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Battle Red Flash
08-08-2006, 03:25 PM
I hope the media is mistaken on this.
We draft Mario because, he's huge and fast. Quick off the ball.
Now, I hear we are going to play him on the inside? at DT?
If true, this is moronic. We take the best DE in college, and turn him into a tackle? Why? Because Weaver, Babin, and Peek need reps?
I hope this is just a bad rumor.

chuckm
08-08-2006, 03:27 PM
I hope the media is mistaken on this.
We draft Mario because, he's huge and fast. Quick off the ball.
Now, I hear we are going to play him on the inside? at DT?
If true, this is moronic. We take the best DE in college, and turn him into a tackle? Why? Because Weaver, Babin, and Peek need reps?
I hope this is just a bad rumor.


From what I heard, we'll move him around a good bit on passing downs.... both to get Peek and Babin on the field and to prevent the offense from doubling him too easily

tulexan
08-08-2006, 03:30 PM
Babin Weaver Williams Peek sounds like a pretty nasty DL on third downs

CloakNNNdagger
08-08-2006, 03:31 PM
From what I heard, we'll move him around a good bit on passing downs.... both to get Peek and Babin on the field and to prevent the offense from doubling him too easily

......and to create mismatches

chuckm
08-08-2006, 03:31 PM
......and to create mismatches


Zackly

texflex513
08-08-2006, 03:33 PM
I hope the media is mistaken on this.
We draft Mario because, he's huge and fast. Quick off the ball.
Now, I hear we are going to play him on the inside? at DT?
If true, this is moronic. We take the best DE in college, and turn him into a tackle? Why? Because Weaver, Babin, and Peek need reps?
I hope this is just a bad rumor.

I know its seems dom caperish, but rest assure the majority of his snaps will be at end

real
08-08-2006, 03:34 PM
I hope the media is mistaken on this.
We draft Mario because, he's huge and fast. Quick off the ball.
Now, I hear we are going to play him on the inside? at DT?
If true, this is moronic. We take the best DE in college, and turn him into a tackle? Why? Because Weaver, Babin, and Peek need reps?
I hope this is just a bad rumor.

Relax........:pigfly:

nunusguy
08-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Babin Weaver Williams Peek sounds like a pretty nasty DL on third downs
OK, but you're still takin Mario off the edge. And this guy is supposed to be a pass rusher supreme. Where do you play that kind of talent ?
On the edge of course, not inside. Oh I know Mario is considerd a good run
stopper, but that's not the reason we took him #1 overall.
I dunno, but if having both Peek and Babin on the field together and burying Mario on the middle is a trade-off you prefer over keeping just one of the them along with Mario on the outside, I dunno how I feel about that ?

ArlingtonTexan
08-08-2006, 03:46 PM
The Texans think that Mario Williams can play any position along the defensive line. There are quotes you can find from around draft time when the Texans were trying to say that Mario was as versitle(sp) on defense as Bush on offense.

Coach C.
08-08-2006, 03:52 PM
As already stated on nickel or obvious passing downs, Mario will move inside sometimes. Now if he has been killing the guy blocking him all day then he will stay outside, but Mario, Weaver, Peek, and Babin in on nickel and dime packages makes for one hell of a pass rush. Mario is also very versatile. He will be used the same way Ju. Pep is used in Carolina. His main responsiblity will be to get to the QB, but some downs he will be asked to hold the point, drop into coverage, or cover a RB/TE. He is that good and that fast.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
08-08-2006, 03:54 PM
The Texans think that Mario Williams can play any position along the defensive line. There are quotes you can find from around draft time when the Texans were trying to say that Mario was as versitle(sp) on defense as Bush on offense.

There have been soo many posts, but Kube cam right out and said from the beginning you will see him participating at all positions on the Dline. Nothing wrong with that.

