust.

Kubiak calls him "A bruiser," a guy who can "Pound the ball," and IMO he will be a tactical weapon we use in certain situations.

I seriously doubt he was brough in by Kubiak to compete for the starting job...reports are in that he is signing a one-year deal for league minimum. That's a good indicator (IMO) that he's an experimental addition and we're not wrapping up long-term dollars/contract figures in Dayne.

Does that make you feel better? :dance:

HeartofHouston
09-04-2006, 02:10 AM
He was giving YOU an "A" for effort, bubba.
:yawn:

LOL thank you.. I ignored that little comment i didnt think that it required a response.

z0rpAn
09-04-2006, 02:13 AM
Wow, all my draft picks are coming of value. First Morency, then Stallworth, now Ron Dayne. Next up: Cedric Cobbs :)

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2006, 03:25 AM
I am not excited either...BUT, he does give us a power running option in short yardage/goal line situations. And at the very least, when he's in there on short yardage/goal line situations, he can provide us a great playaction pass opportunity. You gotta' stack the line when Dayne's in the backfield, to stop the run, on short yardage/goal line situations...and that adds an element of strategy to our team.

I think Kubiak brought him in for a limited role: Decoy. Secondarily, he can run the ball with more authority than he had proven earlier in his career. Dayne, IMO, was partially a victim of the Denver RB system which produces about 12 RBs each year that they have to whittle down to 2 or 3.

Again, he's not a gamebreaker...but he provides us with a decoy option on the playaction pass, which is a huge element of the Shanahan/Kubiak system where you run bootlegs and playaction a lot. Lots of misdirection.

When you think about it, the great teams kill you with the psychology of misdirection: When Moose, Irvin, Emmitt, Novacek, and Harper lined up...which one gets the ball in short yardage/ goal line situations? Answer: Any dang one of them, and it's because the defense cannot cover all of them and it creates an open man somewhere. Pittsburgh last year had guys who could take a pitch and throw a deep pass to a WR for a long TD. Brady had offensive linemen/d-linemen who doubled as "Eligible receivers" and it gave defenses fits. I'm telling you guys and gals: The element of having a guy like Dayne, even if he's a little one-dimentional, will prove to be worthy of at least a one-year deal.

Just because Denver released the guy doesn't mean he's worthless. They are saturated with RBs.


The one thing that you left out of the equation on the teams you've mentioned is that they commonly used the long ball to keep the defenses honest...................so far in the preseason, Carr has "hidden" the long ball from his receivers.

Although I'm not sure that Smith was not a more consistent/reliable short yardage bull runner and greater threat than Dayne, Dayne will likely be a very regrettable alternative if the Texans are "hoping" that his turf toe will not be an issue........and from recent reports, Dayne has admitted that it is still bothering him.

Rodman91
09-04-2006, 07:05 AM
The one thing that you left out of the equation on the teams you've mentioned is that they commonly used the long ball to keep the defenses honest...................so far in the preseason, Carr has "hidden" the long ball from his receivers.

Although I'm not sure that Smith was not a more consistent/reliable short yardage bull runner and greater threat than Dayne, Dayne will likely be a very regrettable alternative if the Texans are "hoping" that his turf toe will not be an issue........and from recent reports, Dayne has admitted that it is still bothering him.

Dayne is injury prone and a bust. If he couldn't make it in Denver because of turf toe, he won't make it in Houston.

:cowboy1: :fireball: :logo:

coachdent
09-04-2006, 07:07 AM
"Nice....not thrilling...but nice."

For those of you "History of the World" fans out there, it is probably not a treasure bath, but it isn't bad.

I had been hoping Stephen Davis, but his health is in question too. He is what he is....a waiver pickup. He can be a benefit in short yardage and he is in better shape than when he was with NYG.

Won't hurt. Hopefully will help.

ItsAJtime
09-04-2006, 07:11 AM
learn to trust Kubiak and his coaches. This is not Capers (Mr. we were tied at one point in the game, so we were in it). Have you ever thought that these may not be Denver rejects as much as guys telling Shannahan that they would like to play for Kubiak and the Texans. Kubiak is well respected and these guys might be requesting their way here. It could be possible that Denver doesn't completely need these guys, so why not help a guy that has served your team so well.

Get behind your Texans for at least 5 games people. Quit hating and second guessiing for a little while.:yahoo:

Rodman91
09-04-2006, 07:13 AM
"Get behind your Texans for at least 5 games people. Quit hating and second guessiing for a little while."

Well, many will jump off after the beating the Eagles hand out in 6 days...

HOOK'EM
09-04-2006, 08:00 AM
I think Dayne is a great pick up for us.

nunusguy
09-04-2006, 08:02 AM
""He gives us a real bruiser," Kubiak said. "He can pound the ball. He's got more size than our other two."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4161366.html
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I dunno, but guess we'll have to trust Kubiak on this one because I've heard
a lot of people say that Dayne, in spite of his size, "is not" a hard runner ?

Kaiser Toro
09-04-2006, 08:38 AM
learn to trust Kubiak and his coaches. This is not Capers (Mr. we were tied at one point in the game, so we were in it). Have you ever thought that these may not be Denver rejects as much as guys telling Shannahan that they would like to play for Kubiak and the Texans. Kubiak is well respected and these guys might be requesting their way here. It could be possible that Denver doesn't completely need these guys, so why not help a guy that has served your team so well.

