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HoustonFrog
12-10-2006, 03:37 PM
I have to say..the guy is a WINNER. No matter, the Texans didn't do enough. Carr doesn't have a chance.

TexansSeminole
12-10-2006, 03:37 PM
Why the Carr bashing? Either you don't know football, or you are a member of VY's fan club and entourage. Carr did his part today. Defense had a lapse at the wrong time.

Congrats to the titans.

What's Carr's part? To not mess up? He did very little in this game.

jteg25
12-10-2006, 03:38 PM
ummm..yea..im a little sick. jeez i know vince won the game but how depressingly awful is to see him win the game in o.t..throw his helmet off and say "THIS IS MY HOUSE". Disgusted is just how i feel now thinking about how much of talk their is gonna be about vy is god...this trully sucks.:gun:

austintexanite
12-10-2006, 03:38 PM
no point in complainin boys, draft happened back in April, get over it.

Hervoyel
12-10-2006, 03:38 PM
There is one completely undeniable thing that can be said after watching the Texans behavior on this day and particularly in that final minute. Either Gary Kubiak has no idea what he's doing or he doesn't have even the slightest bit of faith in his QB. One of the two is without a doubt true.

Possibly both of them are true but it's far more likely that it's one or the other.

Vinny
12-10-2006, 03:39 PM
What's Carr's part? To not mess up? He did very little in this game.
Fully agreed. You play to win the game...not to just not mess up.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-10-2006, 03:39 PM
Mario Williams = Sam Bowie
Vince Young = Michael Jordan

Dr. Toro
12-10-2006, 03:39 PM
The Vick comparisons on VY are ridiculous... he's Jordan in cleats.

DC played very well, I hope everybody can put aside their vitriole and appreciate VY's greatness. No hate, just be proud for Houston's finest.

TexSon
12-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Carr didn't do anything terrible today, but he also did absolutely nothing to put carry this team to a win, either. Jeff Garcia can do the same for a whole lot less money.
Dayne was a much bigger reason this game was close.

MrMeToo
12-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Fully agreed. You play to win the game...not to just not mess up.

Yup. Carr is done.

jteg25
12-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Vince is beast. He has God on his side...Carr is Satan.:dance2:



HUH...???never seen G...O...D wearing a titans jersey

titansforever20
12-10-2006, 03:41 PM
hahahahaha ohh man..

TexansSeminole
12-10-2006, 03:41 PM
Fully agreed. You play to win the game...not to just not mess up.

Look at Carr's TDs in the 7 games. 1 TD 3 INTs 6 Fumbles. He is not even doing that well. Absolutely rediculous if we keep Carr at this point. With good QB play we could have won this game.

TexansSeminole
12-10-2006, 03:43 PM
Fully agreed. You play to win the game...not to just not mess up.

Look at Carr's meaningful statistics in the 7 games. 1 TD 3 INTs 6 Fumbles. He is not even doing that (not messing up) well. I'm sure his first downs are **** too. Absolutely rediculous if we keep Carr at this point. With good QB play we could have won this game.

wolfscar
12-10-2006, 03:43 PM
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HoustonFrog
12-10-2006, 03:43 PM
Why the Carr bashing? Either you don't know football, or you are a member of VY's fan club and entourage. Carr did his part today. Defense had a lapse at the wrong time.

Congrats to the titans.

His stats were good percentage wise but he still makes mistakes..crossing the line of scrimmage twice and they don't trust him..thus the run on 3rd down before the last FG. He dumps it off and still makes some of the same mistakes. Fact of the matter is, he just doesn't win. Today showed that some guys know how to win.

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 03:44 PM
Why the Carr bashing? Either you don't know football, or you are a member of VY's fan club and entourage. Carr did his part today. Defense had a lapse at the wrong time.

Congrats to the titans.

? ? ?

With 1 minute in the game, you decide to take a knee instead of trying to get into game winning field goal position? That says it all about confidence in your QB!

