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Superstar
08-17-2006, 03:21 PM
I just heard on ESPN 790 that Kubiak is calling all the plays. I guess Kubes does not trust the offensive coordinator to make them. Hey to me whatever it takes to win so be it!:fortune:

OzzO
08-17-2006, 03:23 PM
As he did in Denver, as some have noted. But why a "Jimmy Johnson in the making" reference?

dtmoney82
08-17-2006, 03:25 PM
i thought i heard an interview with him saying that he's gonna be the one giving Carr the play. Even if the OC calls the play, Carr will hear it directly from Kub.

right?

KKHouston
08-17-2006, 03:27 PM
i thought i heard an interview with him saying that he's gonna be the one giving Carr the play. Even if the OC calls the play, Carr will hear it directly from Kub.

right?

Correct.. Kubiak did say this... wish I could find the source for a transcript, but I heard him say that directly on 610.

Scooter
08-17-2006, 03:27 PM
kubiak's got the most experience on this team calling the plays, so he should be the final say on offense. however i'd read that kubiak, sherman, & calhoun were all going to have input during the game, with kubiak being the one to relay to carr.

powerfuldragon
08-17-2006, 03:31 PM
Look at today's chron. It says Calhoun will be up in the box calling plays, but they'll have to go thru kubes. Kubiak also said that he may call a few plays or the whole game. The article goes on to say he may even give sherman a chance to call a few.

painekiller
08-17-2006, 03:34 PM
Here is the direct quote from Kubiak http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2762 "(on play calling) “I am going to call the play. Offensive coordinator, Troy Calhoun, is my eyes upstairs and anything that comes from up there goes through me. I feel very confident that he can call the game and I am working the same way I did with Denver Broncos head coach, Mike Shanahan for years, we both prepared to call the game. There may be a segment where I am calling the whole thing or there be a segment where I say Troy (Calhoun) you take it this series or you take it the whole game. We will even get (assistant head coach) Mike Sherman calls. I think as many sets of eyes that you can have and people that have had that experience on doing that the better you are as a group. We will do it that way. The bottom line is that it’s coming from me to (QB) David Carr all the time.”

dtmoney82
08-17-2006, 03:35 PM
yeah.

basically Kub. is gonna have the final say-so on what's being called.

Oh yeah, and btw; i know J.J. won a Superbowl and all....that's great. But he did win it with the cowpokes, that affiliates him with them. Dont ever do that again.

trane
08-17-2006, 03:39 PM
I just heard on ESPN 790 that Kubiak is calling all the plays. I guess Kubes does not trust the offensive coordinator to make them. Hey to me whatever it takes to win so be it!:fortune:

I'm surprised more head coaches don't call the plays. If my job performance is based on the team's performance, I would feel most comfortable calling the shots.

infantrycak
08-17-2006, 03:45 PM
I'm surprised more head coaches don't call the plays. If my job performance is based on the team's performance, I would feel most comfortable calling the shots.

I'm surprised more head coaches don't do it in their area of expertise. Jacking with the side of the ball you are not expert in and letting the one you are go to pot results in an Assistant Coach position in Miami.

powerfuldragon
08-17-2006, 03:48 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/TheKingOfBums/g_capers_275.jpg

Scooter
08-17-2006, 03:49 PM
I'm surprised more head coaches don't do it in their area of expertise. Jacking with the side of the ball you are not expert in and letting the one you are go to pot results in an Assistant Coach position in Miami.

beat me to it. if you've got a defensive guy as your head coach, he should put a lot more faith in his offensive coaches and focus more of his time on his strengths. kubiak's the final say so, but i'm much more comfortable having him running the offense and giving smith more free reign over the defense (something capers got backwards).

Double Barrel
08-17-2006, 03:58 PM
I just heard on ESPN 790 that Kubiak is calling all the plays.

I don't think trust has anything to do with it. I doubt Kubiak would hire someone if he didn't trust their judgement.