Get behind your Texans for at least 5 games people. Quit hating and second guessiing for a little while.:yahoo:

I disagree. Kubiak has done a terrific job to date and this signing does not put us over the top or set us back. It is transaction that takes up one of the last roster spots for a one position player (no ST for Dayne). Character, weight and lack of success running the ball have been the hallmarks of this player in the NFL. Outside of playing for the Broncos and knowing the ZBS for one year I still do not see any value in this player to this team today.

BigDTexansFan
09-04-2006, 08:40 AM
Ron Dayne is washed up. If he couldn't make it in Denver, he will make it NOWHERE!

:cowboy1:

that seals it, he will be GREAT. Eagles are ones who signed TO, so they know NOTHING about talent....LMAO

SM19
09-04-2006, 09:51 AM
I dunno, but guess we'll have to trust Kubiak on this one because I've heard a lot of people say that Dayne, in spite of his size, "is not" a hard runner ?

Yep. Imagine if a mad scientist transplanted Barry Sanders' brain into Jerome Bettis' body. That's the way Ron Dayne runs.

cuppacoffee
09-04-2006, 10:22 AM
I heard Texans are picking up QB Van Pelt too from Denver

I am sure that Kubiak would love to have him here, but will have a problem fitting him in.

It seems to be the trend to carry only two QBs.

I won't be suprised if he finds a way though.

:coffee:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
09-04-2006, 10:44 AM
Here are some clips of Dayne and Putzier against the Cowboys last season...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lopq95lI6LA

Vinny
09-04-2006, 11:06 AM
Yep. Imagine if a mad scientist transplanted Barry Sanders' brain into Jerome Bettis' body. That's the way Ron Dayne runs.Using two hall of famers to decribe the way Dayne runs is not fitting. To me, he is just a more talented Jon Wells.

South Texan
09-04-2006, 11:15 AM
Sorry if someone covered this on this thread or somewhere else... but can he block, pick up the blitz, etc. and can he catch the ball? Seems that with his size and experience he might be a good at picking up blitzes and if he can catch as a saftey valve, this could be a good pickup for us.

Sidenote: I would love it if he decides to play to potential this year and out performs Reggie. :yikes: Yeah, I know, fat chance, but I still like to dream.

powerfuldragon
09-04-2006, 11:18 AM
Yep. Imagine if a mad scientist transplanted Barry Sanders' brain into Jerome Bettis' body. That's the way Ron Dayne runs.
i'm sorry, i know it's your first post and everything, but that's a terrible analogy.

brncoz1fan
09-04-2006, 11:30 AM
Come on Texans!! Dayne is not "prone" to injuries. He recovered from turf toe by the Arizona game and yet to find any other injury in his past. He has an unbelievable amount of fans pulling for him. I was hoping he would have had the chance here to make up for all the negative people out there. Since Elway and T. Davis have been gone and the memories of our last Super Bowl win have been fading Dayne could have been a new "feel good" story. Now I find myself on a Texans board even though I have been a DIEHARD Broncos fan for 26 years. I am telling you watch any game footage with Dayne and yes it is limited but the guy doesn't fumble and gets it done. It seems more and more in the NFL that defenses are leaner, quicker and more athletic and tougher for smaller, quicker RBs to get through, especially to break out into any long runs. I am really hoping within in the next months that MasterMind Shanny is once again shaking his head for letting another great RB go. The guy is a quiet, humble man off the field and you won't be hearing about any crazy drama in his personal life. This guy has been so underused in the NFL and has played so little that even though he is 28 he has some good years left on him. Doesn't faith and hope exist anymore amongst football fans? Or have we all grown up and find it easier to be negative and pessimistic. Goodness I hate to say this and hope I don't get busted by anyone from the Bronco Boards but wouldn't it be something if the Houston Texans actully made it to the Super Bowl.

cuppacoffee
09-04-2006, 12:16 PM
Come on Texans!! Dayne is not "prone" to injuries. He recovered from turf toe by the Arizona game and yet to find any other injury in his past. He has an unbelievable amount of fans pulling for him. I was hoping he would have had the chance here to make up for all the negative people out there. Since Elway and T. Davis have been gone and the memories of our last Super Bowl win have been fading Dayne could have been a new "feel good" story. Now I find myself on a Texans board even though I have been a DIEHARD Broncos fan for 26 years. I am telling you watch any game footage with Dayne and yes it is limited but the guy doesn't fumble and gets it done. (#1)..It seems more and more in the NFL that defenses are leaner, quicker and more athletic and tougher for smaller, quicker RBs to get through, especially to break out into any long runs. I am really hoping within in the next months that MasterMind Shanny is once again shaking his head for letting another great RB go. (#2)..The guy is a quiet, humble man off the field and you won't be hearing about any crazy drama in his personal life. This guy has been so underused in the NFL and has played so little that even though he is 28 he has some good years left on him. (#3)..Doesn't faith and hope exist anymore amongst football fans? Or have we all grown up and find it easier to be negative and pessimistic. Goodness I hate to say this and hope I don't get busted by anyone from the Bronco Boards but wouldn't it be something if the Houston Texans actully made it to the Super Bowl.


Point 1..Exactly what the pro Mario vs. Bush posters on this board have been proclaiming since the draft.

Point 2..It has been a trademark of the Texans to place a premium on character. Unlike our rivals to the north, we will not compromise our principles.

Point 3..The sky has been falling for at least two years around here. It's really a micro-wave society now. Must... have... instant... results.
(I've been hit by a few chunks of sky myself)

I think most fans gravitate toward a favorite player or two.