Here is one thing I am sure you will see when you put Mario in the middle is a corner or a safety blitzing from the outside to push the QB or RB back to the middle to hesitate for 1 second and Mario will be there for the sack.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
08-08-2006, 03:56 PM
As already stated on nickel or obvious passing downs, Mario will move inside sometimes. Now if he has been killing the guy blocking him all day then he will stay outside, but Mario, Weaver, Peek, and Babin in on nickel and dime packages makes for one hell of a pass rush. Mario is also very versatile. He will be used the same way Ju. Pep is used in Carolina. His main responsiblity will be to get to the QB, but some downs he will be asked to hold the point, drop into coverage, or cover a RB/TE. He is that good and that fast.


not to mention of they work in some stunts Mario may start inside but his speed will allow him to pull around the DE and mess up blocking assignments leaving a possible hole in the middle for the LB to shoot. result SACK!!! FUMBLE!!! RETURNED FOR TD!!!

El Tejano
08-08-2006, 04:01 PM
When you think of the fact that Peek and Babin have been able to drop back to cover because of their previous experience in the 3-4, it makes perfect sense because then you never know who is rushing and who is dropping back.

infantrycak
08-08-2006, 04:03 PM
Mike Flannigan after the morning practice said on 610 am that Babin and Peek were putting out gigantic effort at TC--seemed impressed with both of them.

Double Barrel
08-08-2006, 04:07 PM
If you always line Williams up at the same spot, he'll get double/triple teamed and make him a non-factor. Moving him around keeps the enemy offense guessing, and as mentioned, creates mismatches that can and will be exploited by our defense.

Think of the confusion it creates when Mario is on the left this play, and on the right the next. Teams will have to focus so much on preparing their linemen to deal with him that it will allow the rest of our defenders to take advantage of the confusion. I like it.

Porky
08-08-2006, 04:08 PM
He will play a lot of tackle on passing downs. It's been discussed many times since draft day. I think moving him around is a good plan. A static target is always easier to shoot than a moving target. :shoot:

nunusguy
08-08-2006, 04:30 PM
If you always line Williams up at the same spot, he'll get double/triple teamed and make him a non-factor.
Gotta disagree with you on that one DB. If Williams could continually tie up 2,
certainly 3 blockers he'd be a huge positive factor for the Texans.

Double Barrel
08-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Gotta disagree with you on that one DB. If Williams could continually tie up 2,
certainly 3 blockers he'd be a huge positive factor for the Texans.

While this is true, it could also logjam and keep other defenders from getting to the ball.

But I thought the same thing you mentioned, that tying up three blockers with one defender would be a great thing. However, it depends on the specific type of play and where it's going, as well as if the rest of our defense can take advantage of the situation.

We had no pressure on the pocket in the past, and our run stopping ability was non-existent, so the jury is still out if they can exploit these potential double teams on MW.

thunderkyss
08-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Babin Weaver Williams Peek sounds like a pretty nasty DL on third downs

I hurt, just thinking about it....

thunderkyss
08-08-2006, 05:33 PM
not to mention of they work in some stunts Mario may start inside but his speed will allow him to pull around the DE and mess up blocking assignments leaving a possible hole in the middle for the LB to shoot. result SACK!!! FUMBLE!!! RETURNED FOR TD!!!


Good point, I hadn't thought of that... Kudos, and rep to you.

thunderkyss
08-08-2006, 05:39 PM
Gotta disagree with you on that one DB. If Williams could continually tie up 2,
certainly 3 blockers he'd be a huge positive factor for the Texans.

correct...... far as I knew, this is what we are hoping will happen....

Either teams will underextimate him early, and try to play him straight up, resulting in a lot of pressure, sacks, fumbles, and losses..... then as they move to try and contain him, the other three linemen(or a linebacker/safety) will come in and mop up the gravy.

Or, they will try to compensate for Mario early, and make things easier for our other guys.... remember, this is a team sport, and we aren't giving the other team very good options.

brewhaus
08-08-2006, 05:46 PM
I hope we all see Mario play like "a man possessed". That sort of thing tends to motivate others to do the same and share the spotlight.

Porky
08-08-2006, 05:51 PM
Gotta disagree with you on that one DB. If Williams could continually tie up 2,
certainly 3 blockers he'd be a huge positive factor for the Texans.

And I in turn will disagree with you. You don't take a guy number overall in the draft and pay him over 25 million in guaranteed money to tie up a couple of blockers. He has to be a playmaker, or it is a failed pick, and he is a failed player.

thunderkyss
08-08-2006, 05:53 PM
And I in turn will disagree with you. You don't take a guy number overall in the draft and pay him over 25 million in guaranteed money to tie up a couple of blockers. He has to be a playmaker, or it is a failed pick, and he is a failed player.


