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BigSaint8050
05-11-2006, 12:56 PM
Saints dangling veteran back BennettBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Less than two months after signing with the New Orleans Saints as the presumptive caddy to Deuce McAllister, veteran tailback Michael Bennett could find his career on a different course for 2006.

Saints officials have spoken to representatives from at least two other teams, ESPN.com has confirmed, about trading Bennett, who was bumped down a notch on the depth chart when New Orleans chose Reggie Bush with the second overall pick in last month's draft. The most in-depth discussions have been with the Houston Texans, and there has also been dialogue with the Miami Dolphins in recent days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2441237

Any insight to who the player was that was offered and rebuffed?

jerek
05-11-2006, 12:57 PM
Sign me up, for the right deal. Injury plagued but still, IMO, has potential to be a very serviceable back.

ThaShark316
05-11-2006, 12:59 PM
Hey Saints, give us that other fast RB you have. :redtowel:

texanfan2100
05-11-2006, 01:01 PM
Any insight to who the player was that was offered and rebuffed?

Probably Buchannon. :sarcasm:

Seriously, there's one problem in making a trade with the Saints. We have no one to conduct the trade. Our GM got fired - oops, I mean resigned yesterday. I don't know how they'd conduct a trade minus a GM.

BigSaint8050
05-11-2006, 01:02 PM
Probably Buchannon. :sarcasm:

Seriously, there's one problem in making a trade with the Saints. We have no one to conduct the trade. Our GM got fired - oops, I mean resigned yesterday. I don't know how they'd conduct a trade minus a GM.

LOL...

No faith that the owner and the head coach are making the calls?

Porky
05-11-2006, 01:05 PM
Probably Buchannon. :sarcasm:

Seriously, there's one problem in making a trade with the Saints. We have no one to conduct the trade. Our GM got fired - oops, I mean resigned yesterday. I don't know how they'd conduct a trade minus a GM.

CC is still on the job. He won't be leaving until June 1st. Which is a scary thought when thinking about the last trade he made. Hey Charley, why not give up a 2nd a 3rd for him. :tease:

If healthy, Bennett is a good back. I think he had about 1600 combined yards in his best yr, but he is very injury prone. If we can get him on the cheap, go for it. Otherwise, I think I would pass. He isn't "special" enough to spend a first day pick on, especially given his injury problems. Wonder if they would consider trading Reggie Bush for Mario Williams instead? :drool:

Double Barrel
05-11-2006, 01:08 PM
I agree with Porky. I hope the FO doesn't trade off too much of our future for this dude. He's got some upside, but not enough to warrent what the Saints are probably asking.

Trapped
05-11-2006, 01:13 PM
i would bring him in for our next years 6th round pick. The saints will prolly give him up for that too. With their 100 milion dollar backfeild, the fans will get mad if he steps on the feild. He is useless for them.

While for us, he can be our potential tatum bell. Neither Morency or Davis have that homerun speed. Ill bring him in for a 6th, maybe, maybe a 5th.

SAMURAITEXAN
05-11-2006, 01:16 PM
Yeah! DO NOT GIVE SAINTS TOO MUCH. JUST A LITTLE A LITTLE A LITTLE would be fine.

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 01:24 PM
Since we will have cap issues next year I do not see a problem parting with a late pick or Bruenner. Payton will want to run some smash mouth football if he emulates his boss.

Ibar_Harry
05-11-2006, 01:31 PM
How many backs do we need? I could understand perhaps if we were looking for a safety or a CB, but a running back? Do we have that big a problem at RB? I'm not certain I see the logic in this at this point.

SAMURAITEXAN
05-11-2006, 01:36 PM
How many backs do we need? I could understand perhaps if we were looking for a safety or a CB, but a running back? Do we have that big a problem at RB? I'm not certain I see the logic in this at this point.
Yes but, recent FO's movement tells me something about DD's status? I just hope, we are interested just to upgrade our RB position.

Porky
05-11-2006, 01:41 PM
How many backs do we need? I could understand perhaps if we were looking for a safety or a CB, but a running back? Do we have that big a problem at RB? I'm not certain I see the logic in this at this point.

Maybe you missed the part where DD gets injured every year, and it's bound to happen at some point again. In fact, IF, and this is a big IF, Bennett can stay healthy, he is flat out better than DD, and would likely be the starter. He has homerun speed, something DD lacks, and it would give us a breakaway threat in the backfield, something we have never had, and Bush was going to give us. It would bring our offense a totally new dimension. Bennett had 3 games in a row where he broke off runs of 60 yards plus. How many times has DD done that? Bennett was on his way to being an elite back, has made the pro-bowl as a running back, and is an upgrade over DD. I forget. How many times exactly has DD made the pro-bowl? But...he has been bitten by the injury bug, so we are getting a bit of an unknown. If they want a draft pick, I would not go higher than a 5th due to the uncertainty, but his talent is unquestioned if healthy. :crutch:

chuckm
05-11-2006, 01:42 PM
Assuming his legs are still sound he's the home run hitter we're lacking ....

dalemurphy
05-11-2006, 01:44 PM
How many backs do we need? I could understand perhaps if we were looking for a safety or a CB, but a running back? Do we have that big a problem at RB? I'm not certain I see the logic in this at this point.


As many talented players as possible competing for 4 spots on the roster.

MikeMc
05-11-2006, 01:46 PM
Well, I would not rely on the Undrafted FA the Texans signed. They are a few years away. If they got Bennett, the depth chart would be DD, Bennett, Smith, Morency and Lundy. I could see Kubiak using these RBs much like he did last yr. They will serve as RB specialists, but not compromise the play calling (tipping off what type of play is called).

TwinSisters
05-11-2006, 01:51 PM
I don't know how they'd conduct a trade minus a GM.

Sherman was the GM for Green Bay or had GM duties in Green Bay, before they got a GM and kicked him out.

Not to much of a surprise, because Holmgren had the same problem ( but won the politik in Seattle )

titan hater
05-11-2006, 01:54 PM
Saints have to do something to sign Bush...They are looking to unload salary...

Hulk75
05-11-2006, 01:55 PM
Speeeeeeeeeeeed, thats Michael Bennet.

Errant Hothy
05-11-2006, 01:57 PM
Saints have to do something to sign Bush...They are looking to unload salary...

Which is why we shouldn't sign him...I need something/a story to follow till trainig camp; and the Saint's trying to sign Bush looks like the best so far.

BigSaint8050
05-11-2006, 02:02 PM
Saints have to do something to sign Bush...They are looking to unload salary...

The Saints are 15 million dollars unde the cap. Bennett signed a two year deal worth 3 million with a 1 million dollar signing bonus.

They don't need to unload him for anything other than the fact that he will now recieve limited playing time with the drafting of Bush.

TwinSisters
05-11-2006, 02:04 PM
The Saints are 15 million dollars unde the cap. Bennett signed a two year deal worth 3 million with a 1 million dollar signing bonus.

They don't need to unload him for anything other than the fact that he will now recieve limited playing time with the drafting of Bush.

Is that 15 million under ... before or after signing Bush?

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 02:05 PM
Michael Bennett is better than Antowain Smith and was really good up until he got hurt. He had a great year in 2002 and last year he finished off the year pretty good. I would love to see us get him, and that probably means signing Antowain Smith was for nothing. We could probably trade them a 6th at the highest considering we got Eric Moulds for a 5th.

whiskeyrbl
05-11-2006, 02:13 PM
If we do end up trading and getting Bennett Who is the odd man out?
I'm sure it won't be DD, so Moreancy,Lundy,or Smith? No I didn't forget anyone these are just the one's I think would actually make the team.:twocents:

titan hater
05-11-2006, 02:15 PM
The Saints are 15 million dollars unde the cap. Bennett signed a two year deal worth 3 million with a 1 million dollar signing bonus.

They don't need to unload him for anything other than the fact that he will now recieve limited playing time with the drafting of Bush.

Two Words...Tom Benson...

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 02:18 PM
If we do end up trading and getting Bennett Who is the odd man out?
I'm sure it won't be DD, so Moreancy,Lundy,or Smith? No I didn't forget anyone these are just the one's I think would actually make the team.:twocents:

If it's anyone it will probably be Smith because the two young RBs Morency and Lundy have a lot more upside than Smith who is on the downside of his career and 34 years old. They won't need Smith if we get Bennett considering he is 34 years old and I am guessing they would cut Smith so we could develop our young players.

BigSaint8050
05-11-2006, 02:23 PM
Is that 15 million under ... before or after signing Bush?

Thats before, but it doesn't matter much. We have a rookie pool of 5.2 million, meaning that of that 15 million (worst case senario) we will still be 9.8 million under the cap. Not to mention that under the CBA the salary cap will increase over the next several seasons, making cap hell less and less a factor.

Anyway, like I said, money is not an issue here at all. The Saints do not have to trade him, though it might be the best thing for both Bennett and the Saints. Worst case senario the Saints go into the season with 3 1st round draft picks lining up in the backfield (Deuce 200 1st 23rd overall, Bennett 200 1st 27th overall and Bush 2006 1st 2nd overall).

I do however think a trade happens. A player for player trade seems likely with the recent dealings we have had (Wayne Gandy for Bryan Scott, Courtney Watson for Eddie Moore, moving down in the 2nd for Jeff Faine and moving down in the 4th for Hollis Thomas). This staff seems to like to parlay players for players, though a draft pick wouldn't be out of the question.

I do know the Saints are thin at LBer and CB. Rumor on saintsreport.com is the player that was dangled by the Texans and refused by the Saints was Antwan Peek. The poster is a very reliable and well known member (member since 2000) of the site, so its not some noob that just registered.

nunusguy
05-11-2006, 02:25 PM
If this guys got real spped, that would be a much needed commodity for a Texan RB to have. But IMO, we shouldn't just trade a valuable draft pick for
a guy who's only virtue is speed, He needs more than that to play in the NFL.
But their are burners just waiting to be discovered, which calls for a scouting department with a good eye. Maybe the fastest RB we played against last year, Willie Parker with the Steelers, was picked up as an undrafted FA rookie.

Porky
05-11-2006, 02:27 PM
If it's anyone it will probably be Smith because the two young RBs Morency and Lundy have a lot more upside than Smith who is on the downside of his career and 34 years old. They won't need Smith if we get Bennett considering he is 34 years old and I am guessing they would cut Smith so we could develop our young players.

My first thought was the same....but....Smith bring things to the table the others lack, and that's a bigger back who can give you that heavy runner you are looking for in short yardage situations. Sometimes it's not always the flat out best players who make the roster, but the ones who can bring a certain something, a niche if you will, that nobody else can fill. My guess is Lundy goes to the practice squad if they sign Bennett, and Smith makes it as the last back. Just a guess though.

BigSaint8050
05-11-2006, 02:31 PM
Two Words...Tom Benson...

I can see prior to this season why you would say that, but this season is speaking volumes for Benson....

Signed the best FA QB out there in Drew Brees
Signed two veteran LBers in Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons to compete for starting spots
Made some very good depth moves bringing in guys like Michael Bennett, Mark Campbell, Omar Stoutmire, Chris Horn, Jonathan Goodwin and bringin back guys like James Allen, Cedric Woodard, Willie Whitehead, Michael Lewis
Then made the move of all, didn't trade back in fears he would have to put out too much money (just one year after signing Deuce to a 54 million dollar contract) and told the GM to stay put and take Bush.

You can say what you want to, but the moves made this year don't sound anything like moves in past years.

Trapped
05-11-2006, 03:18 PM
if we get Bennet, Lundy will be on practice squad. DD, Bennet, and Morency in the backfield. Smith will get cut.

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 03:29 PM
My first thought was the same....but....Smith bring things to the table the others lack, and that's a bigger back who can give you that heavy runner you are looking for in short yardage situations. Sometimes it's not always the flat out best players who make the roster, but the ones who can bring a certain something, a niche if you will, that nobody else can fill. My guess is Lundy goes to the practice squad if they sign Bennett, and Smith makes it as the last back. Just a guess though.

Wali Lundy is that kind of back, he just needs some improvement.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/415672
Despite his size and natural strength, Lundy does not consistently run aggressively and gain yards after contact like a big back should. He is never going to be an explosive ball carrier who can shoot through the hole and run away from the defense, but his visions/instincts, smartness following his blockers and quick feet enable him to find the hole consistently and he gets through it quickly. If he learns to run more aggressively on every snap, consistently lowers a shoulder to deliver a blow to the tackler and picks his feet up better in traffic, he can be a good starting big back in the NFL who can handle carrying a power offense on his back. The most intriguing aspect of his play is his ability to stop and start quickly to make tacklers miss well out in space. However, he is never going to be more than a dependable, solid receiver out of the backfield. He will be a backup for a season or two, but will eventually be a good starting power back -- he reminds you a lot of Stephen Davis and Mike Anderson when they came out of college.

Lundy is a big, strong running back with the playing strength to keep his feet vs. hard hits, break tackles and gain yards after contact when he runs aggressively.

Basically, Lundy sounds like a RB who has the size and strenght but does not use those characteristics as good as he can and he still can improve...like a 6th round RB should be. I like the way he compares him to Stephen Davis as he is a big, bruising back.

the wonger need food
05-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Todd Wade for Michael Bennett... we'll take it.

Texan in Japan
05-11-2006, 04:02 PM
Todd Wade for Michael Bennett... we'll take it.

u read my mind

MikeMc
05-11-2006, 04:14 PM
Smith is also durable and can carry the load if Davis goes down. The others are "for the future" RBs. Bennett is that change of pace guy. He has injury concerns (as does DD). So choosing 4 out of those 5 will be a nice problem to have! Morency or Lundy could be the odd man out...anything is possible.....remember Charles Hill???? My point exactly!

3960AD
05-11-2006, 04:19 PM
I could see us going into next season the way Denver Broncos has over the past decade. With at least 3 able backs being able to rush for several hundred each. If we pick up Bennett and he gets healthy, we'll have a solid 3 for sure. What I'm wondering is how many Kubiak is willing to take. The only one eligible for practice squad would be Morcency, and I doubt that would happen..

kiwitexansfan
05-11-2006, 04:43 PM
Michael Bennett is better than Antowain Smith and was really good up until he got hurt. He had a great year in 2002 and last year he finished off the year pretty good. I would love to see us get him, and that probably means signing Antowain Smith was for nothing. We could probably trade them a 6th at the highest considering we got Eric Moulds for a 5th.

Bennet was great in 2002 and has done very little since. He is a injury waiting to happen. I suspect the Smith signing may have killed this trade as much as anything.

As for the Wade for Bennet trade idea. Wade is as good as retired with his knee injury. I remember reading that somewhere.

GP
05-11-2006, 05:02 PM
1. DD
2. Morency
3. Lundy

Practice squad:

Bennett
Smith (if he doesn't get cut)

To me, I'd rather have Bennett. Would make a great replacement if one of our three goes down with injury.

TheRealJoker
05-11-2006, 05:04 PM
I dont think Smith or Bennett are eligible for practice squad.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
05-11-2006, 05:07 PM
The Saints are 15 million dollars unde the cap. Bennett signed a two year deal worth 3 million with a 1 million dollar signing bonus.

They don't need to unload him for anything other than the fact that he will now recieve limited playing time with the drafting of Bush.


You guys should probably keep him, because with a PT Running back trying to take on a full load, he will definitley get hurt.

mexican_texan
05-11-2006, 05:07 PM
Todd Wade for Michael Bennett... we'll take it.
If New Orleans thinks they know disaster, they have not met...Todd Wade.

Meloy
05-11-2006, 05:12 PM
Saints have to do something to sign Bush...They are looking to unload salary... I do not follow the Saints, but what about a combo trade? Bennett plus another player ( we need & they could give up) for higher picks or picks and a player we don't need?

Texian
05-11-2006, 05:13 PM
If the Texans are wheeling and dealing for another RB they should go after TJ Duckett who is on the block after the Falcons drafted J Norwood. I am not a Bennett fan.

titan hater
05-11-2006, 05:32 PM
I can see prior to this season why you would say that, but this season is speaking volumes for Benson....

