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Kingzofthejungle
09-15-2004, 10:59 AM
http://www.freep.com/sports/lions/lions15e_20040915.htm lol:

Tailgate
09-15-2004, 11:40 AM
Don't forget where Roy Williams came from.

JustBonee
09-15-2004, 11:45 AM
Don't need to read up on Williams to know who he is!
People in Texas know what he's about .. after all, he's a Texas boy.
Texas and Odessa Permian.

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 12:02 PM
Andre is a WR...

Kingzofthejungle
09-15-2004, 12:37 PM
Don't need to read up on Williams to know who he is!
People in Texas know what he's about .. after all, he's a Texas boy.
Texas and Odessa Permian.

We all know he came from Texas. My wife is from Longview. I just thought you might be interested in reading a local story about him. I am sure he will be amped to put on a show for the local viewers in Texas. :boxing:

jacquescas
09-15-2004, 01:23 PM
unfortuneatly we have a weapon to stop Roy. Aaron Glenn. Say what you want, but a rookie WR starting his 2nd game of the season is going to have trouble matched up against an all-pro multiple probowl corner all night. Glenn will shut down Williams and leave Dunta to hand Tai Streets.

Roy Williams will have a tough time making an impact this week. As for the rest of the season, i think he will be a stud, this week he will learn alot since he will be the key focus of the defense.

texasguy346
09-15-2004, 01:28 PM
Roy is a very talented WR, and I expect him to have a very good NFL career. I just hope he doesn't have the hammy problems that plagued him at Texas. Still I'd take AJ over Roy, and that's not just 'homerism'. AJ is a TO type of receiver without the big mouth or ego. He's a down to earth and quiet WR. I must admit I was a bit surprised at the intensity he showed against the Chargers. He slammed the Chargers safety to the field after he got in his face after the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 01:33 PM
That guy asked for it though....he kept on pushing A.J. well after the play and A.J. just needed to show him there's none of that going on while he's on the field! :boxing:

TheOgre
09-15-2004, 01:36 PM
I'd take Roy over C Rogers or AJ. Detroit got a steal when they traded down ONE SLOT and got Roy plus a 2nd rounder.

I think it was Roy who played the Midland Lee Coach (Odessa Permain's big rival) in that upcoming movie Friday Night Lights.

texasguy346
09-15-2004, 01:38 PM
That's why I enjoyed the play so much. AJ manhandled him almost like Turley manhandled that Jets DB when he was still with the Saints. Never a bad thing when a WR's strength reminds you of a OLineman. It's when a WR's speed reminds you of a OLineman that you're in trouble (Keyshawn). Only kidding.

TexansTrueFan
09-15-2004, 02:53 PM
Roy is a very talented WR, and I expect him to have a very good NFL career. I just hope he doesn't have the hammy problems that plagued him at Texas. Still I'd take AJ over Roy, and that's not just 'homerism'. AJ is a TO type of receiver without the big mouth or ego. He's a down to earth and quiet WR. I must admit I was a bit surprised at the intensity he showed against the Chargers. He slammed the Chargers safety to the field after he got in his face after the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.


Yeah you see where that CB put up his hand for AJ to help him up and AJ slapped his hand away ....

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 03:04 PM
haha sorry buddy, you didnt outsmart me :) i know the members of our team. dom implemented puttin andre on roy, dont be scared or nervous though.....hes only 6-2 230 runs under a 4.4 and has 40 inch vert.
numbers mean nothing... unless he played CB in college, AJ wouldnt be a good corner... Corner is a technique position, and it would be stupid to put a WR at the DB position... as far as Aaron Glenn... he got smoked by Gates, who hasnt played football in 4 years...

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 03:10 PM
Corner is a technique position, and it would be stupid to put a WR at the DB position... as far as Aaron Glenn... he got smoked by Gates, who hasnt played football in 4 years...


...so much for technique huh? :hehe:

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mes311
09-15-2004, 03:18 PM
I think that was Eric Brown that kept getting burned by Gates.

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 03:19 PM
...so much for technique huh? :hehe:

[/JOKE!!]
huh? did i miss something?

Vinny
09-15-2004, 03:21 PM
numbers mean nothing... unless he played CB in college, AJ wouldnt be a good corner... Corner is a technique position, and it would be stupid to put a WR at the DB position... as far as Aaron Glenn... he got smoked by Gates, who hasnt played football in 4 years... Actually Glenn had the short zone and the FS Coleman was the one smoked by Parker and Brees. Parker was Coleman's resposibility on that play. Brees looked Coleman off and he bit hard.

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 03:24 PM
I think that was Eric Brown that kept getting burned by Gates.
i dunno who was covering the whole game, but on the NFL network they said Gates was stepping up earlier then expected, and he did so well the Texans had to put Aaron Glenn on him, and then it showed a replay Glenn getting burned by Gates 1 time...

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 03:26 PM
huh? did i miss something?


*sighs*

You said that corner is a technique position yet a guy that hadn't played football in 4 years burned a guy that is recognized as being one of the best at his positions in the NFL......so much for technique.

Did you miss something.....yeah, it's long gone too....went way over your head. :hehe:

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 03:28 PM
I did hear something about Glenn covering Gates a couple of times but for the most part it was Eric Brown getting burned (covering) Antonio Gates.