I hated to see Seth Wand let go. I think the guy was fighting hard to overcome a serious lack of coaching since he got here.

We will make it to the super bowl. ..:yahoo:

Maybe not this year..but real soon. :trophy:

:twocents:

Good post, come back anytime.


:coffee:

RiotCommander
09-04-2006, 12:22 PM
To those who are willing to give Dayne a chance. You are going to have to ignore a lot of people. Most of the media has written him off long ago as a bust. Much like they write off our team. The guy has been signed as a Texan, and how ever much I may not like the idea I will cheer for him while he is here.


The thing that gives me hope is Kubiak has gotten to see the guy last year in Denver so he obviously knows what he is getting. Its not a knee jerk reaction. He has done so many things right why doubt him now?


:soldier:

Snapple
09-04-2006, 12:51 PM
Ron Dayne is a huge draft bust. Any time someone uses the words "Ron Dayne" and "NFL" in the same sentence, usually there's a "lol" in there somewhere.

Yeah, he had some good carries in Denver, but Ron Dayne is usually stated as one of the primary examples of how Denver can make any crappy RB look like a star behind that line.

I just hope we didn't pay much for him.

TheOgre
09-04-2006, 12:54 PM
For a #3 back, Dayne is fine. Lets not try to turn this acquisition into anything else.

O.G.
09-04-2006, 02:18 PM
For a #3 back, Dayne is fine. Lets not try to turn this acquisition into anything else.

Exactly, it is what it is, a roster selection for a 3rd string back that has some use and power.

bigTEXan8
09-04-2006, 02:22 PM
I dont know why, but I'm excited to see the pick up of Dayne. Someone that I think could pick up the short yardage situations and goal line TDs. That's all I think.

The Pencil Neck
09-04-2006, 02:29 PM
Exactly, it is what it is, a roster selection for a 3rd string back that has some use and power.

And who already knows the system.

phantom17
09-04-2006, 02:36 PM
I think Ron Dayne is a nice pick up, a 245lbs veteran RB who knows the system & thrived under coach Kubiak! Now, put C. Taylor in the practice squad along wit D. Andersen ( hope clears waivers)!:) :yikes:

powerfuldragon
09-04-2006, 03:18 PM
i wouldn't say he thrived under kubes.

phantom17
09-04-2006, 04:08 PM
i wouldn't say he thrived under kubes.


I think he's just a nice pick up, nothing to jump up & down, but if he can help during short yardage situation or just to wear down the opposing D than I'm all for it!:) Plus Coach K & Smith must like him to sign him! we shall see!

phan1
09-04-2006, 05:54 PM
I personnally don't like the pickup. But I remind myself that he'll likely not see the field behing Lundy and Morency. Mostly because I don't see him very much as a high character guy.

michaelm
09-04-2006, 05:58 PM
I personnally don't like the pickup. But I remind myself that he'll likely not see the field behing Lundy and Morency. Mostly because I don't see him very much as a high character guy.

I didn't know there was ever any question about his character. Can you elaborate?

Kaiser Toro
09-04-2006, 06:20 PM
I didn't know there was ever any question about his character. Can you elaborate?

I can only speak to my own experience in between him finishing his season with Wisconsin and getting prepared for the NFL draft. He was not exactly the type of guy a reputable agency looking to diversify its clientele (basketball to football) would want to take on as one of its first football clients. Outside of that his play on the field given his expectations, based upon his collegiate results, fell right in line where I thought he would end up in the NFL, a back up journeyman.

I hope he succeeds as a Texan on the field, off the field and in the locker room, but I am not holding my breath.

Wolf
09-04-2006, 06:33 PM
While with the Broncos, Dayne rushed for 270 yards on 53 carries (5.1 average). At 245 pounds, he becomes the heaviest tailback on the roster, an attribute that may give him playing time in short yardage and goalline situations.


http://www.houstonprofootball.com/


I am not thrilled with the signing, but maybe he will prove me wrong

edo783
09-04-2006, 06:40 PM
It's just the #3 back up back. Not much to talk about IMO.

vtech9
09-04-2006, 07:43 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/


I am not thrilled with the signing, but maybe he will prove me wrong
I am less than excited about this pick also. One of the knocks against Dayne while he was with the Giants was that despite his size, he did not run heavy. Basically the same thing Vinny has been harping on about J. Wells.

brncoz1fan
09-04-2006, 09:18 PM
I can only speak to my own experience in between him finishing his season with Wisconsin and getting prepared for the NFL draft. He was not exactly the type of guy a reputable agency looking to diversify its clientele (basketball to football) would want to take on as one of its first football clients. Outside of that his play on the field given his expectations, based upon his collegiate results, fell right in line where I thought he would end up in the NFL, a back up journeyman.

I hope he succeeds as a Texan on the field, off the field and in the locker room, but I am not holding my breath.


You clearly don't know anything about Dayne personally or professionally. Do some research and get back to the boards. You are vague because you don't know anything about him. By the way it is the end of 2006!

Texanfan4ever
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
You clearly don't know anything about Dayne personally or professionally. Do some research and get back to the boards. You are vague because you don't know anything about him. By the way it is the end of 2006!

Props to you for giving him your blessing. I'm sure if Kubiak thinks we need him, then we need him. Especially since he KNOWS him. I am a total Kubiak homer, he is my hero, and I BELIEVE!

I kind of feel a kindred spirit with you guys, since we have several of your coaches, your players, your scheme. Hope we can do as much with it as you all have. Kubes has brought our spirit back here to Houston. We are excited and expecting GREAT things!!!

