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MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-29-2006, 01:17 PM
Just a quick poll, should we cut Domanick Davis from the Roster on Sept. 2nd final cut? I have read many mixed reactions on this board, do we have enough talent with the 4 remaining backs on the roster to suceed.....Or is Domanick a vital role on this Texans Team?

PhillyFan
08-29-2006, 01:20 PM
Its a very tough call if you ask me.

You have 2 very young guys who have shown a lot of promise.

However, there is no replacing experience, which DD has. Personally, I wouldnt cut him.

I would keep him on the roster, and most likely have him inactive for 6-8 weeks and see how things go.

From memory, he did pass him physical in camp right? Meaning, he is inelligible for the PUP list :(

powerfuldragon
08-29-2006, 01:21 PM
don't cut him. if you've gotta let him go, trade him.

Corrosion
08-29-2006, 01:24 PM
I would put him on IR since he cant be placed on the pup list . I think he can contribute to the team if not this season then next .

What are the cap hit if we cut him this season ? .... If he cant play next season then cut him and take the loss .

HOU-TEX
08-29-2006, 01:25 PM
don't cut him. if you've gotta let him go, trade him.

What do you think we'd get for a banged up unreliable RB? :)

bigTEXan8
08-29-2006, 01:25 PM
I just saw on my fantasy football newswire that Lundy is expected to start for the Texans opening week. Can anyone verify that?

kingh99
08-29-2006, 01:26 PM
I would put him on IR since he cant be placed on the pup list . I think he can contribute to the team if not this season then next .

What are the cap hit if we cut him this season ? .... If he cant play next season then cut him and take the loss .

Of course people will vote no. You haven't given them an either/or. As in either Davis gets cut or Joppru (just for discussion purposes although he could be on the bubble since the 3rd FB did a good job the other game). If you give them an either/or the numbers will get much closer.

Corrosion
08-29-2006, 01:27 PM
I just saw on my fantasy football newswire that Lundy is expected to start for the Texans opening week. Can anyone verify that?


Here's a link to todays Chronicle article

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4147469.html

mancunian
08-29-2006, 01:31 PM
put him on IR this year and see what next season brings. If Lundy and Morency do the business then maybe DD will be gone. Its easier to trade a healthy RB though.
Looks like I'll have to change my fantasy team....

HOU-TEX
08-29-2006, 01:38 PM
I voted "cut him" due to the fact the guy hasn't finished a season yet without getting hurt. We have a promising young backfield now without him. :redtowel:

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-29-2006, 01:41 PM
I voted "cut him" due to the fact the guy hasn't finished a season yet without getting hurt. We have a promising young backfield now without him. :redtowel:


Good Point HOU-TEX ! it truely hurts not having him out on the field I'd rather see Kubiak put that extra spot to where we need more depth, than just having 52 players that can only preform.....instead of 53:stirpot:

bigTEXan8
08-29-2006, 01:42 PM
OK...next question. Is Lundy going to get the bulk of the carries, or is going to be a 50/50 thing with Morency?

PhillyFan
08-29-2006, 01:46 PM
Odds are, you cant trade him either.

he wouldnt pass a physical for it to go through.

And didnt he just sign a new contract last year? Im wondering what the cap implications are.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-29-2006, 01:46 PM
I'm almost positve Kubiak will do 50/50 just to give the opposing team Defense every week a different look......also keep other teams off balance as to who they need to key on every week, that was the bad thing about Domanick every team new he was going to get the ball every game, but if we can have a 2 punch backfield, that should keep other teams off balance, look at Pittsburg, Denver, and some other succesfull teams they always had two talented backs, going into the playoffs........making them a winner.

Hervoyel
08-29-2006, 01:49 PM
I can't vote in this. It's just too close to call. You can't trade him so forget about that. Nobody is going to give us anything for our 4th round, easily injured, pain sensitive, bicycle riding RB. We can't PUP him because he wasn't "hurt" when he went to camp. We can either cut him or place him on the IR.

Despite the fact that Lundy is starting (or is supposed to start) I'd expect the two backs (Lundy and Morency) to have similar numbers until one of them starts to pull away and stand out. I expect that back to eventually be Morency but who really knows.

