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edo783
08-14-2006, 08:46 PM
These quotes are from Kubes today (Monday) and it really seems like he isn't looking for DD much before week 4.

(on how much work Domanick will be able to handle when he comes back) Well, youd like to have a lot, thats just part of football. Its hard to go out and play without the work. With his situation, we have to do whats right. We want to get something out of this year. We have to do what we have to do to get him to that point, and were not going to hurt him in the preseason because I think he needs the extra reps. Were going to be smart with that. If Domanick is full strength for this football team, be it in week four, week five or week six hes going to help this football team win, so we have to be smart with that.



(on Domanick needing reps during the preseason) I dont want to answer that right now. I think that would be hard, that would be very hard to do. I think hed tell you the same thing. I dont know, stranger things have happened. Lets wait and see.

Malloy
08-14-2006, 08:51 PM
This whole DD situation really bothers me. He's been out for a long time, and I'm not so sure anymore that he'll ever be ready. Week 4 sounds like a great estimate, but this injury has already taken way more time than "predicted" earlier. At this point I'm just hoping that DD will have a working knee for the rest of his life, and if we're real lucky he'll continue to play for us.

Time will tell, but alot of time has passed already :I

texan279
08-14-2006, 08:54 PM
After I read it I thought Kubiak was just thorowing numbers out there without any certainty as to when DD comes back. I may be wrong though.

BigDTexansFan
08-14-2006, 09:05 PM
I think Kubes is just saying DD take your time, BUT if takes too long then don't expect to be #1 RB when you come back. I heard Rick Smith was quoted as saying they wanted to give him time, but there comes a time to play through pain. I think they feel he is being overly cautious about his knee

Malloy
08-14-2006, 09:08 PM
I think they feel he is being overly cautious about his knee

All we have really, is a bunch of speculation, but if that was my knee I sure would be cautious too! :)

disaacks3
08-14-2006, 09:17 PM
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Please believe me when I say that I am REALLY NOT TRYING to stir anything up with my next statement...
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DD's injuries are the ONLY reason I wanted Bush over MW.
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There, I said it. Let the stone-hurling begin.
:hides: No need to duck-n-over on that one, it was a valid concern coming in, and it's not looking any better.
That said, I think this Offense is designed to make even "second-echelon" RBs look good, so that we didn't need to waste a #1 on an RB.

Malloy
08-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Please believe me when I say that I am REALLY NOT TRYING to stir anything up with my next statement...
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TROUBLEMAKER!! ;)

Smash_Mouth_Mario
08-14-2006, 09:28 PM
These quotes are from Kubes today (Monday) and it really seems like he isn't looking for DD much before week 4.

(on how much work Domanick will be able to handle when he comes back) Well, youd like to have a lot, thats just part of football. Its hard to go out and play without the work. With his situation, we have to do whats right. We want to get something out of this year. We have to do what we have to do to get him to that point, and were not going to hurt him in the preseason because I think he needs the extra reps. Were going to be smart with that. If Domanick is full strength for this football team, be it in week four, week five or week six hes going to help this football team win, so we have to be smart with that.



(on Domanick needing reps during the preseason) I dont want to answer that right now. I think that would be hard, that would be very hard to do. I think hed tell you the same thing. I dont know, stranger things have happened. Lets wait and see.



I'm glad. Keep him out until he's fully healed. No need to rush it. Especially with the knee.

The Pencil Neck
08-14-2006, 09:31 PM
There, I said it. Let the stone-hurling begin.
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:fireball:

That's totally valid, I just don't think that Reggie is our kind of RB. I really thought DD would be able to be back for the beginning of this season and at least play 3/4's of it.

I still like the way our draft turned out regardless of DD's health.

Smash_Mouth_Mario
08-14-2006, 09:42 PM
:hides:
Please believe me when I say that I am REALLY NOT TRYING to stir anything up with my next statement...
:hides:
DD's injuries are the ONLY reason I wanted Bush over MW.
:hides:
There, I said it. Let the stone-hurling begin.
:hides:





WL will be better than DD. Especially on after-the-tackle or after-the-catch extra yardage.

WildBlackBear32
08-14-2006, 09:49 PM
Man...just the luck of this team. DD gets hurt beyond repair after signing a relatively large contract. I was never a fan of his really, but this just sucks more.

Hervoyel
08-14-2006, 09:58 PM
I wanted Reggie Bush for the same reasons but I can honestly admit that a lot of what makes him attractive is stuff that Kubiak would probably rather he not be doing. I don't exactly see him as a "Make your one cut and head upfield" kind of RB.

I think Domanick Davis "healthy" would be literally a beast in this offense. If he could stay healthy for entire seasons he'd own one of the Pro Bowl slots for AFC running backs. He runs the way this offense runs. Lundy does too but one small part of a single preseason game does not make him the perfect fit and better than Domanick Davis. That's a ridiculous thing to say. "Big John Wells" ripped the Saints for 60+ yards in a single half back in 2002 and he's not better than Domanick Davis.


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But having said that I want to add that I'm excited about Lundy and I want to see more of what he did Saturday night. I think we're in good shape with Davis, Lundy, Taylor, and Morency. I don't even think we need Antowain Smith but they'll probably keep him and put one of the kids on the practice squad. That's cool too.

GrandPa
08-14-2006, 09:59 PM
No need to duck-n-over on that one, it was a valid concern coming in, and it's not looking any better.
That said, I think this Offense is designed to make even "second-echelon" RBs look good, so that we didn't need to waste a #1 on an RB.

If this offense is so good that you only need a "second-echelon" running back, why doesn't every NFL team run it? That way no team would ever need to waste a #1 pick on a RB.

Seriously what is so "special" and if it is so special why have not all the other teams adopted the same style.

If you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

Someone please enlighten me as to what it is and why only we can run it with scrubs but no one else can.

Hervoyel
08-14-2006, 10:06 PM
Why is the 3-4 a good fit for some teams and not everyone? Why did some teams take a bunch of undersized wideouts and field the Run and Shoot? This offense appears to be about taking parts that most teams don't need/use and putting them into situations where they can be successful.

Take lighter and quicker linemen (when the rest of the NFL is going for the big heavies) and quick decisive RB's that aren't lightning fast or exceptionally powerful and create a seam for them to run through all while you're rolling your mobile QB out and keeping everybody honest. The only part of the equation that's really different from what a lot of other teams do is the blocking scheme and much like the 3-4 it's being run by more than just one or two teams. The Falcons are doing it too now. My memory isn't what it used to be but I think there is one other team (besides Houston, Denver, and Atlanta) that's doing this. Hey we were trying to do it before Capers and Pendry left, they just didn't know how to do it right.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-14-2006, 10:17 PM
Baltimore is the other team that runs the zone blocking scheme.

texman8
08-14-2006, 10:45 PM
Maybe Texans will put DD on PUP list.:poker:

cj5776
08-14-2006, 11:27 PM
All Kubes was saying is that DD needs to get at full strength as soons as possiable, because only then can he truly help this team. If that does that happen until week 4 or 5, Kubes is ok with that. If DD is place on the PUP list he can not play until week 7. Considering the Texans play the Cowgirls on week 6, I really think that is a last resort.

Smash_Mouth_Mario
08-14-2006, 11:30 PM
I think Domanick Davis "healthy" would be literally a beast in this offense.
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But having said that I want to add that I'm excited about Lundy and I want to see more of what he did Saturday night. I think we're in good shape with Davis, Lundy, Taylor, and Morency. I don't even think we need Antowain Smith but they'll probably keep him and put one of the kids on the practice squad. That's cool too.

Thanks for the "EDIT." I agree w/you 100% that DD would be a beast in the Kubiak offense. In fact, DDs even a better fit than Lundy. But the thing that I didn't like about DD is that when there's nothing down the middle he gets stuck: tackled and dropped to the grass. He's a powerful "little" package. But he's not that powerful.

I just wanted a RB that could hammer the middle and carry guys with him. Or at least evade, get hit, and still keep going 4-5 MORE yards. That's what I see in Lundy. He can create more than DD. Not, this does not mean that WL will just freelance. No. To the contrary. He seems like a great system-back. But also can create more yardage on his own while staying w/in the Kubs offense.

TFL
08-14-2006, 11:32 PM
If this offense is so good that you only need a "second-echelon" running back, why doesn't every NFL team run it? That way no team would ever need to waste a #1 pick on a RB.

Seriously what is so "special" and if it is so special why have not all the other teams adopted the same style.

If you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

Someone please enlighten me as to what it is and why only we can run it with scrubs but no one else can.


It's a one cut and go system the running back does not have to think all to much and does not really need power or agility. The blockers or able to take out the defensive lineman with cut blocks and double team blocks to the second level.

The reason why some coachs don't run it becuase they do not know how to run it example Pendry and crew ran it, but did not do it the way it is suppose to run.

The Pencil Neck
08-15-2006, 12:29 AM
Baltimore is the other team that runs the zone blocking scheme.

I didn't know about the Ravens but the Falcons run a version of it and the Packers are trying to install a version this year.

Double Barrel
08-15-2006, 12:57 AM
I think Kubiak's system will prove that one (or more) of our current backs will be able to carry the load. That's why he doesn't seem concerned about one player.

But if you've got Bush, and build your team around him alone, what happens if/when he gets hurt? You're SOL.

I like Kubiak's confidence in his scheme, and he proves it with a pick like Mario Williams.

South Texan
08-15-2006, 01:14 AM
With my great 20/20 hindsight, I am sticking with Mario as the right pick for us. Lundy, Taylor, and the O-Line were getting the job done against KC, and we still have Rhodes to look at the next game.

We need a pressure defense to get ANY running back on the field, and it looks like Mario and the new defensive scheme are big steps in that direction.

What I would really like to know, if DD goes on injured/reserver or PUP does that free up some cap?

Trapped
08-16-2006, 04:13 AM
If this offense is so good that you only need a "second-echelon" running back, why doesn't every NFL team run it? That way no team would ever need to waste a #1 pick on a RB.

Seriously what is so "special" and if it is so special why have not all the other teams adopted the same style.

If you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

Someone please enlighten me as to what it is and why only we can run it with scrubs but no one else can.
it's because shanahan knows the exact personnell to run this offense. Pendry ran it, but he had Victor Riley and Todd Wade at tackles. Other teams run it also. But none of them are like Denvers.

U can copycat and run it all u want, but u have to make the calls at the right time with the right players on the feild.

HRCL03
08-16-2006, 03:13 PM
I picked him up in the third round in my FF league. No other Texans backs were taken, so who should I grab untill DD returns? Smith?

The Pencil Neck
08-16-2006, 04:20 PM
I picked him up in the third round in my FF league. No other Texans backs were taken, so who should I grab untill DD returns? Smith?

I think it's too early to tell but I don't think it's Smith. We haven't seen Morency, yet, but Lundy looked pretty damned good.

thunderkyss
08-16-2006, 05:18 PM
First........ I want to say i stayed away from this thread, because I thought this was going to be another, "Lets replace DD now" kinda thread, and that would just upset me.

It's really brought tears to my eyes, the love that you guys have shown DD in this thread........

Some of you anyway.......... thanks.

If this offense is so good that you only need a "second-echelon" running back, why doesn't every NFL team run it? That way no team would ever need to waste a #1 pick on a RB.

Seriously what is so "special" and if it is so special why have not all the other teams adopted the same style.

If you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

Someone please enlighten me as to what it is and why only we can run it with scrubs but no one else can.
Not everyone who runs the WCO has won 5 SuperBowls..... but the pioneers of the system did... since they were so successful, you had many teams trying to copy that offensive philosophy... and many other teams trying to mix some of the things that made the WCO so great into their systems... with varying success.

I dare to say the most successful WCO teams are the teams with the closest ties to Bill Walsh.... Bill Walshes OC(?? whoever he may have been) was probably the most successfull of his "copy cats" because he not only understood the system, but he understood how to teach the system, and how to fill roster spots for that system... learning from the man himself.

Zone Blocking, is Shanahan's thing. The man who helped Shanahan implement the ZB the most, is GaryKubiak........ if anyone can duplicate the success Denver has had over the last Decade, it would be Gary Kubiak.

Baltimore is the other team that runs the zone blocking scheme.
The Texans, the Falcons, the Redskins, and a few other teams incorporate some things from the ZB scheme.


It's a one cut and go system the running back does not have to think all to much and does not really need power or agility. The blockers or able to take out the defensive lineman with cut blocks and double team blocks to the second level.

The reason why some coachs don't run it becuase they do not know how to run it example Pendry and crew ran it, but did not do it the way it is suppose to run.

People are going to experiment with different things, trying to find what will work, and what will not. Kubiak's been there, done that.

infantrycak
08-16-2006, 05:45 PM
Zone Blocking, is Shanahan's thing. The man who helped Shanahan implement the ZB the most, is GaryKubiak........ if anyone can duplicate the success Denver has had over the last Decade, it would be Gary Kubiak.

Alex Gibbs might have a little something to say about that--Broncos 1995-2003, Falcons 2004-present. Kubiak should be a good choice also though.

houstonhurricane
08-16-2006, 05:51 PM
]']Here here! Mario was the right pick. I could never justify us picking Bush when our defense was dead last, last year. Here is mario, a potential HOF. He was doubles everytime sunday. We now have a player that commands respect on that line. I think that is awsome.

What game were you watching. Mario was doubled minimally, if at all...

cj5776
08-17-2006, 02:25 AM
Yes, part of the reason Kubes skipped on Bush was confidence in the system, but don't forget how close he came to getting De Angelo Williams. The Bills trumphed the trade as the last moment, from what I hear.

I think Smith will be a lot better than people are expecting. It sounds like the FBs missed some blocks.

DocBar
08-17-2006, 08:06 AM
WL will be better than DD. Especially on after-the-tackle or after-the-catch extra yardage.
If WL is better than DD in YAC(Yards After Contact), then he will be the league leading rusher. DD is exceptional at YAC. Very good at making players miss and breaking arm tackles. I, for one,hope you're right.