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gtexan02
08-15-2006, 05:56 PM
Heres what it says about us. Not very nice, and totally ignorant of the changes made, as usual. They took a look at some bad stats, and then our depth chart, and made a 2 minute interpretation.

"Houston
In four years of existence, the Houston Texans have won 10 home games. That is not very good. Houston has the same core problem as the Browns: namely, its players. Return man Jerome Mathis and wide receiver Andre Johnson are the sole gentlemen on the roster who have made the Pro Bowl as a Texan. Check the Houston depth chart -- it's not for the faint of heart. Offensive line woes have exemplified this team's struggles; the Texans have surrendered 229 sacks in four years. No team can give up 57 sacks per season and be a contender. Yet year after year, Houston neglects the offensive line in the offseason. Consult the depth chart for the all-important left tackle position: Listed first is Seth Wand, who did not start in 2005, and his backup is draft choice Charles Spencer, who played only one year at left tackle in college.



There's certainly a lot of hands in the kitchen in Houston.Moo Cows note: Title inflation has come to the NFL, and no team is more inflated than the Texans. Houston has a CEO, a chairman, a vice chairman, a president, a general manager, three senior vice presidents, six regular vice presidents, 11 directors, a controller, a coordinator, and someone with the title "risk manager." The Texans are roughly a $250 million per year business, small in corporate terms -- that's about the annual revenue of 10 Macy's department stores. But being small does not seem to prevent the Texans from needing loads of people with imperious titles. If Exxon Mobil had the same ratio of titles to sales as the Houston Texans, Exxon Mobil would boast 4,584 senior vice presidents, 9,168 vice presidents and 16,808 directors."

Nawzer
08-15-2006, 06:01 PM
Eh so what? His articles are pretty funny though.

gtexan02
08-15-2006, 06:05 PM
I thought people would be curios to see it, thats all. It also ticks me off to no end how our media coverage, apart from Michael Smith, (especially from ESPN) shows a complete lack of research and interest. They make it sound like we didn't pick up any OL of note (Flannagan, hello??) and didn't draft any OL of note (hello Spencer and Winston??). All 3 of those players were highly touted by ESPN ratings, but it doesnt seem to matter

WILLIEG
08-15-2006, 06:21 PM
We did pick up some quality O-linemen in the draft. It's just that we still don't have a dominant LT that all great lines have. Even if Wand works out and we should still get a dominant LT to solidify our line. I know ther is much talk about Spencer being the next best thing, but I really think that if we use him more as a guard and put in a dominant LT. I wish Wand all the best this season, but feel as if we are one piece from having a truly dominant O-line. That way Carr would have to always role out of the pocket and would have the security to stay in the pocket and go throught his progressions without the pocket collapsing.

Carr Bombed
08-15-2006, 06:30 PM
Seth Wand will never be a dominant Left Tackle, he doesn't have the mental make up. I do believe Kubiak and Sherman can coach him up to be a serviceable Left Tackle though. The person I believe can be our dominant Left Tackle is Chirs Spencer. He has the skills and has the attitude, I love his mean streak and he plays with a defensive mentality. I already like what I've heard and seen of him during this camp.

Porky
08-15-2006, 06:49 PM
What did the guy think we were going to do, draft Orlando Pace in his prime? LT's don't exactly grow on trees, although this guy seems to think you can walk out to the grove right outside the stadium and pluck one off anytime you feel like it. Pathetic.

WILLIEG
08-15-2006, 06:57 PM
Seth Wand will never be a dominant Left Tackle, he doesn't have the mental make up. I do believe Kubiak and Sherman can coach him up to be a serviceable Left Tackle though. The person I believe can be our dominant Left Tackle is Chirs Spencer. He has the skills and has the attitude, I love his mean streak and he plays with a defensive mentality. I already like what I've heard and seen of him during this camp.
I like the kid as well, but feel that he is better suited to guard. His weight is going to be an issue sooner or later. In oredr to have a very good zone blocking scheme then you need a Guard who also has a great first punch as well as the LT. The Guard postion in general has to be able to "Chip" many of DT's to allow the Tackle to get his head across, so the Guard can reach the next level. The kid is a prototypical smashmouth guard with the athleticism to reach the next level in the zone blocking scheme. Time will tell, but I have a feeling that Wand will improve enough to keep his starting job throughtout the season until we get a truly dominant LT.

Carr Bombed
08-15-2006, 07:14 PM
Spencer is only 10 pounds heavier than Wand....He's already been losing weight

Overalls
08-15-2006, 07:21 PM
How many sacks did we give up Saturday? I thought 0 sacks and 0ver 170 yards rushing was pretty good... The line will improve with seasoning and time together.

Carr Bombed
08-15-2006, 07:26 PM
The line will improve with seasoning and time together.