TexansSeminole
12-10-2006, 03:44 PM
Fully agreed. You play to win the game...not to just not mess up.

Look at Carr's meaningful statistics in the 7 games. 1 TD 3 INTs 6 Fumbles. He is not even doing that (not messing up) well. I'm sure his first downs are **** too. Absolutely rediculous if we keep Carr at this point. With good QB play we could have won this game.

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 03:45 PM
Why the Carr bashing? Either you don't know football, or you are a member of VY's fan club and entourage. Carr did his part today. Defense had a lapse at the wrong time.

Congrats to the titans.

? ? ?

With 1 minute in the game, you decide to take a knee instead of trying to get into game winning field goal position? That says it all about confidence in your QB!

rockabilly
12-10-2006, 03:45 PM
that was the worst possible ending I could have ever even dreamed up. worst thing that could possibly happen to the Texans.

That said, I am proud of my Texans. They battled really hard and showed me some heart today.

The coin toss didnt flip in their favor and lost. But when is the last time you have seen such a great game that the Texans participate in?

They look like an NFL team this year. Our defense is getting amazing. Our running game is coming around.

I knew this year wouldnt be a ride in the park. However we are headed in the right direction.

Imagine how much it sucked for me watching this game in a bar in Austin full of gay Vince Dung fans. Its a shame to hear so much cheering in Texas against a team named the Texans.

Baranghoori
12-10-2006, 03:45 PM
I can't believe it... i can't believe it... this is utter insanity (and nobody correct me on that stupid 'vinsanity' pun!).

I have officially become a Carr hater! Carr would have NEVER pulled that off! Not in 100 years! I'm sick and tired of Carr being an average to below average QB! I want a god damn winner!

At this point, i'd rather have Quinton Porter, or Van Pelt in there! Enough of Carr! I don't give a **** if all of you Carr supporters out there call me a fake fan. I'm anything but! I've stuck with this team through thick and thin for five god damn painful years, and i'm not gonna sit idly by, and watch some ***** with a score of 6 on the FREAKIN' WONDERLIC beat us with ease!

TexansSeminole
12-10-2006, 03:46 PM
Fully agreed. You play to win the game...not to just not mess up.

Look at Carr's meaningful statistics in the 7 games. 1 TD 3 INTs 6 Fumbles. He is not even doing that (not messing up) well. I'm sure his first downs are **** too. Absolutely rediculous if we keep Carr at this point. With good QB play we could have won this game.

wolfscar
12-10-2006, 03:46 PM
no point in complainin boys, draft happened back in April, get over it.

Amen

jteg25
12-10-2006, 03:46 PM
Vince is beast. He has God on his side...Carr is Satan.:dance2: HUH??..carr is satan..vince has god on his side..ok i think the vy man love has reached its limit. he played a good game with a great play at the end to take advantage of us..thats it..i will now go vomit and listen to music as loud as my stereo can go so i can become deaf and never here the vy is god statement again...thank you

Sportsfan
12-10-2006, 03:46 PM
BIGGEST slap in the franchise's face i've ever seen, period.
I'm bummed out my Texans lost but i gotta give props to Vince. The dude is a gamer and a team leader who will be a force to be reckoned with in the NFL for years to come.

TexanLen
12-10-2006, 03:48 PM
VY is a leader. That is the difference between him and Carr. VY DID win this game for his team. Look at the stats. Vince did more than Carr did. He did have a INT, but he was able to throw down field or run. :brickwall

MrMeToo
12-10-2006, 03:48 PM
HUH??..carr is satan..vince has god on his side..ok i think the vy man love has reached its limit. he played a good game with a great play at the end to take advantage of us..thats it..i will now go vomit and listen to music as loud as my stereo can go so i can become deaf and never here the vy is god statement again...thank you


CARR IS DONE!!!!:dance3:

