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SDBoltz
09-10-2004, 10:15 PM
ok i can tell you texan fans are confident your going to beat us... but keep a few things in mind..... in 2002 we were 8-8 rolled over you guys and should have been in thee playoffs.... in 2003 it was supposed to be a push year with alot of people picking us to win the division or come in second.....that obviously didnt happen do to injuries and lack of experience.... we played much better at the end of the season once our secondary gained some experience and learned from their mistakes..... i only worry about the johnson sammy davis matchup because of the size issues. although in the pre season against much bigger wr's he did well... but thats pre season..... our conversion to the 3-4 has been a smooth transition and while people think we keep it simple... we actually have some complicated blitzes that we come at you with brees led the pre season in passing.... the defense led the league in sacks we have all pro's liek mike goff and roman oben anchoring our line which is much much better than yours we have donnie edwards and ben leber coming from outside with donnie stuffing the middle with fellow all pro jamal williams....we had no pass rush what so ever last year and that is why our secondary kept getting burned.... l.t. has been known to eat up a 3-4 defense ur better off goin 4 down not that it matters kuz i can guarantee you he is going to run for 150 catch 7-8 passes some 20 or more yard screens and lots of reverses for you to think we are push overs is just foolish... or to expect to win.. you should just be hoping to win.. and expect a dog fight like us our play action fakes will kill your aggresive safeties you think we have no playmakers at wr when erik parker is a superstar rising this year... he has some of the best hands in the league i just wish you would look at the game realisitically and realize that its going to be a close one

HoustonTexans4Life
09-10-2004, 10:52 PM
Yeah Brees really kicked *** against a couple of second and third string defensive players. I watches a few of their games i could prolly do good against some lil kindergarden players as well,,,,,but hey no need to rag on brees i mean look at ALL the success he's had. Plus if ya wanna get down to it yall had a better preseason than us so ya know maybe your right lol: i dunno i guess we'll see sunday !

JDizzle
09-10-2004, 10:57 PM
That is the longest sentence ever in the history of this board, and it's still not finished!

Lucky
09-10-2004, 11:03 PM
ok i can tell you texan fans are confident your going to beat us...
Well, Texan fans are just naturally confident. That happens when your team never loses an opening game. :)

Believe me, you don't have to remind Texans fans about the 1st loss in team history. I pretty sure David Carr remembers being sacked 9 times in the 2nd game in franchise history. Don't expect that the Chargers will walk into the loudest stadium in the NFL with warm applause. Take a pound of flesh, you owe a pound of flesh.

As far as the logic used to explain why the Chargers should win, I'm not following you. The Chargers defense used to be good, now it's not. The team used to be average, now it's not. The Chargers had injuries and...wait, hold it right there. The 2nd year Texans led the NFL in players on IR in '03. And they still had a better record than the Chargers. You can't play the injury card here in Houston, my friend.

Look I respect Tomlinson, he's a great back. Considering the lack of talent around him, his production is legendary. I respect Marty, Wade, and the Chargers coaching staff. Given the time and the talent, I think they'll turn this team around. I don't think they'll get the time, but that's for another time & another thread. The Chargers are rebuilding, just as the Texans have been building for the past 2 seasons. The Texans are just a year or so ahead of the curve than the Chargers are. The Chargers have maybe 3 players on defense, and only 1 player on offense that would start on this Texan team.

Homefield, motivation, talent...the Texans have the edge. I believe in the adage "On any given Sunday..." Just not this Sunday.

HoustonTexans4Life
09-10-2004, 11:06 PM
:thumbup very nice i like lol:

jhawktx
09-10-2004, 11:08 PM
The Chargers are never going anywhere as long as they have Marty as the head coach. He's a loser.

RTP2110
09-10-2004, 11:12 PM
The Texans are favored in this game for a reason, and it's not because SD is the better team. That entire rant could be said by any NFL fan. All teams have injuries. All teams have potential stars that other teams don't know about. Every week there are aspects of a team that you could say the other team is underestimating. I could re-write that whole piece and switch it from Chargers to Texans and make just as many points.

JDizzle
09-10-2004, 11:14 PM
Many folks don't understand what Seau brought to that defense. He is so energetic and a wonderful leader, he made the people around him play harder, and brought a spirit to that defense.

Hopefully for Charger fan, with a renewed fire under Drew Brees' rear end, their offense will pick up some. I really do think that this is going to be a good game. Even though I really want my boys to whip up on the 'Chah-jus", I think it will be a pretty good game.

texasguy346
09-10-2004, 11:14 PM
texans have no chance for a blow out this year because they arent a blowout kinda team no players that are among the top 3 at their position on offense that could open a game wide open.... but the chargers have 1

42-13 chargers tomlinson rushes for 323 breaks the nfl rushing record. Carr gets sacked 8 times loses 3 fumbles chargers convert them all into TD's that is a more likely scenario than some of the nonsense you all have put up

LT breaking the rushing record huh? Exactly which OLinemen is going to help him on his way to doing that? Jamal Lewis has ProBowl LT Ogden helping him out. Don't think you got that on your team. Even your starting center from last year doesn't want to play for your team anymore. Sad state of affairs over in San Diego that is for sure. I'd also like to hear who on your team is capable of getting a sack on Jeff George much less David Carr who has decent mobility. Igor perhaps? Other Charger fans seem to be touting him as if he'll be a pressence as opposed to just another lousy player on a lousy team. Good luck with this coming season because you guys are going to need it. Especially after having your ***** handed to you by the Texans.

SDBoltz
09-10-2004, 11:27 PM
neither team is a dominant team but in today's nfl its about team chemistry and playmaking. any...and i mean any team can make the playoffs if they can get into the right rhythem and get on a roll of winning early...maybe thats why you texan fans are so amped up... just like we are.. its not the nfl of the mid 90's where you could just write certain teams off

Lucky
09-10-2004, 11:30 PM
... l.t. has been known to eat up a 3-4 defense ur better off goin 4 down not that it matters kuz i can guarantee you he is going to run for 150...
Just for grins, I took a gander at Tomlinson's rushing yardage against 34 defenses.

2002
Houston - 84 yards

2003
Baltimore - 105 yards
Pittsburgh - 91 yards

Now, averaging 93 yards/game isn't shabby, but it doesn't spell doom & gloom for the Texans, either. It will take an extraordinary performance from Tomlinson for the Chargers to beat the Texans 34 defense. Not his ordinary performance.

Mike Goff & Roman Oben are All-Pros? Huh?

BTW, did you give yourself a 5 star rating for this thread? Talk about overrated!

RTP2110
09-10-2004, 11:33 PM
Chargers' best bet is to try and get out to an early lead. If they get behind and have to pass it will be a long day. They need to have the lead and be able to feed LT all game long.

Both teams are closely matched, but one important factor being overlooked is the Reliant Stadium advantage. Reliant Stadium is LOUD. Now, I've never been to Arrowhead or any other crazy stadium like that, but I could not imagine it being any louder than Reliant gets. That will be another distraction for S.D.

SDBoltz
09-10-2004, 11:36 PM
LT has the best line this year that he has ever had with all pro mike goff roman oben courtney van buren and toniu fonoti clearing the path for him.... LT will break the single game record this year why not this game.

swisher
09-10-2004, 11:36 PM
I don't get the "we beat you in 2002" argument. What does that prove?

And you know the first sign of denial that your team sucks?....knowing what your defense ranked in the preseason and thinking others will be impressed by it.

texasguy346
09-10-2004, 11:39 PM
One thing I can say for the Chargers is that at least there are a few fans that aren't bandwagon types. It might be like staying with a sinking ship, but you guys seem to be content to go down with it. LT is a great RB, and among the best in the league. Unfortunately for you he is all you have to hang your hat on. If you had a great WR, or even a very good O-Line then you'd have something going in SD, but you don't. I dare say our 4th WR could start for your team right now. Armstrong has been amazing in the preseason, and SD's defense will have the pleasure of meeting him if we go to a 4 wide set. One thing I can gurantee you'll see is plenty of DD running over your guys, and you'll see the improvements that Todd Wade and Mark Bruener bring to the running game. All smack talk aside I just hope you guys show your faces on the board come Monday, and take your just desserts for all the smack you've been spewing. It's the stand up thing to do, and I hope you'll do the stand up thing after losing to the Texans.

SDBoltz
09-10-2004, 11:40 PM
igor is more than capable of killing carr as is ben leber..since he has done it a few times b4 lol and he kinda liked it....adrian dingle is more than capable..... you know steve foley is goin to be jacked up and you know he helped your Def out alot last year.... he wants to murder you guys..... we'll even throw in some corner blitzes i wouldnt be surprised to see drayton florence or quentin jammer gettin a sack or 2

texasguy346
09-10-2004, 11:50 PM
CB blitzes huh? Wow that's a novel trick. Who will cover AJ? Bradford? Gaffney? Guess you haven't seen DD's ability to pick up the blitz, but you'll see it on Sunday. Foley helped us out tremendously did he? That's why he was a starter, and we put so much effort in trying to resign him. Oh thats right he wasn't a starter. He's a quality depth LB, but he couldn't start in Cincy or in Houston yet he can start in San Diego. Must be some nice LB depth there I bet. How bout LT's success against 3-4 defenses? I believe Lucky stated in another post that he averaged 93 yds a game? You're expecting to win the game with 93 yards of rushing? Looks like your shaky passing game is going to have to contribute something. Who are you going to throw to, and how are they going to beat coverage? You've got a rookie kicker, and since when did Oben become an All Pro? Take a look at our O-Line before you start predicting sacks. Todd Wade, Zach Weigert, Steve McKinney, Chester Pitts, and Seth Wand. Add to that TE Bruener and FB Norris and I'd love to know how you plan on getting by those guys. Wand is the only question mark, and he's done well against premeire pass rushers such as Jason Taylor, Simeon Rice, and Trevor Pryce. As I stated before I just hope you Chargers fans show up Monday after your team's loss, and take your just desserts. Good luck with the rest of the season, because you guys will need it.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 12:06 AM
chargers have arguably the best TE in the game in antonio gates and thats not just homer talk. and you know how a corner blitz works so dont play stupid. we have the most depth at linebacker in the afc and thats not just my opinion go on espn and check it out... but thats all paper talk... bottom line is we have more and better playmakers than you... i wouldnt put andre johnson over erik parker... and corey bradford is shut down by jammer so thats a non factor you have no1 like LT nobody does really but you definetly dont... LT can take over a game easily... look at the New england game of 2002... their first loss after winning the SB or ask oakland how hard it is to stop LT. I just think we are a better squad than you i'll be here monday to explain why the texans lost

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 12:09 AM
bottom line is Chargers are better than the texans
padres better than the astros
democrats better than republicans and chargers win

swisher
09-11-2004, 12:11 AM
All smack talk aside I just hope you guys show your faces on the board come Monday, and take your just desserts for all the smack you've been spewing. It's the stand up thing to do, and I hope you'll do the stand up thing after losing to the Texans.

It's weird being on this end of the conversation isn't it?

texasguy346
09-11-2004, 12:15 AM
Parker over AJ? Come on now. Is the smog over LA drifting down to San Diego? I'm sure you'd take Brees over Carr as well. Have fun with your cast offs from other teams (Oben, Foley, etc.) and try and assure yourself that you have starting caliber guys. The savior for your defense is Phillips who was cast off from the hopeless Falcons last season. Exactly how did he help their young secondary last year? If I remember correctly the were torched all season long. I'd give your team a shot of winning if it had a winning organization. Sadly it doesn't have that, and unless you find a way to fire your owner I don't see it changing anytime soon. I guess Eli Manning had no idea of what he was talking about when he refused to go there. Can't say I blame him. Either way I will be glad to see you eat your remarks come Monday, and if you show up then you'll have earned our respect.

texasguy346
09-11-2004, 12:16 AM
bottom line is Chargers are better than the texans
padres better than the astros
democrats better than republicans and chargers win

Might want to tell that to the Wild Card standings. Or to the Giants for that matter. You're not even the 3rd best team in your state. Oakland, San Fran (who have 1 pitcher and 1 hitter), and Dodgers.

