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supertankman
08-28-2006, 09:11 AM
Anyone?? Have not seen smith carry the ball more then a few times the whole preseason so I am assuming that Lundy will be the starter?

Runner
08-28-2006, 09:19 AM
Morency.

Marcus
08-28-2006, 09:37 AM
Morency.
I take it you haven't seen this post (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=418666&postcount=18) yet?

It's only a rumor, yeah, but the fact that Lundy played the entire first half last night, without Morency even getting into the game until the 2nd half . .

. . leads one to suspect there might be something to it. We'll find out soon enough.

66cobra
08-28-2006, 09:42 AM
Lundy, in my opinion, is a better fit for the style of running Kubiak likes because on several runs, Morency seemed to go back to "dancing" a little bit and it got him stopped. Also, a time or two, Morency missed the block when setting up for pass blocking. However, Lundy needs to learn how to wrap up the rock when someone is coming at him and this is fixable.

HJam72
08-28-2006, 09:43 AM
I take it you haven't seen this post (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=418666&postcount=18) yet?

It's only a rumor, yeah, but the fact that Lundy played the entire first half last night, without Morency even getting into the game until the 2nd half . .

. . leads one to suspect there might be something to it. We'll find out soon enough.

This is not good. It still takes talent to win in the NFL and Morency is our best RB right now.

Runner
08-28-2006, 09:46 AM
I take it you haven't seen this post (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=418666&postcount=18) yet?

It's only a rumor, yeah, but the fact that Lundy played the entire first half last night, without Morency even getting into the game until the 2nd half . .

. . leads one to suspect there might be something to it. We'll find out soon enough.

Yes I've seen that post. I've also seen Morency look better than Lundy on the field.

Kubiak started other players that weren't #1 on his depth chart. He is still looking at what people can do.

As you said, the cuts are coming soon enough and then we'll know.

the wonger need food
08-28-2006, 09:54 AM
Morency... without a doubt.

gtexan02
08-28-2006, 09:55 AM
Just to make a point against all those claiming that Morency is clearly the better running back, I'm not so sure where you are getting this? Lundy has come into every game ahead of Morency. That means that Lunday is ALWAYS running against a higher ranked defense (usually 1st team). Here are the stats:

Lundy - 26 carries for 143 yards, 5.5 ypc, 25 yard long, 1 TD
Morency - 24 carries for 131 yards, 5.5 ypc, 43 yard long, 2 TDs

They have the same stats, with Lundy rushing against higher ranked Ds. Take away the one long run from both, and the yards per carry change to the following:
Lundy - 4.72 ypc
Morency - 3.82 ypc

Seems like Morency may have the higher upside (can break the long one), but Lundy is more consistent. Its the same problem people have with Reggie Bush. You can't count on the long 43 yarder every game. You can count on the tough, 4.5+ yards a carry per game though



This would be like if Sage played ahead of Carr against the #1 Ds, performed equally or better, yet people were still claiming the 2nd guy was better? WHY? Where is this loyalty to Morency coming from? He has performed equally or worse to someone who is going against much better defenses?

Runner
08-28-2006, 09:56 AM
How are each of them at picking up blitzers? Morency has a clear advantage there.

gtexan02
08-28-2006, 09:59 AM
Again, not really. Morency had one clearly superior game to Lundy last week. But, if you'll check, he was going against St. Louis' 2nd and 3rd string linebackers, while Lundy was going against St. Louis' 1st stringers.