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 03:29 PM
*sighs*

You said that corner is a technique position yet a guy that hadn't played football in 4 years burned a guy that is recognized as being one of the best at his positions in the NFL......so much for technique.

Did you miss something.....yeah, it's long gone too....went way over your head. :hehe:
i said cornerback is a techniqe position, not WR... so i think my point is the one that is long gone...

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 03:32 PM
i said cornerback is a techniqe position, not WR... so i think my point is the one that is long gone...

lol: WT F??

I know you said cornerback was.....what are you smoking???

Diehardtexan
09-15-2004, 03:33 PM
i dunno who was covering the whole game, but on the NFL network they said Gates was stepping up earlier then expected, and he did so well the Texans had to put Aaron Glenn on him, and then it showed a replay Glenn getting burned by Gates 1 time...Glen was the spy on that play that you are talking about...I think the line backer was suppose to step back on that play.

infantrycak
09-15-2004, 03:33 PM
i dunno who was covering the whole game, but on the NFL network they said Gates was stepping up earlier then expected, and he did so well the Texans had to put Aaron Glenn on him, and then it showed a replay Glenn getting burned by Gates 1 time...

Funny, that sounds just like John Clayton's little segment on Sportscenter--he mentions Glenn and then the clip shows Eric Brown.

RTP2110
09-15-2004, 03:41 PM
I saw that too, I have no idea why he said Glenn was on Gates. In every clip it was Brown.

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 03:49 PM
This is for the DetroitLions dude since he's still a little confused...let me simplify this for him a bit.

You said that the cornerback position is position that calls for technique. Aaron Glenn is considered among many to be one of the best corners in the league as he has made it to the pro bowl multiple times at this technique position.

We have that out of the way.......right? Good!

What good is it to be one of the best at this technique position if some guy who hasn't played football in 4 years comes in and skools you on some plays, hence the comment I made, "so much for technique."

I htmled it since there are some very hypercritical Texans fans here (including myself :hehe: ) and thought some would get a little hot under the collar thinking I was bashing Glenn, which I wasn't. It was all for good humor. Hey, that guy a.j. joked around in his "voice of the fan" article on the houstontexans.com site. SEE HERE (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1021)

RTP2110
09-15-2004, 03:51 PM
Don't worry SBTexans08, some of us got it the 1st time.

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 04:11 PM
This is for the DetroitLions dude since he's still a little confused...let me simplify this for him a bit.

You said that the cornerback position is position that calls for technique. Aaron Glenn is considered among many to be one of the best corners in the league as he has made it to the pro bowl multiple times at this technique position.

We have that out of the way.......right? Good!

What good is it to be one of the best at this technique position if some guy who hasn't played football in 4 years comes in and skools you on some plays, hence the comment I made, "so much for technique."

I htmled it since there are some very hypercritical Texans fans here (including myself :hehe: ) and thought some would get a little hot under the collar thinking I was bashing Glenn, which I wasn't. It was all for good humor. Hey, that guy a.j. joked around in his "voice of the fan" article on the houstontexans.com site. SEE HERE (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1021)
First off Glenn isnt even a top 20 corner, because he is over the hill... and second my point is that any shmoe can jump in and play WR, but you need ALOT of technique to play CB, hence AJ couldnt play CB...

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 04:16 PM
First off Glenn isnt even a top 20 corner, because he is over the hill... and second my point is that any shmoe can jump in and play WR, but you need ALOT of technique to play CB, hence AJ couldnt play CB...

Dude...you're beating yourself up for nothing. This has become a perpetual argument without importance. If it makes you feel any better........you win. :yap

I said he's considered one of the best among many....that doesn't not mean he's in the 20, top 10, whatever number you want to put up!

TexansTrueFan
09-15-2004, 04:18 PM
You think Aaron Glenn isnt still a pro bowl type corner ? He's still just as quick as ya boy Roy. And i bet Williams wont burn off and get a score on A.G. Your guy plays ONE game and you think he's ready to burn the top corners in the league ? I admit he will be good but he still has a lot of learning to do ,,,,,expect him to be shut down by Glenn !

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 04:23 PM
You think Aaron Glenn isnt still a pro bowl type corner ? He's still just as quick as ya boy Roy. And i bet Williams wont burn off and get a score on A.G. Your guy plays ONE game and you think he's ready to burn the top corners in the league ? I admit he will be good but he still has a lot of learning to do ,,,,,expect him to be shut down by Glenn !
i never said Roy would burn Glenn... i said if AJ played CB on Roy, Roy would burn AJ... and i never said Glenn wasnt good, and Glenn probably has the leg up on Roy because of experience...but i doubt he will shut down Roy... not that this means anything, but Roy is 6 inches taller then Glenn...

TexasJedi
09-15-2004, 04:26 PM
I did hear something about Glenn covering Gates a couple of times but for the most part it was Eric Brown getting burned (covering) Antonio Gates.

I know what you mean. I'm watching SportsCenter when the Inside the Huddle report comes on w/ John Clayton. He talks about Glenn getting beat by Gates, but they show ERIC BROWN getting smoked. Glenn is #31 not #24 ESPN!