Signed the best FA QB out there in Drew Brees
Signed two veteran LBers in Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons to compete for starting spots
Made some very good depth moves bringing in guys like Michael Bennett, Mark Campbell, Omar Stoutmire, Chris Horn, Jonathan Goodwin and bringin back guys like James Allen, Cedric Woodard, Willie Whitehead, Michael Lewis
Then made the move of all, didn't trade back in fears he would have to put out too much money (just one year after signing Deuce to a 54 million dollar contract) and told the GM to stay put and take Bush.

You can say what you want to, but the moves made this year don't sound anything like moves in past years.

Benson is not mush different then Bud Adams (Rich Jerks). Back in the day Bud negotiated with Jacksonville to get a better deal from the Astrodome officials. Did not Benson do the same with San Antonio? I would not put much faith in Benson. If he gets a chance to get out of LA...he will!!!

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 05:34 PM
If the Texans are wheeling and dealing for another RB they should go after TJ Duckett who is on the block after the Falcons drafted J Norwood. I am not a Bennett fan.

I'd be very, very happy if we traded for Duckett because he is not an injury like Bennett and was successful with Warrick Dunn.

tiger06
05-11-2006, 05:35 PM
I'd like to bring Bennett in for a reasonable price... no high round draft picks. He'd give us that homerun speed we need. His injuries concern me, however.

BigSaint8050
05-11-2006, 05:43 PM
You guys should probably keep him, because with a PT Running back trying to take on a full load, he will definitley get hurt.

I love it when other fans are so informed.... Have you ever heard of a guy named Deuce McAllister?

hot pickle
05-11-2006, 05:44 PM
yall think maybe morency will be involved in the trade


i like morency and i wouldnt like to see him go

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 05:50 PM
yall think maybe morency will be involved in the trade


i like morency and i wouldnt like to see him go

I think at the most we should only give them a 5th for Bennett, and Morency was a third, so I would be mad if he left, but I only see it being a draft pick. I think they are trading Bennett because they don't need another RB with Reggie and Duece, so I don't think they'd want Morency in return.

TheOgre
05-11-2006, 05:55 PM
Hey Saints, give us that other fast RB you have. :redtowel:

Deuce McAllister?

playerhater
05-11-2006, 06:12 PM
Hey Saints, give us that other fast RB you have. :redtowel:

hell yeah, for Mario Williams and DD

texansfaninla
05-11-2006, 07:01 PM
Well, this makes a whole lot of sense. Texans pass on speedy RB because they have plenty, and don't need a gamebreaker on offense. Hence they pass on Bush. "It's a football decision." Texans then take Mario Williams No. 1 overall, who likely would have fallen to fourth in the draft (according to profootballtalk.com) if they had sought trades and hadn't been falling over themselves to sign someone - anyone - to a contract before the draft. (It also explains again why Mario was so eager to deal - he came out way better than he ever imagined.)

Now, two weeks later, they're looking for a speedy RB who can be a gamebreaker on offense...via a trade??? With the Saints??? Great job. Brilliant way to piss away the top prospect who also happens to be a speedy gamebreaker RB. :brickwall Someone remind me again why they didn't take Bush. And don't give me this "Mario is a beast" b.s., because the guy wasn't all that at NC State. What was he voted, fourth in the conference for defensive player of the year? Sacks in 16 of 36 games, including 0-for-3 against I-AA comp? A nice combine is no substitute for gameday performance. :still fuming:

I wonder when management is going to seek a trade for a more athletic quarterback with better running skills than Carr has. :sarcasm:

Dolby
05-11-2006, 07:02 PM
Come on guys.... we do not need him ... don't forget about our 6th rounder Wali Lundy RB | (5'11", 214, 4.55) | VIRGINIA. We can count on his 500 yards a season. Thats about what Bennet is worth to us.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/images/smilies/sarcasm.gif

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 07:12 PM
If healthy, Bennett is a good back. I think he had about 1600 combined yards in his best yr, but he is very injury prone. If we can get him on the cheap, go for it. Otherwise, I think I would pass. He isn't "special" enough to spend a first day pick on, especially given his injury problems.

30 minutes later....he is so 'special' that....


Maybe you missed the part where DD gets injured every year, and it's bound to happen at some point again. In fact, IF, and this is a big IF, Bennett can stay healthy, he is flat out better than DD, and would likely be the starter. He has homerun speed, something DD lacks, and it would give us a breakaway threat in the backfield, something we have never had, and Bush was going to give us. It would bring our offense a totally new dimension. Bennett had 3 games in a row where he broke off runs of 60 yards plus. How many times has DD done that? Bennett was on his way to being an elite back, has made the pro-bowl as a running back, and is an upgrade over DD. I forget. How many times exactly has DD made the pro-bowl? But...he has been bitten by the injury bug, so we are getting a bit of an unknown. If they want a draft pick, I would not go higher than a 5th due to the uncertainty, but his talent is unquestioned if healthy. :crutch:

hmmmm...

Bennett - 713 att. 3174 yards; 126 rec. 1040 yards
Davis - 770 att. 3195 yards; 154 rec. 1276 yards

oh and did i mention that davis has played 3 years to bennett's 5??

and that the Vikings didn't bother trying to even resign him for the measily 3 million dollar 2 year contract he signed because they had more belief with a RB corps of Ciatrick Fason, Mewelde Moore, and Chester Taylor?

i wouldn't mind having Bennett, but mostly because of his speed and change of pace. because trying to say he is better than Davis because he broke a 60+ yard run in 3 cons. games and went to one pro bowl makes no sense. so now Bennett is better than Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander and LaDainian Tomlinson because he broke off a 60 yard run in 3 games, and also anyone who goes to one pro bowl is now better than than anyone who hasn't. Wow, we ought to get rid of Mathis while the stock is so high huh? this is pretty much just bitterness being taken out on DD because we didn't draft Bush. get over it because statements as ill-informed as Bennett is 'flat out better' than Davis is just ignorant and ridiculous for anyone who has followed any portion of the NFL for the past 5 years. i mean those stats alone speak for themselves.....you blast DD for his odds of being healthy a full season and then go on to say a guy that has played 2 more years yet played even less downs is better....

take the Bush love/Williams hate out on Kubiak and the FO....not on Davis.

but regardless i'd love Bennett for what i said....change of pace RB....too bad we hadn't already traded Morency because i don't see him getting a lot of touches next year if everything goes the way it should.

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 07:16 PM
Porky, you got some splaining to dooooo

Dolby
05-11-2006, 07:20 PM
Bennett - 713 att. 3174 yards; 126 rec. 1040 yards
oh and did i mention that davis has played 3 years to bennett's 5??


I guess my 500 yards per year comment should have been 630. Sorry... In all seriousness, we have plenty of backs. If we find we need another after things get rolling, it should not be that hard to come across one.

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 07:24 PM
If we do get Bennett I would be suprised if we don't just cut Antowain Smith. Morency will be on the team next year, I will garentee that. If we are still talking about trying to get Bennett that could mean that we are not happy with just getting Smith. I don't see Bennett and Smith being on the same roster this year.

SESupergenius
05-11-2006, 07:25 PM
I am kinda worried about this because this is sending me a red flag that DD is not progressing like he should with his injury. I like Morency but if there is a RB problem and we passed on Bush, someone is going to take a lot of heat.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 07:29 PM
If we do get Bennett I would be suprised if we don't just cut Antowain Smith. Morency will be on the team next year, I will garentee that. If we are still talking about trying to get Bennett that could mean that we are not happy with just getting Smith. I don't see Bennett and Smith being on the same roster this year.

Why? they are completely different backs....usually if one RB comes in and takes a spot...its going to be the spot of a RB with at least a similar style? Smith was signed for dirt cheap too....and did pretty damn good last year....actually better than Bennett.

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 07:31 PM
I am kinda worried about this because this is sending me a red flag that DD is not progressing like he should with his injury. I like Morency but if there is a RB problem and we passed on Bush, someone is going to take a lot of heat.

And that would be Kubiak?

nunusguy
05-11-2006, 07:42 PM
"RUNNING BACKS
In terms of pure speed, Wisconsin's Michael Bennett (4.31), Stephen F. Austin's Derrick Blaylock (4.33) and Ohio State's Derek Combs (4.37) all came in with 40 times of under 4.40.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0307/1136944.html
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Check it out, this guy had a faster 40 time than Reggie. And we don't even have to use our #1 overall to get him. Fifth or sixth round pick should do it ?

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 07:45 PM
Why? they are completely different backs....usually if one RB comes in and takes a spot...its going to be the spot of a RB with at least a similar style? Smith was signed for dirt cheap too....and did pretty damn good last year....actually better than Bennett.

I just don't think we need 3 RBs of this caliber, but good point. I have to agree with you though :thumbup

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 07:46 PM
"RUNNING BACKS
In terms of pure speed, Wisconsin's Michael Bennett (4.31), Stephen F. Austin's Derrick Blaylock (4.33) and Ohio State's Derek Combs (4.37) all came in with 40 times of under 4.40.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0307/1136944.html
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Check it out, this guy had a faster 40 time than Reggie. And we don't even have to use our #1 overall to get him. Fifth or sixth round pick should do it ?

Nice catch. Pre-injury, but nice catch nonetheless.

texansfaninla
05-11-2006, 07:53 PM
A forty time doesn't make a better RB. No way would I lump Bennett's college career anywhere near Bush's.

I agree - if DD has some undisclosed rehab problem, then the Texans FO is even dumber than they proved on draft day. But who pays the price? Not McNair - he's the owner. Not Kubiak - he's the newbie. Not Casserly - he's already been shown the door. I'll tell you who pays the price - the fans. :shots:

kcwilson
05-11-2006, 08:11 PM
Well, this makes a whole lot of sense. Texans pass on speedy RB because they have plenty, and don't need a gamebreaker on offense. Hence they pass on Bush. "It's a football decision." Texans then take Mario Williams No. 1 overall, who likely would have fallen to fourth in the draft (according to profootballtalk.com) if they had sought trades and hadn't been falling over themselves to sign someone - anyone - to a contract before the draft. (It also explains again why Mario was so eager to deal - he came out way better than he ever imagined.)

Now, two weeks later, they're looking for a speedy RB who can be a gamebreaker on offense...via a trade??? With the Saints??? Great job. Brilliant way to piss away the top prospect who also happens to be a speedy gamebreaker RB. :brickwall Someone remind me again why they didn't take Bush. And don't give me this "Mario is a beast" b.s., because the guy wasn't all that at NC State. What was he voted, fourth in the conference for defensive player of the year? Sacks in 16 of 36 games, including 0-for-3 against I-AA comp? A nice combine is no substitute for gameday performance. :still fuming:

I wonder when management is going to seek a trade for a more athletic quarterback with better running skills than Carr has. :sarcasm:

While it is obvious that the Texans passed on Bush, I don't think it is right to characaterize the passing on Bush as a blessing of sufficient team speed on offense. The DLine was pretty miserable last year and no proven end rushers existed on the rotser. I doubt that mentality of saying that Running Back speed is sufficient was used as an excuse to not take Bush.

I think going after Bennett makes some sense now in that you can potentially shoulder workload off of DD with Bennett. Morency and Lundy are very unproven at the pro level. Antowain Smith can go fly a kite as far as I am concerned - he is a mediocre run talent that provides a different dimension of running, but I think between DD and Bennett that we have a good deal of variety and versatility. If we sign Bennett, I bet Smith doesn't make the team.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 08:13 PM
well....as the fans pay the price so will the owner. but i think people are looking at this the wrong way....i think it says more about the commitment we have to morency than it does Davis rehab. a player that holds the importance level to our team that Davis does, and right after we passed on RB....you can bet if there was the slightest hint that DD wasn't ready to play it would be all over the place....yet so far not a peep. one other reason i highly doubt Smith being cut is because it isn't like the Texans didn't know that Bennett might be expendable to the Saints as soon as they drafted Reggie. they knew that and still signed Smith (for a ridiculously good price for someone who just posted almost 700 yards rushing last year).

But your right TexanFan881....some RB has to go somewhere. Cause we won't be carrying 5 RB's....if Bennett comes in....i think you can bet on Morency going somewhere quickly afterwards.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 08:21 PM
I'm pretty sure TexansfaninLA should really be called more accurately BushFanInLAWhoWasSureTheTexansWereDraftingBushSoIS ignedUpForTheForum.

by making up false reasons we didn't sign RB like Texans pass on speedy RB because they have plenty, and don't need a gamebreaker on offense. it makes it easy to see they are plenty much completely blind to what is going on around here. Reggie is great....our team is going to benefit much more from someone worth a damn on D than potentially 300-500 more rushing yards a year and the completely overrused phrase 'a threat to score every time the ball touches his hands'. we have to stop people from getting points before we can outscore them....ya know...the point of the game....to stop an opponent first....then score....thus winning.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2006, 08:28 PM
:fireball: If you can get Bennett cheap , it shows you can get a speedy RB for a good price .

What did John Abraham cost this offseason ?

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 08:28 PM
:fireball: If you can get Bennett cheap , it shows you can get a speedy RB for a good price .

What did John Abraham cost this offseason ?

:mario: Excellent use of the fire ball Earl. :mario:

ThaShark316
05-11-2006, 08:54 PM
update...


Saints | Team talking to Houston about M. Bennett
Thu, 11 May 2006 17:14:34 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New Orleans Saints have spoken to the Houston Texans, in addition to the previously reported Miami Dolphins, about possibly acquiring Saints RB Michael Bennett. Houston earlier his week signed RB Antowain Smith to bolster the depth chart behind starting RB Domanick Davis, but the nine-year veteran is 34 years old and the Texans may still be seeking to upgrade at tailback. The Texans are believed to have offered a player in exchange for Bennett, and were rebuffed, but talks are expected to continue. Negotiations with the Texans are much further along than the discussions with the Dolphins.

Hmmm...for a player, huh? :yahoo:

Porky
05-11-2006, 09:25 PM
30 minutes later....he is so 'special' that....




hmmmm...

Bennett - 713 att. 3174 yards; 126 rec. 1040 yards
Davis - 770 att. 3195 yards; 154 rec. 1276 yards

oh and did i mention that davis has played 3 years to bennett's 5??

and that the Vikings didn't bother trying to even resign him for the measily 3 million dollar 2 year contract he signed because they had more belief with a RB corps of Ciatrick Fason, Mewelde Moore, and Chester Taylor?

i wouldn't mind having Bennett, but mostly because of his speed and change of pace. because trying to say he is better than Davis because he broke a 60+ yard run in 3 cons. games and went to one pro bowl makes no sense. so now Bennett is better than Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander and LaDainian Tomlinson because he broke off a 60 yard run in 3 games, and also anyone who goes to one pro bowl is now better than than anyone who hasn't. Wow, we ought to get rid of Mathis while the stock is so high huh? this is pretty much just bitterness being taken out on DD because we didn't draft Bush. get over it because statements as ill-informed as Bennett is 'flat out better' than Davis is just ignorant and ridiculous for anyone who has followed any portion of the NFL for the past 5 years. i mean those stats alone speak for themselves.....you blast DD for his odds of being healthy a full season and then go on to say a guy that has played 2 more years yet played even less downs is better....

take the Bush love/Williams hate out on Kubiak and the FO....not on Davis.

but regardless i'd love Bennett for what i said....change of pace RB....too bad we hadn't already traded Morency because i don't see him getting a lot of touches next year if everything goes the way it should.


Nice try at putting words in my mouth, and taking two different thoughts that are not contridictory, but trying to make it seem so. First off, tell me where I said he was better than Shawn Alexander or Edge? Can you find that because I would sure like to see it. Secondly, I said he isn't special enough to trade for a first day pick for two reasons - His injury history, and the market for RB's just seem to be depressed right now. It's not because of a lack of talent. It's a matter of any supply and demand commodity. That in no way means he isn't better than DD if both are completely healthy. That's why he was a first rd draft choice to DD's 4th - because football experts thought coming into the league one was much better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which. To dispute that Bennett isn't better when healthy just shows your lack of football knowledge and DD homerism. While your point about injury history isn't totally invalid, my point was in comparison IF both are healthy. Chances are at some point both will be nicked up - making my point of needing two good backs more legit, not less. Let me ask you a question. Do you think Kubiak knows more about football than either one of us? If so, and I am wrong, then why is he pursuing a trade to bring him here????

Checkmate :slap:

the wonger need food
05-11-2006, 09:30 PM
Interesting. I think they're looking for defense. Maybe we offered them Buchanon... or Greenwood.