ALSO, Lundy had Carr to protect, which, as has been debated and proved, is more difficult than protecting Sage. Sage has better pocket awareness and comfort, while Carr is still a little gun shy. I would imagine its much easier protecting the new guy against the 2nd string defense than the other way around

Capster67
08-28-2006, 10:09 AM
Having been at the game last night, I am rooting for Morency to start big time. Lundi looked flat. The offense was DOA for most of the first half (we had like 22 total yds well into the second quarter). There was an immediate change in energy when Morency came in (Sage didn't hurt either). Last night - combined with the 95 yds the week before - have put me solidly in Morency's camp.

killeentexan
08-28-2006, 10:11 AM
Just to make a point against all those claiming that Morency is clearly the better running back, I'm not so sure where you are getting this? Lundy has come into every game ahead of Morency. That means that Lunday is ALWAYS running against a higher ranked defense (usually 1st team). Here are the stats:

Lundy - 26 carries for 143 yards, 5.5 ypc, 25 yard long, 1 TD
Morency - 24 carries for 131 yards, 5.5 ypc, 43 yard long, 2 TDs

They have the same stats, with Lundy rushing against higher ranked Ds. Take away the one long run from both, and the yards per carry change to the following:
Lundy - 4.72 ypc
Morency - 3.82 ypc

Seems like Morency may have the higher upside (can break the long one), but Lundy is more consistent. Its the same problem people have with Reggie Bush. You can't count on the long 43 yarder every game. You can count on the tough, 4.5+ yards a carry per game though



This would be like if Sage played ahead of Carr against the #1 Ds, performed equally or better, yet people were still claiming the 2nd guy was better? WHY? Where is this loyalty to Morency coming from? He has performed equally or worse to someone who is going against much better defenses?

Wouldn't this also mean that Lundy has had the advantage of running behind the 1st team offensive line, as well as playing with the entire 1st team offense? Obviously, that negates any advantage that Morency got by running against 2nd team defenses, since he was running with the 2nd team offense. That being said, if Davis can't go or is put on IR or PUP it does appear that Lundy will be the starter. Hopefully he will improve at picking up the blitz.

gtexan02
08-28-2006, 10:15 AM
Again, maybe I'm way off base here (since I didn't physically watch the game, only watched the gamecenter) but Morency didn't seem to do anything last night.

Morency - 13 carries, 36 yards, 2.8 ypc, long of 5
Lundy - 10 carries, 44 yards, 4.4 ypc, long of 10

Morency - 3 receptions, 20 yards, long of 10
Lundy - 3 receptions, 17 yards, long of 9

Maybe I'm missing something, but if those are the numbers Morency puts up against 2nd and 3rd stringers, how is this an immediate change in the game?

gtexan02
08-28-2006, 10:17 AM
Wouldn't this also mean that Lundy has had the advantage of running behind the 1st team offensive line, as well as playing with the entire 1st team offense? Obviously, that negates any advantage that Morency got by running against 2nd team defenses, since he was running with the 2nd team offense. That being said, if Davis can't go or is put on IR or PUP it does appear that Lundy will be the starter. Hopefully he will improve at picking up the blitz.

I guess this might make sense, but many of our best OL are being tried at both 1st and 2nd string OL positions. Spencer and Wand are a toss up, as is Weary and possibly some other members of our OL. Sage vs. 2nd string is better than Carr vs. 1st string (I'm not saying Sage is better than Carr, just that he's better than the defenses he's playing against) and so I still think Morency has an advantage

O.G.
08-28-2006, 10:42 AM
Lundy will be the starter, Morency has looked good in spurts, but as everyone saw, in the start of the second half against Denver's 1st team, he didn't do any better than Lundy. Everyone on the texans staff was alittle flat, that was the mile high altitude. Hakeem had the same problem. I think Lundy is showing everything as well and remember, that 43 yard run Morency had last week was again the 2 and 3rd team defense while Lundy's longest run came against the first team defense. Not knocking Morency by any means, just think he would benefit more coming off the bench. Look how Tatum Bell looked last night with Mike Bell starting.....and who would complain if we have two 1000 plus running backs.

edo783
08-28-2006, 10:48 AM
Here is that rumor post that keeps getting pointed to, so let's take a look at it:

Wali Lundy will be the starter on tomorrow night and opening day. Expect that Antwain Smith and Vernand Morency to be put on waivers. DD will be placed on either IR or PUP and Chris Taylor, if he doesnt get put on the practice squad (which I doubt seriously) will be on the roster along with a RB added via another team.