CaptainPatriot
12-10-2006, 03:51 PM
Carr is finished. Get him out of here. This was the game to prove he was our guy and choked. It wasn't all his fault, but he's just not a winner. Vince is. VY is a leader and winner. Carr is a chump and a loser. The Texans made the biggest mistake of all time by not drafting him. It's gonna set the team back 10 years. Vince is beast. He has God on his side...Carr is Satan.:dance2:

Carr is just not a play maker! DC didn't have any INT's today but VY is just a play maker in the 4th Q! You can't compare the 2! Like I said in another thread when VY comes to town he will make Reliant his Rose Bowl and he proved it in his 1st time Here!!!! About to order my FAT HEAD VY Poster :highfive:

kfranco_utexas
12-10-2006, 03:51 PM
With all the bad rep that ive received about my man love for Vince... I think yall FINALLY realize what Ive known for a long time. Vince is the sheet.

Boy I wish we had him in Houston. Check out the Mario/Young picture they have on the chronicle. Im not amazed because Ive seen him do this repeatedly. But at the same time I feel sorry for the Texans fans who could have enjoyed watching him in a Texans uniform.

MrMeToo
12-10-2006, 03:52 PM
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7543/vyownsmariouu2.jpg

CLICK IT!!!LOL!!!LMAO!!! I didn't think Mario played today until I saw this pic.

coachemup
12-10-2006, 03:52 PM
Wow.. what a game. Admittedly, I never post, although I do have to admit that this game and this thread really stirred something in me. Watching the game, one thing kept popping in my head: "Carr has been asked to 'manage' the offense!"

You can't be consistently successful in the NFL "managing" games.

Wow.

The Dream
12-10-2006, 03:53 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again the Texans ARE STUPID for passing on Vince....it WAS a no brainer........VY just s#!ted on the entire texans organization...VY IS a winner!!!!

Maddict5
12-10-2006, 03:57 PM
The right thing to do is PLAY TO WIN. ONE MINUTE is plenty of time to go 60 yards....especially with a 4 win team in week 14


cos we're such a big play offence?:rolleyes:

im guessing had we done what you said it would've ended with the titans at midfield with 30 secs left:gun:

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 03:57 PM
CARR IS DONE!!!!:dance3:

Carr is done - but he's no Satan. Come on man. Sport is sport. Life is life. I am sure Carr loves GOD. So manlaw says "Do not call Carr Satan".

MrMeToo
12-10-2006, 03:59 PM
Carr is done - but he's no Satan. Come on man. Sport is sport. Life is life. I am sure Carr loves GOD. So manlaw says "Do not call Carr Satan".
It was a joke, but Carr does suck.

Roughnecks
12-10-2006, 04:03 PM
People are still going to put this lost on DC how stupid. I am not a Carr homer but come on he got the tem in fieldgoal range AJ should have took the ball up field in stead of trying to juke lower your head and run someone over. I can understand if DC missed the tackle on VY's run I could putting it on him if he held the wideout on that same drive I would even put it on him if he screwed up on speacial teams there in the fourth quarter but he was not on the field. With one minute left in the game and on our own 7 yard line people want them to go for it yes lets pass so if the wideouts drop the ball then the clock could stop give them great field position because well lets face it he could not punt the ball far enough to keep them out of fieldgoal range. Bottom line the defense played great but when it came down to it they blew it. I know it would not matter what DC would have done he could have gone 450 yards 4 TD rushed for 112 yards 2 TD made 14 tackles a FF,FR, 4 sacks 2 int 1 returned for a TD and a 43 yard punt and kick return average.

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 04:03 PM
It was a joke, but Carr does suck.
Got cha! and yes - he does suck. Think about it. he came from a different type of program than VY. He does not have a shred of confidence left in his body. It's time to cut our losses. As I have said before, 5 years is half a career. He's halfway done. But as a leader of this team - he's all the way done.