Either way, what an offseason. So much for Casserly's company line of "we're not going to be players in the free agent market because we're not one player away".

thunderkyss
05-11-2006, 09:46 PM
Well, this makes a whole lot of sense. Texans pass on speedy RB because they have plenty, and don't need a gamebreaker on offense. Hence they pass on Bush. "It's a football decision." Texans then take Mario Williams No. 1 overall, who likely would have fallen to fourth in the draft (according to profootballtalk.com) if they had sought trades and hadn't been falling over themselves to sign someone - anyone - to a contract before the draft. (It also explains again why Mario was so eager to deal - he came out way better than he ever imagined.)

Now, two weeks later, they're looking for a speedy RB who can be a gamebreaker on offense...via a trade??? With the Saints??? Great job. Brilliant way to piss away the top prospect who also happens to be a speedy gamebreaker RB. :brickwall Someone remind me again why they didn't take Bush. And don't give me this "Mario is a beast" b.s., because the guy wasn't all that at NC State. What was he voted, fourth in the conference for defensive player of the year? Sacks in 16 of 36 games, including 0-for-3 against I-AA comp? A nice combine is no substitute for gameday performance. :still fuming:

I wonder when management is going to seek a trade for a more athletic quarterback with better running skills than Carr has. :sarcasm:


Let me see....... $54 million for a speedy scat back......... or $3 million for a speedy scat back.......... hmmmm........ What's a football team to do :brickwall

I honestly can't believe how anyone would think Kuiak would think that highly of a running back....... it looks to me, that Kubiak is looking to find a replacement for DD right away..... $4 million a year is too much for a runningback.

Kubiak is going to use DD to get us where we are going this year. But he's going to be trying out Lundy/Bennett in the meantime...... Kinda like he did last year with Mike Anderson, and Tatum Bell......... with Bennette, Kubiak already knows he can sign him for less than $2 million a year, which I believe is where he wants to be.

:texflag:

TheRealJoker
05-11-2006, 09:48 PM
I dont know what to think...

Im so used to the Texans not doing anything in the offseason that im kind of on overload here :redtowel:

Runner
05-11-2006, 09:52 PM
Well, one thing is for certain. For the first time, at a lot of positions we have enough depth made up of "adequate" players that the Texans will be cutting players that fans want to keep. Kind of like it was with receivers last year, but now it will be o-line, linebacker, running back......

TheRealJoker
05-11-2006, 09:54 PM
Well, one thing is for certain. For the first time, at a lot of positions we have enough depth made up of "adequate" players that the Texans will be cutting players that fans want to keep. Kind of like it was with receivers last year, but now it will be o-line, linebacker, running back......

d-line, wide receiver again, tight end...THE LIST GOES ON!!!

Hulk75
05-11-2006, 09:55 PM
Let me see....... $54 million for a speedy scat back......... or $3 million for a speedy scat back.......... hmmmm........ What's a football team to do :brickwall

I honestly can't believe how anyone would think Kuiak would think that highly of a running back....... it looks to me, that Kubiak is looking to find a replacement for DD right away..... $4 million a year is too much for a runningback.

Kubiak is going to use DD to get us where we are going this year. But he's going to be trying out Lundy/Bennett in the meantime...... Kinda like he did last year with Mike Anderson, and Tatum Bell......... with Bennette, Kubiak already knows he can sign him for less than $2 million a year, which I believe is where he wants to be.

:texflag:
Never thought of that, good call.

thunderkyss
05-11-2006, 10:02 PM
I am kinda worried about this because this is sending me a red flag that DD is not progressing like he should with his injury. I like Morency but if there is a RB problem and we passed on Bush, someone is going to take a lot of heat.

Denver don't pay for runningbacks..... it's the system....

Texas
05-11-2006, 10:04 PM
This wouldnt be a bad idea. I think we could use his speed to set up situational plays.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2006, 10:10 PM
Denver reminds me of the old Redskins , who Kubiak faced . When the Skins had the Hogs they won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs and John Riggins and Timmy Smith and who knows at RB . Denver had Elway and the Three Amigos .

Besides the Hogs the difference is the Redskins had Charles Grant , Dexter Manley , Dave Butz and I have no idea who the other guy was on their DL .

Texian
05-11-2006, 10:18 PM
If the Texans were in a pickle at RB the following RBs were still on the board when they picked in the second Rd; Lendale White, Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun and Jerrious Norwood.

Hardcore Texan
05-11-2006, 10:21 PM
Well, one thing is for certain. For the first time, at a lot of positions we have enough depth made up of "adequate" players that the Texans will be cutting players that fans want to keep. Kind of like it was with receivers last year, but now it will be o-line, linebacker, running back......


Such a great point, it's exciting just to imagine the possiblities this season may hold. I love the way Kubiak is handling this offseason and acclimating his style of leadership to the organization. :redtowel:

thunderkyss
05-11-2006, 10:22 PM
Nice try at putting words in my mouth, and taking two different thoughts that are not contridictory, but trying to make it seem so. First off, tell me where I said he was better than Shawn Alexander or Edge?

Well, since the reasons you stated as to why Bennette is better than DD can also be applied to Alexander & Edge, you kinda did say that. I think that's what he is getting at.... I don't know for a fact, but I don't think either of them made the ProBowl in their first 6 years.....

Can you find that because I would sure like to see it. Secondly, I said he isn't special enough to trade for a first day pick for two reasons - His injury history, and the market for RB's just seem to be depressed right now. It's not because of a lack of talent. It's a matter of any supply and demand commodity. That in no way means he isn't better than DD if both are completely healthy. That's why he was a first rd draft choice to DD's 4th - because football experts thought coming into the league one was much better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which. To dispute that Bennett isn't better when healthy just shows your lack of football knowledge and DD homerism.

you honestly don't get it?? Jesus......... :brickwall

While your point about injury history isn't totally invalid, my point was in comparison IF both are healthy. Chances are at some point both will be nicked up - making my point of needing two good backs more legit, not less. Let me ask you a question. Do you think Kubiak knows more about football than either one of us? If so, and I am wrong, then why is he pursuing a trade to bring him here????

That's Casserly trying to f@#ch us one more time.


Checkmate :slap:

don't think so...... If anything, Davis vs Bennette's career shows us exactly why the Mario Decision was the right one...... Bennette's not big enough for the NFL..... I'm not saying the same is true about Reggie, but odds are......

DD, Morency, Lundy, Smith....... why would you seriously think we need another back?? 60+ yard runs??

How fast was Emmitt, TD?? They managed 60+ runs many times over..... think that had anything to do with a better team?? Like Downfield blockers?? maybe?? How many 60+ runs did LT break in his first 3 years??

Judging by what they've done in the last 5 years....... I'd say DD is the better back.

Hardcore Texan
05-11-2006, 10:23 PM
If the Texans were in a pickle at RB the following RBs were still on the board when they picked in the second Rd; Lendale White, Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun and Jerrious Norwood.

I wouldn't give up Demeco Ryans for any of those guys. JMO

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 10:24 PM
If the Texans were in a pickle at RB the following RBs were still on the board when they picked in the second Rd; Lendale White, Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun and Jerrious Norwood.
Excellent point. I'm sure if we were looking to replace DD...we'd have found someone a little higher than Lundy. Bennett = Davis backup....Smith will pound some goaline and short yardage....Morency might be on his way out....

mexican_texan
05-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Such a great point, it's exciting just to imagine the possiblities this season may hold. I love the way Kubiak is handling this offseason and acclimating his style of leadership to the organization. :redtowel:
It seems to me that Kubiak isn't worried about rebuilding...he wants a superbowl team. He may be---woah! McNabb cut his 'fro!---anyway, he might be expecting too much from this team. Then again, the team is the same or better than the '04 team.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 10:25 PM
I wouldn't give up Demeco Ryans for any of those guys. JMO

i don't think any of us would....i just think he is saying that if Davis was a issue....we would have addressed it somewhere higher than where we did.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 10:27 PM
It seems to me that Kubiak isn't worried about rebuilding...he wants a superbowl team. He may be---woah! McNabb cut his 'fro!---anyway, he might be expecting too much from this team. Then again, the team is the same or better than the '04 team.

lol...i love McNabb but that might be the best thing for everyone....i don't think i can handle seeing him in those braids again....i don't think anyone can handle that.

mexican_texan
05-11-2006, 10:30 PM
lol...i love McNabb but that might be the best thing for everyone....i don't think i can handle seeing him in those braids again....i don't think anyone can handle that.
His head is too big for a fade. There's a reason George Lopez doesn't cut his hair much...

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 10:32 PM
His head is too big for a fade. There's a reason George Lopez doesn't cut his hair much...

maybe so but all that 'fro said to me was....'tomorrow....i might be bolted'....and that is worse than Derek Anderson braids.

Hardcore Texan
05-11-2006, 10:35 PM
i don't think any of us would....i just think he is saying that if Davis was a issue....we would have addressed it somewhere higher than where we did.


You're right, I read that too fast.

And with Kubiak's/Denver's way of thinking with running backs, it's pretty much plug and play in that system. And I guess they just don't overspend on RB's for that reason.

mexican_texan Quote:

It seems to me that Kubiak isn't worried about rebuilding...he wants a superbowl team. He may be---woah! McNabb cut his 'fro!---anyway, he might be expecting too much from this team. Then again, the team is the same or better than the '04 team.

I do think Kubiak is rebuilding this team at key positions but certain positions such as RB are expendable in a sense, while bringing in veteran leadership and creating competition everywhere, truly a great combination and a philosphy that has won a lot in Denver.

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 10:41 PM
Honest to god I'm very excited at the effort we're putting into making more competition within the team and especially at the RB spot. The thought of having Michael Bennett and Dominick Davis along with Antowain Smith incase of an emergency just make me want to :drool: all over the place. :yahoo:

Texian
05-11-2006, 10:54 PM
I think it might be part of the process and Kubiak's mind set. If you check out Denver's RB's over the last 10 years they have had a stable of RBs. Yet they drafted 11 RBs over the last 10 years. The process and mind set may be to create a highly competive atmosphere for these guys to thrive in. Thats what Kubiak is doing with TEs.

awtysst
05-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Maybe I dont get it, but why trade for bennet when we could trade for TJ duckett instead.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 10:57 PM
Maybe I dont get it, but why trade for bennet when we could trade for TJ duckett instead.

i think bennett is of interest because of the type of back he is...and what he may have left in him....and the expendability of him now with Reggie and Duece in NO. Duckett isn't nearly as expendable...thus costing us more.

Porky
05-11-2006, 11:00 PM
Maybe I dont get it, but why trade for bennet when we could trade for TJ duckett instead.

For the same reason Bush is better than Duckett. He is a homerun threat every time he touches the ball. We need a breakaway threat at RB and we don't have that now. No, I'm not saying he is as good as Bush, but he is very similar in style and has almost as much speed, something DD lacks. Y'all can talk all you want to about production but if both were/are 100% completely healthy (and I realize that does figure into the equation) than I think 32 out of 32 teams take Bennett if given the choice.

TEXANRED
05-11-2006, 11:01 PM
I am kinda worried about this because this is sending me a red flag that DD is not progressing like he should with his injury. I like Morency but if there is a RB problem and we passed on Bush, someone is going to take a lot of heat.
"I did what!? Or crap, I am so fired! Thats it, I quit." -Charley Casserly

Texian
05-11-2006, 11:06 PM
Bennett may be a guy the Denver staff fell in love with when scouting him in 01. He might have been a guy they thought that would fit well in their system. Zone blocking requires a guy who can hit the hole full speed. Tippy toers or those who hesitate won't be around long.

texansfaninla
05-11-2006, 11:38 PM
To the "$3 million for a scat back or $40 million" comment...That's just ludicrous. Does Michael Bennett have the ability to line up at WR? What kind of adjustments do defenses have to make for him? Seems to me if he was so good, he wouldn't have been cut by Minnesota. I'd happily take Bush over Bennett. And I think he's going to be good for a lot more than 300 yards a game.

To the "this guy's a bandwagoner from LA who joined the ship when he thought Reggie was going to Houston" guy...I'm in Louisiana, not Los Angeles. LSU grad, actually, who despises USC. Having said that, I'd gladly take Bush over anyone in this last draft. He was the best prospect in years, hands down, no debate. Yet this FO managed to screw it up royally and will be regretting it for years to come IMO.

Everyone seems to be sooo happy that Kubiak can take an average back and have him turn in great games on occasion. I give you the Quentin Griffin Monday night game, or the Mike Anderson 200-yard game in New Orleans. Where are they now? And far more importantly - what many seem to be blind to - is this: if Kubiak could do what he did with Anderson and Griffin among others, then what could he do with a guy that has talent - and amazing speed to hit a hole in a zone blocking scheme along with the incredible open field moves - like Reggie Bush? Good grief, that seemed like a match made in heaven to me. Did I miss something? But hey - a guy who played well in less than half his games in college is a much better pick for No. 1 overall. Great way to spend that $40 mil.

The DL was addressed in the offseason with Weaver, in last year's draft's first round, and with various resignings. Why take Mario? Because they could sign him before draft day. Period. That's it. And that's a ridiculously stupid reason to take a guy No. 1 overall, especially when you're passing on one of the absolute best prospects to come along in years.

Now after making the "it's a football decision" argument to pass on Bush, now they are seeking a quick running back with gamebreak speed? WTF???? If you needed such a running back, well...No. 1 in the draft wouldn't have been bad timing to address it! If you were truly drafting for need, then why the **** not fill such a need with such a tremendous talent?

Just my two cents. Feel free to disagree vehemently with me.

JAXwithanX
05-11-2006, 11:44 PM
To the "this guy's a bandwagoner from LA who joined the ship when he thought Reggie was going to Houston" guy...I'm in Louisiana, not Los Angeles. LSU grad, actually, who despises USC. Having said that, I'd gladly take Bush over anyone in this last draft. He was the best prospect in years, hands down, no debate. Yet this FO managed to screw it up royally and will be regretting it for years to come IMO.

yeah that was me...my bad for judging wrong....although of course i disagree with the whole reggie thing but....well that horse (:deadhorse) is just a worn piece of leather and some glue now....

Bobo
05-12-2006, 12:14 AM
LOL...

No faith that the owner and the head coach are making the calls?

Umm ... NO!

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 01:37 AM
Maybe I dont get it, but why trade for bennet when we could trade for TJ duckett instead.

I have gnawed on this one all night. Maybe he is a bad kid, maybe Smith was targeted as the short line guy or maybe we are talking to Duckett. One thing I do know is that the guy scores TD's and ran in a zone blocking offense. Those two traits go nicely with the style of football we will play.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 01:46 AM
Yes but, recent FO's movement tells me something about DD's status? I just hope, we are interested just to upgrade our RB position.

If Davis was a problem, doncha think they would have drafted Bush?

Bobo
05-12-2006, 01:51 AM
Saints dangling veteran back BennettBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Less than two months after signing with the New Orleans Saints as the presumptive caddy to Deuce McAllister, veteran tailback Michael Bennett could find his career on a different course for 2006.

Saints officials have spoken to representatives from at least two other teams, ESPN.com has confirmed, about trading Bennett, who was bumped down a notch on the depth chart when New Orleans chose Reggie Bush with the second overall pick in last month's draft. The most in-depth discussions have been with the Houston Texans, and there has also been dialogue with the Miami Dolphins in recent days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2441237

Any insight to who the player was that was offered and rebuffed?

Kubiak is stocking up on retreads -- and the thing is, most of them weren't much even when they had their original tread! Doesn't seem like a good idea to me at all. :confused:

JAXwithanX
05-12-2006, 01:53 AM
stocking up on retreads would be a lot more worrisome if they were being used as starters....bennett is plenty good enough to be a back up and suits the teams well for any sort of change of pace we wanted. but of course this all boils down to what we trade away.

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 01:56 AM
Kubiak is stocking up on retreads -- and the thing is, most of them weren't much even when they had their original tread! Doesn't seem like a good idea to me at all. :confused:

Stocking up for camp and stocking up for the regular season are two different things. Competition should foster grit and execution.

mexican_texan
05-12-2006, 01:56 AM
I have gnawed on this one all night. Maybe he is a bad kid, maybe Smith was targeted as the short line guy or maybe we are talking to Duckett. One thing I do know is that the guy scores TD's and ran in a zone blocking offense. Those two traits go nicely with the style of football we will play.
Duckett didn't play well this past season and still complained about playing time. Not a high character guy, which seems to be the theme this offseason.

Texans34Life
05-12-2006, 04:59 AM
Saints | Team talking to Houston about M. Bennett
Thu, 11 May 2006 17:14:34 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New Orleans Saints have spoken to the Houston Texans, in addition to the previously reported Miami Dolphins, about possibly acquiring Saints RB Michael Bennett. Houston earlier his week signed RB Antowain Smith to bolster the depth chart behind starting RB Domanick Davis, but the nine-year veteran is 34 years old and the Texans may still be seeking to upgrade at tailback. The Texans are believed to have offered a player in exchange for Bennett, and were rebuffed, but talks are expected to continue. Negotiations with the Texans are much further along than the discussions with the Dolphins.

No picks - thank goodness. I hope it's Wade that we're getting rid of.

barzilla
05-12-2006, 08:23 AM
I have to say this is puzzling to say the least. Are we that down on Morency that we now have to have four tailbacks? I can't see us keeping all four. I suppose there could be an open competition between Morency and Smith, but such a deal really doesn't make much sense to me.

Runner
05-12-2006, 09:18 AM
I have to say this is puzzling to say the least. Are we that down on Morency that we now have to have four tailbacks? I can't see us keeping all four. I suppose there could be an open competition between Morency and Smith, but such a deal really doesn't make much sense to me.

We had four last year, depending on what you considered Wells.

Morency is staying - at least he thinks so, since he just bought a house.

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 09:25 AM
In this offensive four tailbacks is not outrageous. If you run the football you need lots of backs, think about the Steelers, how many backs did they use last season?

I think Smith could also possibly serve as a back up fullback as well.

So you would have:
Tailback: DD, Bennett, Smith, Morency
Fullback: Cook, Smith
Wali Lundy (TB) and Quadtrine Hill (FB) to the practice squad.

Smith is likely to be cut next year.

Hardcore Texan
05-12-2006, 09:55 AM
To the "$3 million for a scat back or $40 million" comment...That's just ludicrous. Does Michael Bennett have the ability to line up at WR? What kind of adjustments do defenses have to make for him? Seems to me if he was so good, he wouldn't have been cut by Minnesota. I'd happily take Bush over Bennett. And I think he's going to be good for a lot more than 300 yards a game.

To the "this guy's a bandwagoner from LA who joined the ship when he thought Reggie was going to Houston" guy...I'm in Louisiana, not Los Angeles. LSU grad, actually, who despises USC. Having said that, I'd gladly take Bush over anyone in this last draft. He was the best prospect in years, hands down, no debate. Yet this FO managed to screw it up royally and will be regretting it for years to come IMO.

Everyone seems to be sooo happy that Kubiak can take an average back and have him turn in great games on occasion. I give you the Quentin Griffin Monday night game, or the Mike Anderson 200-yard game in New Orleans. Where are they now? And far more importantly - what many seem to be blind to - is this: if Kubiak could do what he did with Anderson and Griffin among others, then what could he do with a guy that has talent - and amazing speed to hit a hole in a zone blocking scheme along with the incredible open field moves - like Reggie Bush? Good grief, that seemed like a match made in heaven to me. Did I miss something? But hey - a guy who played well in less than half his games in college is a much better pick for No. 1 overall. Great way to spend that $40 mil.

The DL was addressed in the offseason with Weaver, in last year's draft's first round, and with various resignings. Why take Mario? Because they could sign him before draft day. Period. That's it. And that's a ridiculously stupid reason to take a guy No. 1 overall, especially when you're passing on one of the absolute best prospects to come along in years.

Now after making the "it's a football decision" argument to pass on Bush, now they are seeking a quick running back with gamebreak speed? WTF???? If you needed such a running back, well...No. 1 in the draft wouldn't have been bad timing to address it! If you were truly drafting for need, then why the **** not fill such a need with such a tremendous talent?

Just my two cents. Feel free to disagree vehemently with me.


Well seeing how Bush wants 26 million guaranteed on a 50 million dollar deal, I will take a Smith, Lundi, and Bennet all together for a small portion of that.

Also, this been gone over and over, we didn't select Bush, it is well publicized why. Cass and Kubiak agreed on Mario and started negotiating hot and heavy with him after McNair's approval. It is what it is, in the end the staff wanted Mario. I like the choice personally, finally this team is being built from inside out, down in the trenches.

beerlover
05-12-2006, 10:00 AM
Well seeing how Bush wants 26 million guaranteed on a 50 million dollar deal, I will take a Smith, Lundi, and Bennet all together for a small portion of that.

Also, this been gone over and over, we didn't select Bush, it is well publicized why. Cass and Kubiak agreed on Mario and started negotiating hot and heavy with him after McNair's approval. It is what it is, in the end the staff wanted Mario. I like the choice personally, finally this team is being built from inside out, down in the trenches.

:hunter: good post!

I just hope they are not just trying to cover their collective butts by ensuring the RB position will be a strength & not a weakness, then again maybe not such a terrible thing if they extract Bennet at a discount :poker:

David's Busted Carr
05-12-2006, 10:02 AM
I have to say this is puzzling to say the least. Are we that down on Morency that we now have to have four tailbacks? I can't see us keeping all four. I suppose there could be an open competition between Morency and Smith, but such a deal really doesn't make much sense to me.

It's really not that confusing.

DD = starter
Morency = backup
A.Smith = short yardage (3rd & short and possilbly goalline). This would significantly reduce the wear & tear on DD.
Bennett = speed guy (3rd & long, possilbly use in 2 back sets with DD)

The way I see it Smith & Bennett would be utilized in "special" situations. Morency would be the starter if DD went down. I don't see anything wrong with acquiring more talent if the price is right. The more the better as far as I'm concerned.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 10:03 AM
Stocking up for camp and stocking up for the regular season are two different things. Competition should foster grit and execution.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that an NFL head coach would actually give somebody a contract with no intentions of keeping that person for the season. I can see that with UFAs, but not folks like Bennett and these other retreats Kubiak's brought in.

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 10:10 AM
I find it very, very difficult to believe that an NFL head coach would actually give somebody a contract with no intentions of keeping that person for the season. I can see that with UFAs, but not folks like Bennett and these other retreats Kubiak's brought in.

Well correct if I am wrong, but NO would swallow the bonus with a cap hit and we would have only the contract to deal with which is usually minimal for cap situations.

Malloy
05-12-2006, 10:23 AM
And that would be Kubiak?

Casserly ofcourse, we all know that everything's his fault!!.. :)

thunderkyss
05-12-2006, 10:32 AM
I find it very, very difficult to believe that an NFL head coach would actually give somebody a contract with no intentions of keeping that person for the season. I can see that with UFAs, but not folks like Bennett and these other retreats Kubiak's brought in.


if we are signing guys, with no bonuses, that's exactly what we should think.. they aren't expected to make the team..... I don't think we can get a player to Training camp without having a contract with them......


Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 10:50 AM
if we are signing guys, with no bonuses, that's exactly what we should think.. they aren't expected to make the team..... I don't think we can get a player to Training camp without having a contract with them......


Correct me if I'm wrong.

Like I said, UFAs are one thing. The other FAs certainly should be expected to be more than just cannon fodder.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 10:51 AM
It's really not that confusing.

DD = starter
Morency = backup
A.Smith = short yardage (3rd & short and possilbly goalline). This would significantly reduce the wear & tear on DD.
Bennett = speed guy (3rd & long, possilbly use in 2 back sets with DD)

The way I see it Smith & Bennett would be utilized in "special" situations. Morency would be the starter if DD went down. I don't see anything wrong with acquiring more talent if the price is right. The more the better as far as I'm concerned.

And the rookie RB?

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 10:53 AM
Saints | Team talking to Houston about M. Bennett
Thu, 11 May 2006 17:14:34 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New Orleans Saints have spoken to the Houston Texans, in addition to the previously reported Miami Dolphins, about possibly acquiring Saints RB Michael Bennett. Houston earlier his week signed RB Antowain Smith to bolster the depth chart behind starting RB Domanick Davis, but the nine-year veteran is 34 years old and the Texans may still be seeking to upgrade at tailback. The Texans are believed to have offered a player in exchange for Bennett, and were rebuffed, but talks are expected to continue. Negotiations with the Texans are much further along than the discussions with the Dolphins.

No picks - thank goodness. I hope it's Wade that we're getting rid of.

I seriously doubt that it is Wade. The Saints are trying to unload salary and he carries a huge cap figure, bigger than Bennett's. Also, Wade is coming off an injury. I have a feeling it was Jason Babin.

Ibar_Harry
05-12-2006, 11:10 AM
The fact that the Texans keep working on the Bennett deal suggests to me that DD is perhaps not recovering as well as expected. We have gone after backs in FA, the draft, and now the post draft. It really begins to raise a flag. Something is wrong and we aren't hearing about it.

Our young backs should be good and the draftee worked the zone scheme and was very successful in it. I would think one of those guys would be adequate given the success Denver and Kubiak have had with the zone scheme. Are they panicked for some reason?

Hulk75
05-12-2006, 11:19 AM
The fact that the Texans keep working on the Bennett deal suggests to me that DD is perhaps not recovering as well as expected. We have gone after backs in FA, the draft, and now the post draft. It really begins to raise a flag. Something is wrong and we aren't hearing about it.

Our young backs should be good and the draftee worked the zone scheme and was very successful in it. I would think one of those guys would be adequate given the success Denver and Kubiak have had with the zone scheme. Are they panicked for some reason?
I said earlier last month that I heard Domanicks knee is never going to be like it was, he might not make it through the year again.

Ibar_Harry
05-12-2006, 11:39 AM
I said earlier last month that I heard Domanicks knee is never going to be like it was, he might not make it through the year again.

I think you might be right. Like I said just to much looking at backs for my choice.

O.G.
05-12-2006, 11:55 AM
I think you might be right. Like I said just to much looking at backs for my choice.

Bennett would make an adequate back. Remember for much of last year, we were rumored to try to trade for Travis Henry.

texansfaninla
05-12-2006, 12:06 PM
If DD is permanently injured, then again I ask - WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE REGGIE BUSH??? I know - it's a rhetorical question because what's happened has happened. But it just makes zero sense, which is why I keep trying - and failing - to figure it out. If DD is in bad shape, that would make the RB position a far greater need than DE - makes taking Mario a dumb "football decision". (Even though at the top of the draft you're supposed to pick best talent first, not need...)

As for "overpaying" for Bush...I'd rather pay a lot to get a high-profile back than a little for a bunch of mediocre - or "adequate" - passarounds. If you're going to spend top dollar for the top pick, you might as well get the top prospect. (And if you really think it was Mario, then get off the Battle Red Koolaid...Think about it - why weren't we all cheering for the Texans to lose to SF in the Mario Bowl?)

Very disgusted with how this is developing...

CoastalTexan
05-12-2006, 12:12 PM
This has been said over and over, Kubiak's running game does not need an expensive RB. He gets by with average players, in the salary cap world he decides to spend his money elsewhere.

DRAMA
05-12-2006, 12:14 PM
Denver carries lots of backs...


Houston carries lots of backs...

DD does NOT have a disease...


everybody chill..........geez!

:poker:

hollywood_texan
05-12-2006, 12:17 PM
If DD is permanently injured, then again I ask - WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE REGGIE BUSH??? I know - it's a rhetorical question because what's happened has happened. But it just makes zero sense, which is why I keep trying - and failing - to figure it out. If DD is in bad shape, that would make the RB position a far greater need than DE - makes taking Mario a dumb "football decision". (Even though at the top of the draft you're supposed to pick best talent first, not need...)

As for "overpaying" for Bush...I'd rather pay a lot to get a high-profile back than a little for a bunch of mediocre - or "adequate" - passarounds. If you're going to spend top dollar for the top pick, you might as well get the top prospect. (And if you really think it was Mario, then get off the Battle Red Koolaid...Think about it - why weren't we all cheering for the Texans to lose to SF in the Mario Bowl?)

Very disgusted with how this is developing...

It's a lot easier to find a 1,000 yard back and really two, which is all you need to have a good offense, than a good edge rusher. In addition, this organization has not addressed the defensive and offensive line high the draft in the first four years.

Besides, what if DD stays healthy? What do you do then? Bush hasn't proven he can run between the tackels? How do you spread 50 plays a game between Davis, Bush, Johnson, Moulds, and Putzier?

Bush is too expensive and overkill with the offensive weapons.

As for all the cheering, that was because of unproven hype which I didn't figure out until the Rose Bowl.

Two things also to consider, the Heisman will be revoked and he will be a holdout on the Saints, which factored into McNair's decision despite what he says. Reggie wants way too much money because this will be the best time for him to get his big contract. It will be really hard for him to get a pay increase at 28 or so when his rookie contract expires. All running backs have a hard time getting that big contract in their late 20's.

Sportsfan
05-12-2006, 12:21 PM
Denver carries lots of backs...


Houston carries lots of backs...

DD does NOT have a disease...


everybody chill..........geez!

:poker:

Glad someone said this finally.

Hulk75
05-12-2006, 12:30 PM
The point is is that DD knee is not as well as people think, nobody is blowing anything out about DD. He is not healthy still, other wise we would not be looking at all these RBs.

aj.
05-12-2006, 12:31 PM
I heard Kubiak say twice last week that he was going to be relying heavily on DD this season so I take that as a sign that they aren't worried about his knee all that much.

Hulk75
05-12-2006, 12:32 PM
I heard Kubiak say twice last week that he was going to be relying heavily on DD this season so I take that as a sign that they aren't worried about his knee all that much.
All right.:cool:

jerek
05-12-2006, 01:27 PM
The fact that the Texans keep working on the Bennett deal suggests to me that DD is perhaps not recovering as well as expected. We have gone after backs in FA, the draft, and now the post draft. It really begins to raise a flag. Something is wrong and we aren't hearing about it.

Our young backs should be good and the draftee worked the zone scheme and was very successful in it. I would think one of those guys would be adequate given the success Denver and Kubiak have had with the zone scheme. Are they panicked for some reason?

I don't think our coaches like DD, for whatever reason. We were poised to trade back into the first with Chicago to pick up DeAngelo Williams, but at the last minute Buffalo swooped in and made a better offer.

I liked DD last year and hope he sticks around, but at this point who knows.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 01:37 PM
I don't think our coaches like DD, for whatever reason. We were poised to trade back into the first with Chicago to pick up DeAngelo Williams, but at the last minute Buffalo swooped in and made a better offer.

I liked DD last year and hope he sticks around, but at this point who knows.

Maybe Kubiak doesn't like RBs as a whole. I imagine he feels that he can stick anybody behind there and he'll have success, just like it was in Denver. But if this is what Kubiak thinks, somebody please tell him that this ain't Denver. The Texans don't have the OL he had in Denver and I don't think simply a change in dance steps :bananasplit: is gonna make it all better. The line needs talented individuals who can do the job for his philosophy to work and that is questionable with the Texans thus far. Taking that into account, a successful RB who you know can work well behind a questionable OL is important and Davis meets that need. There's no need to make any changes at the RB position. Wells helped them win one of the two games they did win last year with 87 yards, 2 TDs and 33 reception yards and also had 83 yards in the other game he filled in for Davis. Davis, Morency, Wells and Hollings were just fine compared to the other massive needs this team has. So why the heck is Kubiak putting all his attention at RB? This doesn't look good. It's something that could come back to haunt him.

thunderkyss
05-12-2006, 01:42 PM
As for "overpaying" for Bush...I'd rather pay a lot to get a high-profile back than a little for a bunch of mediocre - or "adequate" - passarounds. If you're going to spend top dollar for the top pick, you might as well get the top prospect. (And if you really think it was Mario, then get off the Battle Red Koolaid...Think about it - why weren't we all cheering for the Texans to lose to SF in the Mario Bowl?)

Very disgusted with how this is developing...

The disgusting thing, is that you were cheering for us to lose against SanFrancisco............. pppppptttttttoooooiiiii


The fact of the matter is that Kubiak will never pay a runningback $54 million, with $26 mil gauranteed....... not LT, not Shawn Alexander, not Terrell Davis, not Mike Anderson, not Clinton Portis, not Tiki Barber, not Fred Taylor, not Larry Johnson, not Priest Holmes, not Edgerin James, not Emmit Smith, not Barry Sanders, not Gayle Sayers, not OJ Simpson, not Walter Payton, not Rikki Williams, not Cadillac Williams, not Ronnie Brown, not Jim Brown, not Robert Smith, not Corey Dillion, not Willis McGahee, not Rudi Johnson, not Reuban Droughns, etc..........

& damn sure not somebody who hasn't been hit by the likes of Ray Lewis, Roy Williams, John Lynch, or Mario Williams.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 01:45 PM
The disgusting thing, is that you were cheering for us to lose against SanFrancisco............. pppppptttttttoooooiiiii


The fact of the matter is that Kubiak will never pay a runningback $54 million, with $26 mil gauranteed....... not LT, not Shawn Alexander, not Terrell Davis, not Mike Anderson, not Clinton Portis, not Tiki Barber, not Fred Taylor, not Larry Johnson, not Priest Holmes, not Edgerin James, not Emmit Smith, not Barry Sanders, not Gayle Sayers, not OJ Simpson, not Walter Payton, not Rikki Williams, not Cadillac Williams, not Ronnie Brown, not Jim Brown, not Robert Smith, not Corey Dillion, not Willis McGahee, not Rudi Johnson, not Reuban Droughns, etc..........

& damn sure not somebody who hasn't been hit by the likes of Ray Lewis, Roy Williams, John Lynch, or Mario Williams.

Thogh I agree with the Williams pick, Kubiak should realize he ain't in Denver now where he can put nobodies in there to run the ball because his line is so strong.

aj.
05-12-2006, 01:46 PM
I don't think our coaches like DD, for whatever reason. .

Kubiak was gushing over DD at the luncheon and dinner last week. He said in '03 that Denver was poised to draft him (they were like 3 spots behind the Texans) and were very upset the Texans drafted him. The Broncs took Quentin Griffin instead, over Onterrio Smith and Lee Suggs.

Kubiak and Calhoun are big DD fans. Just ask them.

Whether DD can stay healthy for an entire season is the concern.

Hardcore Texan
05-12-2006, 01:47 PM
The disgusting thing, is that you were cheering for us to lose against SanFrancisco............. pppppptttttttoooooiiiii


The fact of the matter is that Kubiak will never pay a runningback $54 million, with $26 mil gauranteed....... not LT, not Shawn Alexander, not Terrell Davis, not Mike Anderson, not Clinton Portis, not Tiki Barber, not Fred Taylor, not Larry Johnson, not Priest Holmes, not Edgerin James, not Emmit Smith, not Barry Sanders, not Gayle Sayers, not OJ Simpson, not Walter Payton, not Rikki Williams, not Cadillac Williams, not Ronnie Brown, not Jim Brown, not Robert Smith, not Corey Dillion, not Willis McGahee, not Rudi Johnson, not Reuban Droughns, etc..........

& damn sure not somebody who hasn't been hit by the likes of Ray Lewis, Roy Williams, John Lynch, or Mario Williams.

Preach on my brother....can I get a AMEN! :redtowel:

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 01:48 PM
I seriously doubt that it is Wade. The Saints are trying to unload salary and he carries a huge cap figure, bigger than Bennett's. Also, Wade is coming off an injury. I have a feeling it was Jason Babin.

If we give up Babin we'd be getting ripped off. I hope you're not right. :hide:

Hardcore Texan
05-12-2006, 01:50 PM
Thogh I agree with the Williams pick, Kubiak should realize he ain't in Denver now where he can put nobodies in there to run the ball because his line is so strong.


I think the O-Line will be much improved...Kubiak knows this. And Bennet, Smith, and Morency are very serviceable (not exactly nobodies). Give the new line a chance, we have brought in a lot of new OL and some veterans as well. We will get a good idea if they can function as a cohesive unit in PreSeason.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 02:01 PM
I think the O-Line will be much improved...Kubiak knows this. And Bennet, Smith, and Morency are very serviceable. Give the new line a chance, we have brought in a lot of new OL and some veterans as well. We will get a good idea if they can function as a cohesive unit in PreSeason.

I'll believe the OL has improved when I see it on the field for a protracted amount of time. And if Kubiak has any kind of smarts at all, he should take this approach as well -- unless he claims he's clairvoyant. The OL as a group is untested and you cannot assume it won't be any better this year until things come together -- and that may take some time. The pre-season won't prove squat. You know as well as I do that folks take their first units out to protect them very, very early in pre-season games so you won't really know what you've got until well into the season. You say that Bennett and Smith and Morency are "serviceable." Well, you can say the same for Morency, Wells and Hollings. So why fool with it? My message to Kubiak: The kitchen is clean. Now deal with the rest of the house.

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 02:14 PM
I have heard from a source, not yet ready to report because the facts have not been confirmed, that the Texans are in discussion about trading Morlon Greenwood and a 7th round pick for Michael Bennett and Courtney Watson.

Thoughts?

Sportsfan
05-12-2006, 02:15 PM
Look about 4 threads down ....


http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=23137

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 02:17 PM
Who is Courtney Watson and what does he do? Kinda surprises me that Greenwood would be part of the package.

He is third year MLB, second round pick from Notre Dame. He started for the Saints last three years,however, missed last 7 games last year with a knee injury. He also got a DUI last year.

Trapped
05-12-2006, 02:23 PM
Ive been trying to say that Kubiak will never pay a running back 50 million. When would u guys understand.

If we trade Greenwood, maybe we like terry pierce, wali rainer, orr?? I think any of those guys can be as serviceable as Greenwood. I wouldn't mind us trading Greenwood and a 7th for Bennet and Courtney Watson.

baba ganoush
05-12-2006, 02:24 PM
I heard a rumor that the texans are looking to get michael bennet in a trade...Bennet is a very fast and quick running back, but i just don tsee the need...Unless Kubial wants a running backs like he had in denver...
Domanick Davis - Mike Anderson
Michael Bennet - Tatum Bell
Antwoine Smith - Ron Dayne
I really dont see no point in getting Bennet unless Kubial sees something that i dont, by the way if the texans were to make a trade what do you think they would get for a very injury proned running back in bennet?????

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 02:25 PM
Who is Courtney Watson and what does he do? Kinda surprises me that Greenwood would be part of the package.

Making all that money playing behind Cowart at MLB which he won't, probably getting beat out of a job by the likes of Kailee Wong, Jason Babin and/or Antwan Peek, and Demeco Ryans as OLBs. He was going to have to really produce or go. No upside anymore.

I can see why they would feel like he is expendable.

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 02:54 PM
Here is my take:

Bennett would provide a speed back that we currently do not have.

Watson would be an immediate upgrade at MLB. He and Cowart would provide good depth at this position. Plus, contrary to his DUI, Watson is a high character guy who is also smart.

Demeco Ryans could immediately replace Greenwood as the staring Will LB. He too is very smart and instinctive.

I think this would be a win-win. The Saints could dumpt two contracts for one and would get the weakside LB that they are looking for.

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 03:00 PM
We gave them Reggie. They owe us something good.

Porky
05-12-2006, 03:00 PM
Here is my take:

Bennett would provide a speed back that we currently do not have.

Watson would be an immediate upgrade at MLB. He and Cowart would provide good depth at this position. Plus, contrary to his DUI, Watson is a high character guy who is also smart.

Demeco Ryans could immediately replace Greenwood as the staring Will LB. He too is very smart and instinctive.

I think this would be a win-win. The Saints could dumpt two contracts for one and would get the weakside LB that they are looking for.

If your speculation were true, I would be all over that like flies on stink. I remember being pretty high on Watson when he came out, and had him as a Texas possibility then. I haven't followed his career closely since, but I liked him coming out. Ryans then finds a home on the weakside, which I think he is well suited for, and Watson takes over in the middle, with Cowart coming off the bench. In addition, we get a speed back who adds a whole new dimension to the offense. Man, Kubes is serious about winning now, isn't he. He ain't foolin around! :redtowel:

bigtex77
05-12-2006, 03:03 PM
Man, Kubes is serious about winning now, isn't he. He ain't follin around! :redtowel:


The kind of mentality Kubes seems to have is exactly what this team needed.

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 03:06 PM
We might be seeing a very young LB corp with a nice mixture of veterans developing. Youth brings heart and heart on defense brings winning attitudes and winning attitude bring Championships.

stickman713
05-12-2006, 03:06 PM
I have heard from a source, not yet ready to report because the facts have not been confirmed, that the Texans are in discussion about trading Morlon Greenwood and a 7th round pick for Michael Bennett and Courtney Watson.

It won't be watson he was traded wednesday

New Orleans Saints Traded LB Courtney Watson to the Miami Dolphins for LB Eddie Moore.

Exascor
05-12-2006, 03:11 PM
I have heard from a source, not yet ready to report because the facts have not been confirmed, that the Texans are in discussion about trading Morlon Greenwood and a 7th round pick for Michael Bennett and Courtney Watson.

It won't be watson he was traded wednesday

New Orleans Saints Traded LB Courtney Watson to the Miami Dolphins for LB Eddie Moore.That trade didn't happen because Moore failed his physical.

Porky
05-12-2006, 03:11 PM
I have heard from a source, not yet ready to report because the facts have not been confirmed, that the Texans are in discussion about trading Morlon Greenwood and a 7th round pick for Michael Bennett and Courtney Watson.

It won't be watson he was traded wednesday

New Orleans Saints Traded LB Courtney Watson to the Miami Dolphins for LB Eddie Moore.

Wrong. The trade was recinded because Moore did not pass his physical. Watson is still very much a Saint, and very much still on the trading block.

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 03:11 PM
I do not understand why we would give up Greenwood and take his large cap hit. Just does not seem prudent.

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 03:12 PM
I have heard from a source, not yet ready to report because the facts have not been confirmed, that the Texans are in discussion about trading Morlon Greenwood and a 7th round pick for Michael Bennett and Courtney Watson.

It won't be watson he was traded wednesday

New Orleans Saints Traded LB Courtney Watson to the Miami Dolphins for LB Eddie Moore.

Trade did not go through, Eddie Moore failed his physical. That is when this proposal came about.

bigtex77
05-12-2006, 03:12 PM
I could be wrong, but I think Watson failed his physical which voided the trade.

bigtex77
05-12-2006, 03:13 PM
Trade did not go through, Eddie Moore failed his physical. That is when this proposal came about.

Sorry, that's what I meant. :brickwall :brickwall

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 03:19 PM
http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-23/1147416297223960.xml

The Saints reportedly are also discussing possible trades for safety Dwight Smith and tailback Michael Bennett, but Loomis declined to comment on those players.

According to ESPN.com, the Saints have had in-depth discussions with the Houston Texans and dialogue with the Dolphins about Bennett. Bennett, a free agent who signed with the Saints two months ago, was bumped down on the depth chart when the Saints drafted Southern Cal running back Reggie Bush with the second overall pick in April's draft.

Despite being one of the Saints' most valuable and productive players last season, Smith has been mentioned in trade talks for the past month. Reportedly his former team, Tampa Bay, has shown interest.

The Saints are overloaded with seven players at safety, including second-round draft pick Roman Harper. The team likely will trade or release one or two veterans before the season starts.

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 03:23 PM
Give us one of those safeties and this trade starts making real sense.

Malloy
05-12-2006, 03:24 PM
The Saints are overloaded with seven players at safety, including second-round draft pick Roman Harper. The team likely will trade or release one or two veterans before the season starts.

We could use some of that. This possible multi-player trade is getting real interesting! :)

Porky
05-12-2006, 03:25 PM
http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-23/1147416297223960.xml

The Saints reportedly are also discussing possible trades for safety Dwight Smith and tailback Michael Bennett, but Loomis declined to comment on those players.

According to ESPN.com, the Saints have had in-depth discussions with the Houston Texans and dialogue with the Dolphins about Bennett. Bennett, a free agent who signed with the Saints two months ago, was bumped down on the depth chart when the Saints drafted Southern Cal running back Reggie Bush with the second overall pick in April's draft.

Despite being one of the Saints' most valuable and productive players last season, Smith has been mentioned in trade talks for the past month. Reportedly his former team, Tampa Bay, has shown interest.

The Saints are overloaded with seven players at safety, including second-round draft pick Roman Harper. The team likely will trade or release one or two veterans before the season starts.

Hmmm, could we use a safety too? Load em up. We can totally remake our defense with Smith and Watson. Bennett gives us a totally new dimension on offense. Let's make it happen! Bennett, Watson, and Smith. We will give them a 7th, Greenwood, and Bruener, or a number of other players who don't fit our new scheme. :poker:

thunderkyss
05-12-2006, 03:27 PM
Let's give them Greenwood, & a 7th, for Smith & Watson.......

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 03:31 PM
I think we put way too much money into Greenwood to be traded, but we did draft DeMeco so I wouldn't mind if we did.
I'm just going to throw this out there but maybe we signed Antowain Smith so we can use him as bait to get Michael Bennett...

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 03:36 PM
There's a lot of good opinions and stuff over here :thumbup
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=23137

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 03:37 PM
I think we put way too much money into Greenwood to be traded, but we did draft DeMeco so I wouldn't mind if we did.
I'm just going to throw this out there but maybe we signed Antowain Smith so we can use him as bait to get Michael Bennett...
Are you saying something like the Ol' Sign Bosseli so you can get Walker and Payne deal?

If we can get a safety out of this we could be looking at a really great offseason.

Texans86
05-12-2006, 03:44 PM
I dont know how much more of this I can take. I thought we were supposed to be quiet this offseason with player personell.

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 03:46 PM
Are you saying something like the Ol' Sign Bosseli so you can get Walker and Payne deal?

If we can get a safety out of this we could be looking at a really great offseason.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I know I do that all the time in Madden, I'm just not sure if the F.O. thinks like that :tv:

Actually, I just noticed that that's exactly what the Saints are doing to us. They just signed Bennett six weeks ago and now if they trade him they are going to get a player and/or draftpick for him.

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 03:51 PM
That's exactly what I'm saying. I know I do that all the time in Madden, I'm just not sure if the F.O. thinks like that :tv:

Actually, I just noticed that that's exactly what the Saints are doing to us. They just signed Bennett six weeks ago and now if they trade him they are going to get a player and/or draftpick for him.

If we move Greenwood and release Wade it wil be extremely difficult in my opinion to sign all of our draft picks next year and/or sign anyone in FA.

thunderkyss
05-12-2006, 03:51 PM
I think we put way too much money into Greenwood to be traded, but we did draft DeMeco so I wouldn't mind if we did.
I'm just going to throw this out there but maybe we signed Antowain Smith so we can use him as bait to get Michael Bennett...

Didn't Antowain play for the Saints last year??

So they cut him....... we sign him in hopes to get their other RB?? hmmmm

Porky
05-12-2006, 03:58 PM
Smith to the Saints makes zero sense. If the Saints wanted him, he was a FA until a few days ago. Besides the fact that they are trying to get rid of RB's not add another on the last legs of his career. Let's get the thread back on track, becase I have more chance of winning Americal Idol than Smith getting traded to the Saints. Let's just end this now. :ok:

texansfaninla
05-12-2006, 04:28 PM
"the likes of Ray Lewis, Roy Williams, John Lynch, or Mario Williams...."

Right..........Let's pay $54 million for NOT Ray Lewis, NOT Roy Williams, NOT John Lynch, but Mario Williams is okay? You're giving that cash up to someone at No. 1 - at least make it worthy of the talent. Bush is - Mario isn't. He had one half of one good season.

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 04:31 PM
No, you're not understanding what he is saying. It was kind of like the Bosseli deal where the Jags would only allow us to sign Payne and Walker if we took Bosseli's big contract off their hands.

In this case we may have been signing Smith under the table if it meant they would be willing to trade Bennett and whoever else with us.

Hulk75
05-12-2006, 04:38 PM
Kubiak was gushing over DD at the luncheon and dinner last week. He said in '03 that Denver was poised to draft him (they were like 3 spots behind the Texans) and were very upset the Texans drafted him. The Broncs took Quentin Griffin instead, over Onterrio Smith and Lee Suggs.

Kubiak and Calhoun are big DD fans. Just ask them.