Wolf
09-11-2004, 12:18 AM
not sure how the game goes,but I find it hard to believe that the chargers will win
I mean they won 4 games last year? and LT ran for about 1600 yards and caught 100+ balls.. and how did they upgrade from that?
I am not trying to talk smack, but I don't see how they upgraded

RTP2110
09-11-2004, 12:25 AM
It's weird being on this end of the conversation isn't it?

These Charger fans don't understand that we know what it's like to be an underdog, and try to prove to the other team's fans that your team does have a chance to win. We've been doing it for the last 2 years. That's why nobody here is looking past the Chargers. We've beaten a few favored teams on opening days before, we know what can happen.

Lucky
09-11-2004, 12:28 AM
chargers have arguably the best TE in the game in antonio gates and thats not just homer talk.
Who have you been arguing with? Your cat? Gates did have 24 catches & 2 TDs last year. Pretty great, huh? I guess that makes Texan TE Billy Miller (with 40 grabs & 3 TDs) a Hall-of-Famer.

Not just homer talk. I'd call it Monster-Homer talk.

texasguy346
09-11-2004, 12:34 AM
chargers have arguably the best TE in the game in antonio gates and thats not just homer talk.

I guess Todd Heap and Tony Gonzales don't even need to show up this season. :crazy: Gates is a good TE, and he is arguably the 3rd best TE in the AFC. What's with keeping Lemon as a QB anyway? Does your coach have that little faith in his other QBs or are you trying to swing a trade for Flutie? What about Dyson? He must have been in bad shape if he wasn't able to make the Chargers roster as a WR.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 12:44 AM
the amount of talent you have doesnt matter that much it really doesnt.. it matters that your a cohesive team.. the chargers team in 2002 shoulda have went dep into the playoffs but didnt a lesser team in 92 and 94 went deep into the playoffs because they played better together... we had a big play receiver in david boston but that seemed to make us worse. i can honestly say we are more of a team this year than we have been in the past alot of these young guys have grown together these last couple of years through the good and bad and this year i think they will surprise some people including you texan fans

texasguy346
09-11-2004, 12:51 AM
Avoiding your gross exaggerations I see. I won't comment about the Chargers team chemistry because I don't follow them closely enough to comment. I highly doubt you have followed the Texans closely enough to comment on their team chemistry either. That leaves us with talking talent, and talking about 'on paper' scenarios until Sunday. The Texans have shown heart throughout our history, and I feel the team chemistry on our team is great. I'm sure many others will agree with me on that. Have fun watching the game, but unfortunately you won't emerge with a 'W'.

TEXANS84
09-11-2004, 01:07 AM
2002 shoulda have went dep into the playoffs but didnt a lesser team in 92 and 94 went deep into the playoffs because they played better together...

HEY! Its 2004! Not 92, not 94, and definitley not 2002.

Oh and by the way, nice Antonio Gates argument that was quickly shut down by Lucky....

Next?

brickmantexanfan
09-11-2004, 01:28 AM
The Chargers are never going anywhere as long as they have Marty as the head coach. He's a loser.


WHAT HE SAID. :yap

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 01:32 AM
if you deny that gates isnt an elite TE your an ***** or ignorant most likely the latter but its all good. you will find out sunday when your sayin to yourself... wow that was a nice catch or maybe for some of you smug fans a "lucky" catch ha whatever the case is you will know gates talents by the end of this game and just look at the games he started in last year and you will see what i am talking about. actually dont do that just look sunday after he catches a couple td's on you and forces you to take out you 8 and 9 man fronts. brees is an accurate passer i believe he just had an off year last year. and as far as erik parker goes you guys sayin you let him go... why are you clowning yourself anyone with any nfl sense knows that parker is a playmaker.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 01:42 AM
just a question how much did it hurt to see the titans in the super bowl in 99?? not joking just wondering if it was particularly painful and if it still hurts. because i gotta admit back in the early 90's and "the house of pain" with moon givens haywood jeffries you guys had a pretty good squad used to watch em all the time when i was out in sugarland. and do you have a hatred for the titans now???

Wolf
09-11-2004, 01:47 AM
Titans were dead to me after the Oilers changed there name


still, what has S.D. done since 2002 to improve? A rookie QB doesn't hold water, for he is what he is .. a rookie. I guess they have Jammer but you lost willey so we will see how that pass rush is

SHOCKU
09-11-2004, 01:55 AM
Well, Texan fans are just naturally confident. That happens when your team never loses an opening game. :)

Believe me, you don't have to remind Texans fans about the 1st loss in team history. I pretty sure David Carr remembers being sacked 9 times in the 2nd game in franchise history. Don't expect that the Chargers will walk into the loudest stadium in the NFL with warm applause. Take a pound of flesh, you owe a pound of flesh.

As far as the logic used to explain why the Chargers should win, I'm not following you. The Chargers defense used to be good, now it's not. The team used to be average, now it's not. The Chargers had injuries and...wait, hold it right there. The 2nd year Texans led the NFL in players on IR in '03. And they still had a better record than the Chargers. You can't play the injury card here in Houston, my friend.

Look I respect Tomlinson, he's a great back. Considering the lack of talent around him, his production is legendary. I respect Marty, Wade, and the Chargers coaching staff. Given the time and the talent, I think they'll turn this team around. I don't think they'll get the time, but that's for another time & another thread. The Chargers are rebuilding, just as the Texans have been building for the past 2 seasons. The Texans are just a year or so ahead of the curve than the Chargers are. The Chargers have maybe 3 players on defense, and only 1 player on offense that would start on this Texan team.

Homefield, motivation, talent...the Texans have the edge. I believe in the adage "On any given Sunday..." Just not this Sunday.

Sorry Lucky! stats are more than black n white. alot of your injured were back ups anyway.There has never been a team in the NFL history that has had more starters down at the same time than us fortunate chargers.Every starting O-line man includeing 2 backup O-lineman and all 3 recievers at the same time.That was just offense, I don't need to tell you how jacked up we were on D.yes, everyteam deals with injury but we realy got bent over last year on it,so we can play the injury card here.as for one of the other posters,what games are you watching where BREEZ plays third and fouth stringers.He's on the first team and that's who plays against.

P.S. I wish well for the Texans this year too! just not against us....lol Carr is my boy, Go bulldogs!!!

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 01:57 AM
ok first things first our oline is better without a doubt just compare this year's line to last years and you can see that. marcellus wiley has/had talent i dunno what happened to it with just 3 sacks last year there was a reason we let him go 2 of them came in the last game against the raiders. i'm sure igor olshansky will exceed that total not to mention a 10 sack season from ben leber from k state. he has the speed to cover a te and he can attack the qb as he did when you guys came to san diego... we can stop the run. you have a good back.... nothing we havent seen b4 considering we had a division with Lt holmes and portis last year... persoanlly i would rather have charlie garner than DD. but thats just me.. i hope his blitz pick up skills are as good as some of you rave about or else your in for another long day against us

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 02:01 AM
ya there really was no question that brees should be starting i mean rivers looked just like what he is.. a rookie in the pre seasn. and brees looked great. I mean LT didnt play the pre season but still we looked pretty good i know with LT we are that much better. and i know LT with fresh legs in week 1 will run rampant through the texans or anyone's D for that matter

texasguy346
09-11-2004, 02:06 AM
Poor Chargers fans. Can't even get love from the ESPN analysts. Here's the link to their picks. ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent)

Looks like they think as much of your team as we do. Merrill Hoge won't even pick you guys, and he loves RBs like LT.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 02:16 AM
lol who cares who picks who in that case i got 75 people over this way that say the chargers win. personally 4.5 point spread is ridiculous texans are not a good team playoff team maybe because you dont have to be good to make the playoffs nowadays but this is either goin to be a clsoe game or blowout win for the chargers if texans get down by double digits you know marty is goin to pound tomlinson and its not like you stop him for 3 yards and we punt.. he gashes you 7 yards 15 yards and will break 25 plus yard runs every game... i mena he did average 5.3 yards a carry.... getting the ball a ton of times..... so imagine we get the ball first and he just does his average... thats a first down every 2 plays.... and you better hope that doesnt happen because its not like marty is afraid to run 12 straight runs... look at the raiders game last year for more info.. LT will line up in the slot as well... and erik parker will run reverses... he is a great punt returner as well although you can anticipate a punt ret TD unless its dante hall.

texasguy346
09-11-2004, 02:25 AM
Need we remind you of his average against 3-4 teams. Unless you have a cloning machine, and you happen to clone LT a few times then you're team is going to get a loss. You toss up Gates as one of the best TE's in the league, and Lucky shows you otherwise. Whats next? Brees one of the best QBs in the AFC? Or better yet how bout Marty for Coach of the Year? Please. I'm done with the smack talk till game day with you at least. You've already proven yourself a sad excuse for a fan in another post (wishing for injuries to all the Texans players) :thumbdown I can only assume you're wishing for something like this so another team suffers as yours does. If not for ShockU I'd have reason to believe all Chargers fans are as immature and ignorant as you. When you can support your 'one sentence rants' then you'll once again be worthy of a response, but since I don't see that happening anytime soon I'll spend my time addressing intelligent posters.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 02:51 AM
anyways 3-4 defense 4-3 matters not... ok so he got 80 sumthin yards against you last time.. we had the game in the bag. as for what i said earlier it was a joke get over it. and yes i was upset that he only got 105 on the ravens defense.. but then again they are a damn good defense... not to mention he broke 2 ray lewis tackles and drug him for 4 yards. i dont see any ray lewis' or elite players on your teams defense. Certainly noone capable of stopping LT. That's the difference Davis can be stopped LT can be contained to 100 yards or so. The key to the game is who will play the best run defense. The chargers are more likely to do so. I dont see a texans blowout which means he wil lbe a factor the whole game. Last year we were out of so many games by half time he couldnt get his yards. While any team is capable of doing this to another its not likely the texans are going to do this against the lightning boltz

HoustonTexans4Life
09-11-2004, 06:50 AM
chargers have arguably the best TE in the game in antonio gates and thats not just homer talk. and you know how a corner blitz works so dont play stupid. we have the most depth at linebacker in the afc and thats not just my opinion go on espn and check it out... but thats all paper talk... bottom line is we have more and better playmakers than you... i wouldnt put andre johnson over erik parker... and corey bradford is shut down by jammer so thats a non factor you have no1 like LT nobody does really but you definetly dont... LT can take over a game easily... look at the New england game of 2002... their first loss after winning the SB or ask oakland how hard it is to stop LT. I just think we are a better squad than you i'll be here monday to explain why the texans lost

So you think corey will be shut down bye "Jammer" WHO ??? And LT may be good but he miswell be out there by himself. Did i hear you say the best depth at linebacker also ,,,,come on you got one of or BACK UPS from last year on yalls team (key word beign back up) !!!! L.T is gonna feel pretty bad when our Rookie Babin shuts him down cause yalls line sucks. And when Andre and Corey burn yall deep dont be suprised.....So you be sure to be back monday i'll have a new thread going so you can publicy apologize for beign ignorant.

HJam72
09-11-2004, 07:00 AM
anyways 3-4 defense 4-3 matters not... ok so he got 80 sumthin yards against you last time.. we had the game in the bag. as for what i said earlier it was a joke get over it. and yes i was upset that he only got 105 on the ravens defense.. but then again they are a damn good defense... not to mention he broke 2 ray lewis tackles and drug him for 4 yards. i dont see any ray lewis' or elite players on your teams defense. Certainly noone capable of stopping LT. That's the difference Davis can be stopped LT can be contained to 100 yards or so. The key to the game is who will play the best run defense. The chargers are more likely to do so. I dont see a texans blowout which means he wil lbe a factor the whole game. Last year we were out of so many games by half time he couldnt get his yards. While any team is capable of doing this to another its not likely the texans are going to do this against the lightning boltz

Huh? What did he say? How many freakin' mistakes are in this paragraph? I don't mean to just pick on the Bolts guy either, because I think we all need to try a little harder to write legibly. I'm no English teacher, but I try, at least. Remember, we have to read a lot of posts to see what's being said and we don't want to spend so much time deciphering yours (whoever you happen to be). It's excruciating. eek:

HJam72
09-11-2004, 07:05 AM
O yah I wanted to say also that the TXs will kil the boltz they wil win the Sugar Bole they will roll on the Charshers i can feel it you know what i meen im not kiding lt will have 500 yds and they still loos to us wee gon beet dem like san fran did in sb it will happen that coach bits you now im rite about 2moro u wil dye :headbang:

HoustonTexans4Life
09-11-2004, 07:08 AM
Hmm i THINK what he said was that L.T is gonna run all over us,,,,i think he thinks he's Ray Lewis idonno: . Sounds like he said somethink about Davis Getting shut down by a ghost defense or something cause i know that the one they have cant do it. I dunno man you know chargers fans are all a little wacky but thats nuts. God HELP them !!!!

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09-11-2004, 07:38 AM
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Shamrock
09-11-2004, 09:04 AM
As a Chargers fan, I'm embarrassed to say SDBoltz is on my side.

Bubba, get a spell checker. Get some grammatical tutoring ..... ugh ...

I'll be at the game, showing my Bolts' colors. I'll come back in here, win or lose.

I want a clean, injury free game, with a win for my Chargers.

Lucky
09-11-2004, 10:17 AM
Sorry Lucky! stats are more than black n white. alot of your injured were back ups anyway.There has never been a team in the NFL history that has had more starters down at the same time than us fortunate chargers.
Huh? I just checked how many games the Chargers starters missed last year:

Vaughn Parker - RT - 13 games
Jason Ball - C - 8 games
Soloman Page - RG - 6 games
Damon McIntosh - LT - 4 games
David Boston - WR - 2 games
Raylee Johnson - RDE - 7 games (and Dingle had won the RDE spot anyway)
Jamal Williams - LDT - 1 game

If your point is that the Chargers missed these guys so badly last season that they only won 4 games, I ask what's changed? Jamal Williams is the only player San Diego brought back, and he missed a grand total of 1 game.

In contrast, take a look at some of the players the Texans missed last year.

Seth Payne - NT - 14 games
Gary Walker - DE - 12 games
Aaron Glenn - CB - 5 games (and hobbled all year with a nagging hamstring)
David Carr - QB - Missed all or parts of 7 games

Those aren't throwaway players, that's the heart of the team. And yes, the Texans lost backups to injury. Do you think that's OK? Tony Banks went down while subbing for Carr, the Texans had to start their 3rd string rookie QB for 2 games. CB Kenny Wright went down while subbing for Glenn, then Petey Faggins went out subbing for Wright. How about having to play your 4th string CB? Not to mention when reserves like Ramon Walker are lost, that doesn't exactly help the special teams.

The 5-11 Texans could and probably would have won more games without the massive injury toll. The Chargers were going to be a 4-12 team, regardless. Losses like Page and Vaughn are so inconsequential, it's ridiculous. These guys are no longer in the league. Comparing the Chargers injuries in '03 to the Texans injuries is laughable.

Jwwillis
09-11-2004, 10:18 AM
bottom line is Chargers are better than the texans
padres better than the astros
democrats better than republicans and chargers win

Yet another brainwashed 21yr old Californian. The land of the brainless zombie.

Awsome post BTW Lucky.

beerlover
09-11-2004, 10:41 AM
This will be the BEST TEXANS team to date, season opener, home game. If you mean the sky is falling it could be Hurricane IVAN, but that would be Florida. The last I checked this is tomorrows forcast- Sunday: Sunny, with a high around 94. East wind around 5 mph.