HoustonFan
12-10-2006, 04:04 PM
I just want to take the time to cuss out Bob Lanier for having Bud Adams pack up the Oilers and move them to Tennessee. Thanx you dumb *****. Next, I'd like to cuss out Charlie Casserly and Capers for not getting a decent veteran QB on the team for Carr to shadow in the beginning; then not doing a good job building a great offensive line. You lil' bastards. Bob McNair, I'm grateful to you bringing football back Houston, so I'm not gonna cuss you out. However..... DID YOU WATCH THE ROSE BOWL BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR???? You brought one hometown guy to coach. Why not bring the other hometown guy in to play??? You saw him pretty much defeat the USC Trojans by himself - more yards passing and rushing than the USC offense combined, BY HIMSELF!!!!!!

:brickwall Carr seems like a good person. And I know you want a good image for the team, but dammit I know you want to win. THE CITY OF HOUSTON wants to win, but carr is not the guy for the team. Y'all have ruined him. You were better off getting Vince or Bush in the draft. Please do not blow the '07 Draft. - Troy Smith, Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Tonn Ginn Jr., Kevin Kolb...

Basically it's time to go in a new direction.

El Amigo Invisible
12-10-2006, 04:07 PM
It is not David's fault . We had a chance to pick the best player in the draft and we declined. I gotta tell ya.. I knew if we passed on Reggie we would have to talk VY. It was hard to root against him today but what was hardest was watching him show the front office what a terrible mistake they made.

TexSon
12-10-2006, 04:08 PM
Brady Quinn

God no. He is pretty much a carbon copy of Carr. Doesn't come up with the big plays when the chips are down.
If Smith lasts till the second by some miracle, I would take him there. Or Kolb in the third.

kfranco_utexas
12-10-2006, 04:09 PM
"Basically it's time to go in a new direction."

I couldnt have said it beter myself. Time for a QB change.

Roughnecks
12-10-2006, 04:09 PM
All I want for Christmas is for the breaks to fall our way for a change no more chicken #%$& flags. It kills me and I do not complain about the zebras calls but for at lease half the season I have paid attention to their calls and man it is like if we even look like we could have touch a wide out they are going to throw a flag I am not one of those guys that say the NFL is against us but they should take a little closer look at how these games are being officiated.

HoustonFrog
12-10-2006, 04:13 PM
People are still going to put this lost on DC how stupid. I am not a Carr homer but come on he got the tem in fieldgoal range AJ should have took the ball up field in stead of trying to juke lower your head and run someone over. I can understand if DC missed the tackle on VY's run I could putting it on him if he held the wideout on that same drive I would even put it on him if he screwed up on speacial teams there in the fourth quarter but he was not on the field. With one minute left in the game and on our own 7 yard line people want them to go for it yes lets pass so if the wideouts drop the ball then the clock could stop give them great field position because well lets face it he could not punt the ball far enough to keep them out of fieldgoal range. Bottom line the defense played great but when it came down to it they blew it. I know it would not matter what DC would have done he could have gone 450 yards 4 TD rushed for 112 yards 2 TD made 14 tackles a FF,FR, 4 sacks 2 int 1 returned for a TD and a 43 yard punt and kick return average.

No one is putting the game all on Carr but here are the facts this far into his fifth season. With 3rd and 8 or whatever and a chance to go farther..not just take a FG to tie, the coach handed off. That right there shows their trust in Carr. He had two critical penalties(one that negated theirs) by going over the line of scrimmage. He still makes mistakes like not throwing it out of bounds. In general we don't have a QB that is a winner and who you say, "go win it for us." I'm not sure how else to put it.

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 04:14 PM
No one is putting the game all on Carr but here are the facts this far into his fifth season. With 3rd and 8 or whatever and a chance to go farther..not just take a FG to tie, the coach handed off. That right there shows their trust in Carr. He had two critical penalties(one that negated theirs) by going over the line of scrimmage. He still makes mistakes like not throwing it out of bounds. In general we don't have a QB that is a winner and who you say, "go win it for us." I'm not sure how else to put it.

Well said, Frog. Well said.

dtran04
12-10-2006, 04:22 PM
Sole reason why the Texans lost:

No Battle Red Jerseys.

