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jerek
08-09-2006, 04:23 PM
I am going to propose an outlandish number: 6. And 2 INTs.

Titan "Tack" Fan
08-09-2006, 04:27 PM
I'm thinkin anywhere between 6-9

powerfuldragon
08-09-2006, 04:27 PM
i say four to eight.

texflex513
08-09-2006, 04:29 PM
Im gonna go with 4 with mario having at least 1 of those. As far as picks not sure 1 maybe 2. The main thing is we finally get pressure on the QB :texflag:

infantrycak
08-09-2006, 04:32 PM
This actually will be interesting. The Chief's line is in disarray. Kyle Turley will be starting at LT--that tells you something right there. He hasn't played football in two years, isn't up to his former play weight, was just thinking about trying to play as a TE and the last time he played LT he gave up 13.5 sacks. At RT they are starting Kevin Sampson a 7th round 2004 draft pick who has started 1 game.

MightyTExan
08-09-2006, 04:33 PM
This actually will be interesting. The Chief's line is in disarray. Kyle Turley will be starting at LT--that tells you something right there. He hasn't played football in two years, isn't up to his former play weight, was just thinking about trying to play as a TE and the last time he played LT he gave up 13.5 sacks. At RT they are starting Kevin Sampson a 7th round 2004 draft pick who has started 1 game.



That has a familiar ring to it........... :spy:

real
08-09-2006, 04:34 PM
I am going to propose an outlandish number: 6. And 2 INTs.

As a team I'll give us four....One each for peek and babin....and TWO for SUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPEEEEER Mario.....:mario: :mario: :mario: :mario:

jerek
08-09-2006, 04:49 PM
This actually will be interesting. The Chief's line is in disarray. Kyle Turley will be starting at LT--that tells you something right there. He hasn't played football in two years, isn't up to his former play weight, was just thinking about trying to play as a TE and the last time he played LT he gave up 13.5 sacks. At RT they are starting Kevin Sampson a 7th round 2004 draft pick who has started 1 game.

Good point. Conceivably, we could ring up even more.

I'm excited about Carr and the offense, but I'm most excited to see how our defense looks; playcalls, etc. I want to see if our D-line and blitzers can be as dominating as I dream might be.

Coach C.
08-09-2006, 04:56 PM
Jerek, why didnt you make this a poll?

Double Barrel
08-09-2006, 05:09 PM
4+ this week...we're just getting warmed up.

LOUD PROUD & TEXAN! :texflag:

Dime
08-09-2006, 05:15 PM
I am not going to give a number.. I just would be stoked if they had a constant pass rush. I would love to see 10 sacks.. but lets see what we have.

jerek
08-09-2006, 05:16 PM
Mods, please merge with the other one.

Coach C.
08-09-2006, 05:19 PM
Yeah the poll is much better. Merge them mods, and let the voting begin. Mario is going to kill the chiefs RT. He is some seventh rounder and I dont even remember his name. Mr. CantBlockMario will make Herm Edwards only play his starters for one series.

Double Barrel
08-09-2006, 05:30 PM
Mods, please merge with the other one.

My pleasure. :howdy:

real
08-09-2006, 05:36 PM
My pleasure. :howdy:

Man....did you just reach the hall of fame level ?

michaelm
08-09-2006, 05:37 PM
I'm going with four.
There are a few things to consider that may make it more than four...
There is a good chance that our starting DLine will go deeper into this game than a starting unit might in a normal preseason game one.

The second thing is that with KC's afore mention OLine turmoil, they almost certainly don't have the same level of quality in the line that we have in our second and even third string DL.
I think the first team we put out there will have success, but in the second half I really think our DL will have a substantial talent advantage over the OL they send out there.

hmmm... I think I just talked myself into adding a sack or two... too bad I already voted!

jdog
08-09-2006, 05:41 PM
Mario 2; Babin 1; Peek 1; Weaver 1; Orr 1; TOTAL 6

edo783
08-09-2006, 09:09 PM
I guess I am the one that will be the wet blanket. 2 sacks and 1 int. First game, 1st team only plays about one quarter. I think one of the sacks will come from the second team as our second team line will be basicaly our last years starter line. We will give up one sack to Sage and both our QBs will throw an INT. L.J. gets 45 yards for the Chiefs on 12 carries. We score 17 Chiefs get 10.