HOU-TEX
08-29-2006, 01:50 PM
I'm almost positve Kubiak will do 50/50 just to give the opposing team Defense every week a different look......also keep other teams off balance as to who they need to key on every week, that was the bad thing about Domanick every team new he was going to get the ball every game, but if we can have a 2 punch backfield, that should keep other teams off balance, look at Pittsburg, Denver, and some other succesfull teams they always had two talented backs, going into the playoffs........making them a winner.

The Patriots look very nice as well so far this pre-season with the rookie and Dillon. I think more and more teams will be doing the dual threat thing as time goes. It not only takes the load off the other RB, it provides different looks for the D.

gwallaia
08-29-2006, 01:51 PM
We can't PUP him because he wasn't "hurt" when he went to camp. We can either cut him or place him on the IR.

I was not aware of that rule.

PhillyFan
08-29-2006, 01:54 PM
I was not aware of that rule.

Once a player passes a physical in camp, or is taken off of the PUP list, he is no longer eligible to be placed on it.

He has to be on it for the duration of training camp, and then can be removed between weeks 6 and 8 I believe.

Someone told me these rules were attributable to Joe Gibbs in the 80s..apparently, he used to stash players on the PUP list as a just in case, for when other players got hurt.

Vinny
08-29-2006, 01:55 PM
I was not aware of that rule.
Here is some back up for that...

"It'll be a tough decision for the final 53. We'll make the decision based on what's best for Domanick and the team."

The Texans will have several options. They can make Davis, 25, part of the final roster and wait for him to get healthy. They can place him on waivers. They can put him on injured reserve, which means he wouldn't play this season. They also could trade him, which is unlikely because he's damaged goods.

Davis, 5-9 and 227 pounds, can't be placed on the physically unable to perform list because he passed a physical before training camp.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/4147469.html

PapaL
08-29-2006, 01:58 PM
Can't PUP, can't trade, not healthy = CUT

I would imagine his contract wouldnt be an easy thing to swallow, but best get what we can out the way now. I like DD, but I like the Texans more.

thunderkyss
08-29-2006, 02:05 PM
I'm looking for the hell no option.

RiotCommander
08-29-2006, 02:32 PM
DD has been a great RB for us. I'm not ready to throw him away because he was the one bright spot on this team when we had nothing. If he wants to retire thats one thing, but I think he should be allowed to try to rehab. However if he cannot get any better then he is now, and cannot play. Then there isn't much point in having the question. You would have to cut him. And yes that is a rather large cap hit to swallow.

GP
08-29-2006, 02:33 PM
I'm pulling out my old DD avatar that I made a year or two ago.

That tells you my answer.

I am going to gamble here and say:

DD makes the roster. DD has limited practices, and DD tries to do a Steve McNair and just play on Sundays.

I think when it comes down to it, DD wants to play...and DD wants to win. He has "heart" and I think he's going to get it done.

Now, if he gets re-injured or cannot gut it out in the midst of coming back...then, so be it. But I think he makes the tough call, and I think Kubiak gets this player back on the field because he's been more of a leader than almost any other player on our team. We sucked stones unless he was out there, and I know there's this battle cry that "We don't keep players for sentimental reasons..." but this is different IMO. He grinded out extra inches on his carries when others would have fallen short. I just think he gives it one more big push, and I think Kubiak grants it to him. I think we release Smith and keep DD, Morency, Lundy, and try to pick up one more back off waivers.

Guess we'll see, eh?

TexansLucky13
08-29-2006, 02:39 PM
I love DD but he does no good for us when he is on the bench. Our running game looks exceptional at the moment and DD has no trade value, so we have no choice. We all love DD, but there is a time when people have to move on.

Keeping him on this roster and having him sit the entire season is what I like to call "Dum Capers" logic. Kubiak won't play favorites and the team will prosper because of that fact. Lundy and Morency are getting the job done on the field.

Brandon420tx
08-29-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm looking for the hell no option.
Ditto.