Texas_Thrill
12-10-2006, 04:29 PM
No one is putting the game all on Carr but here are the facts this far into his fifth season. With 3rd and 8 or whatever and a chance to go farther..not just take a FG to tie, the coach handed off. That right there shows their trust in Carr. He had two critical penalties(one that negated theirs) by going over the line of scrimmage. He still makes mistakes like not throwing it out of bounds. In general we don't have a QB that is a winner and who you say, "go win it for us." I'm not sure how else to put it.

Agreed.

coachemup
12-10-2006, 04:34 PM
HoustonFrog-
I couldn't agree with you more. When you have a QB that's asked not to lose a game rather than one that you ask to "Go and win it!"... well, you don't have a situation that encourages a winning attitude. I'm afraid we (Texan Fans) are in for many years of that kind of team attitude.

By the way, can someone tell me why is CBS speaking to Casserly about anything?

TitansFan
12-10-2006, 05:05 PM
Sorry if this isn't the appropriate place, but I didn't see the use of starting a new thread just to say "good game."

You all played us tough; it very well could have gone the other way if you all had another possession.

Good luck the rest of the season!

GuerillaBlack
12-10-2006, 05:06 PM
This game hurt badly. It was pacCed in there, though. Imagine what it would have been like if Vince Young was here.

Honoring Earl 34
12-10-2006, 05:38 PM
LYB , it was a good game . I think our game plan was to not make mistakes and establish the run .... we did not turn the ball over they did twice . I don't believe they paid for their turnovers ( we punted ) .

It came down to who made the big plays at the end .

mashunter18
12-10-2006, 05:39 PM
Good game Texan fans. I see why you guys want Carr gone. Dayne looks pretty good..

Honoring Earl 34
12-10-2006, 05:48 PM
Good game Texan fans. I see why you guys want Carr gone. Dayne looks pretty good..

You guys would want to trade would you ?

Honoring Earl 34
12-10-2006, 05:59 PM
I think when you're at home and you get 10 pts for 2 turnovers you win .

kfranco_utexas
12-10-2006, 06:17 PM
So is carr officially out?!:yes:

Andrew6
12-10-2006, 06:18 PM
My PSLs are in section 121 is that considered close enough to the bullpen?

threetoedpete
12-10-2006, 06:41 PM
Good game Texan fans. I see why you guys want Carr gone. Dayne looks pretty good..

Yeah he was millimeters away from taking out another rookie the rest of the year. In terms of destruction...yeah he looks prety dang good. Now if he could unlesh that on the other team, we'd have something. There's a reason this guy keeps his bags packed.

Nice game thumb tacks. Great victory.

threetoedpete
12-10-2006, 06:43 PM
So is carr officially out?!:yes:

Only if you have ten million or so to help out Uncle Bob with his contract.

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 07:26 PM
Good game Texan fans. I see why you guys want Carr gone. Dayne looks pretty good..

Why did we go away from Dayne? That puzzles me!

Dyed_Luv_Ya_Blu
12-10-2006, 07:31 PM
:hides:IT'S JUST A QUESTION:hides:IT'S JUST A QUESTION:hides:IT'S JUST A QUESTION:hides:

Please, NOBODY bite my head off!
I'm only asking a question...

From the nfl.com game stats, it doesn't look like we made any major mistakes. Looks like we made 2 sacks on VY. No int's from Carr. Demeco blew up AGAIN! The halftime show on cbs said that Young had a long run during OT to seal the deal. Is this all there was too it?

I see plenty of negative threads on the boards, so I'm not going there!

Just trying to figure out what happened?

Did we "lose a close one," did the Tacks "just win" or did we "beat ourselves" again?

NOT stirring up trouble!

Hook a brother in Montana up with a little analysis or game summary.






1 - We played a heck of a close game. We made a few mistakes on defense, but those mistakes cost us;
2 - Mario disappeared today. Too much Babins and too little Peak on the line;
3 - We went away from Ron Dayne and he had a fantastic first half. It was not that he dissapeared, but the game calling went away from him in the 2nd half. He had like 80 yards in the first half;
4 - Moulds caught a pass for about 2 yards and he threw (slammed) the ball down. Andre does the same thing a little later. What does this say? "Why the heck did he pass the ball to me for a short gain when I was running a checkoff route".
5 - With 1 minute to go, could we not work the sidelines for at least a 45 - 49 yard field goal attempt to end the game rather than take 3 knees? That shows a lack of confidence in your QB.
6 - Thus, everyone lacks confidence in our on-field leadership - including the coaching staff and the players. But they are all troppers. However, you will see some changes. We'll get them next year.

TNTitan
12-10-2006, 07:50 PM
Good game guys, your defense scared me for 3 1/2 quarters. But never paniced knowing anything can happen with VY. Let's keep the rivelry up and both our teams get better soon. Tired of the Indy/Jags spoiling everything for us.

Good luck rest of the season

TNTitan

t_flare
12-10-2006, 08:21 PM
No one is putting the game all on Carr but here are the facts this far into his fifth season. With 3rd and 8 or whatever and a chance to go farther..not just take a FG to tie, the coach handed off. That right there shows their trust in Carr. He had two critical penalties(one that negated theirs) by going over the line of scrimmage. He still makes mistakes like not throwing it out of bounds. In general we don't have a QB that is a winner and who you say, "go win it for us." I'm not sure how else to put it.

I disagree... I mean he Carr had hold the ball longer and took a sack.. that would take you out of FG range.. If you throw a incomplete... you would as Kris Brown to kick a 52 yard FG and we cant trust Brown to do that... So i have to disagree with you on that play.

IMO, VY or any other QB is lucky not to play in Houston.. with this offense line, they can ruin a young qb like they did to Carr. I still think Carr is good enough for this team to win but as a team, they need to upgrade the entire team. You need more depth on the O-Line, so when you lose your Center, LT, RT... you dont start a small Center in Hodgins and a rookie in Winston.

You need a OLB and a 2nd CB. Faggins as a nickelback would be great. You need a FS because CC Brown still bites on play action plays (1st pass by VY, Brown got lucky Bennett drop it). You need a RG and maybe a LT (move Spencer to RT), you need a DT to be next to Travis Johnson,you need RB You might need a 3rd WR and you might need a QB...

titansforever20
12-10-2006, 10:22 PM
Good game.

Why did Lundy start the game at RB for the texans? Dayne looked good and Lundy didn`t do much of anything.

TD
12-11-2006, 06:49 AM
There is one completely undeniable thing that can be said after watching the Texans behavior on this day and particularly in that final minute. Either Gary Kubiak has no idea what he's doing or he doesn't have even the slightest bit of faith in his QB. One of the two is without a doubt true.

Possibly both of them are true but it's far more likely that it's one or the other.

I'd add a 3rd possibility....Kubiak is a coward. Something has bugged me since the Miami game when Kubiak turned his back during Miami's two-point attempt and now I know what it is. He's afraid to face "what might happen" instead of believing in "what could be". His fear has to rub off on his players just as much as Young's confidence rubs on his teammates.

houstonbhorsemen
12-11-2006, 07:31 AM
VY will probably become a really great QB in the future, mostly because he got the reigns of a NFL team early in his career. VY should have been drafted by Houston, and should have been the backup QB for this year. Next year VY should have become the Texans starting QB, and David Carr should be let go.

as for Mario Williams......

Davebo
12-11-2006, 05:38 PM
Carr is done - but he's no Satan. Come on man. Sport is sport. Life is life. I am sure Carr loves GOD. So manlaw says "Do not call Carr Satan".


Agreed. Satan is much much more effective.

I'd have to say car is more like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

camisgirl
12-13-2006, 06:34 PM
It was such an intense game. Poor David, he had to feel like hell when the opposing QB got more love than he ever has from Houston fans.