Whether DD can stay healthy for an entire season is the concern.
Yea thats all I was saying sure they like him a lot who would not, health is the problem.

aj.
05-12-2006, 04:48 PM
Greenwood's hit would be in the $5.6 range.

Wade would be a post June 1 if he's released so they could split his $6.7 hit, but both of these are a lot to absorb considering Walker's $7.3 that we still have to account for over the next two years.

5 worst moves? What I just touched on above is far and away #1.

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 05:18 PM
Didn't Antowain play for the Saints last year??

So they cut him....... we sign him in hopes to get their other RB?? hmmmm

lol good point I know I was thinking about that same thing earlier I just forgot about that when I posted that last time.

Porky
05-12-2006, 06:17 PM
This is Pro Football Weekly's take. (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Spins/2006/spins051206.htm)

Dolphins, Texans interested in speedy RB Bennett

When the Saints drafted Reggie Bush, almost everyone in New Orleans was pleased. Michael Bennett, who signed a two-year, $3 million contract in March, was among the few who weren’t elated to see Bush arrive in the bayou. The Texans and Dolphins are reportedly interested in dealing for Bennett, whose role in New Orleans could be miniscule with Bush and Deuce McAllister carrying most of the load.

PFW: For which team is Bennett a better fit?

Reynolds: The Texans are adopting the zone-blocking scheme, and Bennett is a perfect fit in this get-it-and-go attack. He struggled in Minnesota at times, especially when asked to run behind a fullback or change direction on the move. His greatest asset is the straight-line speed that made him a track star at Wisconsin. If this deal goes through, don’t rule out Bennett pushing for playing time immediately. There is doubt in the organization about Domanick Davis being a 16-game back. His balky knee is a lingering issue, and Davis has been hurt throughout his career. Even though the Texans were capable of running the ball effectively without Davis, they lack quality depth. Also, Davis’ greatest supporter was Charley Casserly, who drafted Davis and re-signed him in 2005, but Casserly resigned the GM post last week. Davis is not assured a starting job, and head coach Gary Kubiak, a Denver disciple, will give all hands on board a chance to earn playing time. The Broncos’ success with players such as Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson has to be encouraging to every back on the Texans' depth chart, since Houston will employ an offensive scheme similar to Denver's. Second-year Texans RB Vernand Morency was drafted by the previous regime and will have to prove himself. But he’s 5-9, 220, and has some explosiveness to him. As a one-cut runner, Morency is tougher, stronger and more mature physically than former college teammate Tatum Bell, who played for Kubiak in Denver. In fact, the Broncos reportedly had considered drafting Morency last year because they considered him such a good fit for their system. A recent Texans acquisition, RB Antowain Smith played better than expected in New Orleans last season but may not have much left at age 34. Morency and Smith also have some durability concerns, as does Bennett. He has sub-4.4 speed, but knee, foot and ankle injuries held him to 20 games in the past three seasons. He’s not a TD machine, but he’d be the most explosive back on the roster.

If Bennett is sent to Miami, which reportedly dealt yet another draft pick this week to acquire Joey Harrington, Bennett would jump right in behind Ronnie Brown. Bennett played in this offensive system with the Vikings before Scott Linehan departed after the 2004 season. During Linehan’s tenure, Bennett gained 4.9 yards per carry (2,109 yards on 415 carries from 2002 to '04). Bennett would also bring an explosive presence to the return game. Wes Welker is a superior punt returner, but the Dolphins want a big-play threat to lead the kickoff-return team.

aj.
05-12-2006, 06:23 PM
I guess they didn't hear what Kubiak said about DD at the luncheon and dinner last week (relying on him heavily this season)

That said, Bennett would be a very good add to the backfield as a hedge on DD's health issues. Load up. Get bodies. DD, Bennett, and Antowain is a very functional Top 3. Doesn't bode well for Morency since if they sign Bennett, either Morency or Lundy doesn't make the team. But, that's a good problem to have.

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 06:32 PM
I like how they mention in that article that he would be a perfect fit for out system. Of course David's not assured the starting job, as we haven't even started training camp and haven't finished the offseason yet. There will be competition for the spot but that's to show Bennett (if we're still interested, which I think we are) that he atleast has a shot at it. I think it wouldn't be fair to Bennett to assure the starting job to DD.

Second Honeymoon
05-12-2006, 06:44 PM
the FO has no clue what they are doing....i thought they were happy with the RB situation and that is why they reached on Mario....McNair is now only slightly above Bud in my opinion...this offseason could have been the best ever but for every step forward they take two steps back.

they say they dont need a RB and then they sign A.Smith and now are gonna try and deal for Bennett...who is running this organization?? Cybil?

and to all those drinking the battle red kool aid, picking Mario over Bush is STILL a bad pick irregardless of how much you and the local media have convinced yourselves its not....it was about money and ego..period...dont buy the BS that it was about best player available because clearly that is not the case...Mario got all his sacks v. Duke, Wake Forest and other basketball schools...nuff said

pwned,

doug from the woodlands

Texans86
05-12-2006, 06:57 PM
the FO has no clue what they are doing....i thought they were happy with the RB situation and that is why they reached on Mario....McNair is now only slightly above Bud in my opinion...this offseason could have been the best ever but for every step forward they take two steps back.

they say they dont need a RB and then they sign A.Smith and now are gonna try and deal for Bennett...who is running this organization?? Cybil?

and to all those drinking the battle red kool aid, picking Mario over Bush is STILL a bad pick irregardless of how much you and the local media have convinced yourselves its not....it was about money and ego..period...dont buy the BS that it was about best player available because clearly that is not the case...Mario got all his sacks v. Duke, Wake Forest and other basketball schools...nuff said

pwned,

doug from the woodlands

I almost hate replying to you, as so many things you say seem flawed to me. And you do it repeatedly. Reggie is good and could possibly be a very good runningback in this league. He is not on the Texans nor will he ever be. I wish him the best though.

Now on to more productive things. There is no way you can even come close to partnering Bob McNair and Bud Adams, and almost anyone on this board will agree with me. Bob loves this town, and loves football. The mere fact that he has gone out and paid so much for free agents, some of whom will not make the team, should prove enough to you that he is not cheap. They were brought in for competition, and the best 52 players will be on the sidelines in a few months.

We had D.Davis and Morency on the team. Regardless of what you think, we needed some more runningbacks for depth. DD is the starter, but most teams have about four running backs each season. The front office saw Mario Williams as the BPA, so they took him. I ask you again to please get over the fact the Reggie Bush never will be on this team.

We picked the best defensive prospect available rather than the best offensive prospect available. I can't argue considering the fact that Kubiak comes from a system known for taking no name backs and making them all pros. We needed just as much help on defense as offense. The team is better either way. Do not go around thinking that just because Mario wasn't your #1 pick, means that he is terrible. He will be a good pleyer, and possibly great. The same thing can be said for Reggie.

thunderkyss
05-12-2006, 07:08 PM
"the likes of Ray Lewis, Roy Williams, John Lynch, or Mario Williams...."

Right..........Let's pay $54 million for NOT Ray Lewis, NOT Roy Williams, NOT John Lynch, but Mario Williams is okay? You're giving that cash up to someone at No. 1 - at least make it worthy of the talent. Bush is - Mario isn't. He had one half of one good season.

Is Peyton Manning worth $10 million a year?? Most NFL teams, will say yes.. most GMs, most coaches will gladly pay Peyton Manning $10 million a year, to play QB for their team.

Bill Parcells wouldn't...... or whatever coach it is, that thinks you can win a superbowl with a bus driver @ QB........ Billick maybe....

We've got a system, and while not any running back can be successful, it is too easy to find someone who will. So easy, that it is unlikely that we will ever pay anyone more than $4 million/year to do so.... we might sign someone to a contract like that........ but that player will be moved shortly afterwards...... it'll be a $4 million+ a year deal, with a decent bonus, and said player will be gone.

Let's look at the Denver Broncos, and see who is making money. This is from 2003, I can't find anything more recent.
Denver Broncos
2004 NFL Salaries

Ferguson, Nick ..............$1,060,000...........Safety
Hayward, Reggie .............$1,372,800...........DE
Droughns, Reuben............$1,400,000...........RB
Watts, Darius..................$1,495,000...........WR
Neil, Dan........................$1,575,000...........OL
Johnson, Ellis..................$1,764,706............DT
Johnson, Raylee...............$1,765,500...........DE
Bell, Tatum.....................$1,950,000...........RB
Foster, George................$1,961,250...........OL
Stephens, Jamain............$10,000................OL
Baker, Jason...................$107,059..............P
Green, Louis....................$129,026.............LB
Eason, Nick.....................$13,050...............DT
Reese, Johnathan............$13,529................RB
Johnson, BJ....................$136,666..............WR
Adams, Charlie.................$148,929.............WR
Miree, Brandon.................$159,065.............RB
Sapp, Cecil......................$165,744.............RB
Van Pelt, Bradlee..............$170,900.............QB
Mauck, Matt....................$180,859.............QB
Smith, Rod......................$2,762,001...........WR
Jackson, Nate..................$209,647.............WR
Alexander, Roc................$250,000..............CB
Williams, DJ.....................$3,200,000...........LB
Lynch, John....................$3,263,100...........S
Nalen, Tom.....................$3,805,500...........OL
Griffin, Quentin................$306,400.............RB
Luke, Triandos.................$309,650.............WR
Pierce, Terry...................$309,700..............LB
Young, Chris....................$310,100.............S
Alexander, PJ...................$310,500.............OL
Johnson, Kyle..................$320,500.............RB
Palepoi, Anton.................$345,294.............DE
Shoate, Jeff....................$346,340.............CB
Stuber, Tim.....................$35,882...............OL
Brandon, Sam..................$384,800.............S
Herndon, Kelly..................$384,900.............CB
Davis, Dorsett..................$385,300.............DT
Sykes, Jashon.................$385,300..............LB
Walls, Lenny....................$385,500.............CB
Pope, Monsanto................$385,500.............DT
Putzier, Jeb.....................$385,500..............TE
Chukwurah, Patrick...........$395,500..............LB
Lepsis, Matt.....................$4,000,000...........OL
Weaver, Jed.....................$500,000.............TE
Fatafehi, Mario.................$509,400..............DT
Lelie, Ashley.....................$525,000.............WR
Veal, Demetrin..................$53,824...............DE
Carlisle, Cooper.................$539,700.............OL
Kanell, Danny....................$539,900.............QB
Anderson, Mike.................$540,000..............RB
Middlebrooks, Willie............$550,000.............CB
Leach, Mike......................$565,500.............LS
LeSueur, Jeremy................$598,000.............CB
Pryce, Trevor....................$6,050,000..........DE
Kennedy, Kenoy................$605,200.............S
Spragan, Donnie................$633,100.............LB
Hamilton, Ben...................$633,500..............OL
McNeal, Bryant.................$65,250................DE
Plummer, Jake..................$668,650...............QB
Clabo, Tyson....................$68,809................OL
Hape, Patrick...................$689,900...............R B
Wilson, Al........................$7,043,100............LB
Bailey, Champ..................$7,509,150............CB
Elam, Jason.....................$760,000...............K
Coleman, Marco...............$786,200...............DE
Hearst, Garrison................$788,100..............RB
Elliss, Luther.....................$802,800..............D T
Carswell, Dwayne..............$840,294..............TE
Green, Cornell..................$940,200...............OL


The Link (http://www.theredzone.org/2004/salaries/showteam.asp?Order=TotalSalary&team=Broncos)

So, $54 million. minus the bonus..... $26.4 million equals... $27.6 million. Divide that over 6 years, that avgs..... $4.6 million a year. $54 million divided by 6 years, avgs $9 million a year. Do you see anyone on this team, who is making between $4.6 million/year, and $9 million a year?? any one at all??

Do you see any running backs making anything close to $4 million a year??

Surely Clinton Portis was getting paid right?? I mean he rushed for over 1500 yards the previous two seasons..... averaging 5.5 yards per carry. He added 300 yards recieving both years also, and avg'd 15 TDs a season...
But:
Portis was scheduled to make $380,000 next season and $455,000 in 2005, a bargain price for a top running back. Portis' unhappiness with Denver's unwillingness to negotiate a new contract precipitated the trade talks.

The Redskins gave Bailey permission to talk to other teams and designated him as their franchise player last month. Bailey's contract expires this week, and he and the Redskins never came close to agreement on a new deal.


They refused to renegotiate a new Contract with Portis (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7133179), but turned right around, and paid Bailey, $7 million/year

Terrell Davis was getting paid a little more than $4 million, but he was asked to restructure. (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/20030226-1841-fbn-broncos-davis.html)

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 07:12 PM
So, $54 million. minus the bonus..... $26.4 million equals... $27.6 million. Divide that over 6 years, that avgs..... $4.6 million a year. $54 million divided by 6 years, avgs $9 million a year. Do you see anyone on this team, who is making between $4.6 million/year, and $9 million a year?? any one at all??

Do you see any running backs making anything close to $4 million a year??

Surely Clinton Portis was getting paid right?? I mean he rushed for over 1500 yards the previous two seasons..... averaging 5.5 yards per carry. He added 300 yards recieving both years also, and avg'd 15 TDs a season...

Terrell Davis was getting paid a little more than $4 million, but he was asked to restructure.[/URL]

As my grandfather used to say, "put that in your pipe and smoke it."

texansfaninla
05-12-2006, 07:43 PM
I agree with Doug from the Woodlands aka Honeymoon Is Over wholeheartedly. Who's driving this bus - Stevie Wonder? They sold us on "we didn't even need a running back, but we needed a defensive end even though we just drafted one in the first round last year and signed Weaver this year..." Now they're looking at a running back that will fit the system perfectly? Hit the hole with great speed? HELLOOOOOOO MCFLY! :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

And to the others who keep saying Bush shouldn't be paid this much money...You're giving it to Mario Williams. The same cash. It's got to go somewhere when you have the top pick. That's why you don't waste it on a project who's more likely to fail, versus someone who's more of a sure thing.

I appreciate the research on the Broncos' RB payouts. Nice job. Seriously. But that's not what this is about. It's about what we were sold by the FO as to why they picked Mario over Reggie. Now it's readily apparent that the RB position is, I'd argue, a greater need than the defensive end spot. And you can't pull out the "we shouldn't pay this much to anybody" because you are going to be doing so no matter what when you have the No. 1 pick. It goes with the territory.

Unless, of course, you trade down. Which they freaking could have done with the Jets, and still gotten who they claim to be their guy.

This comes down to ego, plain and simple. Casserly overthinking, plus Kubiak thinking he can make any Quentin Griffin into a Barry Sanders, plus McNair just not having a clue as to how to expand interest in his fledgling franchise, equals disappointed fans.

Again - it's about their logic, which defies...logic.

Kaiser Toro
05-12-2006, 07:47 PM
I agree with Doug from the Woodlands aka Honeymoon Is Over wholeheartedly. Who's driving this bus - Stevie Wonder? They sold us on "we didn't even need a running back, but we needed a defensive end even though we just drafted one in the first round last year and signed Weaver this year..." Now they're looking at a running back that will fit the system perfectly? Hit the hole with great speed? HELLOOOOOOO MCFLY! :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

And to the others who keep saying Bush shouldn't be paid this much money...You're giving it to Mario Williams. The same cash. It's got to go somewhere when you have the top pick. That's why you don't waste it on a project who's more likely to fail, versus someone who's more of a sure thing.

I appreciate the research on the Broncos' RB payouts. Nice job. Seriously. But that's not what this is about. It's about what we were sold by the FO as to why they picked Mario over Reggie. Now it's readily apparent that the RB position is, I'd argue, a greater need than the defensive end spot. And you can't pull out the "we shouldn't pay this much to anybody" because you are going to be doing so no matter what when you have the No. 1 pick. It goes with the territory.

Unless, of course, you trade down. Which they freaking could have done with the Jets, and still gotten who they claim to be their guy.

This comes down to ego, plain and simple. Casserly overthinking, plus Kubiak thinking he can make any Quentin Griffin into a Barry Sanders, plus McNair just not having a clue as to how to expand interest in his fledgling franchise, equals disappointed fans.

Again - it's about their logic, which defies...logic.

Cool, what is the next step?

Revolution
05-12-2006, 07:49 PM
Unless, of course, you trade down. Which they freaking could have done with the Jets, and still gotten who they claim to be their guy.