Have a great year!!!

phan1
09-04-2006, 11:09 PM
Just browse the Bronco's boards and you'll see why Dayne, while not a bad guy, isn't really a good locker-room type of guy. I mean he was given the starting job in Denver and totally blew it. Also, draft busts are usually known for their lack of character or maturity. I'm probably reaching hear, but I just really don't like the thought of picking up Denver's trash. You are talking about going from the #1 RB to being waivered. That's pretty low. And have you seen Denver's RB situation lately? They're situation is probably worse than ours! The thought that just any Denver RB can get 1000 yds have been really overrated, cause they've had pretty backs. It's just not worth the price to keep them. Tatum Bell is a 2nd round pick, so I think they've had some good RBs come through. Heck, I think they're still out looking for backs right now.

But like I said, he's a 3rd string RB and it's not going to affect this team any I hope.

infantrycak
09-04-2006, 11:24 PM
I mean he was given the starting job in Denver and totally blew it.

The dude is not going to transform the franchise, but c'mon--he had turf toe and got caught up in a numbers game--he didn't "blow it."

vtech9
09-04-2006, 11:50 PM
The dude is not going to transform the franchise, but c'mon--he had turf toe and got caught up in a numbers game--he didn't "blow it."
Isn't that the same thing that happened to Stacey Mack when he was here? Mack had turf toe in preseason, and it basically lingered long enough for DD to take over the starting job. Mack is out of the league now, and he had a much better history as a short yardage/power back than Dayne has. The turf toe in essence ended Macks season, and ultimately his carreer, since it kept him out long enough to lose the starting job. It is rumored that Dayne is still having problems with turf toe. If it is true or not, I don't know. What I do know is that I have never been impressed with Dayne, and would much rather have Chris Taylor on the roster.

kingh99
09-05-2006, 12:29 AM
I am less than excited about this pick also. One of the knocks against Dayne while he was with the Giants was that despite his size, he did not run heavy. Basically the same thing Vinny has been harping on about J. Wells.

Some running backs take time to develop. Take the Bus, Jerome Bettis. Three years in the league and the Rams let him go. He was all washed up :).

Hervoyel
09-05-2006, 12:36 AM
I think what it comes down to is that Houston is the right place for Ron Dayne and Ron Dayne is the right guy for Houston right now. No coach is going to want to start a season without any experience in the backfield. "Rookie, Rookie, Second Year" is not what they want to see on the depth chart. They want to see someone back there who has played at this level and not completely screwed the pooch. Remember when Wells was a rookie and he started putting the rock on the ground?

In 2002 we went out and got James Allen for the exact same reason we signed Ron Dayne; experience. It's the only reason Antowain Smith was even in camp. He's a nice guy and all but even with Domanick Davis injured nobody really thought Smith would win the starting spot did they?

Ron Dayne may still have some turf toe bothering him and more than likely that's fine. Lundy and Morency are going to be given every opportunity to be the "Denver-esque 1200 yard back of the year" and whichever one of them seizes the opportunity and makes the most of it will get the majority of carries.

In the very unlikely event that neither one of them is able to get it done then there sits Ron Dayne. He's well versed in the offense, had time to heal is turf toe, and he can fill the role if need be.

Thinking about this for a moment I'm not entirely certain that Ron Dayne is the hopeless case that so many people make him out to be. He's played in five seasons and missed one. The past two years he's had around 50 carries a year and switched teams once. His four years in New York look to me to be wasted time. He seems to have shown up just as Tiki Barber was blowing up.

Look a another guy who came into the league in 2000 and busted. Thomas Jones. He had his first thousand yard season in 2005 and after playing three years in Arizona he finally went somewhere that suited him. Change of scenery and suddenly this bust is averaging over four yards a carry and a marketable player in free agency.

The Saints and Eagles trolls we're seeing this week are enjoying their chance to laugh at the signing and that's fine but we shouldn't just write Dayne off completely. He's considered quality depth by us but Smith could have provided that. The more I think about it the more I believe that Kubiak believes that Dayne is a sure thing in this offense. He knows exactly what he just got by bringing him in and I believe that if Lundy and/or Morency don't go out there and get it done they'll find themselves behind Dayne pretty quickly.

nsdogg
09-05-2006, 02:36 AM
Point 1..Exactly what the pro Mario vs. Bush posters on this board have been proclaiming since the draft.

Point 2..It has been a trademark of the Texans to place a premium on character. Unlike our rivals to the north, we will not compromise our principles.

I think most fans gravitate toward a favorite player or two.

We will make it to the super bowl. ..:yahoo:

Maybe not this year..but real soon. :trophy:

:twocents:

Good post, come back anytime.


:coffee:

Reggie Bush was prob the best bet for Texans. We were in a jam and needed someone that we knew wouldn't hold out for more money. Williams was the best choice for us as we didn't want to spit out money for a prime RB that would boost ticket sales and merchandise.

T.O. has done very well for every team he has played for, although he has cause problems, each team has done well with him on their squad. 49ers are nothing without him and the Eagles haven't been able to match the numbers him and mcnabb put up the year he was there. They would have been the ultimate matchup that year, but Manning and his receivers outdid them.

The Texans are not on the road for a trophy in anytime soon, although it would be nice to see it, Carr is too rattled and there isn't a playmaker RB/WR. Defense is great, we know this from the Ravens (Ray Lewis), but you still need an offense that will produce.

