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HJam72
08-22-2006, 08:16 PM
Little article on Morency, his problems early in camp with blocking, and his emergence in preseason game #2. I thought it was pretty good.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2782&section=Texans%20Insider



edit: Oh, I forgot. You probably need a subscription to the free content (Texans Insider) to see it. I don't know. Maybe we can post the whole thing here. Beats me.

Frills
08-23-2006, 02:05 AM
Which is why if DD doesn't make it back it might be better for the Texans.

At least Lundy held someone versus the DD nonexistant blitz pickups. Missing all practices, and never having the desire to help protect Carr, he should be buried for the first 6 weeks on the PuP list

eric138
08-23-2006, 08:08 AM
Lundy?? We must have watched different games. I just re-watched the game lastnight looking for certain details and Lundy was blind to End's running right by him. When they put Morency in things changed and you saw him cutting anyone who even thought about getting close to Carr. Lundy will pick this up and prove to be the best but right now I think Morency is on top.

Marcus
08-23-2006, 08:28 AM
Which is why if DD doesn't make it back it might be better for the Texans.

At least Lundy held someone versus the DD nonexistant blitz pickups. Missing all practices, and never having the desire to help protect Carr, he should be buried for the first 6 weeks on the PuP list

shhhhhh . . . someone might get mad at you for saying that . . . (even though it's true) :hides:

19-10
08-23-2006, 08:54 AM
shhhhhh . . . someone might get mad at you for saying that . . . (even though it's true) :hides:


FINALLY somone said it. I don't understand the blind loyalty to DD by some on the board. He's slightly above average at running, good at catching/running and that's really it. Well besides being a no blocking, injury waiting to happen. Bring on the new guys!!!

infantrycak
08-23-2006, 09:12 AM
At least Lundy held someone versus the DD nonexistant blitz pickups. Missing all practices, and never having the desire to help protect Carr, he should be buried for the first 6 weeks on the PuP list

Wow, so in addition to being able to see DD's clear problems in pass protection you can look into his heart and see it is due to lack of desire? You should be out at the airport as the desire checker instead of all these metal detectors, etc.

texan279
08-23-2006, 09:26 AM
So it takes the guy getting injured and being out for months for some to speak how they really feel about certain players? Maybe I am wrong, but I have always said DD was a good, not a great back. I guess instead of Carr threads I should get ready for the DD threads...:hides:

Marcus
08-23-2006, 09:33 AM
Wow, so in addition to being able to see DD's clear problems in pass protection you can look into his heart and see it is due to lack of desire? You should be out at the airport as the desire checker instead of all these metal detectors, etc.

Oh, that's a cute one, cak.

I did watch those games last season. All those sacks that Carr took . . . on plays that DD didn't run out for the dump pass, where his assignment was to stay back and block . . . well, lets' just say I thought his . .ahem. . 'execution' was something that I would regard as going through the motions, even when he was in the right spot, which wasn't very often.

Go ahead and slam me, but that's my opinion.

HJam72
08-23-2006, 09:55 AM
Morency has learned to run straight ahead and block well under the tutelage of Gary Kubiak and Mike Sherman. DD hasn't had a chance to practice for them yet and be trained. Maybe his blocking would improve as well if he had the same chance to learn. I doubt it would be great or anything, but it might get a lot better. He's been a terrible blocker, yes, but he has been good or great at everything else, so I hate to be too hard on him overall.

Having said that, I still think Morency has probably permanently won the starting job. That's the way it goes. It just shows that the past regime was making some descent picks, but couldn't coach them worth a darn.

El Tejano
08-23-2006, 11:05 AM
Morency has learned to run straight ahead and block well under the tutelage of Gary Kubiak and Mike Sherman. DD hasn't had a chance to practice for them yet and be trained. Maybe his blocking would improve as well if he had the same chance to learn. I doubt it would be great or anything, but it might get a lot better. He's been a terrible blocker, yes, but he has been good or great at everything else, so I hate to be too hard on him overall.

Having said that, I still think Morency has probably permanently won the starting job. That's the way it goes. It just shows that the past regime was making some descent picks, but couldn't coach them worth a darn.
I agree, but I still feel the starting job is up for grabs. Morency definetly put his name at the top for right now though.

What I would like to see is a little more A. Smith just to get a handle on where he is, and see if Morency can duplicate his performance from last week.