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 04:38 PM
i never said Roy would burn Glenn... i said if AJ played CB on Roy, Roy would burn AJ... and i never said Glenn wasnt good, and Glenn probably has the leg up on Roy because of experience...but i doubt he will shut down Roy... not that this means anything, but Roy is 6 inches taller then Glenn...

Size has nothing to do with it buddy. If that was the case it'd be paramount that a CB be over 6' to contend with 6' or more tall recievers.

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 04:47 PM
Size has nothing to do with it buddy. If that was the case it'd be paramount that a CB be over 6' to contend with 6' or more tall recievers.
im just saying, there is only 1 shutdown corner in the entire league that is under 5'10... that man is Antoine Winfield and he is borderline shutdown...

Kingzofthejungle
09-15-2004, 05:08 PM
You think Aaron Glenn isnt still a pro bowl type corner ? He's still just as quick as ya boy Roy. And i bet Williams wont burn off and get a score on A.G. Your guy plays ONE game and you think he's ready to burn the top corners in the league ? I admit he will be good but he still has a lot of learning to do ,,,,,expect him to be shut down by Glenn !

No he is not still a Pro-Bowl Corner. And if you think that then you are really in trouble. I hope your defensive coached feel the same way and leave ROY in signle coverage against him. Glenn is on his last legs. In addition he is like 5'9 and 185. He will be overmatched by the 6,3 220 Williams. ROY is also much faster than Glenn. You guys better double him. Roy will manhandle any of your small DBs...period! And yes he is ready to burn DBs. You run the route, You see the ball, You catch the ball. It ain't that hard to do!

And for the guy that said AJ was a classy and quiet dude. Please he was a loud mouth cocky player at Miami and nothing has changed. Maybe he hasn't done anything in Texas yet, but he is far from a Choir Boy.

SESupergenius
09-15-2004, 05:18 PM
Vinny where did you read that? That is exactly how I saw it. Looked like were forming a diamond with Coleman being the deep man and the corners staying in zone.

texasguy346
09-15-2004, 05:25 PM
Yeah you see where that CB put up his hand for AJ to help him up and AJ slapped his hand away ....

That was actually a LB. It was Donnie Edwards. He was trying to pry the ball out of AJ's arms after he was on the ground. That's why AJ slapped his hand away when he wanted help to get up.

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 05:25 PM
I find it rather weird how you Lions fans are really cocky for this game considering you guys caused 4 turnovers and only won by 4 points. Throw in the fact that Chicago is hurting on their secondary some and I'd say the Lions didn't do so great. Had they not won the turnover ratio you guys would have lost.

I'm not taking the Lions lightly but I'm excited about this match up...seems like you guys are taking the Texans lightly however after winning by only a 4 point margin against a team (Bears) that doesn't square up against the Texans talent wise...and somewhat on certain positions, more so on the secondary positions.

Vinny
09-15-2004, 05:32 PM
Vinny where did you read that? That is exactly how I saw it. Looked like were forming a diamond with Coleman being the deep man and the corners staying in zone.Hey ses, it was on 610am in one of the post game shows on Monday. I don't remember if it was the Dom Capers show or the Aaron Glenn show (one or the other). If you watch the replay take a look at Brees looking left and then making the pivot to the right and throwing a strike for the TD as Coleman bit on the action on Brees's left.

Kingzofthejungle
09-15-2004, 05:47 PM
I find it rather weird how you Lions fans are really cocky for this game considering you guys caused 4 turnovers and only won by 4 points. Throw in the fact that Chicago is hurting on their secondary some and I'd say the Lions didn't do so great. Had they not won the turnover ratio you guys would have lost.

I'm not taking the Lions lightly but I'm excited about this match up...seems like you guys are taking the Texans lightly however after winning by only a 4 point margin against a team (Bears) that doesn't square up against the Texans talent wise...and somewhat on certain positions, more so on the secondary positions.

Actually the Bears Defense was really impressive. They have very good LBS, They have a shutdoen corner in Tillman and Mike Brown is a really good safety. Both are rated higher than any of your guys. They also have a Pro-bowl LB in Urlacher so I am not sure where you get your info from.

On offense you guys might be slightly ahead of them, but not by much. Davis is still a 2nd year player, same for AJ and Carr well he is in the same boat as Joey H. You forget you are coming to our house. We are a much better home team. Also last time I checked it doesn't matter if you win by 1 or 100 it still is a win.

Just an FYI, I think overall we are pretty even talent wise, but I don't see you guys beating us at home. We should prevail 28-14.

Alot of you guys are predicting beating us by 10-14 points. I doubt that at all maybe 2 or 3 at the most, if you win. You won't though! :thumbdown

DetroitLions
09-15-2004, 05:53 PM
I find it rather weird how you Lions fans are really cocky for this game considering you guys caused 4 turnovers and only won by 4 points. Throw in the fact that Chicago is hurting on their secondary some and I'd say the Lions didn't do so great. Had they not won the turnover ratio you guys would have lost.