I think Ron Dayne will do well, i even traded for him in my fantasy football league

thunderkyss
09-05-2006, 07:25 AM
The Texans are not on the road for a trophy in anytime soon, although it would be nice to see it, Carr is too rattled and there isn't a playmaker RB/WR. Defense is great, we know this from the Ravens (Ray Lewis), but you still need an offense that will produce.



Do you believe any team without Reggie Bush has a playmaker RB/WR??

Just asking, because you've already written off two ProBowl Wide Recievers.

Just because they aren't named Bush doesn't mean they aren't playmakers.

bigTEXan8
09-05-2006, 10:50 AM
I got this crazy feeling that Dayne is going to be starting for the Texans by the end of the year. He knows Kubiak's system and running style. I think that he will end up seeing 50% of the running plays by seasons end, with the other getting split between Lundy and Morency. I'd prefer to see Morency as the feature back...but that's just because I'm loyal to a fault.

real
09-05-2006, 10:56 AM
I got this crazy feeling that Dayne is going to be starting for the Texans by the end of the year. He knows Kubiak's system and running style. I think that he will end up seeing 50% of the running plays by seasons end, with the other getting split between Lundy and Morency. I'd prefer to see Morency as the feature back...but that's just because I'm loyal to a fault.

I really hope Dayne doesn't become our starting back...Not because I think he sucks...but because I think at this point Morency and Lundy have more upside...

Vinny
09-05-2006, 11:06 AM
I really hope Dayne doesn't become our starting back...Not because I think he sucks...but because I think at this point Morency and Lundy have more upside...
I agree. If Dayne is the starter while Morency and Lundy come off the bench we need to draft the best back in the draft next year...because Dayne is a journeyman.

HOU-TEX
09-05-2006, 11:09 AM
I agree. If Dayne is the starter while Morency and Lundy come off the bench we need to draft the best back in the draft next year...because Dayne is a journeyman.

IMO, Dayne is no more than a third and short RB. What do ya'll think?

Vinny
09-05-2006, 11:13 AM
IMO, Dayne is no more than a third and short RB. What do ya'll think?I don't consider him a tough inside runner. I just consider him a serviceable back that knows the system. I think Kubiak wanted a vet to back up the young guys...and when Dayne was available as a guy who knows the system and is good enough to back up a quality starter we snagged him. He is a kicked up Jon Wells imo. He has a bit quicker feet and is a bit more of a slasher than Wells is.

Dime
09-05-2006, 11:20 AM
In addition, it is always better to have a vet on the roster to help mold the newbies. Eric Moulds (heheh molds) has not just helped take off pressure on the line for AJ, but helps him learn from one who was in the pro-bowl himself. Can you imagine a better teacher then someone grown u with the game? I see th same with Sage, and Dayne, and even Flahagan

powerfuldragon
09-05-2006, 12:12 PM
IMO, Dayne is no more than a third and short RB. What do ya'll think?
...that's what kubiak said.

DayneBum
09-05-2006, 01:23 PM
What u guys need to know, is that Dayne is not the type of player that will be productive 2 carries every 4 series. He needs 25-30 carries a game. its what he did in college and the 3 games he was the featured back in NYG. He's probably only had 20t carries 3 or4 times in his entire NFL career. Larry Johnson said over the weekend on some radio Station that he needs 20 carries just toget warmed up. If Lundy and Morency dont produce look for Kubiak to put Dayne in with no hesitation. He's has never been used in the way he was in college at all, in but 3 games when he was with NYG. In those 3 games that he was the featured back(Tiki WAS injured) his stats were 58car 337yds 3tds, w/ a 5.3 avg......so if he gets the carries you'll see the numbers. Not 2 carries every 4 series. He wont let u down.:yahoo:

SESupergenius
09-05-2006, 02:11 PM
What u guys need to know, is that Dayne is not the type of player that will be productive 2 carries every 4 series. He needs 25-30 carries a game. its what he did in college and the 3 games he was the featured back in NYG. He's probably only had 20t carries 3 or4 times in his entire NFL career. Larry Johnson said over the weekend on some radio Station that he needs 20 carries just toget warmed up. If Lundy and Morency dont produce look for Kubiak to put Dayne in with no hesitation. He's has never been used in the way he was in college at all, in but 3 games when he was with NYG. In those 3 games that he was the featured back(Tiki WAS injured) his stats were 58car 337yds 3tds, w/ a 5.3 avg......so if he gets the carries you'll see the numbers. Not 2 carries every 4 series. He wont let u down.:yahoo:
I agree, I think that if Dayne were available in the offseason Kubiak would have signed him right away and he may have been pushing for the starting role right now. Daynes stats are very misleading in that he rushed for short yardage a ton of times to skew that stat. He's going to get many goal line chances if his turf toe heals. But that is the thing that bothers me, he has turf toe and it won't be healed for many weeks, if at all.

Bobo
09-05-2006, 03:00 PM
from ffmastermind.com

http://ffmastermind.com/quickbits.php



Edit: link from the Denver Post

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4283422

The difference between Ron Dayne and Antowaine Smith in one word: Nepotism.