The past two weeks were to see who came to play and Smith should get some carries for the sake of seeing what he can do w/o anyone messing up on the OL.

Blu
08-23-2006, 11:20 AM
say what? Double D can't pick up the blitz..could have fooled me.
Even if he had a month of camp, got him 100% healty, the guy still is going to be an ole' master bullfighter. :hides:
I've been screaming that for two years now.
Morency is my pick to start.
Again, DD would make a great 3rd down back.

Texans Horror
08-23-2006, 11:24 AM
About the whole DD average back thing:

Dominic Davis was a very average back, stats-wise, but he was one of the only Texans success stories last year. (Read: not a story of failure.) The idea, IMO, was that the Denver running game would really improve DD's running game. However, he has lost a lot of time and training due to his injury, and this is why Morency is being considered. I think that unless Davis' injury keeps him out the rest of the season/Morency becomes a top-tier back, then DD has a good shot of returning as the Texans starting RB. It may take a few additional weeks of rehab, but he still has a good shot.

gtexan02
08-23-2006, 11:27 AM
Everyone's bad play, especially the OLs inability to block, is the old coaching regime's fault. Even Seth Wands crappy play was the old regime's fault.

DDs inability to block is his fault. It stems from a lack of desire on his part, and an uncaring attitude toward David Carr.

Right....real keen insight there. Lets ditch the one proven offensive piece of production on this team right now and switch to the unproven rookie and the 2nd year veteran with 50 total carries in the NFL....

I hate how people on this board jump from bandwagon to bandwagon and are ready to ditch other players like this was madden, and "attributes" were all that mattered. Sure Lundy is good at running straight ahead, and has done well in the preseason. Sure Morency seemed to block well in his game (he was up against #2 and #3 defenses!! I'm sure a #1 D linebacker, especially on a team other than the Rams, will be able to make Morency look a little more human). This DOES NOT mean that this will translate 100% into the regular season.

Why ditch DDavis after 2 preseason games? He is the best offensive weapon we've had on this team, and I for one am not about to give up on him yet.

infantrycak
08-23-2006, 11:41 AM
Even if he had a month of camp, got him 100% healty, the guy still is going to be an ole' master bullfighter. :hides:

Well Morency is an example to contradict what you are saying. Kubiak said Morency was bad at blocking in this off-season and it clicked for him in the last game. No reason to believe good coaching can't make the same difference in other players.

HJam72
08-23-2006, 12:02 PM
Why ditch DDavis after 2 preseason games? He is the best offensive weapon we've had on this team, and I for one am not about to give up on him yet.

If he gets healthy, I'm sure he'll get a chance to prove himself better than the improved Morency (and Lundy, for that matter). I'm just guessing that Morency will win that battle, but it's only a guess based on the latest impressions I get. I'd love to see them all keep getting better and, hey, whoever winds up best is who I hope wins the job.

HOU-TEX
08-23-2006, 12:46 PM
If he gets healthy, I'm sure he'll get a chance to prove himself better than the improved Morency (and Lundy, for that matter). I'm just guessing that Morency will win that battle, but it's only a guess based on the latest impressions I get. I'd love to see them all keep getting better and, hey, whoever winds up best is who I hope wins the job.

From what I gather from reading Kubiaks comments, all three will have thier fair share. DD, Morency, Lundy. If DD doesn't make it back anytime soon then it'll be a spot for Taylor or Rhodes until he is healthy to play.

gtexan02
08-23-2006, 12:48 PM
I'd personally like to see Morency up against a 1st string Defense, and one that isn't as porous as the Rams. We know DD can run against 1st string defenses, but can the others? We know Morency can block 2nd and 3rd string pass rushes, but what about 1st string D?

Lets not forget that last year, the Rams ranked 30th in total defense (yards per game) and 28th in rush defense (yard per game). How well do you think their second stringers are? And this was with leonard little sitting out, so assume even worse play from their D-unit

Divebomb
08-23-2006, 12:59 PM
I think bashing DD is kinda lame but expected. The guy deserves more credit, I do agree that Morency should be they man this year but there is now way as a fan that I am going to ripp on DD. He will get through this tough time, he is still young and has worked very hard to get back. Morency is probably going to get the nodd for this year, and Lundy will earn a paycheck as well. Overall I think what looked like a drama filled offseason at the running back position has turned into a real +.

Frills
08-23-2006, 01:35 PM
Wow, so in addition to being able to see DD's clear problems in pass protection you can look into his heart and see it is due to lack of desire? You should be out at the airport as the desire checker instead of all these metal detectors, etc.