As painekiller's post mentioned, I think it's more about a chain-of-command that Kubiak has established, and he uses the rest of the staff for analyzing and seeing things that he might not catch with his own two eyes.

Txn_in_Oki
08-17-2006, 04:02 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/TheKingOfBums/g_capers_275.jpg

How many flys would a Capers catch if a Capers could catch flys?

Insideop
08-17-2006, 04:09 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/TheKingOfBums/g_capers_275.jpg


You just had to do it Dragon, didn't you? You just couldn't resist bringing up those old painful memories! :crying: :deadhorse

lol:

Hookem Horns
08-17-2006, 04:43 PM
I thought Carr was calling all of the plays. :um:

threetoedpete
08-17-2006, 04:52 PM
How many flys would a Capers catch if a Capers could catch flys?

agreed, how many angles can dance on the head of a pin ? Whatever they did last game...keep doing it.

bayoudreamn
08-17-2006, 10:03 PM
I just heard on ESPN 790 that Kubiak is calling all the plays. I guess Kubes does not trust the offensive coordinator to make them. Hey to me whatever it takes to win so be it!:fortune:

The OC is calling them from the booth. Kubes has the mike to the qbs ear and can override the OC. He said that in some of his comments this week.It's in one of the quotes articles.

It's the same article where he talked about their communications problems, I think it's 8/16/06.

texflex513
08-17-2006, 10:36 PM
I don't think trust has anything to do with it. I doubt Kubiak would hire someone if he didn't trust their judgement.

As painekiller's post mentioned, I think it's more about a chain-of-command that Kubiak has established, and he uses the rest of the staff for analyzing and seeing things that he might not catch with his own two eyes.

I agree...Kubiak stated that he has full trust in his staff and is completely open to any suggestions that they give to make the texans a better football team. I think he takes everything they add into consideration before making a decision.

Ibar_Harry
08-18-2006, 12:47 AM
I have a different take on what might be happening. I think Kubiak wants to add an element of unkown to the mix. He wants to change up signal callers at times which will vary what's called. We all tend to develop patterns and the easiest way to vary the calling is to have a different person call the plays. All of the named coaches are very competent in regards to play calling.

I believe they have even mentioned that they want the players reacting and doing their own thing because the coaches will not always be available. That adds a different variable to the mix. It will be interesting to see what latitude Carr has once the play is call. I believe all of this is to make us as unpredictable as possible. In one of the Carr comments he was saying that many of the plays are the same, but they don't necessarily line up the same way. Its easier for the line because they know what's going to happen, but hopefully the defense does not. Its like Carr said about not being in the same spot every time it makes it harder for the defense.

All these comments are by a head coach who knows how to play the offensive side of the ball. The Texans passed their first exam now its time to pass the second exam. Go TEXXXXANS.

quicksilver
08-18-2006, 01:26 AM
I thought Carr was calling all of the plays. :um:

Last year's staff allowed Carr to call the plays for one half of a game last season. It was the best half of football the offense played last year, as I recall. Apparantly that was putting us at risk of losing the first pick of this year's draft, so they put the kibosh on it after just the one half.

quicksilver
08-18-2006, 01:27 AM
I have a different take on what might be happening. I think Kubiak wants to add an element of unkown to the mix. He wants to change up signal callers at times which will vary what's called. We all tend to develop patterns and the easiest way to vary the calling is to have a different person call the plays. All of the named coaches are very competent in regards to play calling.

I believe they have even mentioned that they want the players reacting and doing their own thing because the coaches will not always be available. That adds a different variable to the mix. It will be interesting to see what latitude Carr has once the play is call. I believe all of this is to make us as unpredictable as possible. In one of the Carr comments he was saying that many of the plays are the same, but they don't necessarily line up the same way. Its easier for the line because they know what's going to happen, but hopefully the defense does not. Its like Carr said about not being in the same spot every time it makes it harder for the defense.

All these comments are by a head coach who knows how to play the offensive side of the ball. The Texans passed their first exam now its time to pass the second exam. Go TEXXXXANS.


Excellent observations, Harry!

Double Barrel
08-18-2006, 11:05 AM
I have a different take on what might be happening. I think Kubiak wants to add an element of unkown to the mix. He wants to change up signal callers at times which will vary what's called. We all tend to develop patterns and the easiest way to vary the calling is to have a different person call the plays. All of the named coaches are very competent in regards to play calling.

You're reading my mind, man. These are my exact thoughts last night when I was talking to a friend about Kubiak's chain-of-command.

Opposing teams will look for patterns in playcalling, and try to exploit them. So when Kubiak lets Sherman or Calhoun call a play or game, it adds an element of unpredictability to the mix. Teams will have hard time trying to find patterns.

And Kubiak is a coach that will change things in the fly, even right before kickoff. He's not scared to try different angles and change his scheme in midstream.

I'm as stoked about watching Kubiak as anything else on this team. His presence has brought a whole new dimension to our football team, and you could just feel it at the game last Saturday. Even though it's only pre-season, I felt like I was watching a professional football team for the first time in awhile.

thunderkyss
08-18-2006, 11:39 AM
I'm surprised more head coaches don't do it in their area of expertise. Jacking with the side of the ball you are not expert in and letting the one you are go to pot results in an Assistant Coach position in Miami.


or St Louis

srstex
08-18-2006, 11:58 AM
Last year's staff allowed Carr to call the plays for one half of a game last season. It was the best half of football the offense played last year, as I recall. Apparantly that was putting us at risk of losing the first pick of this year's draft, so they put the kibosh on it after just the one half.

Actually Carr called the plays on two different halves, and one was great the other resulted in no points. BUT, that would equal an 8-8 season if he had that same success over the year. But of course that was last year.

:homer:

infantrycak
08-18-2006, 12:11 PM
Actually Carr called the plays on two different halves, and one was great the other resulted in no points. BUT, that would equal an 8-8 season if he had that same success over the year. But of course that was last year.

:homer:

Wow this keeps on getting misstated. Carr called the 1st half of the St. Louis game (24 pts at the half--27 at the end) and the 1st half of the Cards game (24 at the half--30 pts at the end).

DocBar
08-18-2006, 01:02 PM
You're reading my mind, man. These are my exact thoughts last night when I was talking to a friend about Kubiak's chain-of-command.

Opposing teams will look for patterns in playcalling, and try to exploit them. So when Kubiak lets Sherman or Calhoun call a play or game, it adds an element of unpredictability to the mix. Teams will have hard time trying to find patterns.

And Kubiak is a coach that will change things in the fly, even right before kickoff. He's not scared to try different angles and change his scheme in midstream.

I'm as stoked about watching Kubiak as anything else on this team. His presence has brought a whole new dimension to our football team, and you could just feel it at the game last Saturday. Even though it's only pre-season, I felt like I was watching a professional football team for the first time in awhile.
Adding to the point...Sherman and Calhoun may see something to exploit that Kubes misses and Kubes is allowing them the freedom to point that out and get it the game easier. That tells me Kubes is a very confident fellow and not afraid to let others have good ideas. Control freaks tend to be less confident of their abilities, therefore keeping pertinent information and authority away from people they view a threats to their power. I'm at work and typed this in spurts. Hope it makes sense. BTW...this system has done well in Denver. I bet it works here, too.

Malloy
08-18-2006, 01:17 PM
Correct.. Kubiak did say this... wish I could find the source for a transcript, but I heard him say that directly on 610.

Too lazy to look for myself, but I seem to recall this being mentioned in... some post-game stuff from last weeks game?

WWJD
08-18-2006, 01:35 PM
Jimmy johnson took control of everything on the field. Well from what I can remember.


Norv Turner called the plays and Wannesdt (sp) was the defensive coordinator. I think Jimmy would overturn things if they didn't suit him and he ruled with a iron fist. I don't think Coach Kubiak has quite the same temperament as Jimmy.