DayneBum
09-05-2006, 03:14 PM
I agree, I think that if Dayne were available in the offseason Kubiak would have signed him right away and he may have been pushing for the starting role right now. Daynes stats are very misleading in that he rushed for short yardage a ton of times to skew that stat. He's going to get many goal line chances if his turf toe heals. But that is the thing that bothers me, he has turf toe and it won't be healed for many weeks, if at all.

i wish it wasnt called turf toe. People get mislead by the name, and figure its a minor injury. But its so major. It should be call torn toe ligaments. He's never been ijured seriously in his nfl or college career. i really hope he can bounce back from this, so he can put all the doubters to rest. But we'll just have to seeidonno:

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2006, 03:19 PM
I agree, I think that if Dayne were available in the offseason Kubiak would have signed him right away and he may have been pushing for the starting role right now. Daynes stats are very misleading in that he rushed for short yardage a ton of times to skew that stat. He's going to get many goal line chances if his turf toe heals. But that is the thing that bothers me, he has turf toe and it won't be healed for many weeks, if at all.

Turf toe is especially worrisome in a player like a short yardage runner who has to traction "push" with his toes for that extra yard or two, not atypically against a 1000 pound wall. Turf toe is not usually "healed" in a few weeks and easily recurs.........it has taken down many a good men.........look at the classic course it took in the Tack's work horse Eddie George....he went from best thing since buttered bread to soured milk in no time. But we have to wait to see.

real
09-05-2006, 03:26 PM
Didn't neon Deon get over turf toe ? I think he even intercepted Jake Plummer while hobbling from turf toe...

SESupergenius
09-05-2006, 03:37 PM
Turf toe is not usually "healed" in a few weeks and easily recurs.........it has taken down many a good men.
Exaclty how do you recover from this?

Snapple
09-05-2006, 04:40 PM
Some running backs take time to develop. Take the Bus, Jerome Bettis. Three years in the league and the Rams let him go. He was all washed up :).

Wow. That was the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

Jerome Bettis is a first ballot HoFer. He played well in St. Louis, where he made the Pro Bowl TWICE (in 93 and 94) and he was TRADED, not CUT, to the Steelers, which was a mistake. Jerome Bettis has never been cut. Ron Dayne has been released by two teams now.

Jerome Bettis is arguably the greatest power back of all time, the closest thing to a sure thing on 3rd and 1 that there has ever been. Ron Dayne has never been able to run hard in the pros. He's been bullied by defenders that are smaller than him, never looked even slightly like his Heisman self, and that's why the Giants gave up on him.

You said some backs take time to develop. Jerome Bettis didn't take any time to develop. He made the pro bowl in 3 of his first 4 years in the NFL. Ron Dayne is enterring his SEVENTH SEASON, and has made ZERO pro bowls. If he hasn't learned how to run by now, especially when he was playing for Denver, he never will.

There is absolutely, positively zero comparison between the pro careers of Bettis and Dayne. None.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2006, 06:15 PM
Didn't neon Deon get over turf toe ? I think he even intercepted Jake Plummer while hobbling from turf toe...
Deion limped through and barely made it through the 1999 season before going to surgery for repair of his turf toe. He was never able to come back after that and in 2000 was forced to retired specifically because of ongoing problems related to his turf toe.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2006, 06:24 PM
Exaclty how do you recover from this?

Most of the time, it's rest, ice, etc..in other words conservative treatment. Then footwear, orthotics etc for foot support when "pushing off." Many times these athletes must be fitted with Metal soles so that no hyperextension of the joint is possible. But these are not a very natural feel for an RB (vs. a lineman), and weakness in the joint, supported or not, can lead to compromised performance. If the aforementioned measures fail, surgery on the ligaments must be performed. Potential problems even not uncommon after repair, are persistent weakness, instability and pain. But given enough time.........i.e., a year or 2, some of these players eventually strengthen enough to try to make it back.

DayneBum
09-06-2006, 08:55 AM
Wow. That was the worst analogy I've heard in a long time.

Jerome Bettis is a first ballot HoFer. He played well in St. Louis, where he made the Pro Bowl TWICE (in 93 and 94) and he was TRADED, not CUT, to the Steelers, which was a mistake. Jerome Bettis has never been cut. Ron Dayne has been released by two teams now.

Jerome Bettis is arguably the greatest power back of all time, the closest thing to a sure thing on 3rd and 1 that there has ever been. Ron Dayne has never been able to run hard in the pros. He's been bullied by defenders that are smaller than him, never looked even slightly like his Heisman self, and that's why the Giants gave up on him.

You said some backs take time to develop. Jerome Bettis didn't take any time to develop. He made the pro bowl in 3 of his first 4 years in the NFL. Ron Dayne is enterring his SEVENTH SEASON, and has made ZERO pro bowls. If he hasn't learned how to run by now, especially when he was playing for Denver, he never will.

There is absolutely, positively zero comparison between the pro careers of Bettis and Dayne. None.

First off, u make some good points in your post. But i'm gonna give u some free game on Dayne. The Guy has never been used like he was in college. He's probably carried the ball 20+ times in about 3 or 4 games in his nfl career. Dayne is not a jerome Bettis/ TJ Duckett kind of guy. He may have the size, but he's not that type of runner. He needs 25-30 carries a game in order for you to see the power and talent he has. He gets better as the game goes on. Most Featured backs in this league need about 15-20 carries just to get warmed up. Dayne will run people over and run with authority but he wont do it 2 carries every 2-4 series. Like the Giants used him. Now he was the featured back in NY for 3 games due to Tiki being hurt, and his numbers were 58car, 337yds, and 3td's w/ an avg of 5.3per car. You feed him the ball you will get results. I dont understand why teams dont utilize his skills and talents in this way. He won the heisman by carrying the ball 30-35 times a game. He once carried the rock 50times in a single game during his college career. And not only does he hold the NCAA rushing title but carries as well. Hopefully he will get the fair opportutnity that he's been desparatley needing, here in Houston.:gotexans1

PapaL
09-06-2006, 09:39 AM
He won the heisman by carrying the ball 30-35 times a game. He once carried the rock 50times in a single game during his college career. And not only does he hold the NCAA rushing title but carries as well.