Seņor Stan
08-09-2006, 09:28 PM
5 sacks...

Mario 2, Kalu 1 , Peek 1, Ro-bear 1

Corrosion
08-09-2006, 09:49 PM
Im gonna go with 3 ..... Even the Texans abysmal line last year only gave up 4.25 per game .... and that was a near record pace for ineptitude .

The Texans D-line is probably the strength of the team but even against a team who's weakness is their O-line I dont see such a disparity in talent that would lead me to believe the sack total would go over five . These are all professionals .... However I do see the Texans D-line giving constant pressure forcing some poor passes and causing general havoc.

Three would make me happy .... and be an improvement over last seasons average of 2.3 per game .:twocents:

Texan Asylum
08-09-2006, 09:52 PM
I guess I am the one that will be the wet blanket. 2 sacks and 1 int. First game, 1st team only plays about one quarter. I think one of the sacks will come from the second team as our second team line will be basicaly our last years starter line. We will give up one sack to Sage and both our QBs will throw an INT. L.J. gets 45 yards for the Chiefs on 12 carries. We score 17 Chiefs get 10.
Don't know about being a wet blanket, just realistic. Like you said...being a preseason game, and most the starters out after the first quarter, I think three is probably about right. Of course three would be a dang site better than last year. I would bet on more picks than sacks.

NOW, lets say the first team comes out and manhandles the Chiefs...then I think full-throttle enthusiasm takes over and we'll have a free-for-all!:yahoo:

J-Storm
08-10-2006, 10:36 AM
Realistically I would say 4 sacks and 2 INT's. We don't want the guys to have a field day against the Chiefs and then fall in a hole to where we were last year so let's take it gradually ... :francis:

thunderkyss
08-10-2006, 12:49 PM
I am going to propose an outlandish number: 6. And 2 INTs.

I was thinking 6-7, but you didn't break it down that way, so I voted for 6.

thunderkyss
08-10-2006, 12:52 PM
I'm going with four.
There are a few things to consider that may make it more than four...
There is a good chance that our starting DLine will go deeper into this game than a starting unit might in a normal preseason game one.

The second thing is that with KC's afore mention OLine turmoil, they almost certainly don't have the same level of quality in the line that we have in our second and even third string DL.
I think the first team we put out there will have success, but in the second half I really think our DL will have a substantial talent advantage over the OL they send out there.

hmmm... I think I just talked myself into adding a sack or two... too bad I already voted!

and our second and third teams are still going to include guys like Babin/Peek, Kalu, TJ, Payne....... etc......

we look really good on the DLine.

thunderkyss
08-10-2006, 12:54 PM
I guess I am the one that will be the wet blanket. 2 sacks and 1 int. First game, 1st team only plays about one quarter. I think one of the sacks will come from the second team as our second team line will be basicaly our last years starter line. We will give up one sack to Sage and both our QBs will throw an INT. L.J. gets 45 yards for the Chiefs on 12 carries. We score 17 Chiefs get 10.

I seriously doubt LJ will get 12 carries in the preseason opener........

tulexan
08-10-2006, 12:56 PM
With all of the injuries that the Chiefs have, the last thing they are going to do is over work their best player. I see him get a handful of carries and then Michael Bennett getting a bulk of the rest.

Texas
08-10-2006, 01:12 PM
Because of there struggling line this year and the pass rush we are supposed to have this year im going to say 4. With two interceptions because of the fact there quarterbacks will get tired of being sacked therefore start throwing more desperate passes causing off accuracy and our secondary to pick off.

mancunian
08-10-2006, 01:21 PM
I say 4...but who was the optimist that went 10+?

South Texan
08-10-2006, 01:22 PM
Considering our depth on the d-line and the KC team is pretty banged up right now, I went 4 - 6.

I will not be too surprised if we end up with +3 take aways or more.

vtech9
08-10-2006, 01:54 PM
I am picturing total havok. I voted 4-6, but I have the feeling that it might be double that. I see Peek with 2. I just picture him embarrassing Turley. With Mario on the other side, it could be scary. One thing that I see that might limit the number of sacks is KC running the ball more. If they run the ball more, we should get a pretty good picture of how good our run defense is going to be.

HOU-TEX
08-10-2006, 02:22 PM
I am picturing total havok. I voted 4-6, but I have the feeling that it might be double that. I see Peek with 2. I just picture him embarrassing Turley. With Mario on the other side, it could be scary. One thing that I see that might limit the number of sacks is KC running the ball more. If they run the ball more, we should get a pretty good picture of how good our run defense is going to be.

I agree 100%. After all, we had a horrible run D last year. Why wouldn't they test it? Then again our pass D was bad too.:rolleyes:

Chance_C
08-10-2006, 02:56 PM
I agree 100%. After all, we had a horrible run D last year. Why wouldn't they test it? Then again our pass D was bad too.

Yeah, but they will find out how much our run d has improved. It is definately not a perceived weakness right now, but we hadn't proved it on the field yet, and they will test it early on. That's when we will begin to realize what we all already know. Our run D is GOOD.

Because of this I voted 4-6. We'll make them throw the ball. Mario will get doubled, and I think we will put some pressure on the QB, even when our backups come in.

HOU-TEX
08-10-2006, 03:00 PM
Yeah, but they will find out how much our run d has improved. It is definately not a perceived weakness right now, but we hadn't proved it on the field yet, and they will test it early on. That's when we will begin to realize what we all already know. Our run D is GOOD.

Because of this I voted 4-6. We'll make them throw the ball. Mario will get doubled, and I think we will put some pressure on the QB, even when our backups come in.

That's what I'm hoping for this year. Force them to throw on 3rd and long. That's when it becomes open game on the QB for our DEs:drool:

kmartin575
08-10-2006, 04:03 PM
Willie Roaf didn't play against you guys last year but you expect to all of a sudden get sacks by the dozen? If Larry Johnson were playing the whole game he would have another 200+ game.

kmartin575
08-10-2006, 04:04 PM
Considering our depth on the d-line and the KC team is pretty banged up right now, I went 4 - 6.

I will not be too surprised if we end up with +3 take aways or more.

The Chiefs are not all that banged up. The only starters that will not be playing are most likely Tamba Hali and Brian Waters.

jerek
08-10-2006, 04:10 PM
Willie Roaf didn't play against you guys last year but you expect to all of a sudden get sacks by the dozen? If Larry Johnson were playing the whole game he would have another 200+ game.

Closet Chiefs fan?

Who's predicted sacks by the dozen?

Our predictions have a lot more to do with our new head coach, defensive coordinator, acquisition of Mario Williams and Anthony Weaver, and positioning of Peek and Babin on the D-line, than your raggedy O-line.

I never understand fans who troll other teams' message boards.

TexansLucky13
08-10-2006, 04:11 PM
Just because they lost Roaf doesn't mean the have a terrible line now. 3 Sacks, one of which belongs to Mario.

kmartin575
08-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Closet Chiefs fan?

Who's predicted sacks by the dozen?

Our predictions have a lot more to do with our new head coach, defensive coordinator, acquisition of Mario Williams and Anthony Weaver, and positioning of Peek and Babin on the D-line, than your raggedy O-line.

I never understand fans who troll other teams' message boards.

Raggedy O-line? Will Shields is one of the best guards in the game. Brian Waters is also one of the best guards in the game, although I guess he won't be playing. Casey Wiegmann is one of the best centers in the game. Kyle Turley at left tackle is still better than anybody the Texans have at left tackle. I really laugh at a Texans fan talking trash on another teams offensive line. Your line has been the worst in football for quite some time.

HOU-TEX
08-10-2006, 04:15 PM
Willie Roaf didn't play against you guys last year but you expect to all of a sudden get sacks by the dozen? If Larry Johnson were playing the whole game he would have another 200+ game.

Who said we'd have that many sacks? From what I'm reading, I'm seeing an average between 4-6. Let's not over-exaggerate too much in order to prove your point.:challenge

infantrycak
08-10-2006, 04:17 PM
If Larry Johnson were playing the whole game he would have another 200+ game.

Larry Johnson did play the whole game (36 carries) and did have a 200+ yd game--211 yds.

HOU-TEX
08-10-2006, 04:19 PM
Raggedy O-line? Will Shields is one of the best guards in the game. Brian Waters is also one of the best guards in the game, although I guess he won't be playing. Casey Wiegmann is one of the best centers in the game. Kyle Turley at left tackle is still better than anybody the Texans have at left tackle. I really laugh at a Texans fan talking trash on another teams offensive line. Your line has been the worst in football for quite some time.

There wasn't really any trash talking going on until you made your accusations.:tease:

jerek
08-10-2006, 04:20 PM
Raggedy O-line? Will Shields is one of the best guards in the game. Brian Waters is also one of the best guards in the game, although I guess he won't be playing. Casey Wiegmann is one of the best centers in the game. Kyle Turley at left tackle is still better than anybody the Texans have at left tackle. I really laugh at a Texans fan talking trash on another teams offensive line. Your line has been the worst in football for quite some time.

And I laugh at halfwit insults posted by trolls from other teams on a Texans message board. Your O-line with or without Roaf is still an upper echelon line, but your "one of the best in the game" x3 is a bit of a stretch IMO. Kyle Turley is a washout whom I suspect will be dominated by our RDE. You won't recognize our defense and our O-line and offense in general should be improved, but I guess we'll all have to wait and see.

jerek
08-10-2006, 04:22 PM
Larry Johnson did play the whole game (36 carries) and did have a 200+ yd game--211 yds.

I think he meant for this upcoming preseason game.

infantrycak
08-10-2006, 04:25 PM
I think he meant for this upcoming preseason game.

Wow--poor segue--referencing last year in one sentence and an upcoming game in the next. Aah well, what do you expect from someone who is not terrified by the idea of Kyle Turley at LT--insert internet shudder.

TexansLucky13
08-10-2006, 04:27 PM
Raggedy O-line? Will Shields is one of the best guards in the game. Brian Waters is also one of the best guards in the game, although I guess he won't be playing. Casey Wiegmann is one of the best centers in the game. Kyle Turley at left tackle is still better than anybody the Texans have at left tackle. I really laugh at a Texans fan talking trash on another teams offensive line. Your line has been the worst in football for quite some time.

That was a tad bit unnecessary, dude. Jerek did nothing to merit that response, and you should have a little thing called tact when you troll other teams forums. From the way you speak you obviously just want to talk trash to someone. Go bother the Broncos MB, they will ban you for even saying you are a Chiefs fan.

kmartin575
08-10-2006, 04:28 PM
Larry Johnson did play the whole game (36 carries) and did have a 200+ yd game--211 yds.

I mean if he were playing the whole game on Saturday. Now that I come to think of it though I think your run defense will be much improved. We would still have success running on you but not the way we did last year.

kmartin575
08-10-2006, 04:29 PM
That was a tad bit unnecessary, dude. Jerek did nothing to merit that response, and you should have a little thing called tact when you troll other teams forums. From the way you speak you obviously just want to talk trash to someone. Go bother the Broncos MB, they will ban you for even saying you are a Chiefs fan.

Sorry. I'm not trying to talk smack. I just think it's funny that people think you guys are going to rack up the sacks on us. I do post on the Broncos messageboard and I have never been banned. They are jokes there though.

TexansLucky13
08-10-2006, 04:30 PM
Sorry. I'm not trying to talk smack. I just think it's funny that people think you guys are going to rack up the sacks on us.

You will find that Texans fans are quite forgiving on this MB, so long as you ask for it. No hard feelings... just be careful how you word things.