:shades: no....offense, but I dream of a day when we no longer have to hear that on this board:)

the wonger need food
08-15-2006, 07:27 PM
His comments are complete garbage. For one, he doesn't even know that Andre also made the Pro Bowl as a Texan. He points out how devoid the roster is of talent when we have 5 ex-Pro Bowl players and a few more that have played to that level before last season. And to top it off not recognize that last year's coaching staff was a complete joke. Two of the starting Offensive Lineman from last year aren't even in the NFL now. Just a ridiculous bunch of statements. The only research he did before posting this was to find the link to the Texans roster.

Runner
08-15-2006, 07:35 PM
Spencer is only 10 pounds heavier than Wand....He's already been losing weight

Where did you find the current weights?


Two of the starting Offensive Lineman from last year aren't even in the NFL now.

That's just the tackles though - how bad could that be? :rolleyes:

Carr Bombed
08-15-2006, 07:53 PM
Where did you find the current weights?

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/421378

They have Spencer listed at 14 pounds lighter than he was comming out of the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/spencer_charles

Runner
08-15-2006, 08:14 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/421378

They have Spencer listed at 14 pounds lighter than he was comming out of the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/spencer_charles

I think Wand is at least 10 pounds lighter than his roster listing right now. I thought he came into camp around 315. He apparently took his weight goal very seriously.

I never heard a training camp weight for Spencer, who is also two inches shorter. I wonder if it is less than what is listed too.

The staff really has to careful when they balance light weight and speed vs. strength. The line looks very mobile so far - they should gain some strength after the rigors of two-a-days are over.

texanfan2100
08-15-2006, 09:58 PM
The bottom line is that the national media is very lazy in certain aspects. They have a group of about 7-8 teams that they will cover very closely. For the rest of the teams, they make the same generalizations until the team is worth covering.

Fact is that you're always gonna hear about the offensive line of the Texans from the national media until they get the problem 100% fixed. It's been a problem since day one, and it's easier to re-hash the old problems than to do research to find new evaluations. When the Texans win consistently, they'll be covered more closely by the national media. When this happens, you'll get a more accurate representation of the team in the media.

I don't think it's fair to blast ESPN for this evaluation though. I've seen the same thing on about 10 different websites. They'll have to find something new after this year.:respect: :texflag:

RTP2110
08-15-2006, 10:46 PM
Well half of his report on Houston had absolutely NOTHING to do with football. The guy did NO research, but he had to write something about the Texans.

Heck, in the first paragraph of the article he basically says that all offenses are the same. All it took was 1 game to tell that our offense is MUCH different than Capers'. What a tool. That's why he's on page 2.

Texanfan4ever
08-15-2006, 10:52 PM
Old "Page 2" is just jealous! He only makes himself look stupid with those kind of ignorant comments. You know, none of these people would be going off on us if we were really still horrendous. I was told by a wise old man once, "if they are talking about you, you are okay."

Kaiser Toro
08-15-2006, 11:03 PM
Espn's Page 2 is just shock material. The guy is not there to lend insight as he has no line of sight to our team. Moreover, his deep dive into NFL financials and their repsective corporate officers is lame at best. In all his lameness he then brings in an awful analogy with Exxon.

Just to set the record straight the Texans are only in their fifth year and are ranked as the 5th most valuable franchise in the country's most loved sport.

http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/01/sports-football-gambling-cz_05nfland.html

goodnews boy
08-15-2006, 11:49 PM
How many sacks did we give up Saturday? I thought 0 sacks and 0ver 170 yards rushing was pretty good... The line will improve with seasoning and time together.

We had 0 sacks because KC did not run special stunts or blitzs. Don't get me wrong, we did excelllent compared to last season. I don't think we were rushed. We have the best line and best couching staff we've ever had. I'm thrill about the up comimg season:francis: :whip: :bananasplit:

Snapple
08-16-2006, 12:51 AM
The line will improve with seasoning and time together.

I'm pretty sure I've heard that every year for the past four years. You can only claim that so many times before it's time to shut up and put up. The burden of proof is on our O-line. They are lousy until proven competant.

da.texans
08-16-2006, 01:07 AM
I'm pretty sure I've heard that every year for the past four years. You can only claim that so many times before it's time to shut up and put up. The burden of proof is on our O-line. They are lousy until proven competant.

as far as I am concern the line did PRETTY good last game and leading to a ZERO sack game. what else u expect????? give it time to prove u wrong would you ?????

TexanFanInCC
08-16-2006, 09:41 AM
Eh so what? His articles are pretty funny though.

only funny because of how stupid it is.



based on what the original poster pasted, the writer, Gregg Easterbrook, reminds me of a college student who procrastinates papers till the night before they are due. the writer obviously did not look deep at our depth chart. instead, he is going by what happened in the first 4 seasons averaged up. anyone who knows football will know that the texans are a team to be respected. coaching change, the additions to our "undeep" o-line (salaam, flanagan, winston, spencer, and proper coaching for wand)....this guy did no research at all. if he is "special to page 2" as it states at the top of the preview, then he must not be good if he is writing for page 2 and not for page 1.

gtexan02
08-16-2006, 11:20 AM
Heres the link ot the rest of the article. Note how we are by far the shortest article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/060815

Doug
08-16-2006, 12:38 PM
Heres what it says about us. Not very nice, and totally ignorant of the changes made, as usual. They took a look at some bad stats, and then our depth chart, and made a 2 minute interpretation.