I'm not taking the Lions lightly but I'm excited about this match up...seems like you guys are taking the Texans lightly however after winning by only a 4 point margin against a team (Bears) that doesn't square up against the Texans talent wise...and somewhat on certain positions, more so on the secondary positions.
If you havent noticed, alot of Texans fans are being very cocky themselves...... the Texans lost...... at home......... and to add insult to injury, to the chargers..... im not counting out the Texans, but on the other hand i dont count out any team... when you are the Lions you cannot afford to...

tsquared
09-15-2004, 05:57 PM
No he is not still a Pro-Bowl Corner. And if you think that then you are really in trouble.
And for the guy that said AJ was a classy and quiet dude. Please he was a loud mouth cocky player at Miami and nothing has changed. Maybe he hasn't done anything in Texas yet, but he is far from a Choir Boy.

Aaron Glenn is one injury plagued season removed from being a Pro Bowl player...check the 2002 Pro Bowl rosters...don't count one of the hardest working and smartest...not to mention most well respected by his peers...DB's in the league out....also someone in here mentioned he wasn't even in the top 20 CBs in the league anymore...I challenge someone to name me 20 CB's better than Aaron in the league.

Secondly, AJ being loud mouth and cocky....think you better check your facts Kingz my boy...AJ has always been quiet and respectful...don't let the overall reputation of the school and some of his team mates...(can you say KWII) prejudice your opinion of a very classy young man.

Lucky
09-15-2004, 05:59 PM
If you watch the replay take a look at Brees looking left and then making the pivot to the right and throwing a strike for the TD as Coleman bit on the action on Brees's left.I going to come to Coleman's defense on this one. Brees took a 5 step drop and looked at the slant. Had Coleman not jumped on that route, Brees would have picked up another 3rd & long. Most of the time when a QB takes a 5 step drop, he has to get rid of the ball. That the QB had the time to come off that receiver, step up in the pocket, and look for Parker on the seam route is a strike against the pass rush.

Glenn was also in a deep zone, but had a WR outside Parker on the right. Glenn & Coleman both went with the shorter routes, the pass rush didn't get there, TD San Diego. Excellent play design that was well executed starting with a great job by the Charger O-line.

SBTexans08
09-15-2004, 06:01 PM
Sure the Texans lost at home but we lost bad in the turnover ratio, -4 and still only lost by 7 points. Had we not lost those (we won't next week) we would have made a blow out performance, no doubt! If we would have caused 4 turnovers on the Chargers like you guys did on the Bears.....my friend...we would have left the game 35-0!! The Texans' defense didn't do so well last week against the Chargers but I'm sure they'll go into Detroit performing in a defensive playoff performance. Last but not least, our offense is much more menacing than the Lions IMO.

TheOgre
09-15-2004, 06:13 PM
We are an unpredictable lot. 2002 we lost to a very bad Bengals game at home but we beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh and a decent Giants team. In 2003 we surprised the Dolphins (in Miami) in the opener, beat the Panthers, and took the Patriots to OT. We turned around and lost to the Vinny led Jets at home and were blown out by the Jags on the road.

My point is that you never know what you will get with us. It is easily conceiveable for us to lose to the Chargers and turn around and beat y'all.

texasguy346
09-15-2004, 06:17 PM
I recall seeing Wright covering Gates, but I never saw Glenn on him. I'm not sure where ESPN got that, but perhaps he was on him a play or two and we missed it. I saw Wong on him, but I think Brown was primarily assigned to him early on at least.

King must be channeling the wrong Miami reciever. AJ isn't like Irvin or Winslow. He barely talks above a whisper, but if you're sure it was AJ then perhaps you could find an article with one of his 'loud mouth, cocky' quotes.

As far as Roy burning Glenn you might want to rethink that. Weren't your starting corners for this year Dre Bly (5'10 185) and Fernando Bryant (5'11 175)? I know Bly is out, but are you forgetting AJ's (6'3 219) size and speed. I assume Andre Goodman(5'10 185) is starting in place of Bly. Using your logic Sam Madison, Terrance Newman, Duane Starks, and Patrick Surtain would all be getting burnt due to their lack of size. Guess that also means that small WRs like Harrison and Steve Smith must be blanketed all the time? I'm all for debating football, but at least come with some facts, and not soley homerism.

HoustonLionsFan
09-15-2004, 06:20 PM
I find it rather weird how you Lions fans are really cocky for this game...

I'm not taking the Lions lightly but I'm excited about this match up...seems like you guys are taking the Texans lightly however after winning by only a 4 point margin against a team (Bears) that doesn't square up against the Texans talent wise...and somewhat on certain positions, more so on the secondary positions.

Actually, most educated lions fans are nervous about this one. It is like the guy above me (Ogre?) said^^^, unpredicatable. I believe most Lions fans think the Lions will pull it out only because they are at home, all the rest on the DuMB are just kids that don't know what they are talking about and just want to talk sh*t.

Kingzofthejungle
09-15-2004, 07:12 PM
Actually, most educated lions fans are nervous about this one. It is like the guy above me (Ogre?) said^^^, unpredicatable. I believe most Lions fans think the Lions will pull it out only because they are at home, all the rest on the DuMB are just kids that don't know what they are talking about and just want to talk sh*t.