I don't see us getting more than 3 sacks against ya'll... truth be told.

infantrycak
08-10-2006, 04:31 PM
I mean if he were playing the whole game on Saturday. Now that I come to think of it though I think your run defense will be much improved. We would still have success running on you but not the way we did last year.

Thanks for the very polite response. Look we really do like visiting fans coming in to talk football. Let's all try to keep the rhetoric down to gentle jabs instead of outright assaults so this doesn't devolve into smack talk rather than football talk. There is a reason we don't have a smack talk forum around here. Welcome to the MB.

kmartin575
08-10-2006, 04:37 PM
Thanks for the very polite response. Look we really do like visiting fans coming in to talk football. Let's all try to keep the rhetoric down to gentle jabs instead of outright assaults so this doesn't devolve into smack talk rather than football talk. There is a reason we don't have a smack talk forum around here. Welcome to the MB.

Thanks. Believe me, I'm not one for talking smack (unless I'm on a Raiders messageboard). I may say things that not everybody agrees with but I will not say something like "your team sucks". I would rather talk football than talk smack.

TexansLucky13
08-10-2006, 04:43 PM
Thanks. Believe me, I'm not one for talking smack (unless I'm on a Raiders messageboard). I may say things that not everybody agrees with but I will not say something like "your team sucks". I would rather talk football than talk smack.

With as much as we have had to deal with last year, any shot at our O-line can be taken all too seriously. It's still a sore spot for fans and for the team itself, so be careful about that.

P.S.- I really couldn't imagine a Raiders forum NOT being a smacktalk forum. :tease:

thunderkyss
08-10-2006, 04:55 PM
Raggedy O-line? Will Shields is one of the best guards in the game. Brian Waters is also one of the best guards in the game, although I guess he won't be playing. Casey Wiegmann is one of the best centers in the game. Kyle Turley at left tackle is still better than anybody the Texans have at left tackle. I really laugh at a Texans fan talking trash on another teams offensive line. Your line has been the worst in football for quite some time.

You do understand we aren't playing our offensive line against theirs don't you??

& Just because we had the worst offensive line in the league last year, doesn't mean we can't talk trash on other offensive lines... my line being bad, doesn't change the fact that yours is also.

TK_Gamer
08-10-2006, 04:56 PM
didnt we get 3 sacks in the first game we ever played against the chiefs? and I believe it was a drive stalling sack that clinched the game for us. Kyle turley is not in game shape, not up to game weight and If I recall hasnt played in almost 2 years. and from what i heard in the paper, the backup LT they didnt think could be a starter so he got moved to RT. so I voted 4-6, I'm also taking into consideration they dont have the FB richardson to help out and will have an untested late signed backup QB. It could be more like 7-9. we'll see. as pumped up as our defense has been, I wouldnt wanna be the Chiefs QB.

thunderkyss
08-10-2006, 05:18 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/09/26/another_dreadful_sunday/

Biggest HURT ever! Man! .... from above article

"But there wasn’t a loss, even in that 6-10 season of 2001, that hurt as much as what happened to the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium against the Houston Texans."
"And, make no mistake the Chiefs are a good football team. They just are not a good team right now. Lose to the Broncos in Denver; that’s understandable. Lose to a team that made the Super Bowl last year, that’s hardly an upset.

But lose to a 0-2 Houston team that’s just in its third season of existence? And, drop that game at home, with a crowd that was revved up and as helpful as any group Arrowhead has seen in some time? There’s no way to easily explain what’s happened to this football team."


It will be nice when the day comes, that losing to the Texans, isn't the lowest thing in the universe that can happen to another NFL team. Waiting for the day when losing to us can be understandable too.

whatever.... mr spank'n

hope you noticed that was a home game for you....

meaning we spanked yo ass in your backyard.

jerek
08-10-2006, 05:48 PM
whatever.... mr spank'n

hope you noticed that was a home game for you....

meaning we spanked yo ass in your backyard.

Sort of like they drove us on our homefield during primetime? One of my Texans experiences I'd most like to forget.

Was this trash talk? ... if so, it doesn't seem effective IMO.

