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Avenged Sevenfold Texan
08-18-2006, 10:20 PM
From The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=118664)

ST. LOUIS -- Mario Williams' next preseason test will be butting heads with a first-round pick from last season.
Williams, this year's No. 1 overall selection, got 11 snaps at defensive end in his professional debut with the Houston Texans last week. On Saturday night, promising St. Louis Rams offensive tackle Alex Barron will be on the other side of the ball.

"Alex was a pretty high draft pick himself, so it will be a pretty good matchup," Rams offensive coordinator Greg Olson said. "It's always good to get experience against a player like that."

Williams was credited with one assist in the opener and was largely neutralized by Chiefs guard Will Shields. Texans coach Gary Kubiak said Williams also made some alignment mistakes and generally "played like a rookie."

"He got introduced to the NFL real fast," Kubiak said. "I was encouraged by what I saw, but I also know he has a long way to go. I expect him to come back and be better this week."

:mario:

rams-rule
08-18-2006, 10:28 PM
great matchup, can't wait.

Good Luck tommorrow, and an injury free game for both teams

HoustonTexans
08-18-2006, 11:35 PM
Wasn't Barron available at our pick last year? I remember wanting the texans to grab him soooo bad.... every mock draft had us going for him but then we picked TJ... imagine how much less help our O-line would have needed?

blockhead83
08-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I'm not sure how Barron has been progressing, but he looked like a solid prospect coming out of college. The only clip I've seen of him was when Demarcus Ware absolutely laid him out last season, hopefully Mario can do something similar. Should be yet another good opportunity for Mario to get some work against a high level of competition.

texan279
08-19-2006, 12:00 AM
I watched a couple of Rams games last season and paid attention to Barron, in one game particular I remember he had 3 or 4 penalties on one drive if I remember correct. Last season in 11 games started he was penalized 16 times and allowed 5.75 sacks.

Sarg01
08-19-2006, 12:14 AM
Wasn't Barron available at our pick last year? I remember wanting the texans to grab him soooo bad.... every mock draft had us going for him but then we picked TJ... imagine how much less help our O-line would have needed?

Yes. We originally were picking 13, traded back to 16 with the Saints who took Jamaal Brown instead of Barron. The Rams pick him up somewhere around pick 19 or 20. I don't recall exactly. Memory gets a little fuzzy after the "we picked a pure 4-3 lineman? WTF?" moment.

TexanSam
08-19-2006, 12:38 AM
I watched a couple of Rams games last season and paid attention to Barron, in one game particular I remember he had 3 or 4 penalties on one drive if I remember correct. Last season in 11 games started he was penalized 16 times and allowed 5.75 sacks.

Which would have made him about 10 times better than Victor Riley.

texan279
08-19-2006, 12:44 AM
Which would have made him about 10 times better than Victor Riley.

I blame the Riley thing on the Caper's regime for not bringing in anyone better or at least letting Wand see some action.

TK_Gamer
08-19-2006, 04:30 AM
riley another throw away grabbed from KC, we seem to get alot of junk from the chiefs.

nunusguy
08-19-2006, 10:53 AM
Should be yet another good opportunity for Mario to get some work against a high level of competition.
To be sure, Orlando Pace would have been "a high level of competition",
but I would hardly give Barron the same label.

blockhead83
08-19-2006, 10:56 AM
If a guy who hadn't played for two years was highly competitive with Mario last week, I'd assume a young player with enough potential to be selected in the first round AND has been playing in the last year could also provide him with such..

Runner
08-19-2006, 11:14 AM
I blame the Riley thing on the Caper's regime for not bringing in anyone better or at least letting Wand see some action.

Riley was picked up as depth to be an upgrade over Marcus Spears. His bonus for playing in 10 games or whatever makes that pretty clear. The coaches then benched Wand in favor of Riley. This one was clearly the coaches' - Pendry's - fault. The new staff has Wand at the top of the depth chart again. Weary is somewhat the same - he could hardly get on the field last year, now he is challenging to start.

It's good to know we did have some good players that weren't used properly. It makes it that must easier to improve this year.

FILO_girl
08-19-2006, 01:46 PM
great matchup, can't wait.

Good Luck tommorrow, and an injury free game for both teams

Thanks and back at'cha.
:)

The Pencil Neck
08-19-2006, 01:49 PM
great matchup, can't wait.

Good Luck tommorrow, and an injury free game for both teams

Same to ya!

Kaiser Toro
08-19-2006, 02:51 PM
I am so friggin tired of hearing about Mario being dominated by Turley and Shields. Firstly, I could care less about being two years out, the guy was a former Pro Bowler and will start on a NFL team this year. The guy has forgotten more than Mario knows at this moment and if you would had put a line on Turley outperforming an energetic and green rookie I would have put money down on Turley. No surprise.

Secondly, Will Shields is one of the best Guards in the NFL. Although this is off the KC website, it is still pretty relevant to the discussion to properly frame it.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/will_shields/

Ironman right guard is arguably one of the finest players to ever play his position in NFL history Should certainly receive strong consideration for the Pro Football Hall of Fame once his playing career is concluded Will undoubtedly have his name someday affixed to the facade of Arrowhead Stadium as a member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame Owns a franchise-record streak of 11 consecutive Pro Bowl berths, the longest active streak in the NFL and the most total Pro Bowl appearances in Kansas City history Is clearly worthy of being mentioned as one of the all-time great players in the illustrious history of the Chiefs franchise, not just for his consistently high level of performance on the field, but also for the ongoing personal commitment he and his family have made to the Kansas City community

GuerillaBlack
08-19-2006, 03:13 PM
Should be a good match-up. Hope Mario does well.

El Tejano
08-19-2006, 04:25 PM
I am so friggin tired of hearing about Mario being dominated by Turley and Shields. Firstly, I could care less about being two years out, the guy was a former Pro Bowler and will start on a NFL team this year. The guy has forgotten more than Mario knows at this moment and if you would had put a line on Turley outperforming an energetic and green rookie I would have put money down on Turley. No surprise.

Secondly, Will Shields is one of the best Guards in the NFL. Although this is off the KC website, it is still pretty relevant to the discussion to properly frame it.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/will_shields/

Ironman right guard is arguably one of the finest players to ever play his position in NFL history Should certainly receive strong consideration for the Pro Football Hall of Fame once his playing career is concluded Will undoubtedly have his name someday affixed to the facade of Arrowhead Stadium as a member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame Owns a franchise-record streak of 11 consecutive Pro Bowl berths, the longest active streak in the NFL and the most total Pro Bowl appearances in Kansas City history Is clearly worthy of being mentioned as one of the all-time great players in the illustrious history of the Chiefs franchise, not just for his consistently high level of performance on the field, but also for the ongoing personal commitment he and his family have made to the Kansas City community
Oh but when they showed him on PTI the other day, Mario was going up against a very untalented Will Shields.
Man, when I saw all that stuff that idiot was saying about Mario being the worst decision all I could think of was Lundy did more and that you could tell that bozo didn't watch the game to know the difference.

blockhead83
08-19-2006, 04:58 PM
I am so friggin tired of hearing about Mario being dominated by Turley and Shields. Firstly, I could care less about being two years out, the guy was a former Pro Bowler and will start on a NFL team this year. The guy has forgotten more than Mario knows at this moment and if you would had put a line on Turley outperforming an energetic and green rookie I would have put money down on Turley. No surprise.

Secondly, Will Shields is one of the best Guards in the NFL. Although this is off the KC website, it is still pretty relevant to the discussion to properly frame it.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/will_shields/

Ironman right guard is arguably one of the finest players to ever play his position in NFL history … Should certainly receive strong consideration for the Pro Football Hall of Fame once his playing career is concluded … Will undoubtedly have his name someday affixed to the facade of Arrowhead Stadium as a member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame … Owns a franchise-record streak of 11 consecutive Pro Bowl berths, the longest active streak in the NFL and the most total Pro Bowl appearances in Kansas City history … Is clearly worthy of being mentioned as one of the all-time great players in the illustrious history of the Chiefs franchise, not just for his consistently high level of performance on the field, but also for the ongoing personal commitment he and his family have made to the Kansas City community

Seeing as I am the only one who has mentioned Turley in this thread I assume that I provoked this rant... I agree with your sentiments and was just pointing out that Mario experienced a highly competitive environment last week, and is likely to have similarly challenging encounters tonight. Secondly, saying that Mario was in a competitive situation last week is hardly an indication that he was "dominated".

Kaiser Toro
08-19-2006, 05:03 PM
Seeing as I am the only one who has mentioned Turley in this thread I assume that I provoked this rant... I agree with your sentiments and was just pointing out that Mario experienced a highly competitive environment last week, and is likely to have similarly challenging encounters tonight. Secondly, saying that Mario was in a competitive situation last week is hardly an indication that he was "dominated".

You were the agent that tipped me over, but in all fairness it had just gone over the brim from the other Mario threads this past week and the talking heads. Nothing personal at you blockhead, just want something tangible to debate. I am just tired of this unchecked perception.

blockhead83
08-19-2006, 05:26 PM
I agree with you that it's way overhyped, that Shields is a great guard, and that Turley has a considerable edge over Mario in the experience department. 11 snaps isn't enough to forecast anything in the way of production out of Mario anyways. On the other hand I believe Turley was a career RT, and is still considerably under what his old playing weight was. Alex Barron should probably pose a good test for Mario just as Turley & Shields did, hopefully Mario gets a longer look tonight and gives the media something to chew on with a few good plays.

edo783
08-19-2006, 05:30 PM
Near as I can tell, Mario did fairly well against Turley except on one play that he was knocked off of his feet. Let's see, a rookie, first game in the NFL against a former Prowbowl line man, gets knocked down once.......well naturally ESPN picks the one play that he gets knocked down to show. Sounds like good sports reporting to me........NOT.

tbell ncsu
08-19-2006, 09:02 PM
sweet. alex barron played at florida state, a conference rival. mario has seen him a ton of times, so i expect him to do well tonight against barron.

Goldeagle
08-19-2006, 09:26 PM
Wasn't Barron available at our pick last year? I remember wanting the texans to grab him soooo bad.... every mock draft had us going for him but then we picked TJ... imagine how much less help our O-line would have needed?


Yeah, but Casserly said he wont be that great and that it takes 3 years to develop an offensive lineman.

BigDTexansFan
08-22-2006, 06:27 PM
First Penalty Flag of Game

OT Barron holding Mario Williams or else Mario visits Marc Bulgar in backfield:highfive:

GP
08-22-2006, 06:47 PM
First Penalty Flag of Game

OT Barron holding Mario Williams or else Mario visits Marc Bulgar in backfield:highfive:

Refs called holding on the wrong player. Shoulda' been called on the center IMO. And "Yes," ESPN does not show that Mario was going to sack Bulger if he wasn't held. I have other plays written down that show Mario's athleticism and talent was an asset to our defense's presence.

The center (#67 I believe) pulls at the snap, rolling to the defensive end(Mario) and blatantly holding him. Barron might have barely chipped Mario right at the snap...but I see the holding more on the center than on Barron. I think Barron was mis-flagged for what should have been a holding call on the center. I replayed it over and over, and I cannot see how they call that on Barron as he was locked up on someone else a split-second after the snap and didn't appear to me that Barron was holding.