Hey Houston. I am an educated Lion Fan and I am also an adult. You keep defending Lions Fans who are talking smack, well you can talk smack and be respectful in how you do it as long as we don't cross the line. I also am not really all that worried about this game. It will be very hard for the Texans to travel to Detroit, Play a non-conference fo and win this game. First we are tough to beat at home no matter how talented we may or may not be and this year we happen to have way way mre talent then in recent year when we beat teams much better than the Texans. Second of all intense purposes the Texans outplayed the Charges last week and still lost. All be it due to turnovers, but they still played well.

Everyone assumed they will play just as well just without the turnovers. I beg to differ. I think we are much better than San Diego and turnovers or not they will lose. Ford Field is a tough place to play. Also I believe our offense will be much better than last week and the D will only get better. We had alot of guys play last week who were coming off injuries and had not practiced or played much in the pre-season. Especially on D.

I think a 28-14 outcome is very realistic. Really no knock on the Texans I just think we are much more confident after all the adversity we faced last week and the home opener is always a high energy game for us.

The Texans will need alot if breaks to keep this one close.

Kingzofthejungle
09-15-2004, 07:13 PM
Sure the Texans lost at home but we lost bad in the turnover ratio, -4 and still only lost by 7 points. Had we not lost those (we won't next week) we would have made a blow out performance, no doubt! If we would have caused 4 turnovers on the Chargers like you guys did on the Bears.....my friend...we would have left the game 35-0!! The Texans' defense didn't do so well last week against the Chargers but I'm sure they'll go into Detroit performing in a defensive playoff performance. Last but not least, our offense is much more menacing than the Lions IMO.

Would've, Could've, Should've.

HoustonLionsFan
09-15-2004, 07:21 PM
Hey Houston. I am an educated Lion Fan and I am also an adult. You keep defending Lions Fans who are talking smack, well you can talk smack and be respectful in how you do it as long as we don't cross the line. I also am not really all that worried about this game.
That's why I said most. Your analysis has been very good, better than mine in many cases. I was referring mostly to the kids at the official message board that are saying Det is going to kill Houston because they lost to SD etc...without taking Hou seriously

It will be very hard for the Texans to travel to Detroit, Play a non-conference fo and win this game. First we are tough to beat at home no matter how talented we may or may not be...
That is why, and only why I pick the Lions in a close one.

RTP2110
09-15-2004, 08:29 PM
No he is not still a Pro-Bowl Corner. And if you think that then you are really in trouble. I hope your defensive coached feel the same way and leave ROY in signle coverage against him. Glenn is on his last legs. In addition he is like 5'9 and 185. He will be overmatched by the 6,3 220 Williams. ROY is also much faster than Glenn. You guys better double him. Roy will manhandle any of your small DBs...period! And yes he is ready to burn DBs. You run the route, You see the ball, You catch the ball. It ain't that hard to do!.


Glenn was just in the Pro-Bowl in 2002, he's been covering guys taller than him his enitre career and he's been just fine. And why do you keep trying to sell us on Roy Williams? We've watched him for the last 4 years, and you have seen him for 1 game. We know what he can do, and we know what Glenn can do. Glenn has the advantage in this match-up.

TexansTrueFan
09-15-2004, 08:41 PM
Ok we can keep on talking about who will win and why they will win how close and a blow out,,,,but the fact is that Lion fans expect the LIONS to win and, the texans fans expect the TEXANS to win. So let me make my guess.............hmmm..............tough decision.......................ok...........
i saw texans 31 and lions 17 there were yall suprised who i picked ? No cause i'm a texans fan !!! So lions fans we know you THINK ur lions will win so ya dont have to keep repeating it we GET IT !!!! Do yall like to be let down by the way ....maybe heart broken ???? just curious !

Chance_C
09-15-2004, 08:48 PM
i saw texans 31 and lions 17

I'm really looking forward to scoring 30 points or more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we haven't yet right? I'm also looking for Carr to throw for more than 300 yards. Not yet either right? I would like for it to happen this Sunday, but I'm not counting on it. Matter of fact the edge goes to Detroit because of Ford Field. I think it's a winnable game, but it concerns me.

TexansTrueFan
09-15-2004, 08:58 PM
Thats correct buddy YET beign the key word !!!! YET my friend

RTP2110
09-15-2004, 09:08 PM
We have never scored 30, but Carr has passed for 300. It was last year @TEN, I think he had 371 or something like that.

Vinny
09-15-2004, 09:29 PM
We have never scored 30, but Carr has passed for 300. It was last year @TEN, I think he had 371 or something like that.

Carr has had one 300 yard day, 19 sub-200 yard days, and 8 200+ yard days. His big day was 371 yards with 2 TD's and 3 INT's

TexanExile
09-15-2004, 09:41 PM
And for the guy that said AJ was a classy and quiet dude. Please he was a loud mouth cocky player at Miami and nothing has changed. Maybe he hasn't done anything in Texas yet, but he is far from a Choir Boy.

Kingz, with all due respect, you're totally off the trail on this one. As someone who lives waaaaay too close to the Cane Nation, I definitely recall Andre as being one of the few Canes who had his head on straight. He IS a relatively soft-spoken guy who focuses on the business at hand. His comments on Joe Horn's ridiculous celebrations last year confirm that he's still that way. Don't let the Cane stereotype (which I think is VERY valid) get in the way of your opinion of AJ.

Now, how he managed to STAY quiet around the bunch of loudmouths at U-M remains a mystery to me....I just hope your boy Roy follows the classy road, because I loved to watch him dominate in Austin! I also hope he stays healthy--but has a really bad day Sunday. :hehe:

JDizzle
09-15-2004, 11:37 PM
First off Glenn isnt even a top 20 corner, because he is over the hill... and second my point is that any shmoe can jump in and play WR, but you need ALOT of technique to play CB, hence AJ couldnt play CB...

How do you guage this? Which criteria do you use to 'rank' a cornerback? Unless you have the previous 5 years of game film on Aaron Glenn, then you need to retract that statement. Age doesn't equal effectiveness, and last season, Chad Johnson and Marvin Harrison both said he was one of the best in the league. I trust their opinion on him much more than yours.

Detroit Lions suxors teh big one!111

DetroitLions
09-16-2004, 09:00 AM
HEY I GOTTA QUESTION??????? HOW WOULD HE BURN AJ IF HE WOULD NEVER ESCAPE THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE????? THE GIANT IS NOT A SOFT PERSON, HE WOULD PUT ROY ON HIS @$$ BEFORE HE COULD GET OUT OF HIS STANCE.

NOT SAYING HE CAN PLAY CORNER. IT WAS A BIG JOKE THAT I PUT ON THE FIRST PAGE ANYWAY. GO TEACH YOUR QB HOW TO NOT INJURE HIS RECIEVER/RECIEVERS WHEN HE THROWS THE BALL. (CHARLIE??????)
Roy is probably strondger then AJ... plus he runs a 4.4 40...

SBTexans08
09-16-2004, 09:25 AM
I have the Lions losing at the very least by 10.

Texans 31
Lions 21

......at the very least. Come on Sunday!!!! :excited:

infantrycak
09-16-2004, 09:49 AM
Roy is probably strondger then AJ... plus he runs a 4.4 40...

You lose a lot of credibility when you make a statement like that. Look everyone around here likes RW a lot, but one look at the two of them shows a marked difference with AJ appearing much stronger (might have something to do with the almost 20 lbs of extra muscle AJ has on RW)--and by the way AJ runs a sub 4.4 40--believe he ran a 4.38 at the combine and 4.28 at his pro-day.

The Texans were fully represented when Johnson ran a 4.28 and had a 41-inch vertical at his March 6 pro-day workout. GM Charley Casserly was in attendance and could very well use his teamís No. 3 overall pick to select a top target for David Carr, like Johnson.

Link (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2003/wwhi040403.htm)

JustBonee
09-16-2004, 04:23 PM
RW's catch last week against the Bears
http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/09/13/sports/lions/9.jpg

...... wouldn't happen against the TEXANS!! :twocents:

TexansTrueFan
09-16-2004, 05:01 PM
Theres no way Roy will make a Catch like that against us !!! Heck he'll be lucky to make any,,,,, And stronger than A.J ????? Have you even seen Andre play he's BIG and Physical his arms are bigger than Roys whole body !

DetroitLions
09-16-2004, 06:31 PM
Theres no way Roy will make a Catch like that against us !!! Heck he'll be lucky to make any,,,,, And stronger than A.J ????? Have you even seen Andre play he's BIG and Physical his arms are bigger than Roys whole body !
i can garuntee Roy will make a catch, but you guys were right about Andre being stronger... my bad...

BornOrange
09-16-2004, 08:47 PM
and one of you lions fans said that roy is faster than glenn? well glenn is one of them players that i dont think has lost a step. he is just as fast as he was in 02 and no one just ran straight past him in 02 and the only person that might have a chance of doing that this year is randy moss. i know glenn is faster than dre bly though. haha roy wasnt even faster than his own in collage QB . ANDRE IS FASTER THAN ROY. andre won indor 60m and 100 meter outdoor titles in collage the big east championships in 02. i dont have official times but it had to be around the 10.2 range. thats pretty fast for a 6.3 230 dude plus andre ran 4.38 in combine

Roy Williams was third at the Texas state high school championships his senior year in high school with a time of 10.48 in the 100 meter dash. He also set a state record in the long jump with a leap of 25-6. He also finished second in the high jump by clearing 6-10 (although he had the same height as the winner, he was second because he had more misses during the competition). All by himself, he finished in fourth place among all 5A schools at the 2000 meet.
Roy's 2000 state meet (http://www.dyestat.com/rivals/204973.html)

Roy also ran a hand-timed 10.08 that year.
Roy's 10.08 (http://web.gosanangelo.com/archive/00/april/8/s8.htm)

Andre Johnson was first at the Big East conference championship his junior year in college with a with a time of 10.59 in the 100 meter dash. If he had run in the same high school race as Roy Williams, he would have finished tied for fifth place.
AJ's Big East meet (http://www.monmouth.com/~scullion/2002outd/bigeastm.htm)

Jwwillis
09-16-2004, 09:18 PM
Actually the Bears Defense was really impressive. They have very good LBS, They have a shutdoen corner in Tillman and Mike Brown is a really good safety. Both are rated higher than any of your guys. They also have a Pro-bowl LB in Urlacher so I am not sure where you get your info from.

On offense you guys might be slightly ahead of them, but not by much. Davis is still a 2nd year player, same for AJ and Carr well he is in the same boat as Joey H. You forget you are coming to our house. We are a much better home team. Also last time I checked it doesn't matter if you win by 1 or 100 it still is a win.

Just an FYI, I think overall we are pretty even talent wise, but I don't see you guys beating us at home. We should prevail 28-14.

Alot of you guys are predicting beating us by 10-14 points. I doubt that at all maybe 2 or 3 at the most, if you win. You won't though! :thumbdown

Holy Smokes! How do the Lions fans come off as If they are the defending SB champs? They won a road game and it is considered a huge milestone. The Texans beat Miami on the road for there home opener last year and went 5-11. The patriots went 0-2 to start the season and won the SB. If we are even talent wise why do you have the Lions scoring twice as many points as the Texans? The Lions havent won a playoff game in what...35yrs? Your coach said that both of our teams are similar in that they are both developing clubs. What?! almost 40yrs of existance? You guys have no idea what its like to be an expansion team with NO debth. Also, EVERYBODY thinks that there home field is brutal. It just another road game bro. Also, at the RB position tenure is not as important. Earl Campbell won the rusing title his rookie year. And Oh Yea that Chicago defense is some powerhouse Im sure we suck compared to them. Bottom line is you SHOULD win this game easily considering the Texans are in there 3rd yr. and they are on the road.

TexanExile
09-16-2004, 09:44 PM
This "Ford Field is a tough place for visiting teams" is a cute idea and all, but it didn't seem to stop the Chargers from whipping the Lions in Detroit last December, did it?

So before we continue with the "nyah nyah, Texans lost to SD" stuff, let's remember that the Lions laid an egg at home against the Chargers too, late last season. Back then, there was NO DOUBT that SD was horrible. Heck, I think they even coughed up the ball more than Detroit, and the Lions STILL lost. Anything can happen.

LionsAllTheWay
09-16-2004, 09:54 PM
Holy Smokes! How do the Lions fans come off as If they are the defending SB champs? They won a road game and it is considered a huge milestone. The Texans beat Miami on the road for there home opener last year and went 5-11. The patriots went 0-2 to start the season and won the SB. If we are even talent wise why do you have the Lions scoring twice as many points as the Texans? The Lions havent won a playoff game in what...35yrs? Your coach said that both of our teams are similar in that they are both developing clubs. What?! almost 40yrs of existance?

Lions beat the Cowboys 38 to 6 in 1991, in the Divisional playoffs, after a bye week from their 12-4 record, and proceeded to lose to the Redskins in the NFC championship game, who went on to win the superbowl against the Bills, a team the lions had just beaten a month earlier, at Buffalo.

2000 was a bad year. Coach gone, lost a lot of players, had to completely rebuild the team from the Bobby Ross power football to west coast offense. You are developing, we are re-emerging after a rough stretch, something all NFL teams (including the 4 time world champ Detroit Lions) go through. Team has been in existence since 1930, and in Detroit since 1934.

I see this as a close game that the Lions win.

Boris
09-16-2004, 10:01 PM
Andre Johnson was first at the Big East conference championship his junior year in college with a with a time of 10.59 in the 100 meter dash. If he had run in the same high school race as Roy Williams, he would have finished tied for fifth place.

AJ's strength allows him to retain his speed while wearing pads. :boxing:

BornOrange
09-16-2004, 11:13 PM
AJ's strength allows him to retain his speed while wearing pads. :boxing:
Pads don't slow down Roy.

defwins
09-17-2004, 06:02 PM
Kingz seems to be overconfident, its True we didn't look that good. But it was 2 weeks since our starters ha played. No excuses this game will be tough for the Lions. Should be close, but we usually play well at home. roy and Andre are very similiar both will be pro bowl WR i think. Once Joey and Mooch open things up on Offense it should be interesting.

Roy has shown some amazing skills thus far. I only hoped we drafter Andre instead of C Rog. Would be nice to have the two lining up this year.

I think this game will go into OT. By no means are either of us where we want to be.

DoCt3rJ
09-17-2004, 06:12 PM
Personally.... I think Dunta is gonna have trouble covering Roy, or hell, even Glenn is. I think he has 100+ yards and a TD.

jacquescas
09-17-2004, 06:31 PM
Did dunta ever play Roy in college? did they match up with each other? does anyone know any details of that?

BornOrange
09-17-2004, 06:42 PM
Texas never played South Carolina while Roy was there.

In fact, I don't know if the two schools have ever played each other. I know they haven't played each other over the last 15 years.

TexansTrueFan
09-17-2004, 07:34 PM
Lions beat the Cowboys 38 to 6 in 1991, in the Divisional playoffs, after a bye week from their 12-4 record, and proceeded to lose to the Redskins in the NFC championship game, who went on to win the superbowl against the Bills, a team the lions had just beaten a month earlier, at Buffalo.

2000 was a bad year. Coach gone, lost a lot of players, had to completely rebuild the team from the Bobby Ross power football to west coast offense. You are developing, we are re-emerging after a rough stretch, something all NFL teams (including the 4 time world champ Detroit Lions) go through. Team has been in existence since 1930, and in Detroit since 1934.

I see this as a close game that the Lions win.

4 time world champs huh,,,wow thats impressive ! When was this back in the 1940s and 50s ???? come on since then yall have barley been contenders ! We have just as likly a chance of getting there as you do ! :crazy:

DetroitLions
09-18-2004, 01:16 AM
This "Ford Field is a tough place for visiting teams" is a cute idea and all, but it didn't seem to stop the Chargers from whipping the Lions in Detroit last December, did it?

So before we continue with the "nyah nyah, Texans lost to SD" stuff, let's remember that the Lions laid an egg at home against the Chargers too, late last season. Back then, there was NO DOUBT that SD was horrible. Heck, I think they even coughed up the ball more than Detroit, and the Lions STILL lost. Anything can happen.
again, the Lions and Texans seem to shadow each other again... The Lions nor Texans got best by the San Diego Chargers... they both got beat by LT... the best PLAYER in football...

BornOrange
09-19-2004, 07:40 PM
You think Aaron Glenn isnt still a pro bowl type corner ? He's still just as quick as ya boy Roy. And i bet Williams wont burn off and get a score on A.G. Your guy plays ONE game and you think he's ready to burn the top corners in the league ? I admit he will be good but he still has a lot of learning to do ,,,,,expect him to be shut down by Glenn !
Yeah, Aaron Glenn really looked like a Pro Bowler today against Roy.

BornOrange
09-19-2004, 07:41 PM
unfortuneatly we have a weapon to stop Roy. Aaron Glenn. Say what you want, but a rookie WR starting his 2nd game of the season is going to have trouble matched up against an all-pro multiple probowl corner all night. Glenn will shut down Williams and leave Dunta to hand Tai Streets.

Roy Williams will have a tough time making an impact this week. As for the rest of the season, i think he will be a stud, this week he will learn alot since he will be the key focus of the defense.

Yeah, Aaron Glenn really shut down Roy Williams today.

beerlover
09-19-2004, 07:57 PM
Roy Williams is even better than I expected. I like Andre alot but......Roy Williams has awesome hands, both have terrific work ethic and overall professional behavior, class acts. Detroit clearly had the class draft of this past season, the Texans fared better than average both Robinson & Babin are solid but the Lions have a #1 WR with a #1 RB plus extra #1 pick next year. At least they (Lions) can take solace in the fact that while Charles Rogers is a bust (Twice broken collar bone) Roy Williams is not only the equal of Andre Johnson he looks to be worth that #2 overall pick.

Tulip
09-19-2004, 09:27 PM
Even though I pretty much expected this from Roy, I was still a bit surprised. The Longhorns non-use of Roy last year really did a number on our collective memories.

I didn't realize that Detroit had drafted 4 Longhorns in the past 4 years. It's easy to find bargains from Texas, I guess. The coaches at UT have no clue how to tap into the talent they recruit. It's such a waste.

HoustonLionsFan
09-19-2004, 09:42 PM
Even though I pretty much expected this from Roy, I was still a bit surprised. The Longhorns non-use of Roy last year really did a number on our collective memories.

I didn't realize that Detroit had drafted 4 Longhorns in the past 4 years. It's easy to find bargains from Texas, I guess. The coaches at UT have no clue how to tap into the talent they recruit. It's such a waste.

3 are starters too. I have no idea where Westbrook is idonno:

Kingzofthejungle
09-19-2004, 10:00 PM
I guess I must know something. ROY is a beast rookie of the year!

Ihategeeks
09-19-2004, 10:16 PM
Roy Williams is even better than I expected. I like Andre alot but......Roy Williams has awesome hands, both have terrific work ethic and overall professional behavior, class acts. Detroit clearly had the class draft of this past season, the Texans fared better than average both Robinson & Babin are solid but the Lions have a #1 WR with a #1 RB plus extra #1 pick next year. At least they (Lions) can take solace in the fact that while Charles Rogers is a bust (Twice broken collar bone) Roy Williams is not only the equal of Andre Johnson he looks to be worth that #2 overall pick.

How is he a bust exactly? Most WR's don't go nutz until year three, and Rogers has shown he can dominate at the NFL level.

Bust implies he has no talent....if you want to say injury prone, I fire back. It's the "SAME" injury, and now they replaced that injury with metal

We can rebuld him

Faster
Stronger
the 42 million dollar man

beerlover
09-19-2004, 10:20 PM
How is he a bust exactly? Most WR's don't go nutz until year three, and Rogers has shown he can dominate at the NFL level.

Bust implies he has no talent....if you want to say injury prone, I fire back. It's the "SAME" injury, and now they replaced that injury with metal

We can rebuld him

Faster
Stronger
the 42 million dollar man

You just answered your own queston, 42 MILLION reasons. lol:

Ihategeeks
09-19-2004, 10:46 PM
You just answered your own queston, 42 MILLION reasons. lol:

Thats not his contract, I was just picking a high number, but if you want a lions bust

Stocker McDougal Right Tackle

20th selection in the 2000 draft

Big Disapointment, is only an average player.

(then you can look at recent history :rofl: Gisbson, Fair) Anyway, I know what a bust is. Rogers is way too talented to be a bust based only on his collarbone injury.