He won the Heiman by running behind a mamoth NFL type line (Aaron Gibson and V) and being in a run first, second, and third down type offense. His skill played some role in it, but put most college RBs behind that line for 4 years and they would also win a Heisman and rushing title.

DayneBum
09-06-2006, 10:36 AM
He won the Heiman by running behind a mamoth NFL type line (Aaron Gibson and V) and being in a run first, second, and third down type offense. His skill played some role in it, but put most college RBs behind that line for 4 years and they would also win a Heisman and rushing title.

but how many backs you think can be that durable for so long, and take all the pounding and beating done upon them. Its only about a handful i say. he didnt win the Heisman untill his Senior year so it wasnt that easy. The Conference he was in is probably the best or most dominant in college. I dont think to many backs could of worn down the defenses the way he did.:howdy:

PapaL
09-06-2006, 10:42 AM
but how many backs you think can be that durable for so long, and take all the pounding and beating done upon them. Its only about a handful i say. he didnt win the Heisman untill his Senior year so it wasnt that easy. The Conference he was in is probably the best or most dominant in college. I dont think to many backs could of worn down the defenses the way he did.:howdy:

When the first person trying to tackle you is a DB, like was the case with Dayne at WIS, chances are very good.

thunderkyss
09-06-2006, 10:53 AM
When the first person trying to tackle you is a DB, like was the case with Dayne at WIS, chances are very good.

So is it your contention that Wisconsin stumbled on this formual for those 4 years, or has Wisconsin been churning out 6000 yard rushers under the radar??

PapaL
09-06-2006, 11:26 AM
So is it your contention that Wisconsin stumbled on this formual for those 4 years, or has Wisconsin been churning out 6000 yard rushers under the radar??

My contention is that running behind behind that oline, an average back could do spectacular things. Ron Dayne is a product of the WIS Oline, not the other way around.

SconnieGuy
09-06-2006, 11:32 AM
My contention is that running behind behind that oline, an average back could do spectacular things. Ron Dayne is a product of the WIS Oline, not the other way around.


I have seen just about every snap of Ron Dayne's career - both college and pro - and I can tell you that the Texans may have lucked out big time by getting him.

I went to Wisconsin and as a season ticket holder, I saw him in play in person at least 2 dozen times. I also get the NFL sunday ticket. Here are some things everyone should know:

1) Despite what some others have implied here, he is a great character guy. He has always put the team ahead of himself (which has ironically hurt his NFL career somewhat). Many people have perceived that lack of ego as lack of agressiveness.

2) He needs a bunch of carries to be effective, and he gets stronger and stronger as a game proceeds.

3)Yes, he had a very good O-line in college, but the majority of his yards also came after contact. If he gets through the line he has an amazing burst and great vision.

4) The Giants never knew what to do with him and they should have never drafted him. Tiki was considered to be a mediocre back at best until they drafted Dayne. Tiki continued to get better and better and their running scheme is built for a cutback type of runner. The Broncos and now the Texans use a zone blocking scheme which is exactly what Dayne flourished in during college. (Editor's note: Jim Fassell is a moran).

5) He is NOT a short-yardage/goaline only back. That's what the Giants tried to do with him. Every time he went in, the defense knew exactly what play they Giants were going to run. And, his pass catching ability is still an unknown. The Badgers never really passed to the RBs back then, and he hasn't played enough as a pro as an every down back to know.

6) He performed very well for the Broncos last year when given the opportunity and was the key reason they beat both San Diego and Dallas.

7) He has not had any major injuries/surgeries and their is still a lot of tread on the old tires. Had this toe problem not occured during camp, he would still be a Bronco and he'd probably have gotten the bulk of the carries for them.

PapaL
09-06-2006, 11:44 AM
I have seen just about every snap of Ron Dayne's career - both college and pro - and I can tell you that the Texans may have lucked out big time by getting him.

I went to Wisconsin and as a season ticket holder, I saw him in play in person at least 2 dozen times. I also get the NFL sunday ticket. Here are some things everyone should know:

1) Despite what some others have implied here, he is a great character guy. He has always put the team ahead of himself (which has ironically hurt his NFL career somewhat). Many people have perceived that lack of ego as lack of agressiveness.

2) He needs a bunch of carries to be effective, and he gets stronger and stronger as a game proceeds.

3)Yes, he had a very good O-line in college, but the majority of his yards also came after contact. If he gets through the line he has an amazing burst and great vision.

4) The Giants never knew what to do with him and they should have never drafted him. Tiki was considered to be a mediocre back at best until they drafted Dayne. Tiki continued to get better and better and their running scheme is built for a cutback type of runner. The Broncos and now the Texans use a zone blocking scheme which is exactly what Dayne flourished in during college. (Editor's note: Jim Fassell is a moran).

5) He is NOT a short-yardage/goaline only back. That's what the Giants tried to do with him. Every time he went in, the defense knew exactly what play they Giants were going to run. And, his pass catching ability is still an unknown. The Badgers never really passed to the RBs back then, and he hasn't played enough as a pro as an every down back to know.

6) He performed very well for the Broncos last year when given the opportunity and was the key reason they beat both San Diego and Dallas.

7) He has not had any major injuries/surgeries and their is still a lot of tread on the old tires. Had this toe problem not occured during camp, he would still be a Bronco and he'd probably have gotten the bulk of the carries for them.

1.) Wouldn't disagree with that statement

2.) In this league, you better be effective from the jump or you'll soon be looking for a new career.

3.) When your first contact is a DB and you weigh 250lbs, you better be getting some serious YAC.

4.) Wouldn't disagree with that statement

5.) That’s what I keep saying. Lots of people are saying Dayne is going to be our short yardage/power back. He has never been that type of back.

6.) Agree

7.) If the reason the Broncos let him go is because of turf toe, did it magically get healed on the day he was waived? Is this not an injury that is going to linger all season long?


Nice first post, welcome

Divebomb
09-06-2006, 11:55 AM
This will be a great post to come back and look over to see who supported the guy and who slammed the guy. I understand there is a lot of people who can not get over the fact that we passed on WR/KR Reggie Bush, and that is how I see him as, WR because he sucks as a RB so far this preseason. Dayne is now a Texan, and he gives us the needed depth at RB plus the experience factor is a big one. The best part about taking Dayne is that he can step in day one and understand the playbook with no problems. With this element, yea he is a great addition.

SconnieGuy
09-06-2006, 12:14 PM
2.) In this league, you better be effective from the jump or you'll soon be looking for a new career.


7.) If the reason the Broncos let him go is because of turf toe, did it magically get healed on the day he was waived? Is this not an injury that is going to linger all season long?


Nice first post, welcome

Thanks for the welcome.

7) If it truly is turf toe, it may be an ongoing problem, but it sounded like it was more of a bad sprain (like it got stepped on after a tackle or something like that). I think the fact that he barely played just made him the odd man out this preseason. The other guys - to their credit - stepped up when they got their chance. Shanahan may be regretting it later though.

As for 2), that's pretty much what happened to Dayne. There are only a few backs that would have been great no matter where they played (Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, etc.), but I think success is often the result of being in the right place at the right time and in a system that works for a player's particular talents. Tike blew up at the worst time for Dayne, but that is to Tiki's credit.

Dayne may or may not ever be a great NFL back, but I'd like to see him get a legitmate shot. The NY fans were ruthless (no kidding, eh), and a lot of what was written or said about him in the past was just not accurate.

I'm glad to see former Badger Owen Daniels is doing well too. He is just a good athlete with great hands. He's an excellent route runner and was always a good blocker in college too.

DayneBum
09-06-2006, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the welcome.

7) If it truly is turf toe, it may be an ongoing problem, but it sounded like it was more of a bad sprain (like it got stepped on after a tackle or something like that). I think the fact that he barely played just made him the odd man out this preseason. The other guys - to their credit - stepped up when they got their chance. Shanahan may be regretting it later though.

As for 2), that's pretty much what happened to Dayne. There are only a few backs that would have been great no matter where they played (Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, etc.), but I think success is often the result of being in the right place at the right time and in a system that works for a player's particular talents. Tike blew up at the worst time for Dayne, but that is to Tiki's credit.

Dayne may or may not ever be a great NFL back, but I'd like to see him get a legitmate shot. The NY fans were ruthless (no kidding, eh), and a lot of what was written or said about him in the past was just not accurate.

I'm glad to see former Badger Owen Daniels is doing well too. He is just a good athlete with great hands. He's an excellent route runner and was always a good blocker in college too.

Sconnieguy, to add to ur #2 satement. Denver really didnt give him a fair shot either. he never had no more than 13 carries with them. But he was effective every time he touched the ball with them last year. He goes into camp this year, gets demoted 9 days into camp, b/c an UDFA looks good in PRACTICE. WOW, PRACTICE. Dont get me wrong practice does make perfect, but c'mon, they werent even going full contact tackling. And what happens when the rookie gets in his 1st game. BOOOM!!!! pop goes the BAll. opening drive. Detroit turns around and capitalizes on the TO. And the injury just made it worse and now he's here. Denver South. The broncos are gonna regret what they did for real. B/c i dont think any team is gonna let a UDFA just have there way on them no matter who the team it is......:gotexans1

PapaL
09-06-2006, 12:46 PM
Sconnieguy, to add to ur #2 satement. Denver really didnt give him a fair shot either. he never had no more than 13 carries with them. But he was effective every time he touched the ball with them last year. He goes into camp this year, gets demoted 9 days into camp, b/c an UDFA looks good in PRACTICE. WOW, PRACTICE. Dont get me wrong practice does make perfect, but c'mon, they werent even going full contact tackling. And what happens when the rookie gets in his 1st game. BOOOM!!!! pop goes the BAll. opening drive. Detroit turns around and capitalizes on the TO. And the injury just made it worse and now he's here. Denver South. The broncos are gonna regret what they did for real. B/c i dont think any team is gonna let a UDFA just have there way on them no matter who the team it is......:gotexans1

Are you Allen Iverson?

DayneBum
09-06-2006, 01:54 PM
Are you Allen Iverson?


ROD, i didnt even think about the AI clips when i was writing that. I 4got about that entire press confrence. But i guess i am AI in tht matter. But c'mon man PRACTICE!! Are u serieous, We talking about PrACTICE! I would look good and impressive too if i was running against 3rd and 4th teamers and mainly guys who arent even gonna make any squad this year....Practice........Shanny must be out his damn mind for that move...............PRACTICE..........thats just ridiculous...They gonna be in for a long season with this practice hero as there back