Well, I would go dig all of the old posts up from the archive but I've stated this view since about week 2 or 3 last year. On one thread I was flamed for calling him soft back then.

Frills
08-23-2006, 01:41 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15825

12/17 post

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15825

Marcus
08-23-2006, 04:48 PM
Well, I would go dig all of the old posts up from the archive but I've stated this view since about week 2 or 3 last year. On one thread I was flamed for calling him soft back then.
Well, I guess calling him soft leads some to think you're questioning his heart and desire about everything . . . hence the flaming. They either don't want to, or can't comprehend, that only a certain part of his game deserves criticism.

Nobody questions David Carr's heart, yet some think that he sucks. . . at certain things that he does, like having happy feet, having narrow field vision, even though he does other things well.

Nobody questions Andre Johnson's heart, and he does things well, but he doesn't escape my criticism for his inability to separate from his coverage, doubled up or not. He has the speed to do that, but he doesn't.

So to be fair, I shouldn't question DD's heart or desire, either. He does certain things very well, extremely well . . . when he's carrying the ball. It's when he's not carrying the ball that I have a problem with. Maybe Capers and that bunch were worse than even I thought, and didn't think blitz pickups and blocking were just as important to being a good back as running or catching it. But whatever the reason was behind it, DD was a terrible blocker, and in my view, shared just as much responsiblity for Carr getting sacked all those times, as the OL, or Carr himself.

AustinJB
08-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Everyone's bad play, especially the OLs inability to block, is the old coaching regime's fault. Even Seth Wands crappy play was the old regime's fault.

DDs inability to block is his fault. It stems from a lack of desire on his part, and an uncaring attitude toward David Carr.

Right....real keen insight there. Lets ditch the one proven offensive piece of production on this team right now and switch to the unproven rookie and the 2nd year veteran with 50 total carries in the NFL....

I hate how people on this board jump from bandwagon to bandwagon and are ready to ditch other players like this was madden, and "attributes" were all that mattered. Sure Lundy is good at running straight ahead, and has done well in the preseason. Sure Morency seemed to block well in his game (he was up against #2 and #3 defenses!! I'm sure a #1 D linebacker, especially on a team other than the Rams, will be able to make Morency look a little more human). This DOES NOT mean that this will translate 100% into the regular season.

Why ditch DDavis after 2 preseason games? He is the best offensive weapon we've had on this team, and I for one am not about to give up on him yet.

I completely agree. IMO, anyone that could be even remotely successful under the old coaching nightmare, should excel in the new system. With DD being our best offensive player w/out any coaching or even decent playcalling, how can anyone think (provided that he can regain his health) that he will not do very well under the new regime??

Don't get me wrong...I loved what I saw from Morency too, but I just think people give up on some of our players too easy and don't realize that this is just preseason.

I also think that some of you have forgotten how productive DD has been in a VERY unproductive offense over the past few years. OMG...it's amazing that he was able to gain as much yardage as he did when every defense we faced knew that we were going to handoff on 1st down, handoff on 2nd down, throw on 3rd down...and not at ALL suprising that DD's been hurt as much as he has. FWIW, I'm not giving up on him yet either.:twocents:

infantrycak
08-23-2006, 05:42 PM
Well, I guess calling him soft leads some to think you're questioning his heart and desire about everything . . . hence the flaming. They either don't want to, or can't comprehend, that only a certain part of his game deserves criticism.

Frills didn't just say he was bad in pass protection (something I acknowledged responding to him/her which you somehow took as flaming you) but then went on to directly state:

never having the desire to help protect Carr

That's the only part I take exception to--Frills has no basis for questioning his desire.

AFD1717
08-23-2006, 05:56 PM
I think part of the "blind love" for DD comes from the fact that we didn't expect him to contribute much and he became (arguably) the focus of our offense for a couple of years.

It's all about perspective. When you think of him as a fourth round pick (right?) who didn't even start at LSU that rushed for over 3000 yards in 3 years - you can't help but love the guy. When you think of him as a guy who rushed for 3000+ yards over the last three years but has been injury prone and hasn't recovered the way we would like - you can't help but be disappointed. A victim of his own success, maybe?

Let's look at Davis for what he is. He is not our savior and he is not a chump. He is a guy who is capable of being a very effective weapon as long as he has help.