Based on this:

Morency - waived/traded
Smith - waived/traded
DD - PUP
Taylor - Practice team probably

Soooo, basically we get rid of all of our running backs, but Lundy and Rodes and pick up someone from outside who hasn't been on the team through TC and practices. Does that make ANY sense to anyone?

Marcus
08-28-2006, 10:54 AM
Here is that rumor post that keeps getting pointed to, so let's take a look at it:

Wali Lundy will be the starter on tomorrow night and opening day. Expect that Antwain Smith and Vernand Morency to be put on waivers. DD will be placed on either IR or PUP and Chris Taylor, if he doesnt get put on the practice squad (which I doubt seriously) will be on the roster along with a RB added via another team.

Based on this:

Morency - waived/traded
Smith - waived/traded
DD - PUP
Taylor - Practice team probably

Soooo, basically we get rid of all of our running backs, but Lundy and Rodes and pick up someone from outside who hasn't been on the team through TC and practices. Does that make ANY sense to anyone?

It does if Kubes and Smith have a good idea of who is going to be falling into their laps on the waiver wire.:hmmm:

gtexan02
08-28-2006, 10:57 AM
Ron Dayne maybe?

real
08-28-2006, 11:00 AM
Lundy will be the starter on opening day...how ever, IMO, at this point neither has made a clear distinction that he is better than the other...I believe that until one shows that he is much better than the other, they will see almost equal time...I am not impressed or dissapointed one way or another with whoever starts...

5ttimesthecharm
08-28-2006, 11:08 AM
has the team even said how long dom will be out for?

newtexfan
08-28-2006, 11:18 AM
great sense to take a hard look at Rhodes and Taylor is the next pre-season game before we make all the cuts.

Battle Red Flash
08-28-2006, 11:42 AM
I think V.Morency will be our starter. He blocks better than Lundy, and is a bit faster, it looks.
Smith may be cut today.

texanforlife
08-28-2006, 11:50 AM
i dont think it matters which one of them start. They will be split the carries until DD comes back.

HOU-TEX
08-28-2006, 12:00 PM
i dont think it matters which one of them start. They will be split the carries until DD comes back.

I agree 100%. They will both get thier share of the football no matter who starts the game. As far as DD goes, I'll have to see him in the offense before I'd sit one of the others. Maybe there's a chance he'll play in the scrub game against TB.:pigfly: :hides:

David's Busted Carr
08-28-2006, 02:22 PM
Which of these guys has the edge to start if DD is out? I know Kubes says he will use a RBBC, but I think that is only b/c he hasn't made a decision of which guy he likes better yet.

I think Morency is a much better pass blocker, and he runs HARD. I think he has better tackle breaking ability than Lundy. But Lundy showed flashes of being a good WR out of the backfield like DD.

Meanwhile Antowain Smith hasn't sniffed any preseason action.

Anyone have some inside info regarding this situation?

David's Busted Carr
08-28-2006, 02:36 PM
Whoever says Morency will be cut is a moron. Why would we do that? He's a 2nd year player playing under a rookie contract with HUGE upside. Every time I've seen him play he's done well. Granted Kubiak said initially he didn't fit their "scheme", but how hard could that be to learn?

He's got the speed, size, pass catching ability and run blocking ability to be successful. Those things you can't teach (well maybe blocking you can, but you get my drift).

All this being said Kubiak probably wants to show that Lundy (HIS 6th round pick) can flourish in HIS system. Morency wasn't HIS pick. So I think Kubiak prefers Lundy for this reason.

Rightnow
08-28-2006, 03:26 PM
Lundy is going to be the starter. I heard John McClain say it today. While he isn't always right, it fits with the fact that Lundy started with the first team on Sunday.

He will of course split time with whomever is the number two back. I wouldn't be surprised if A. Smith is cut and someone is picked up today or tomorrow from waivers.