"Houston
In four years of existence, the Houston Texans have won 10 home games. That is not very good. Houston has the same core problem as the Browns: namely, its players. Return man Jerome Mathis and wide receiver Andre Johnson are the sole gentlemen on the roster who have made the Pro Bowl as a Texan. Check the Houston depth chart -- it's not for the faint of heart. Offensive line woes have exemplified this team's struggles; the Texans have surrendered 229 sacks in four years. No team can give up 57 sacks per season and be a contender. Yet year after year, Houston neglects the offensive line in the offseason. Consult the depth chart for the all-important left tackle position: Listed first is Seth Wand, who did not start in 2005, and his backup is draft choice Charles Spencer, who played only one year at left tackle in college.



There's certainly a lot of hands in the kitchen in Houston.Moo Cows note: Title inflation has come to the NFL, and no team is more inflated than the Texans. Houston has a CEO, a chairman, a vice chairman, a president, a general manager, three senior vice presidents, six regular vice presidents, 11 directors, a controller, a coordinator, and someone with the title "risk manager." The Texans are roughly a $250 million per year business, small in corporate terms -- that's about the annual revenue of 10 Macy's department stores. But being small does not seem to prevent the Texans from needing loads of people with imperious titles. If Exxon Mobil had the same ratio of titles to sales as the Houston Texans, Exxon Mobil would boast 4,584 senior vice presidents, 9,168 vice presidents and 16,808 directors."

Was that the whole article?

kcwilson
08-16-2006, 12:39 PM
His comments are complete garbage. For one, he doesn't even know that Andre also made the Pro Bowl as a Texan. He points out how devoid the roster is of talent when we have 5 ex-Pro Bowl players and a few more that have played to that level before last season. And to top it off not recognize that last year's coaching staff was a complete joke. Two of the starting Offensive Lineman from last year aren't even in the NFL now. Just a ridiculous bunch of statements. The only research he did before posting this was to find the link to the Texans roster.

To be fair, he does point out that Mathis and Andre ARE the only Texans that made the ProBowl roster.

Also, when I read the article, I interpreted the information as an indictment of the franchise for the last in four years, yielded 229 some-odd sacks. It seemed to be emphasizing the historic struggles of the OL. While it is significant to miss the Flanagan signing, our best LT prospect played DL as recent as two years ago. Not the typical path to success and it does carry risks. Anyone that doesn't see those risks has blinders on. I think he could have a bright future as our LT, but... it is a risk to bring in someone with little OL experience.

Also, the article is meant to be more comedic in my opinion than true analysis. If you are going to Page 2 for sharp hitting, insightful analysis, then it is no wonder everyone has a bias against ESPN.

Doug
08-16-2006, 12:50 PM
To be fair, he does point out that Mathis and Andre ARE the only Texans that made the ProBowl roster.

Also, when I read the article, I interpreted the information as an indictment of the franchise for the last in four years, yielded 229 some-odd sacks. It seemed to be emphasizing the historic struggles of the OL. While it is significant to miss the Flanagan signing, our best LT prospect played DL as recent as two years ago. Not the typical path to success and it does carry risks. Anyone that doesn't see those risks has blinders on. I think he could have a bright future as our LT, but... it is a risk to bring in someone with little OL experience.

Also, the article is meant to be more comedic in my opinion than true analysis. If you are going to Page 2 for sharp hitting, insightful analysis, then it is no wonder everyone has a bias against ESPN.
He also called Mathis a gentleman, and it doesn't get much funnier than that!

Doom Capers
08-16-2006, 01:38 PM
what?

Doug
08-16-2006, 05:14 PM
what?
What?

the wonger need food
08-16-2006, 07:13 PM
To be fair, he does point out that Mathis and Andre ARE the only Texans that made the ProBowl roster.

He changed it after I emailed him. The original version only mentioned Mathis.

BTW... he was too much of a coward to respond to my email.

Brandon420tx
08-17-2006, 09:05 PM
Why am I getting this for people I haven't repped in a while?

Glad he changed the mistake you pointed out for him.:cowboy1:
I'll do it for you

Edit: NVM. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to the wonger need food again. lol

TK_Gamer
08-18-2006, 04:22 AM
We did pick up some quality O-linemen in the draft. It's just that we still don't have a dominant LT that all great lines have. Even if Wand works out and we should still get a dominant LT to solidify our line. I know ther is much talk about Spencer being the next best thing, but I really think that if we use him more as a guard and put in a dominant LT. I wish Wand all the best this season, but feel as if we are one piece from having a truly dominant O-line. That way Carr would have to always role out of the pocket and would have the security to stay in the pocket and go throught his progressions without the pocket collapsing.

acutally David Carr is 10 times as dangerous when moving as he is in any pocket. I think the whole league will learn that this season. the difference this year is he will be doing it to win, not to run for his life.