So are you expecting Reggie to be the #1 option on every play??

Mario will be a DE, he will play the majority of sacks as a DE..... we will play 3 pass rushing specialist on some occasions, with Mario on the inside...

this is what we are paying him for.

It's not like we're giving him $24 million to be a decoy on the sidelines, when it's 4th and inches.

Porky
08-08-2006, 05:56 PM
So are you expecting Reggie to be the #1 option on every play??

No, I said he better be a playmaker. Having trouble reading? :brickwall

thunderkyss
08-08-2006, 06:00 PM
No, I said he better be a playmaker. Having trouble reading? :brickwall

how's your reading?? He'll be a playmaker..... If he's tying up two blockers, or three, he will make the resulting sack(play) happen(maker)

TK_Gamer
08-08-2006, 06:06 PM
I agree, if a lineman stunts or overloads the pocket wich results in a sack, he is the real playmaker, not the LB that capitalizes

thunderkyss
08-08-2006, 06:10 PM
I agree, if a lineman stunts or overloads the pocket wich results in a sack, he is the real playmaker, not the LB that capitalizes


I wouldn't go that far..... may be worth half the sack......... they're both playmakers....

the guy sitting on the sideline for two 4th and inches during the most important game of his college career....... he is not the real deal....... he is an overpaid decoy.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
08-08-2006, 06:31 PM
And I in turn will disagree with you. You don't take a guy number overall in the draft and pay him over 25 million in guaranteed money to tie up a couple of blockers. He has to be a playmaker, or it is a failed pick, and he is a failed player.

Hey Cuz,

I was wondering about your Reggie Bush avatar... Isn't the draft over and he plays for the Saints now. (Pardon for the jab but...)

I am wondering about your comment in the quote.... so if the coaches misplay him, are you are saying he is a failed player?

The Texans put their money (and my season tickets contribution) on Mario Williams... I am thinking I might prefer to watch a game or two just to see what happens before I decide he is a failed pick/player if and or when THE COACHES decide to play Mario inside a couple of series. :twocents:

rockabilly
08-08-2006, 06:36 PM
moving him to the inside on some downs will also help keep the DE pass rush with fresh bodies.

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
08-08-2006, 06:40 PM
Man I wish TJ would live up to his potential. Our D-line would have just one more piece for other teams to content with.

TexansFanatic
08-08-2006, 07:59 PM
The best pass rushers throughout recent history have moved around to find soft spots in the offensive protection. You can't game plan against a guy that versatile---you never know for sure where he's going to be....

pittbull
08-08-2006, 08:04 PM
Babin is overrated. I know that he has not had the chance to make plays from the DE position, but I think his talent will be exposed this season. For ours, and his, I hiope that I'm wrong though!

Porky
08-08-2006, 08:05 PM
how's your reading?? He'll be a playmaker..... If he's tying up two blockers, or three, he will make the resulting sack(play) happen(maker)

So, by your definition Seth Payne is a playmaker? Come on. There is enough spin in here to wash my clothes. BTW - I will take extra starch. :redtowel:

Kaiser Toro
08-08-2006, 08:15 PM
What in the heck is going on in Houston today? Did everyone wake up and eat sour tarts on toast this morning?

In what major sports league has it ever been considered that having a player being able to play multiple positions is a bad thing? It friggin adds dimension to your playbook, it keeps the offense on their heels mentally, it is player development, it is keeping players fresh, it is aaaaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh!

Mario start sacking :mario:

jparrish
08-08-2006, 08:26 PM
Having Mario at DT could allow us to have an amazing "Axe" or "Twist" stunt on the D-line.

michaelm
08-08-2006, 09:07 PM
And I in turn will disagree with you. You don't take a guy number overall in the draft and pay him over 25 million in guaranteed money to tie up a couple of blockers. He has to be a playmaker, or it is a failed pick, and he is a failed player.


Dude, chill...
no one said that they drafted him number 1 overall just to take up blockers.
If he's a playmaker, he will demand extra attention, and that will benefit the defense.

OR


Hi Porky, I'm the wrong tree... thanks for barking up me!!!


edited to say:

p.s. if he demands the extra attention, he will demand it no matter where he lines up, but moving him around makes it... less predictable.

Porky
08-08-2006, 09:17 PM
Dude, chill...
no one said that they drafted him number 1 overall just to take up blockers.
If he's a playmaker, he will demand extra attention, and that will benifit the defense.

OR


Hi, Porky, I'm the wrong tree... thanks for barking up me!!!

I'm simply giving my opinion based on others posts. That's what we tend to do around here. I realize the Texans haven't said that, however, some posts were made that said Mario would be doing his job by simply tying up blockers. I disagree, or do I have to always agree with the herd mentality?

michaelm
08-08-2006, 09:19 PM
do I have to always agree with the herd mentality?


wouldn't dream of it...


mooo...

michaelm
08-08-2006, 09:23 PM
Sorry, i'm feeling a littlt surley tonight (ie... been drinking).

For argument's sake, name a better alternative to a line w/ Mario at DT on passing downs.

w/ him at DT..

Babin - Weaver - Mario - Peek ?
Babin - Kalu - Mario - Peek?

w/o

Peek - Weaver - Paine - Mario ?
Peek - Weaver - Kalu - Mario ?

I'm not sure...

we do have a lot of possible combinations on passing downs. That, in itself is a positive.

Texansbacker
08-08-2006, 09:28 PM
Mario Williams is an animal who will demand two blockers or he will blow the play up. Two blockers on one guy increases the other 10 teammates chances to make a play. Either way, the player commanding the double team makes us a better team defensively (provided you have other talented athletes). Heck, put him at noseguard looking down the quarterbacks throat!

Texansbacker
08-08-2006, 09:31 PM
Sorry, i'm feeling a littlt surley tonight (ie... been drinking).

For argument's sake, name a better alternative to a line w/ Mario at DT on passing downs.

w/ him at DT..

Babin - Weaver - Mario - Peek ?
Babin - Kalu - Mario - Peek?

w/o

Peek - Weaver - Paine - Mario ?
Peek - Weaver - Kalu - Mario ?

I'm not sure...

we do have a lot of possible combinations on passing downs. That, in itself is a positive.

Don't forget big Robaire! Alfred Malone too, and hopefully Travis Johnson.

Runner
08-08-2006, 09:34 PM
For argument's sake, name a better alternative to a line w/ Mario at DT on passing downs.


Personally, I don't fully understand why we don't use Mario predominantly on the weakside like many teams do with their best DE. :shrug:

However, I do understand that I don't know the game like our coaches do.

michaelm
08-08-2006, 09:43 PM
Personally, I don't fully understand why we don't use Mario predominantly on the weakside like many teams do with their best DE. :shrug:

However, I do understand that I don't know the game like our coaches do.

It occurred to me after I submitted that last post that I may have listed them backwards... I know that I didn't include a full list of potential lines, however.
This will easliy be our position of strength this year.
I am fully expecting us to be one of the top defenses aginst the run this year.
If DeMeco starts, and develops as most of us expect in the middle, it's not outrageous to think we could have the best run defense in the conference IMO.

bayoudreamn
08-08-2006, 11:24 PM
Personally, I don't fully understand why we don't use Mario predominantly on the weakside like many teams do with their best DE. :shrug:

However, I do understand that I don't know the game like our coaches do.

I would think that when you put a dominate player on the strong side it disrupts the way an offense works. The other team would have to make some big adjustments....and hopefully run the offense in a way they aren't used to running it....aka...do something uncomfortable.

wicked_wayz
08-09-2006, 01:39 AM
OK, but you're still takin Mario off the edge. And this guy is supposed to be a pass rusher supreme. Where do you play that kind of talent ?
On the edge of course, not inside. Oh I know Mario is considerd a good run
stopper, but that's not the reason we took him #1 overall.
I dunno, but if having both Peek and Babin on the field together and burying Mario on the middle is a trade-off you prefer over keeping just one of the them along with Mario on the outside, I dunno how I feel about that ?

he will only go inside on long passing downs situations its not lyk hes going to play DT for every play....relax

texan279
08-09-2006, 01:48 AM
So Weaver and Mario at DT on passing situations with Peek and Babin on the ends? Seems like one quick defensive line to me. :drool: