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Pigskin Porkers
08-14-2006, 12:00 PM
Just curious.

texan279
08-14-2006, 12:03 PM
Not sure, but I just found this on kffl.com

Texans | D. Davis feeling pain on the outside of his knee
Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:21:47 -0700

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis (knee) says the outside of his knee is sore. The doctors have told him that his knee will always be sore, but he's got to learn to play with the pain. It will be interesting to see if the sold performance of the team's rookie running backs Saturday, Aug. 12, inspires Davis to get back on the practice field.

chuckm
08-14-2006, 12:27 PM
I may be wrong but I believe they practice this afternoon ..... and did not this morning .....

thunderkyss
08-14-2006, 12:34 PM
let's just assume he didn't......... let's let the man rest until the season starts...

texan279
08-14-2006, 12:38 PM
My thinking on the thing is, if he hasn't been able to practice because of the pain and now the doctors are telling him he is going to have to learn to play with the pain, how is he going to hold up in a 16 game season when he can't even practice?

texflex513
08-14-2006, 04:04 PM
Just heard on SR 610 that he is doing a little running but not working with the team.

TEXANRED
08-14-2006, 04:10 PM
Any one else worry that DD will retire before the season starts? A nagging knee injury and always being in pain. He might not think its worth it.

Or he just doesnt like to practice.

texan279
08-14-2006, 04:34 PM
Any one else worry that DD will retire before the season starts? A nagging knee injury and always being in pain. He might not think its worth it.

Or he just doesnt like to practice.

I've thought about that as well but I can't really make a determination because all we are hearing is that doctors say his knee is fine, then we here he is having swelling and pain, he is not practicing, and now the doctors are telling him he is going to have to learn to pay through the pain. Not sure if he'll retire, but if we do see him on the field I doubt we see the same DD we are used to and I doubt he sees as much action as he is used to seeing. Just MO from everything I have heard.

AFD1717
08-14-2006, 04:37 PM
Any one else worry that DD will retire before the season starts? A nagging knee injury and always being in pain. He might not think its worth it.

Or he just doesnt like to practice.
I really don't think he'll retire. From everything I've read it sounds like he's waiting for his knee to feel normal again and the trainers are trying to convince him that he needs to redefine what normal is.

I think he'll play this year. Will it be in game 1? I don't know. Will he still be playing in game 16? I don't know. Will he play next year? I don't know.

Vinny
08-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Any one else worry that DD will retire before the season starts? A nagging knee injury and always being in pain. He might not think its worth it.

Or he just doesnt like to practice.He isn't anywhere close to a retirement. That knee will probably limit him to a specialist back (3rd down back) long term since I don't think it will ever hold up a full season as the primary feature back going forward.

texan279
08-14-2006, 04:42 PM
The thing I don't get is that the doctors say his knee is fine and that he has to learn to play through the pain. I thought pain was your body's way of telling you something is wrong. I had a knee scope in high school and it bothers me every so often, but it's not constant pain. Who knows, maybe I am wrong...

the wonger need food
08-14-2006, 04:43 PM
Our new Domanick...


http://www.kansascity.com/multimedia/kansascity/KRT_Packages/slideshow/chiefs_texans_08122006_md/images/CHIEFS_TEXANS_FOOTBALL_HTT105.jpg

kcwilson
08-14-2006, 04:46 PM
Any one else worry that DD will retire before the season starts? A nagging knee injury and always being in pain. He might not think its worth it.

Or he just doesnt like to practice.

He will not retire. He would be a fool if he did. Worst case is he goes on IR around week 6 after testing it a few times. Maybe a year off helps the "mysterious knee ailment" - no one knows how he bruised it.

Most importantly, he has a nice contract and can earn ~$4m for trying to see how it feels.

CloakNNNdagger
08-14-2006, 04:58 PM
Any one else worry that DD will retire before the season starts? A nagging knee injury and always being in pain. He might not think its worth it.

Or he just doesnt like to practice.

Listening to 610 just a few minutes ago, they said that information has filtered down today that DD's condition is unfortunately a "DEGENERATIVE THING" and that he may never come back. As I've pointed out in the past, it sounded that his signs and symptoms were pointing more and more to degenerative arthritic (bone on bone) changes in the knee.........this doesn't improvement with time , and certainly not with continued trauma.............and it doesn't improve with more surgery. This only confirms to me that DD's knee will only worsen and become more painful with time and use..........and no one should be asking him to play through such a condition which can only lead to the need for knee replacement. DD is not a sloucher or afraid of pain. This condition can be unrelenting and excrutiatingly painful. There is no future for him if he can no longer walk let alone run. If he indeed the facts are what they seem and he sees retirement this year, rather than criticizing him as "dogging it" we should all wish him well in making a wise decision.

Marcus
08-14-2006, 05:24 PM
Listening to 610 just a few minutes ago, they said that information has filtered down today that DD's condition is unfortunately a "DEGENERATIVE THING" and that he may never come back. As I've pointed out in the past, it sounded that his signs and symptoms were pointing more and more to degenerative arthritic (bone on bone) changes in the knee.........this doesn't improvement with time , and certainly not with continued trauma.............and it doesn't improve with more surgery. This only confirms to me that DD's knee will only worsen and become more painful with time and use..........and no one should be asking him to play through such a condition which can only lead to the need for knee replacement. DD is not a sloucher or afraid of pain. This condition can be unrelenting and excrutiatingly painful. There is no future for him if he can no longer walk let alone run. If he indeed the facts are what they seem and he sees retirement this year, rather than criticizing him as "dogging it" we should all wish him well in making a wise decision.

CND, a medical question. How can you have cartilage removed and not have a "bone on bone" condition eventually? I know a few people who've had cartilage damage, either by football injury, or just falling on the knee, like my mother did, and they all eventually contracted degenerative arthritus in the knee. My mother had her knee replaced about 4 years ago. That was a horror!

Anyways, I've had my suspicions that DD wouldn't play this season, so this doesn't come as a surprise.

texan279
08-14-2006, 05:24 PM
Listening to 610 just a few minutes ago, they said that information has filtered down today that DD's condition is unfortunately a "DEGENERATIVE THING" and that he may never come back. As I've pointed out in the past, it sounded that his signs and symptoms were pointing more and more to degenerative arthritic (bone on bone) changes in the knee.........this doesn't improvement with time , and certainly not with continued trauma.............and it doesn't improve with more surgery. This only confirms to me that DD's knee will only worsen and become more painful with time and use..........and no one should be asking him to play through such a condition which can only lead to the need for knee replacement. DD is not a sloucher or afraid of pain. This condition can be unrelenting and excrutiatingly painful. There is no future for him if he can no longer walk let alone run. If he indeed the facts are what they seem and he sees retirement this year, rather than criticizing him as "dogging it" we should all wish him well in making a wise decision.

Thanks cloak, I was hoping you would chime in, unfortunately, not the news I wanted to hear.

NATHANHALE
08-14-2006, 05:33 PM
My thinking on the thing is, if he hasn't been able to practice because of the pain and now the doctors are telling him he is going to have to learn to play with the pain, how is he going to hold up in a 16 game season when he can't even practice?

...just read the start of Cloak's post, so we may know sooner than later

TexansFanatic
08-14-2006, 05:34 PM
Too bad for DD. 3 good, solid, productive NFL years are still better than most people can hope for and, if he's invested wisely, he can live a long life without much worry or want.

chuckm
08-14-2006, 05:37 PM
I feel for DD if this is truly something that'll never improve ..... but on the other hand, I find myself less and less concerned about the Texan's running back situation ....

MightyTExan
08-14-2006, 05:40 PM
Is this the same injury that Curtis Martin is considering retirement for?

cmiller007
08-14-2006, 05:42 PM
Listening to 610 just a few minutes ago, they said that information has filtered down today that DD's condition is unfortunately a "DEGENERATIVE THING" and that he may never come back. As I've pointed out in the past, it sounded that his signs and symptoms were pointing more and more to degenerative arthritic (bone on bone) changes in the knee.........this doesn't improvement with time , and certainly not with continued trauma.............and it doesn't improve with more surgery. This only confirms to me that DD's knee will only worsen and become more painful with time and use..........and no one should be asking him to play through such a condition which can only lead to the need for knee replacement. DD is not a sloucher or afraid of pain. This condition can be unrelenting and excrutiatingly painful. There is no future for him if he can no longer walk let alone run. If he indeed the facts are what they seem and he sees retirement this year, rather than criticizing him as "dogging it" we should all wish him well in making a wise decision.


I thought he had it re-evaluted a week ago and was told it was fine???

tulexan
08-14-2006, 06:02 PM
Would we get some sort of medical exemption for the cap like they do in the NBA?

joetexan
08-14-2006, 06:13 PM
Yes, this is the same injury Curtis Martin is contemplating retirement over. He has zero cartilage left in one of his knees. DD seems to be on the same path. As an LSU alum, I really hate to see these problems happen to him, but hope he makes the right decision for himself and his life after football.

If he does end up having to retire sooner than later, we apparently have ourselves quite a find in Wali Lundy.

19-10
08-14-2006, 06:16 PM
Our new Domanick...


http://www.kansascity.com/multimedia/kansascity/KRT_Packages/slideshow/chiefs_texans_08122006_md/images/CHIEFS_TEXANS_FOOTBALL_HTT105.jpg


I might be premature on this but not only our NEW Domanick but our improved Domanick.

PapaL
08-14-2006, 06:33 PM
Isn't this what also cost Terrell Davis his career? As much as I would like DD to be around, there is more to life then football. Better to play touch football with his family then to suffer more damage for us. If this is the case, lets cut ties quickly and move on. The sooner we can plan for the future, the better off we will be. Best of luck DD.

CloakNNNdagger
08-14-2006, 07:19 PM
I thought he had it re-evaluted a week ago and was told it was fine???

Translated front office talk: "He is as good as he will get, with no indication for further surgery.......so just tough it out."

Brandon420tx
08-14-2006, 07:28 PM
I might be premature on this but not only our NEW Domanick but our improved Domanick.

The reason he has the ability to become our improved Domanick (Not saying he will or wont) is because of the Coaching staff.

CloakNNNdagger
08-14-2006, 07:32 PM
CND, a medical question. How can you have cartilage removed and not have a "bone on bone" condition eventually? I know a few people who've had cartilage damage, either by football injury, or just falling on the knee, like my mother did, and they all eventually contracted degenerative arthritus in the knee. My mother had her knee replaced about 4 years ago. That was a horror!

Anyways, I've had my suspicions that DD wouldn't play this season, so this doesn't come as a surprise.

At first, there is usually isolated damage with only small areas denuded. Many times the broken away particles, if left long enough in the joint (between 2 intact moving apposing cartilage surfaces) will grind remaining cartilage surfaces down and cause more pieces to break off and grind away more and more cartilage away and so forth and so forth. Eventually either from continuous trauma or multiple injuries or multiple surgeries, bone on bone is the result with chronic progressive painful degenerative arthritis. When bone then starts grinding down significantly, knee replacement is the only alternative to invalidcy.

vtech9
08-14-2006, 07:43 PM
At first, there is usually isolated damage with only small areas denuded. Many times the broken away particles, if left long enough in the joint (between 2 intact moving apposing cartilage surfaces) will grind remaining cartilage surfaces down and cause more pieces to break off and grind away more and more cartilage away and so forth and so forth. Eventually either from continuous trauma or multiple injuries or multiple surgeries, bone on bone is the result with chronic progressive painful degenerative arthritis. When bone then starts grinding down significantly, knee replacement is the only alternative to invalidcy.
hey Cloak, is it possible to fix this problem with replacement cartilage from a cadaver?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-14-2006, 07:44 PM
I think Lundy wins the starting job in the preseason and never looks back.

Ckw
08-14-2006, 07:49 PM
Our new Domanick...


http://www.kansascity.com/multimedia/kansascity/KRT_Packages/slideshow/chiefs_texans_08122006_md/images/CHIEFS_TEXANS_FOOTBALL_HTT105.jpg
All I can say is "Hell yeah!" Wali looked awesome and I am expecting big things from the kid. I just hope it wasn't just that first game, bring it on mentality and then he won't ever play the same again. But I don't think so. Something Kubiak said in the game still sticks out. He said Wali "had that hunger in his eyes" and he wasn't suprised with his performance at all. Let's hope he keeps that hunger.

mexican_texan
08-14-2006, 07:50 PM
Ah...now I see why Domanick Davis jerseys were cheaper than Aaron Glenn or Jamie Sharper jerseys for months now...I shouda bought the AJ jersey...

bad
08-14-2006, 07:56 PM
I think Lundy wins the starting job in the preseason and never looks back. This off of one preseason game?

D.D. must be about the most underappreciated player in the NFL. He has done so much for the Texans. When healthy he's by far our best RB and best receiver out of the backfield.

IMO the only way Lundy "wins" a starting job is if D.D. is injured.

I think a healthy Domanick Davis runs for 1500+ yards under this new scheme.

Let's take a step back here. It's one preseason game. Nobody's had a chance to be a bust or be the next Barry Sanders.

Bring on the Rams.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
08-14-2006, 08:02 PM
This off of the fact that Lundy has experience running in a zone blocking scheme at Virginia, how much of a natural fit he is in to Kubiak's system, and Domanick Davis' inability to stay healthy as well as his ineffectiveness playing hurt.

CloakNNNdagger
08-14-2006, 08:03 PM
hey Cloak, is it possible to fix this problem with replacement cartilage from a cadaver?

Taking pieces of cartilage from one area to another or pieces of bone attached to cartilage or morselizing cartilage (making it into a paste) have all been used to resurface joint bone. The donor areas are chosen from non-weight bearing surfaces. The problem is that this technique is used for small areas requiring resurfacing.

Cadaveric cartilage has been used for larger surfaces, but has significant problems with rejection reactions (even though cartilage is considered to be essentially non-immunogenic) occur.

With this technique for large surfaces, though the goal is basic function through life-long rehab......NOT return to traumatic activities like pro football.

texan279
08-14-2006, 08:12 PM
Taking pieces of cartilage from one area to another or pieces of bone attached to cartilage or morselizing cartilage (making it into a paste) have all been used to resurface joint bone. The donor areas are chosen from non-weight bearing surfaces. The problem is that this technique is used for small areas requiring resurfacing.

Cadaveric cartilage has been used for larger surfaces, but has significant problems with rejection reactions (even though cartilage is considered to be essentially non-immunogenic) occur.

With this technique for large surfaces, though the goal is basic function through life-long rehab......NOT return to traumatic activities like pro football.

Cloak, just wanted to say thanks for your insight into DD's knee situation over the past few months, you have given us a much better perspective and understanding of what has been going on with his knee than any media outlet or interview could have given us, thanks again.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CloakNNNdagger again.

pskinny
08-14-2006, 08:48 PM
d@mn it, I know nobody wants to hear this....but I can't help it.....it's eating away at me.....can't...keep.....from....thinking....it.... but WHY? :crying: WHY? :crying: ....didn't we draft Reggie? :brickwall

Don't answer.

vtech9
08-14-2006, 08:51 PM
d@mn it, I know nobody wants to hear this....but I can't help it.....it's eating away at me.....can't...keep.....from....thinking....it.... but WHY? :crying: WHY? :crying: ....didn't we draft Reggie? :brickwall

Don't answer.
because we didn't want him, and because we didn't need him. (and still don't...even without DD)

thunderkyss
08-14-2006, 09:06 PM
Cloak, just wanted to say thanks for your insight into DD's knee situation over the past few months, you have given us a much better perspective and understanding of what has been going on with his knee than any media outlet or interview could have given us, thanks again.

Has anyone confirmed this as any thing more than speculation?? I know Cloak is giving you info on a condition DD is speculated to have, but have we had any confirmation of this??

I really think this is sad... that so many guys are ready to move on, and DD hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Each and everyone of us should be holding our breaths, and praying that DD comes back healthy, and not looking for the next thing to come in and wipe him off the history books.

AFAIK, DD is the only one on our team....... maybe Pitts, who has been able to give us a glimpse of hope over the last three years, despite the coaching difficulties he has had to endure.

DD will be back, and he'll be the center of our running game for the next 5 years.... :yahoo:

there should be no talk of anything otherwise.

Texans_Chick
08-14-2006, 09:12 PM
From today's camp quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2753&section=N%20Latest%20News) from Kubiak:


(on RB Domanick Davis’ knee) “The good news is, for the first time in about a week, Domanick and I have had a conversation, and he said ‘coach, I’m feeling better.’ I know he did actually run a little bit in the past 48 hours, and that’s encouraging. The key is his mindset, he’s been through this befor. As I’ve told you all along, we’re going to be patient; we know he can play the game. We just have to know that we’re going to get there at some point. We’ll keep our fingers crossed, and hopefully it’ll work out.”

(on how much work Domanick will be able to handle when he comes back) “Well, you’d like to have a lot, that’s just part of football. It’s hard to go out and play without the work. With his situation, we have to do what’s right. We want to get something out of this year. We have to do what we have to do to get him to that point, and we’re not going to hurt him in the preseason because I think he needs the extra reps. We’re going to be smart with that. If Domanick is full strength for this football team, be it in week four, week five or week six he’s going to help this football team win, so we have to be smart with that.”

(on running out of patience with him) “You try not to run out of patience because you have situations like that all the time. They tend to work themselves out, but the one thing that remains constant is that you’re working with them everyday so they can be there on game day, so you’re going to have to make sure you’re getting them ready to play. That’s our focus, and (Head Athletic Trainer) Kevin (Bastin) will do a great job with Domanick and let us know when he’s ready to go, but we have to get these guys out there ready to play.”

(on Domanick needing reps during the preseason) “I don’t want to answer that right now. I think that would be hard, that would be very hard to do. I think he’d tell you the same thing. I don’t know, stranger things have happened. Let’s wait and see.”


My emphasis.

In other words, nobody knows.

jerek
08-14-2006, 09:16 PM
I might be premature on this but not only our NEW Domanick but our improved Domanick.

Very premature to call him an improved Domanick. I like Lundy/Taylor in our new system as well, but IMO you're underestimating Davis' ability and worth.

I've torn cartilage in both; one is Level II and other Level IV. I was a college athlete and as much as you can hope to rebuild the muscle to minimize the injury's impact, you will only ever be so much. Premature and severe arthritis can result. I don't want Davis on the sidelines any more than any of us, but I surely wouldn't rush to condemn the guy if he thinks he can't go.

Pigskin Porkers
08-14-2006, 09:16 PM
Has anyone confirmed this as any thing more than speculation?? I know Cloak is giving you info on a condition DD is speculated to have, but have we had any confirmation of this??

I really think this is sad... that so many guys are ready to move on, and DD hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Each and everyone of us should be holding our breaths, and praying that DD comes back healthy, and not looking for the next thing to come in and wipe him off the history books.

AFAIK, DD is the only one on our team....... maybe Pitts, who has been able to give us a glimpse of hope over the last three years, despite the coaching difficulties he has had to endure.

DD will be back, and he'll be the center of our running game for the next 5 years.... :yahoo:

there should be no talk of anything otherwise.

I tore my meniscus in High School, played through it. Played summer ball, then onto college. It would give out on me on the stairs in the beginning but once I built my leg strength back I was fine. We can all speculate, but we really do not know the extent of this. Yeah, his knee will never be like it was before, and it will probably ache after playing. It didn't stop me, you just get used to the pain. I played for 5 years after and I am fine now still.

Marcus
08-14-2006, 09:18 PM
Has anyone confirmed this as any thing more than speculation?? I know Cloak is giving you info on a condition DD is speculated to have, but have we had any confirmation of this??

I really think this is sad... that so many guys are ready to move on, and DD hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Each and everyone of us should be holding our breaths, and praying that DD comes back healthy, and not looking for the next thing to come in and wipe him off the history books.

AFAIK, DD is the only one on our team....... maybe Pitts, who has been able to give us a glimpse of hope over the last three years, despite the coaching difficulties he has had to endure.

DD will be back, and he'll be the center of our running game for the next 5 years.... :yahoo:

Is this just wishful thinking on your part, or have you not been keeping up with what's going on? He can't even practice without his knee swelling up. And no, there's no CONFIRMATION of this. So what?

And what's this got to do with "history books"?

there should be no talk of anything otherwise.

Uh-huh?:rolleyes:

texan279
08-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Has anyone confirmed this as any thing more than speculation?? I know Cloak is giving you info on a condition DD is speculated to have, but have we had any confirmation of this??

I really think this is sad... that so many guys are ready to move on, and DD hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Each and everyone of us should be holding our breaths, and praying that DD comes back healthy, and not looking for the next thing to come in and wipe him off the history books.

AFAIK, DD is the only one on our team....... maybe Pitts, who has been able to give us a glimpse of hope over the last three years, despite the coaching difficulties he has had to endure.

DD will be back, and he'll be the center of our running game for the next 5 years.... :yahoo:

there should be no talk of anything otherwise.

Has anyone confirmed this as any thing more than speculation??

DominatorDavis
08-14-2006, 09:19 PM
If Dominic cannot return, why do some think that the Texans starting running back would be Lundy over Morency?

pskinny
08-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Has anyone confirmed this as any thing more than speculation?? I know Cloak is giving you info on a condition DD is speculated to have, but have we had any confirmation of this??

I really think this is sad... that so many guys are ready to move on, and DD hasn't even stepped on the field yet. Each and everyone of us should be holding our breaths, and praying that DD comes back healthy, and not looking for the next thing to come in and wipe him off the history books.

AFAIK, DD is the only one on our team....... maybe Pitts, who has been able to give us a glimpse of hope over the last three years, despite the coaching difficulties he has had to endure.

DD will be back, and he'll be the center of our running game for the next 5 years.... :yahoo:

there should be no talk of anything otherwise.

Well DD has been hurt since what...the last 2 or 3 games of LAST SEASON? If he can't get healthy in the offseason with no football, what makes you think he'll get healthy during the season with a 250lb linebacker hitting him 20 times a game?....That's at least how I look at it. Trust me, I really hope DD plays the bulk of this year injury free. I would love to see him in Kubiak's system, because you're right, he's been the only bright spot in the black hole of the 2-14 season we had to endure last year....But it's just not looking good right now, not at all. What pains me, is we knew all this and yet we still......ah...forget it.

Oh....and though he looked good, I'll withhold my Wali Lundy excitement until I see it in regular season games, against REAL defenses like the Eagles or Cowboys.

thunderkyss
08-14-2006, 09:26 PM
Very premature to call him an improved Domanick. I like Lundy/Taylor in our new system as well, but IMO you're underestimating Davis' ability and worth.

I've torn cartilage in both; one is Level II and other Level IV. I was a college athlete and as much as you can hope to rebuild the muscle to minimize the injury's impact, you will only ever be so much. Premature and severe arthritis can result. I don't want Davis on the sidelines any more than any of us, but I surely wouldn't rush to condemn the guy if he thinks he can't go.


I knew there was a reason I liked you.

Marcus
08-14-2006, 09:31 PM
d@mn it, I know nobody wants to hear this....but I can't help it.....it's eating away at me.....can't...keep.....from....thinking....it.... but WHY? :crying: WHY? :crying: ....didn't we draft Reggie? :brickwall

Don't answer.

Want me to speculate? When Kubiak told Bush what kind of runner he wanted him to be if he was drafted, Bush responded in such a manner that turned Kubiak off.

That's what I think happened. I don't even think if DD retired right then and there, it would have changed Kubiak's mind. I don't care what the offical line was, I think Bush pissed Kubiak off, and that was that.

Tale Gator
08-14-2006, 09:58 PM
DD is going to need microfracture surgery in the near future.

threetoedpete
08-14-2006, 09:59 PM
Well just as soon let it play out. Put DD on the PUP list, see if he can make it back by Mid October. Looks dire though. I don't know, & I'm not in the loop, but my guess is coach K is going to go in the Parcells mode as far as who our starting RB will be opening day. Ain't no one going to know, including this BBS, untill Jim Johnson and the rest of us sees him trotting out for the first series of the Philly game.
Not ready to throw dirt into Morency's grave yet either. He is always been a darter, give him a chance to adjust. The guy hasn't even had his turn yet and a bunch of you already have the guy burried . Always harder to relearn than to come in with a blank slate. Be kinda nice to pick up a day one for '07 off the Jets though if we end up with three nice running backs ?
Nice posts CnnnD.