I'm hoping we can work out a Jerry Rice ala Niners agreement with him, when its time for him to leave the NFL. This guy has done so much for our team, and did too much for Capers and Co. He is the ONLY player on the team that I would never want cut, call me sentimental, but its like we owe this guy.... something .... right?

DD Forever

uh ....

Cowboys Never! w00t w00t!

:redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:

ensign_lee
08-29-2006, 03:13 PM
uh...hell no?

Who do you want to keep on this team INSTEAD of DD? Smith? A corner? who? Just WHO?

No. And it's not even close.

real
08-29-2006, 03:15 PM
Cut him...and lets move on....

HOU-TEX
08-29-2006, 03:16 PM
uh...hell no?

Who do you want to keep on this team INSTEAD of DD? Smith? A corner? who? Just WHO?

No. And it's not even close.

More depth at any position would be nice. Why would you want someone on the roster that can't play?:confused:

Brandon420tx
08-29-2006, 03:17 PM
More depth at any position would be nice. Why would you want someone on the roster that can't play?:confused:
Love?:)

HOU-TEX
08-29-2006, 03:19 PM
Love?:)

LOL!

texan279
08-29-2006, 03:21 PM
I haven't read this entire thread, but IMO I do not have enough specific info on Davis' knee to make a determination on whether Davis should be cut or not.

Rightnow
08-29-2006, 03:37 PM
From what I understand his injury doesn't effect his his actual physical ability, but it does make everything painful. So if he does play again, he may always be in serious pain while he is on the field. Physically he has checked out, now it is just a question of how much pain he can handle on the field.

I wonder if this rumor of him being cut has been intentionally put out in the media to get him motivated; to see if he will just play through the pain.

I think DD is woried that if he tries to play on it he may injure his knee to the point where he has to quit football. Then again, if he is always in pain his career might be over.

I want him to play! He is so good when he is on that I think he could be one of the top five RBs this year.

As for keeping him... Kubiak is meeting with him, the GM, his agent and probably the medical staff. The meeting this week will decide his fate. I hope he can play.

Corrosion
08-29-2006, 04:11 PM
look at Pittsburg, Denver, and some other succesfull teams they always had two talented backs, going into the playoffs........making them a winner.


The Patriots look very nice as well so far this pre-season with the rookie and Dillon. I think more and more teams will be doing the dual threat thing as time goes. It not only takes the load off the other RB, it provides different looks for the D.


What do all of these teams have in common ? ..... Yes they have good rushing attacks but a lot of their success can be credited to their Offensive Lines .

Pittsburgh has for decades built their offense around a strong ground game , where does it start ? Up front with the big uglies .

Denver ? They can plug damn near any back into that system and make them look like a star .

As for the Texans , the run blocking wasnt great but nor was it horrible . Their problems stemmed more from Predictability and a poor scheme than poor run blocking . :twocents:

Texans>Colts
08-29-2006, 04:13 PM
if the rumor that says the Texans just got Brown is true i say cut him but if its not i say no

K.D.
08-29-2006, 04:16 PM
I'm going with the hell no reference. Let DD sit and keep rehabbing until after bye week and slowly work him back. Remember we are not asking him to carry the bulk of rushes, but just cutting the guy is CRAZY!!

A 85%DD is way better than a 100% Antwan Smith and Taylor.:twocents:

texflex513
08-29-2006, 04:17 PM
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!:brickwall

real
08-29-2006, 04:20 PM
Just heard on 790 that we are definitely not cutting Davis...Kubes said that he won't be cut...

K.D.
08-29-2006, 04:24 PM
Just heard on 790 that we are definitely not cutting Davis...Kubes said that he won't be cut...


GOOD!!:shades:

stx-texans
08-29-2006, 04:25 PM
Davis has been a high spot on an otherwise horrible offense the last several years, i agree he has injury problems, but the guy deserves some respect from the organization. Put him on the PUP and if you have to IR let him try again next year. Remember he was drafted with the idea of being a special teamer and 3rd down back, he has produced way beyond our expectations.

DocBar
08-29-2006, 04:43 PM
I voted to cut him. Not For Long League. What have you done for us lately, etc... DD has been one of my favs and I hate it for him that he's wearing out already. Can we, as a team, really be sentimenstral at this point in time? We need to have the best players available on the roster. Period.

Brandon420tx
08-29-2006, 04:45 PM
I voted to cut him. Not For Long League. What have you done for us lately, etc... DD has been one of my favs and I hate it for him that he's wearing out already. Can we, as a team, really be sentimenstral at this point in time? We need to have the best players available on the roster. Period.
I can be sentimental about DD, I don't know about "sentimenstral" though... that ones a toughie.

Texans86
08-29-2006, 04:48 PM
I voted to cut him. Not For Long League. What have you done for us lately, etc... DD has been one of my favs and I hate it for him that he's wearing out already. Can we, as a team, really be sentimenstral at this point in time? We need to have the best players available on the roster. Period.

Unfortunate but true. If we have to cut our losses, so be it. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would spend all his money at once, and got paid last year.

GP
08-29-2006, 05:00 PM
Just heard on 790 that we are definitely not cutting Davis...Kubes said that he won't be cut...

(bump)

He's not getting cut. As I predicted.

texan279
08-29-2006, 05:02 PM
Well he better suck it up and learn to play through the pain or he is going to get bashed on more than Carr...

Roughnecks
08-29-2006, 05:10 PM
There talking about this on espn right now.

Brandon420tx
08-29-2006, 05:11 PM
They say cut him.

Since when do we listen to ESPN?:tv: :tvhorror: :soapbox: :goodnight

CloakNNNdagger
08-29-2006, 05:45 PM
Radio 790 just played a DD interview snippet where DD essentially says he is not improving.........a couple good days...then a couple bad days. But they also reported that Kub today stated that DD will be part of this team. He said that "everyone"---DD, coaching staff, medical staff will have an important meeting on Thursday to determine what will be done.

TexHorns
08-29-2006, 05:48 PM
I'm looking for the hell no option.

Me too, IMO it will take Lundy at least a year to really be comfortable picking up the blitz in the backfield. He just looks too raw at this point, even when he runs, to be a starter (well maybe not for this franchise). IMO DD and Morency need to split time this year. That way we can see if DD will really bounce back from his injury. I dont see the advantage in having David lying on his back every other play while Lundy gets his sea legs. I would rather DD be the starter anyway if he is physically able because he can gain yards from almost nothing. I would take a consistant runner 4-4.3 ypc who can block and catch, over a player with just potential upside, any day. Wali was not one of those guys like Bush who was groomed and drafted to be the premier back, if he developes into one fine but for now it wont be the best decision.
If DD is not the same after the surgery then its a different story.

DD
RUSHING

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2003 Houston Texans 14 10 238 1031 4.3 51 8 5 47
2004 Houston Texans 15 15 302 1188 3.9 44 13 5 56
2005 Houston Texans 11 11 230 976 4.2 44 2 3 39
TOTAL 40 36 770 3195 4.1 51 23 13 142

Wali Lundy
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
GET MY POINT?

kbourda
08-29-2006, 06:24 PM
I'm looking for the hell no option.

I couldn't agree with you more! DD has bust his ass to be the RB we all wished we had. Now he can't play a few preseason games and throw him under the bus, right. Hell, if the Texans can hold out hope for a guy who has yet to see a regular season game (Joppru) I know holding out for DD should not be a problem.

texanfan2002114
08-29-2006, 07:24 PM
Just heard on 790 that we are definitely not cutting Davis...Kubes said that he won't be cut...


I also heard the same thing on 610. Kubes pretty much said who ever started that rumor was stupid. The reason for the meeting on thursday with DD and the doctors is to see how long he will be out and if his going to be out for awhile he will be put on the IR.

kikiscafe
08-29-2006, 08:03 PM
Kubes pretty much said who ever started that rumor was stupid.

I believe that is John McClain. Heard it at 610 and read it at chron..