I don't agree with most of your post, but one thing really stood out:

How many times does it have to be said that the Jets were NOT interested in trading up to the number one spot?

Nevermind that point. All signs were pointing to the Saints selecting Mario or AJ Hawk with the second pick, so there was no guarantee that Mario would have still been there. They wanted one of two players and by staying at number 1, they got one of those two players. We had probably the best draft in our history (can't say for sure, obviously, for a few years) and all the negativity amazes me. It's one thing to be critical, but quite another to go off the deep end like so many have.

BigSaint8050
05-12-2006, 07:55 PM
I don't agree with most of your post, but one thing really stood out:

How many times does it have to be said that the Jets were NOT interested in trading up to the number one spot?

Nevermind that point. All signs were pointing to the Saints selecting Mario or AJ Hawk with the second pick, so there was no guarantee that Mario would have still been there. They wanted one of two players and by staying at number 1, they got one of those two players. We had probably the best draft in our history (can't say for sure, obviously, for a few years) and all the negativity amazes me. It's one thing to be critical, but quite another to go off the deep end like so many have.

Its been reported by several media outlets that New Orleans would have taken Hawk, or tried to trade down, if Houston would have taken Bush.

aj.
05-12-2006, 08:01 PM
When Terrell Davis does it one year, then some scrub named Olandis Gary does it the next, and then some other scrub named Mike Anderson does it the next, why the heyal do you need to pay 50 zillion to a little egomaniac who appears to be more worried about his next marketing deal or what number he's going to wear or who's giving his family money than he is being a team player and helping his new team become a contender.

aj.
05-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Its been reported by several media outlets that New Orleans would have taken Hawk, or tried to trade down, if Houston would have taken Bush.

It was probably reported by even more media outlets that Houston was taking Bush. So ....

Erratic Assassin
05-12-2006, 09:08 PM
They sold us on "we didn't even need a running back, but we needed a defensive end even though we just drafted one in the first round last year and signed Weaver this year..."

Travis Johnson is a DT, not a DE.

BigSaint8050
05-12-2006, 09:14 PM
It was probably reported by even more media outlets that Houston was taking Bush. So ....

Two names, Will Smith (1st round 2004, 16 sacks in two seasons), Charles Grant (1st round 2002, 30 sacks 4 seasons). They are two very good DE's. You also have a quality guy like Tony Bryant behind them in the rotation.

Believe what you want, but the Saints were not taking Mario Williams. It was smoke.

wicked_wayz
05-12-2006, 09:43 PM
We picked the best defensive prospect available rather than the best offensive prospect available. I can't argue considering the fact that Kubiak comes from a system known for taking no name backs and making them all pros. We needed just as much help on defense as offense. The team is better either way. Do not go around thinking that just because Mario wasn't your #1 pick, means that he is terrible. He will be a good pleyer, and possibly great. The same thing can be said for Reggie.[/QUOTE]

exactly wat i was thinkin

swtbound07
05-12-2006, 10:26 PM
the FO has no clue what they are doing....i thought they were happy with the RB situation and that is why they reached on Mario....McNair is now only slightly above Bud in my opinion...this offseason could have been the best ever but for every step forward they take two steps back.

they say they dont need a RB and then they sign A.Smith and now are gonna try and deal for Bennett...who is running this organization?? Cybil?

and to all those drinking the battle red kool aid, picking Mario over Bush is STILL a bad pick irregardless of how much you and the local media have convinced yourselves its not....it was about money and ego..period...dont buy the BS that it was about best player available because clearly that is not the case...Mario got all his sacks v. Duke, Wake Forest and other basketball schools...nuff said

pwned,

doug from the woodlands

Welcome to my banned list

Hulk75
05-12-2006, 10:37 PM
the FO has no clue what they are doing....i thought they were happy with the RB situation and that is why they reached on Mario....McNair is now only slightly above Bud in my opinion...this offseason could have been the best ever but for every step forward they take two steps back.

they say they dont need a RB and then they sign A.Smith and now are gonna try and deal for Bennett...who is running this organization?? Cybil?

and to all those drinking the battle red kool aid, picking Mario over Bush is STILL a bad pick irregardless of how much you and the local media have convinced yourselves its not....it was about money and ego..period...dont buy the BS that it was about best player available because clearly that is not the case...Mario got all his sacks v. Duke, Wake Forest and other basketball schools...nuff said
pwned,

doug from the woodlands
Do some of you really believe the stuff that comes out of your mouths sometimes.

Bush is gone case closed, deal with it.

In the words of THUNDER why not spend 2 million on a fast scat back, instead of 20 million on a fast scat back.

From studying and watching and playing DLine all my life I will tell you this you can not teach the leverage that this 6-7 DE has, it is incredible.......And being 295 he runs like a guy that is 240, and is just as fast as Peppers off the line.And has a lot of power.

TexanBorn51
05-12-2006, 10:44 PM
Hey anyone can score with all their fancy running backs paid high or low speedy or slow but the Texans lost their last five games last year in the fourth quarter and they were ahead. Oh I see we don't need to improve the defense lol. Another scenario is both teams scoring like hell so the team that wins may have a score like 45-35. I guess it was the last one with the ball that scored lol. But if I remember right about scores you can still win games like 3-0 and 7-3 and 7-6 and 45-3 and 35-7 why because of defense. Also Davis has had three 1000 over yards rushing per season. Man some teams would like to have a RB like that on their side inlcuding this year.:fieldgoal

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 10:46 PM
the FO has no clue what they are doing....i thought they were happy with the RB situation and that is why they reached on Mario....McNair is now only slightly above Bud in my opinion...this offseason could have been the best ever but for every step forward they take two steps back.

they say they dont need a RB and then they sign A.Smith and now are gonna try and deal for Bennett...who is running this organization?? Cybil?

and to all those drinking the battle red kool aid, picking Mario over Bush is STILL a bad pick irregardless of how much you and the local media have convinced yourselves its not....it was about money and ego..period...dont buy the BS that it was about best player available because clearly that is not the case...Mario got all his sacks v. Duke, Wake Forest and other basketball schools...nuff said

pwned,

doug from the woodlands

Sure, we could have gotten a great player in Bush but we still got a great player in Mario Williams, and Mario will make more of an immidiate impact at DE than Bush would for us at RB, considering we already have a good and solid one with Dominick Davis. They felt they needed someone to go along with Dominick incase he got hurt and he felt we could use two RBs. A #2 RB isn't going to make as big of an impact as a starting DE and that's why we signed Antowain Smith and drafted Mario Williams.

ClintonPortis26
05-12-2006, 11:03 PM
Micheal Bennet would be so dangerous in that system Kubiak runs. Then bring in Domanick Davis...wow, I'm suprised some of you Texans fans are againts this move.

I could potientially see your future running backs be Micheal Bennet/Wali Lundy.

O.G.
05-12-2006, 11:36 PM
Micheal Bennet would be so dangerous in that system Kubiak runs. Then bring in Domanick Davis...wow, I'm suprised some of you Texans fans are againts this move.

I could potientially see your future running backs be Micheal Bennet/Wali Lundy.

Don't forget about that other back from Syracuse.

TexanBorn51
05-12-2006, 11:40 PM
Don't forget about that other back from Syracuse.
Ah yes Damien Rhodes a sleeper of sleepers maybe. I honestly had not heard of him until they signed him up. Statistics show some very good impression as well as fan appraisal here. Thanks for reminding me of him again after all these RB "s running around here lately.

Porky
05-13-2006, 12:07 AM
Micheal Bennet would be so dangerous in that system Kubiak runs. Then bring in Domanick Davis...wow, I'm suprised some of you Texans fans are againts this move.

I could potientially see your future running backs be Micheal Bennet/Wali Lundy.

I agree, but try talking sense to these DD lovers. Say one thing and it's like you just kissed their wife. :shoot:

thunderkyss
05-13-2006, 12:26 AM
I agree with Doug from the Woodlands aka Honeymoon Is Over wholeheartedly. Who's driving this bus - Stevie Wonder? They sold us on "we didn't even need a running back, but we needed a defensive end even though we just drafted one in the first round last year and signed Weaver this year..." Now they're looking at a running back that will fit the system perfectly? Hit the hole with great speed? HELLOOOOOOO MCFLY!

no, you got it all wrong.... They sold us on the idea, that we didn't need an OT.... a QB...... a DE.... or a LB...... they did everything they could, to make it look like we needed a running back...... they let Hollings & Wells go. We were down to two running backs... they made it clear, that we would be addressing RB in the draft........ that was the smoke, nobody bit.

They said drafting the best DE prospect was the better decision, for the longtime benefit of our team.

And to the others who keep saying Bush shouldn't be paid this much money...You're giving it to Mario Williams. The same cash. It's got to go somewhere when you have the top pick. That's why you don't waste it on a project who's more likely to fail, versus someone who's more of a sure thing.

It's not about nickle and diming a football team together. It's like at work..... it doesn't take much, to find someone to stock the shelves.... that person doesn't make very much..... it takes a little more intelligence to add up the grocery bill, and hand out correct change....... they pay that person a little bit more....... it takes a little more intelligence to schedule the people to come in, how many stockers you need, etc....... that person get's paid more. It takes even more intelligence, to keep the correct amount of merchandise on the shelves....... the right brands..... etc...... that person get's paid even more.

It's about value, and what value a particular position deserves.... The QB is pretty important, he get's a big slice of the salary cap..... the CB is pretty important also..... he gets a big chunk. The DE....... pretty important again...... another big chunk. OT...... OG...... big chunks..... WR...... a good sized chunk...... RB......... not quite so big of a chunk..... not in this system, where we'll get 2000 all purpose yards out of whoever we stick back there.... we'll spend some money at that position, we'll carry 4 running backs...... but no one will get so big a chunk, that we can't keep the total invested under a particular dollar amount. I'm not sure, what that amount is, but I'm thinking alltogether..... Kubiak wants to be at or under $6 mil total for the RB position.

I appreciate the research on the Broncos' RB payouts. Nice job. Seriously. But that's not what this is about. It's about what we were sold by the FO as to why they picked Mario over Reggie. Now it's readily apparent that the RB position is, I'd argue, a greater need than the defensive end spot. And you can't pull out the "we shouldn't pay this much to anybody" because you are going to be doing so no matter what when you have the No. 1 pick. It goes with the territory.

You won't see a TE go #1 overall....... you won't see a punter go #1 overall, and with the exception of Reggie Bush, no one would talk about taking a PR with the #1 overall. The position isn't valued enough to warrant the selection. QB, RB(a 20+ carry, between the tackles, NFL style RB), CB, WR, DE, OT..... those are about the only postions worthy of the #1 overall......... in general. You get a guy like Shanahan, with a successful system, and you can take RB off that list as well........ we hope(I do anyway) that Kubiak is a guy like Shanahan, and he will bring us a system, where a 4th rounder, like Terrell Davis, or Domanick Davis...... will get the yards we need on the ground to be successful.

This comes down to ego, plain and simple. Casserly overthinking, plus Kubiak thinking he can make any Quentin Griffin into a Barry Sanders, plus McNair just not having a clue as to how to expand interest in his fledgling franchise, equals disappointed fans.

Again - it's about their logic, which defies...logic.
Ok...... why would you think that Kubiak can't do exactly what you're saying??

plus......... we sell out every season...... there has never been a blacked out Houston Texans football game........ there are some empty seats..... but they're bought & paid for..... for the most part. There is plenty of interest in "his fledgling franchise" passing on Reggie probably brought even more interest to us, than had we taken him...... imagine how many people(yourself included) will be watching us, in hopes that we fail....

never the less. BobMcNair intendes to put a winning football team on the field, to insure that those seats are full till the last second of the last game of our season....

thunderkyss
05-13-2006, 12:54 AM
Two names, Will Smith (1st round 2004, 16 sacks in two seasons), Charles Grant (1st round 2002, 30 sacks 4 seasons). They are two very good DE's. You also have a quality guy like Tony Bryant behind them in the rotation.

Believe what you want, but the Saints were not taking Mario Williams. It was smoke.
But you drafted Will Smith, when you had Charles Grant, and Darren Howard.... two very good DEs, by most standards.... then you got a DT & a DE in FA, and you still drafted a DE in 2006. Prior to the draft, you had not touched LB, nad you didn't draft a LB...

Texansbacker
05-13-2006, 02:40 AM
The Texans signed Antowain Smith who will relive his Houston Cougar days with a couple good seasons filling in and bashing some helments in relief of Dominck Davis with Morency as a change of pace runner.

The signing of Salaam may be the best signing yet if Salaam can play like he did a few years ago with Kubiak in Denver leading the way for Clinton Portis.

Add to that the resigning of Weigert who must look healthy and ready to go.

Then add Flannigan. Add the two first-day, early round, rookies.

Good veteran/rookie mix to contribute to a revitalized line with bonifide backups and starters.

Finally!

And why not offer a seventh rounder for Bennett and if he takes it he can try and make the team and provide even more competition at the running back position. I bet he can play special teams as well.

Malloy
05-13-2006, 03:55 AM
This comes down to ego, plain and simple. Casserly overthinking, plus Kubiak thinking he can make any Quentin Griffin into a Barry Sanders, plus McNair just not having a clue as to how to expand interest in his fledgling franchise, equals disappointed fans.

I think it comes down to rambling specuation on your part :)

Malloy
05-13-2006, 04:05 AM
]']Were set at running back. Morency is more than capable. If he is coached right he can be devastating.

Maybe it's just me, but Morency has that "it". Maybe I am just impressed by the burst he gets once he gets moving.

More love to Morency, I like it!! :)

BigSaint8050
05-13-2006, 10:15 AM
But you drafted Will Smith, when you had Charles Grant, and Darren Howard.... two very good DEs, by most standards.... then you got a DT & a DE in FA, and you still drafted a DE in 2006. Prior to the draft, you had not touched LB, nad you didn't draft a LB...

We drafted an undersized pass rushing DE in the 5th round, its different then taking one with the #2 pick. Also Darren Howard has not been healthy since his rookie year, there had also been rumors that he was not happy here and wanted out (plus his contract demands were too high).

Also the Saints signed two LBers in free agency (Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons) and they also resigned James Allen.

Honoring Earl 34
05-13-2006, 10:52 AM
Will Smith was the 18th player taken in round one of the 2004 draft .

BigSaint8050
05-13-2006, 11:19 AM
Will Smith was the 18th player taken in round one of the 2004 draft .

Um yeah, I was refering to the DE we drafted this year, Rob Ninkovich.

Waltman
05-13-2006, 11:24 AM
Preseason should be real interesting. Man I can't wait. Make it happen Kube :whip:

Señor Stan
05-13-2006, 11:52 AM
]']Were set at running back. Morency is more than capable. If he is coached right he can be devastating.

Maybe it's just me, but Morency has that "it". Maybe I am just impressed by the burst he gets once he gets moving.


If by "it" you mean a pair of roller skates, then yeah, he has "it." I couldda sworn he brought me my lime slush at Sonic the other day.

GET THAT MAN SOME CLEATS!

TexanFan881
05-13-2006, 11:56 AM
Also the Saints signed two LBers in free agency (Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons) and they also resigned James Allen.

I think those two players will do a good job and make an impact on your defense. I still think though that you really needed to draft a MLB this year.

Bobo
05-13-2006, 01:38 PM
Preseason should be real interesting. Man I can't wait. Make it happen Kube :whip:

The only thing interesting about pre-season is finding someone to give my tickets to for those boring games.

whiskeyrbl
05-13-2006, 02:03 PM
The only thing interesting about pre-season is finding someone to give my tickets to for those boring games.

Well if you really don't want to go e-mail me or pm me I wouldn't mind going. I've never been able to go to a game of the Texans due to my work schedule,have had to settle to watch 3 1/2 quarters on T.V. every Sunday.
e-mail is dturner42@houston.rr.com

cap1
05-13-2006, 02:06 PM
Also the Saints signed two LBers in free agency (Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons) and they also resigned James Allen.


Did he give up his rap career? :sarcasm:

bckey
05-13-2006, 02:30 PM
I agree, but try talking sense to these DD lovers. Say one thing and it's like you just kissed their wife. :shoot:



Just like those Bush lovers.:rolleyes:

thunderkyss
05-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Also the Saints signed two LBers in free agency (Scott Fujita and Anthony Simmons) and they also resigned James Allen.

My remark about the LBs, was that you didn't address LB, till after the draft, through FA..... I'd have thought if you wanted HAwk, you would have gotten one of the other LBs available..... Hawk may have been the best of the lot, but there were plenty more....

If you were blowing smoke....... Bravo.............. good job.

kingh99
05-13-2006, 04:12 PM
Nice try at putting words in my mouth, and taking two different thoughts that are not contridictory, but trying to make it seem so. First off, tell me where I said he was better than Shawn Alexander or Edge? Can you find that because I would sure like to see it. Secondly, I said he isn't special enough to trade for a first day pick for two reasons - His injury history, and the market for RB's just seem to be depressed right now. It's not because of a lack of talent. It's a matter of any supply and demand commodity. That in no way means he isn't better than DD if both are completely healthy. That's why he was a first rd draft choice to DD's 4th - because football experts thought coming into the league one was much better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which. To dispute that Bennett isn't better when healthy just shows your lack of football knowledge and DD homerism. While your point about injury history isn't totally invalid, my point was in comparison IF both are healthy. Chances are at some point both will be nicked up - making my point of needing two good backs more legit, not less. Let me ask you a question. Do you think Kubiak knows more about football than either one of us? If so, and I am wrong, then why is he pursuing a trade to bring him here????

Checkmate :slap:


The one guy that said the FO is acting like Sybil is stating the obvious. WTF is going on? Did it ever occur to anyone that the no luck Texans were blind sided by this conman revelation immediately after passing on the best running back prospect in 20 years. There is going to be a lot of distraction for these two guys DD and Morency since both were named as being victims. You don't know their state of minds but I guarantee you it's not good when you get snookered out of cash. That's the worst for a man.

So don't overlook the possibility the Texans might have once again gotten Boselli'd. They might not have known jack about this scam with their two RB's before the draft. Unlucky franchise but then again when you look at other franchises like the sex cruisers in MN maybe just par for the course. But I can tell you teams want to move players when they have a problem in their home city usually because the player's embarrassed and wants to be traded. I'm sure that was what happened with Culpepper.

BigSaint8050
05-13-2006, 04:26 PM
My remark about the LBs, was that you didn't address LB, till after the draft, through FA..... I'd have thought if you wanted HAwk, you would have gotten one of the other LBs available..... Hawk may have been the best of the lot, but there were plenty more....

If you were blowing smoke....... Bravo.............. good job.

There were only two LBers on the Saints radar, Hawk and Rocky McIntosh. The Saints considered taking McIntoch at #34, but the trade for Faine was too good to pass up. They hoped they would move down and he would still be there, Washington jumped ahead and took him.

Also the addressed LBer before the draft, adding both Fujita and Simmons in the first days of free agency.

Like I said believe what you want, but the Saints were targeting Hawk at #2 if Bush had gone to the Texans. Mario would have still been there at #4.

JAXwithanX
05-13-2006, 05:31 PM
The one guy that said the FO is acting like Sybil is stating the obvious. WTF is going on? Did it ever occur to anyone that the no luck Texans were blind sided by this conman revelation immediately after passing on the best running back prospect in 20 years. There is going to be a lot of distraction for these two guys DD and Morency since both were named as being victims. You don't know their state of minds but I guarantee you it's not good when you get snookered out of cash. That's the worst for a man.

So don't overlook the possibility the Texans might have once again gotten Boselli'd. They might not have known jack about this scam with their two RB's before the draft. Unlucky franchise but then again when you look at other franchises like the sex cruisers in MN maybe just par for the course. But I can tell you teams want to move players when they have a problem in their home city usually because the player's embarrassed and wants to be traded. I'm sure that was what happened with Culpepper.

i don't understand.....at all.

JAXwithanX
05-13-2006, 05:33 PM
There were only two LBers on the Saints radar, Hawk and Rocky McIntosh. The Saints considered taking McIntoch at #34, but the trade for Faine was too good to pass up. They hoped they would move down and he would still be there, Washington jumped ahead and took him.

Also the addressed LBer before the draft, adding both Fujita and Simmons in the first days of free agency.

Like I said believe what you want, but the Saints were targeting Hawk at #2 if Bush had gone to the Texans. Mario would have still been there at #4.

Benson told him so.

kingh99
05-13-2006, 08:00 PM
i don't understand.....at all.

Why are the Texans in the market for so many RB's? What happened? Locker room distraction re this real estate scandal, if that's too strong a word? Kubiak want more replacement pieces for the people who have been here and not won big? I don't know what's going on but it's weird. Either we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they knew the Saints would be forced to unload some good RB's to make room for regggie bush or they are not happy with DD and Morency. This guy would definitely look to replace on these two. Add Lundy and not to mention the 2 FB's and it starts to get crowded. Why? I hope they are able to swing Bennett.

texan279
05-13-2006, 08:03 PM
Why are the Texans in the market for so many RB's? Either we give them the benefit of teh doubt and say they knew the Saints would be forced to unload some good RB's to make room for regggie bush or they are not happy with DD and Morency. This guy would definitely look to replace on these two. Add Lundy and not to mention the 2 FB's and it starts to get crowded. Why? m I hope they are able to swing Bennett.

Look at the way Denver runs it's offense, instead of one great back they use 3-4 serviceable backs. I like the idea, that way if DD gets injured we have serviceable backups ready to go or we could rotate 3-4 RB's and keep them fresh throughout the game.

Bobo
05-13-2006, 08:58 PM
Look at the way Denver runs it's offense, instead of one great back they use 3-4 serviceable backs. I like the idea, that way if DD gets injured we have serviceable backups ready to go or we could rotate 3-4 RB's and keep them fresh throughout the game.

I don't think this is true. They had Terrell Davis as the main guy for years. They also had Droughns, Portis, even Olandis Gary. The Tatum Bell/Mike Anderson thing was an aberration last year. They have the horses in the OL where they can put just about anybody in there, including Griffith, and he will succeed.

mexican_texan
05-13-2006, 10:41 PM
I don't think this is true. They had Terrell Davis as the main guy for years. They also had Droughns, Portis, even Olandis Gary. The Tatum Bell/Mike Anderson thing was an aberration last year. They have the horses in the OL where they can put just about anybody in there, including Griffith, and he will succeed.
Yeah, that's true, but they had a good record with the combination they had last year, which went at least three or four deep. It's too bad they wasted their 3rd pick on Maurice Clarrett, though.

thunderkyss
05-13-2006, 10:49 PM
Yeah, that's true, but they had a good record with the combination they had last year, which went at least three or four deep. It's too bad they wasted their 3rd pick on Maurice Clarrett, though.

but don't get confused into thinking they use a 2 back system. that was a oneback system, While Mike Anderson is getting the job done, he isn't what they want, or he wasn't happy(considering Tatum bell was getting paid 3 times as much)...... But last year, they weren't going to waste their season, to see if Tatum Bell could handle the load. He was eased into the system. He will be the man in Denver for a few years, barring injury.

Texian
05-13-2006, 11:03 PM
The Tatum Bell/Mike Anderson thing was an aberration last year. They have the horses in the OL where they can put just about anybody in there, including Griffith, and he will succeed.
Uh ...they were 2nd in the league in rushing only 7 yards behind Atlanta...another Alex Gibbs zone blocking team that has led the league two years in row since he got there. Their horses are comparitively small to NFL Standards. Not bad for an aberration.

TexanFan881
05-13-2006, 11:13 PM
Are we still even looking at Michael Bennett? There's been no new reports on what is going on with him for a few days and if we were close on something I think we would have heard something by now.

mexican_texan
05-13-2006, 11:17 PM
Are we still even looking at Michael Bennett? There's been no new reports on what is going on with him for a few days and if we were close on something I think we would have heard something by now.
Yeah, I don't want to go through the Moulds thing again. I haven't heard anything, but I'm assuming he'll get here sometime this season.

TexanFan881
05-13-2006, 11:23 PM
Yeah, I don't want to go through the Moulds thing again. I haven't heard anything, but I'm
assuming he'll get here sometime this season.

Going through the wait of getting Moulds was horrible :hide: I think if you look at the thread there were about 3 false reports that we signed and/or completed a trade with him. When it finally went through I still didn't believe it until I saw it on ESPNews. :poker:

SAMURAITEXAN
05-13-2006, 11:41 PM
That Moulds's thread was something else. Didn't it went over 2000post? Please not again!! Make this deal quick if we ever going to make a deal with saints. PLEASE PLEASE

TexanFan881
05-13-2006, 11:43 PM
That Moulds's thread was something else. Didn't it went over 2000post? Please not again!! Make this deal quick if we ever going to make a deal with saints. PLEASE PLEASE

I know it went over 100 pages which is pretty unbelievable.

I defainitely don't see a trade for Michael Bennett thread become as big as a trade for Eric Moulds thread, as I thnk Eric Moulds has performed better in recent years and was a lot bigger of a need for us at the time.

BigSaint8050
05-13-2006, 11:56 PM
Are we still even looking at Michael Bennett? There's been no new reports on what is going on with him for a few days and if we were close on something I think we would have heard something by now.

Clayton reported today that the talks are still on going. One of the reasons the Saints want to move Bennett because he came to New Orleans with the thought he would get to be the #2 guy, they want to give Bennett that opportunity. Right now the Texans and the Dolphins are the two most interested teams, but the Saints have fielded calls from a number of other teams.

TexanFan881
05-14-2006, 12:49 AM
Clayton reported today that the talks are still on going. One of the reasons the Saints want to move Bennett because he came to New Orleans with the thought he would get to be the #2 guy, they want to give Bennett that opportunity. Right now the Texans and the Dolphins are the two most interested teams, but the Saints have fielded calls from a number of other teams.

Thanks for the update. That's what I thought about Bennett too, that he came to New Orleans to be the #2 back. That's why I think he will defainitely get traded and if we are the only one's in trade talks than maybe we can get him for cheap, maybe a 6th or 7th round pick based on performance, like the way Harrington's trade was done.

HOOK'EM
05-14-2006, 02:25 AM
Screw Bennet, get tha Deuce!:drool:

cuppacoffee
05-14-2006, 11:14 AM
I have a feeling that NO wants to trade him a lot more than we want to sign him.

It only gets done if the terms are Texan friendly. There's a new sheriff in town.

JMHO though.

:coffee:

BigSaint8050
05-14-2006, 11:18 AM
Thanks for the update. That's what I thought about Bennett too, that he came to New Orleans to be the #2 back. That's why I think he will defainitely get traded and if we are the only one's in trade talks than maybe we can get him for cheap, maybe a 6th or 7th round pick based on performance, like the way Harrington's trade was done.

Thats the thing, you are not the only one. You and Miami are the most interested but they have fielded calls from at least 6 other teams. The interest is there.

Not don't get me wrong, I don't think a team will break the bank for him (as he just isn't that type player), but I do think they will get a quality player or a mid round pick in exchange for him (4th or 5th).

The Texans are an ideal team, IMHO, not only because Bennett fits so well in their system, but because of the fact you are moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3. Therfore there will be a lot of player movement. A lot of players that the coaching staff feel are "moveable".

Who are some of the DLinement and linebackers you see being let go or graudually fased out? What do y'all see as your starting Dline and LBers next year?

sprtsfanatic
05-14-2006, 11:23 AM
Did it ever occur to anyone that the no luck Texans were blind sided by this conman revelation immediately after passing on the best running back prospect in 20 years.

so what will you be saying next year when adrian peterson comes out?? Lord knows there wasnt much talk about bush the previous year when adrian peterson went off in his freshman year....if he fully recovers from injury and plays to his potential like he has shown he can do....It will be interesting to see what all of you "best back to come out in 10-20 years" will be saying :ohsnap:

BigSaint8050
05-14-2006, 11:38 AM
so what will you be saying next year when adrian peterson comes out?? Lord knows there wasnt much talk about bush the previous year when adrian peterson went off in his freshman year....if he fully recovers from injury and plays to his potential like he has shown he can do....It will be interesting to see what all of you "best back to come out in 10-20 years" will be saying :ohsnap:

So what you are saying is that Houston will be picking #1 again next year?:crutch:

Cause either you will be trading up or picking #1 to get him.

Also, a lot of Bush's apeal was that he is not just a runningback. Peterson is a pure runningback, he doesn't do what Bush does. Not saying he won't be a good player (because I think he will), but he doesn't possess the talent that Bush does. Like I said much of the apeal, the hype, of Bush is because of what he bring to the field.

sprtsfanatic
05-14-2006, 12:02 PM
So what you are saying is that Houston will be picking #1 again next year?:crutch:

Cause either you will be trading up or picking #1 to get him.

Also, a lot of Bush's apeal was that he is not just a runningback. Peterson is a pure runningback, he doesn't do what Bush does. Not saying he won't be a good player (because I think he will), but he doesn't possess the talent that Bush does. Like I said much of the apeal, the hype, of Bush is because of what he bring to the field.

Not quite...if your lucky you'll be picking #1. I heard he already strained his hammy....hmmm I'll let bush bring all of his garbage and his concerns to your team...unfortunately now you all have two things to worry about....rebuilding your city which was a travesty and now dealing with bush (signing, inability to run between the tackles, and what will be his inability to turn the corner vs bigger faster defenses).

And for the record I dont want peterson, just like i dont want bush...i think we have a more than capable stable of backs to run our scheme and you will see it when it hits the field.

nunusguy
05-14-2006, 12:02 PM
The Texans are an ideal team, IMHO, not only because Bennett fits so well in their system, but because of the fact you are moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3. Therfore there will be a lot of player movement. A lot of players that the coaching staff feel are "moveable".

Did not realize the Saints ran a 3-4, as that is what seems to be implied by
your comments that discarded 3-4 Texans no longer useful here would be of
interest to the Saints ?

GP
05-14-2006, 06:05 PM
Going through the wait of getting Moulds was horrible :hide: I think if you look at the thread there were about 3 false reports that we signed and/or completed a trade with him. When it finally went through I still didn't believe it until I saw it on ESPNews. :poker:

WE SIGNED ERIC MOULDS??!!!!

Are you sure?

Where's the link?

BigSaint8050
05-14-2006, 06:19 PM
Not quite...if your lucky you'll be picking #1. I heard he already strained his hammy....hmmm I'll let bush bring all of his garbage and his concerns to your team...unfortunately now you all have two things to worry about....rebuilding your city which was a travesty and now dealing with bush (signing, inability to run between the tackles, and what will be his inability to turn the corner vs bigger faster defenses).

And for the record I dont want peterson, just like i dont want bush...i think we have a more than capable stable of backs to run our scheme and you will see it when it hits the field.

Bush had a tight hamstring in practice. He missed the evening practice. He was back practicing with the team this morning. Oh whoa is the Saints....

The city is coming along fine, as will Bush. He has stated many times that the most important thing, no matter what, is to get in camp on time.

Why does it always have to come down to this. Fans trying to bash the other fans teams? This is just pathetic. Did you ever see my try to diss your team? Your city? Lets grow up a little man.

Hulk75
05-14-2006, 06:20 PM
Just so I dont have to read everything did we trade for him yet or not?

BigSaint8050
05-14-2006, 06:21 PM
Did not realize the Saints ran a 3-4, as that is what seems to be implied by
your comments that discarded 3-4 Texans no longer useful here would be of
interest to the Saints ?

No the Saints are not moving to a 3-4, but then again a lot of the players you have on your team, IMHO were not meant for a 3-4. Players like Travis Johnson, Robaire Smith, even linebackers like Greenwood. But just like every team that rebuilds it comes with a purging of rosters. Thats what I was getting at.

BigSaint8050
05-14-2006, 06:22 PM
Just so I dont have to read everything did we trade for him yet or not?

Not talks have not progressed as of yet.

Hulk75
05-14-2006, 06:23 PM
Not talks have not progressed as of yet.
Thanks............How is Reggie doing?

dat_boy_yec
05-14-2006, 06:24 PM
So who would you take in exchange for Bennet, or what draft pick would you take? Saint fan.

Erratic Assassin
05-14-2006, 07:46 PM
Bennett had 3 games in a row where he broke off runs of 60 yards plus. But...he has been bitten by the injury bug, so we are getting a bit of an unknown...but his talent is unquestioned if healthy. :crutch:

Why does this feel like Tony Hollings all over?