HJam72
08-10-2006, 05:52 PM
With as much as we have had to deal with last year, any shot at our O-line can be taken all too seriously. It's still a sore spot for fans and for the team itself, so be careful about that.:tease:

It's not a sore spot. Our O-line problems are more of an obvious fact. :tease:

This game could theorectically turn into a sack fest on both sides. We've got a rookie LT (albeit a very good one) and Seth Wand. We're improved, at least with Flannagan, but this is also the first preseason game. We're excited about our D-line, but nobody said we're the greatest pass blocking team ourselves.

jdog
08-10-2006, 07:21 PM
Willie Roaf didn't play against you guys last year but you expect to all of a sudden get sacks by the dozen? If Larry Johnson were playing the whole game he would have another 200+ game.

I only expect a half dozen sacks regardless of your offensive line. Larry Johnson will have to run a lot because Trent Green will be curled up on the sideline crying. Oh yeah, Larry Johnson is soft too according to Dick "Teary Eyes" Vermeil; therefore, he might be on the sideline spooning Trent Green after he runs into the wall a few times.

thunderkyss
08-11-2006, 08:38 AM
Sort of like they drove us on our homefield during primetime? One of my Texans experiences I'd most like to forget.

Was this trash talk? ... if so, it doesn't seem effective IMO.

Well I thought it was appropriate, since he had just been telling us that we play like pee-wee league....ers... yet we were able to beat them.... once...... so they beat us once....... but the only way his talking makes any sense(to me) would be if we had never beat KC, which we have.

jerek
08-11-2006, 08:50 AM
Well I thought it was appropriate, since he had just been telling us that we play like pee-wee league....ers... yet we were able to beat them.... once...... so they beat us once....... but the only way his talking makes any sense(to me) would be if we had never beat KC, which we have.

Ah ... got ya now.

kmartin575
08-11-2006, 02:18 PM
Guys, Kyle Turley is not going to do as bad as you think. He has looked great in training camp and when he went up against Erasmus James in a scrimmage with Minnesota he owned him. Yes Turley is a little bit undersized, weighing in around 285. However, Denver Broncos left tackle Matt Lepsis is also around that same weight and has done just fine in this league.

Somebody talked about our backup left tackle not being good enough there so they switched him to right tackle. You might be talking about Will Svitek and that is not true. He is a monster and is most likely our future starting left tackle. He is strong as a bull and is very quick and able to keep up with just about any speed rusher. The only reason he isn't starting just yet is because he just went through a full season of NFL Europe and he was a defensive lineman in college at Stanford. The guy is going to be a great left tackle in this league.

infantrycak
08-11-2006, 02:34 PM
Guys, Kyle Turley is not going to do as bad as you think. He has looked great in training camp and when he went up against Erasmus James in a scrimmage with Minnesota he owned him. Yes Turley is a little bit undersized, weighing in around 285. However, Denver Broncos left tackle Matt Lepsis is also around that same weight and has done just fine in this league.

The last time Turley tried to play LT he got torched for 13.5 sacks on the season. That ain't good and it was before his back problems and weight loss.

Ryan
08-11-2006, 03:40 PM
i say at least 17 :)

TexanFanInCC
08-11-2006, 04:11 PM
remember folks, were facing a tough KC o-line....with or without willie roaf. ill go with 3. thats not too bad against a good o-line.

HJam72
08-12-2006, 10:28 AM
Well, lets see. If Mario gets a sack or hits a runner in the backfield on every defensive play :) then how many defensive plays will there be? :tease:

Brandon420tx
08-12-2006, 10:39 AM
Yes, I've thought about that too, our defense could be so great that there will be so many 3 and outs/ turnovers... our offense will ALWAYS be on the field:club: oh the injuries!.... but oh the points ...

michaelm
08-13-2006, 03:55 AM
I think I'm gonna go with five... ;)

HJam72
08-13-2006, 05:33 AM
I think I'm gonna go with five... ;)

Dang, you're good! :yahoo:

edo783
08-13-2006, 03:17 PM
Congrats to all who picked the high number of sacks.