PapaL
08-29-2006, 08:07 PM
Regardless, if we're in the same situation next year he will get cut. Yes I know its looking way ahead. One season to get right or get cut/retire.

thunderkyss
08-29-2006, 11:58 PM
I couldn't agree with you more! DD has bust his ass to be the RB we all wished we had. Now he can't play a few preseason games and throw him under the bus, right. Hell, if the Texans can hold out hope for a guy who has yet to see a regular season game (Joppru) I know holding out for DD should not be a problem.

& joppru has more people pulling for him....... go figure.

vtech9
08-30-2006, 12:24 AM
DD will either be on the active roster or on IR...he will not be cut

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-30-2006, 01:36 AM
If the rumor is true about Cris Brown coming here from the Titans kiss Domanick goodbye............:crying:

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-30-2006, 07:57 AM
So any takers on this one, If Cris Brown comes here from the Titans do we lose DD?

Kaiser Toro
08-30-2006, 08:10 AM
So any takers on this one, If Cris Brown comes here from the Titans do we lose DD?

I think they are exclusive of one another. DD gets cut and Brown was just a ploy. The more I take the pulse around this Brown thing and Kubiak's comments yesterday on DD I think that the Texans are less than thrilled with DD's Doctor's prognosis or DD's response to such prognosis. Basically I think they are trying to find the truth themselves. I trust Kubiak on the field, but right now, based on my own experience as a fomer agent, the coach is the PR guy on this one as he should be covering the player.

Why would Kubiak have him on the roster? He has to carry Faggins on there, there is no way he adds another player to it that is injured. IR him? How long? Is there a cost benefit? Will there be trade value for an unknown? Those are the questions. DD has been a nice player, but in reality there are no flashback memories of greatness, there is no real legacy, he was a nice player taking advantage of a bad situation in my opinion. I like DD and respect his tenure, but we are about business the last week of the exhibition season and if you can't suit up for an undetermined time that does not help anyone.

srstex
08-30-2006, 08:55 AM
DD has an avg of 4 yrds/carry with everbody on the planet knowing we were going to run, with no real OL scheme, so now with Kubiak and company DD will be a 1600 yrd back easy, if he is healthy. But you should never cut the man that made the offense go, when ever it did go, to bring in a sub. We keep DD, get him healthy, and be the team we all know it can be.

texan279
08-30-2006, 09:02 AM
DD has an avg of 4 yrds/carry with everbody on the planet knowing we were going to run, with no real OL scheme, so now with Kubiak and company DD will be a 1600 yrd back easy, if he is healthy. But you should never cut the man that made the offense go, when ever it did go, to bring in a sub. We keep DD, get him healthy, and be the team we all know it can be.

We ran more pass plays than rushing plays last season, I don't know how that would tip teams off that we were going to run the ball...And Kubiak does not use one back exclusively, so even if Davis was healthy I highly doubt he would gain 1600 yards on the ground.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-30-2006, 09:47 AM
I think they are exclusive of one another. DD gets cut and Brown was just a ploy. The more I take the pulse around this Brown thing and Kubiak's comments yesterday on DD I think that the Texans are less than thrilled with DD's Doctor's prognosis or DD's response to such prognosis. Basically I think they are trying to find the truth themselves. I trust Kubiak on the field, but right now, based on my own experience as a fomer agent, the coach is the PR guy on this one as he should be covering the player.

Why would Kubiak have him on the roster? He has to carry Faggins on there, there is no way he adds another player to it that is injured. IR him? How long? Is there a cost benefit? Will there be trade value for an unknown? Those are the questions. DD has been a nice player, but in reality there are no flashback memories of greatness, there is no real legacy, he was a nice player taking advantage of a bad situation in my opinion. I like DD and respect his tenure, but we are about business the last week of the exhibition season and if you can't suit up for an undetermined time that does not help anyone.

Great Point Kaiser Toro............thanks for the info......

The Dude Abides
08-30-2006, 09:53 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2565978

We are not cutting him.

Moving to debunk reports that tailback Domanick Davis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6437) could be released because of lingering knee problems that have kept him off the field for virtually all of training camp, Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou) first-year coach Gary Kubiak said there has been no discussion of cutting the leading rusher in franchise history, and said that the worst-case scenario was a season spent on the injured reserve list.


"The idea of cutting Domanick Davis has not even played a factor," said Kubiak, who is clearly frustrated by Davis' continuing absence, but not yet ready to give up on the three-year veteran. "I don't know where that came from. The decision is strictly [whether] his knee is going to be healthy enough to play. If his knee is not healthy enough to play, if that is the decision that's made about him, then he's looking at [an injured reserve] season ... The other choice has never been a factor."

Roughnecks
08-30-2006, 10:03 AM
We should keep him because it is in his head that he is not healthy so sit him let him watch. Once he see's that we can run the ball without him he will want to play even with pain and maybe he has a decent year and opens up trade bait for next years draft or player. What would it hurt if we just cut him we take a cap hit and we really don't want that. Her's a question which would you rather cut Davis or Smith my vote Smith he just look's old.

feebleminded
08-30-2006, 12:17 PM
I think they are exclusive of one another. DD gets cut and Brown was just a ploy. The more I take the pulse around this Brown thing and Kubiak's comments yesterday on DD I think that the Texans are less than thrilled with DD's Doctor's prognosis or DD's response to such prognosis. Basically I think they are trying to find the truth themselves. I trust Kubiak on the field, but right now, based on my own experience as a fomer agent, the coach is the PR guy on this one as he should be covering the player.

Why would Kubiak have him on the roster? He has to carry Faggins on there, there is no way he adds another player to it that is injured. IR him? How long? Is there a cost benefit? Will there be trade value for an unknown? Those are the questions. DD has been a nice player, but in reality there are no flashback memories of greatness, there is no real legacy, he was a nice player taking advantage of a bad situation in my opinion. I like DD and respect his tenure, but we are about business the last week of the exhibition season and if you can't suit up for an undetermined time that does not help anyone.


KT, I am interested in your thoughts as a former agent on this hypothesis.

It was interesting to me that Kubes specifically discussed a meeting with coaches, management, DD and his agent. Clearly if DD is unable to play this year the cost benefit doesnt look very appealing for the team. So I am wondering if the "right" thing to do here in to negotiate a reduction in the cost of the option of having DD available next year (perhaps after spending this year on IR). Would it be unreasonable to think that the team is looking to restructure his contract to a more incentive laden one (perhaps with easily achievable playing time incentives next year) in an effort to make the cost/benefit or risk/reward more acceptable?

It would seem that is DD is unable to achieve certain minmum playing times next year (aside from one of our current backs really blowing it up this year) then he would probably have to seriously consider retirement.

infantrycak
08-30-2006, 12:20 PM
KT, I am interested in your thoughts as a former agent on this hypothesis.

It was interesting to me that Kubes specifically discussed a meeting with coaches, management, DD and his agent. Clearly if DD is unable to play this year the cost benefit doesnt look very appealing for the team. So I am wondering if the "right" thing to do here in to negotiate a reduction in the cost of the option of having DD available next year (perhaps after spending this year on IR). Would it be unreasonable to think that the team is looking to restructure his contract to a more incentive laden one (perhaps with easily achievable playing time incentives next year) in an effort to make the cost/benefit or risk/reward more acceptable?

It would seem that is DD is unable to achieve certain minmum playing times next year (aside from one of our current backs really blowing it up this year) then he would probably have to seriously consider retirement.

Curtis Martin who is having difficulty coming back from a knee injury just made a deal like this greatly reducing his cap hit and with a negotiated further reduction if he were placed on IR in order to convince the Jets to keep him around and give him the chance to play.

feebleminded
08-30-2006, 04:27 PM
Curtis Martin who is having difficulty coming back from a knee injury just made a deal like this greatly reducing his cap hit and with a negotiated further reduction if he were placed on IR in order to convince the Jets to keep him around and give him the chance to play.

Thanks for the example ICAK, makes sense that they would be working on a similar type deal to me.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
08-30-2006, 04:53 PM
Yes hopefully a similar deal is in the works, for DD & the Texans....we should know by Thursday, that's when they are suppose to sit down and talk about it with his agent and doctors and DD:crutch: :crutch: :crutch: