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The Pencil Neck
09-01-2006, 04:21 PM
OK, we all know that DC has a funky delivery. It comes out really low.

When I was watching the highlights last night, I saw a couple of other QB's that looked like they had that same kinda funky delivery. One was Omar Jacobs; I don't remember who the other one was.

I had never really looked for it before. Is this something that's common? Or becoming more common?

Snapple
09-01-2006, 04:22 PM
VY is a sidearmer.

afcman
09-01-2006, 04:23 PM
I noticed it in the early days. (SO LONG AGO !!!) :) Yeah, Young has it too.

infantrycak
09-01-2006, 04:24 PM
God lord it must have been discount day on Carr threads.

Philip Rivers has an extremely sidearm delivery.

As you can see from Carr, Rivers and VY it doesn't trouble NFL teams near as much as it does fans on losing teams.

Honoring Earl 34
09-01-2006, 04:33 PM
You know who has a low delivery ... Cat Osterman:sarcasm:

JDizzle
09-01-2006, 04:35 PM
Rick Barry had a funky delivery from the free throw line. What a scrub.

GP
09-01-2006, 06:08 PM
OK, we all know that DC has a funky delivery. It comes out really low.

When I was watching the highlights last night, I saw a couple of other QB's that looked like they had that same kinda funky delivery. One was Omar Jacobs; I don't remember who the other one was.

I had never really looked for it before. Is this something that's common? Or becoming more common?

Carr holds the ball at his waist when he drops back.

His whole body rocks backward like a MLB pitcher doing his wind up before he throws a pitch.

And he flips his hand as he releases the ball.

As much as I hate to say it, his mechanics are awful compared to other QBs. I pretty much would like to see the Cowboys lose, and lose badly, but I will give credit to Drew Bledsoe: He stands up straight (as a statue, he-he-he) and he releases the ball with a very natural motion that I would like to see David utilize.

Look back at the clips of David in training camp: He's dropping back and holding that ball at the level of his ear hole, snapping throw his throws. Fast-forward to the last few preseason games, and it's gone. I don't understand it. First day of school (camp) and his mechanics look really good, and now it's not so good.

Does Kubiak and the staff not see this? I would think they would be all over every little thing that he's not doing right. And holding the ball at your waist is wasting motion (and time, and opportunities, and risking sacks) instead of having it up higher where you can get rid of quickly, to SNAP through a throw. It takes longer to get the ball UP to throw the ball, and then you sometimes see the awkward sidearm throw that stays in the air forever, and when you have defenders closing in on you to sack you, that smal fraction of time is deadly...and the passing lanes close down around WRs, too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on him. It's just something that grabbed my attention when I saw a replay of Carr that was in slow motion. Why he is NOT performing better mechanics, or at least what I think would be proper mechanics, is beyond me. And why the staff hasn't corrected it is also beyond me. Show me other star-quality QBs, guys who are good at what they do, and I don;t think you'll see a David Carr throwing motion among them.

He's got the goods: Strong arm, great running ability, and he'll take one on the chin for the team when we need the tough yards. I just would like to see better throwing mechanics. I think it'd make a huge difference.

SESupergenius
09-01-2006, 06:27 PM
Show me other star-quality QBs, guys who are good at what they do, and I don;t think you'll see a David Carr throwing motion among them.

Brett Farve comes to mind. http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/16_X_20_Album/images/Farve_Brett.jpghttp://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/16_X_20_Album/images/Farve_Brett.jpg

Snapple
09-01-2006, 06:30 PM
You know who has a low delivery ... Cat Osterman:sarcasm:

We should totally give Osterman a tryout. Might take a while to learn how to throw a football underhand, but I bet she could thread the ball into the receiver's hands like a needle.

SESupergenius
09-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Pretty similar angle of attack?

http://www.texansrock.com/files/images/davd-carr-gunslinger.jpg

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Brett-Favre---05-06-Passing-Action-Photograph-C12042758.jpeg


I think that is about enough of this non-sense.

chuckm
09-01-2006, 07:17 PM
Ultimate funky delivery ....... Eddie Feigner .... look it up

sprtsfanatic
09-01-2006, 09:53 PM
Pretty similar angle of attack?

http://www.texansrock.com/files/images/davd-carr-gunslinger.jpg

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Brett-Favre---05-06-Passing-Action-Photograph-C12042758.jpeg


I think that is about enough of this non-sense.


yeah enough of this nonsense....someone correct this deficiency before carr starts having 5 int's a game like favre...his days were over 2 years ago.

jmerog
09-01-2006, 10:08 PM
God lord it must have been discount day on Carr threads.
Philip Rivers has an extremely sidearm delivery.

As you can see from Carr, Rivers and VY it doesn't trouble NFL teams near as much as it does fans on losing teams.


Funny Rep coming your way

Roughnecks
09-01-2006, 10:08 PM
Brett Farve comes to mind. http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/16_X_20_Album/images/Farve_Brett.jpghttp://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/16_X_20_Album/images/Farve_Brett.jpg
I like Brett Farve but he throw what 29 int's last year and he has the worse throwing motion in the nfl. It might work for him but I do not want Carr throwing that way at all.

TexansBull
09-01-2006, 10:25 PM
Yea, Carr aint no Farve. But Farve was just tying too hard to get something done for his team when he had nothing around him and he did things he shouldnt have.(oh man, did I make a similarity between the two? Sorry) Look at all the injuries that happened around him. I think that playoff goof against Philly still keeps him up at night. Right now he is in that veteran mode where he just doesnt want to give up and admit his best days may be behind him. But put him on a team like the ravens pre-mcnair and he could get things done.

Interesting topic:Would you take him on the Texans and put Carr on the bench?

TEXANRED
09-01-2006, 10:55 PM
God lord it must have been discount day on Carr threads.


Oh come on. Carr threads are like Jell-O. There is all ways room.:whip:

cuppacoffee
09-01-2006, 11:11 PM
Ultimate funky delivery ....... Eddie Feigner .... look it up

Only because he pitched from second base.

Impressed..you went back aways for that one. :bowdown:


:coffee:

tsip
09-02-2006, 12:37 AM
We should totally give Osterman a tryout. Might take a while to learn how to throw a football underhand, but I bet she could thread the ball into the receiver's hands like a needle.

...and look good doing it, all 6'3" of her

tsip
09-02-2006, 12:39 AM
Remember Carr's first training camp when Palmer tried to change that throwing motion by having David throw over a ladder?

kingh99
09-02-2006, 03:18 PM
God lord it must have been discount day on Carr threads.

Philip Rivers has an extremely sidearm delivery.

As you can see from Carr, Rivers and VY it doesn't trouble NFL teams near as much as it does fans on losing teams.

Phillip Rivers doesn't look so good either. Carr is like a gun slinger with superglue on his holster flap. Not that I'm entirely complaining. They say that's today's game, controlling mistakes. And I couldn't imagine how frustrating it would be to have a gun slinger like Farve totally screwing the game with his lack of discipline. But those Sage touchdowns sure looked good. It's like, I dunno, he's not playing defensive. Dave needs a sports psycho to try and repair him after this bad start with a bad team.

Carr can do it. He's a tough SOB.

GP
09-02-2006, 03:33 PM
Phillip Rivers doesn't look so good either. Carr is like a gun slinger with superglue on his holster flap. Not that I'm entirely complaining. They say that's today's game, controlling mistakes. And I couldn't imagine how frustrating it would be to have a gun slinger like Farve totally screwing the game with his lack of discipline. But those Sage touchdowns sure looked good. It's like, I dunno, he's not playing defensive. Dave needs a sports psycho to try and repair him after this bad start with a bad team.

Carr can do it. He's a tough SOB.

I agree with this entire post. Which it's rare that I agree with everything in a post.

Favre takes away more than he gives (for his team, that is). He'll be remembered as the great risk-taker. The wild gunslinger.

Carr needs to get what I call "his inner bad arse" on. He needs to open up himself to a level of mental discipline whereby he just hates the team he's opposing each weekend. He's a nice guy. A family guy. But on the field, I want to see him get that look in his eyes, to grab a facemask and chew someone out for dropping a pass. Favre did that. Man, he could really chew some rear in front of the whole world. We need that.

That's why T.O. made that satement about having Favre rather than McNabb. McNabb, as is David, is a nice guy. A guy who goes on TV commercials with his mom to pitch healthy, wholesome Campbell's chunky soup. T.O. wanted that "on-field leadership factor" that Favre has. I don't excuse what T.O. did (and still does, apparently)..but I am saying that it's understandable why T.O. would want Favre and not McNabb.

Maybe this preseason went a long way to helping our team (and mostly David) to see that we CAN win. I hope so. Cuz that first game is going to be a tough one, IMO.

Headlights of a Carr
09-02-2006, 03:38 PM
Brett Farve comes to mind. http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/16_X_20_Album/images/Farve_Brett.jpghttp://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/16_X_20_Album/images/Farve_Brett.jpg

Bernie Kosar wasn't too bad either. Now that was a funky delivery.