I really hope for some competitivness it makes the drama more intriquing, we want the Chargers and their fans to have hope & purpose because in the end that will make it more enjoyable spanking em :slap:

Fiddy
09-11-2004, 10:48 AM
just a question how much did it hurt to see the titans in the super bowl in 99??No, my avatar for a couple of months was Kevin Dyson getting tackled at the goal line...

But back to the Chargers vs. Texans
(Didnt see this stat posted but you will laugh and wont be surprised)

Andre Johnson, in his rookie season, had more receptions and yards then the two WRs the Chargers are going to start Sunday (according to the depth chart on your offical site) in their entire careers!!!

AJ last year - 1 year, 66 rec., 976 yards
Caldwell and Parkers career stats combined - 4 years, 65 rec., 800 yards
:rofl:

RTP2110
09-11-2004, 11:10 AM
if you deny that gates isnt an elite TE your an ***** or ignorant most likely the latter but its all good. you will find out sunday when your sayin to yourself... wow that was a nice catch or maybe for some of you smug fans a "lucky" catch ha whatever the case is you will know gates talents by the end of this game and just look at the games he started in last year and you will see what i am talking about. actually dont do that just look sunday after he catches a couple td's on you and forces you to take out you 8 and 9 man fronts. brees is an accurate passer i believe he just had an off year last year. and as far as erik parker goes you guys sayin you let him go... why are you clowning yourself anyone with any nfl sense knows that parker is a playmaker.

Hey I admire your passion, most people would have given up by now on trying to sell thier players to the other teams fans. You just need to see thing a little more realistically, and lose some of that homerism. Gates isn't all that great. Heap and Gonzalez are better, and I'd even take Winslow over Gates. Brees is not a good QB, if he was you guys would not have drafted a QB with your 1st pick. Stop acting like San Diego is the All-Madden team and that Houston is still 1st year expansion.

FirstTexansFan
09-11-2004, 12:04 PM
And my daddy can beat your daddy up! Neener neener boo boo.... :rofl: Texans 28
SD 10

rittenhouserobz
09-11-2004, 12:13 PM
I have to admit this is the most comical thread I have read in a while. :)

Hottoddie
09-11-2004, 01:32 PM
I'm going out on a limb here & predict.....

Texans 45 Losers 10

:popcorn: :headbang: :hehe:

Vinny
09-11-2004, 01:35 PM
I think this will be a very close game. Both coaches like to play conservative running football. I'd expect more of a 21-18 game.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 01:44 PM
Gates is a good tight end, certainly better than any TE that you have. I can't say he is better than Heap or Gonzalez yet, but by the end of the season I will be able to. You have no linebackers that can cover him. Ya i know you have Sharper and I also know he is not as fast as Gates on the field nor as big. We run alot of trick plays reverses things of that sort. I can tell alot of you are expecting it to be a traditional smash mouth football game. If that is the Texans thinking they are in for a rude awakening. We have fake field goals that will blow your mind and make you red in the face. We have reverses fake reverses double reverses flea flickers every series, which also helps open holes for tomlinson keeping the LB's back on their heels. Either way I dont see the Texans winning this one, our style is something that you cant prepare for.

Jwwillis
09-11-2004, 01:47 PM
Gates is a good tight end, certainly better than any TE that you have. I can't say he is better than Heap or Gonzalez yet, but by the end of the season I will be able to. You have no linebackers that can cover him. Ya i know you have Sharper and I also know he is not as fast as Gates on the field nor as big. We run alot of trick plays reverses things of that sort. I can tell alot of you are expecting it to be a traditional smash mouth football game. If that is the Texans thinking they are in for a rude awakening. We have fake field goals that will blow your mind and make you red in the face. We have reverses fake reverses double reverses flea flickers every series, which also helps open holes for tomlinson keeping the LB's back on their heels. Either way I dont see the Texans winning this one, our style is something that you cant prepare for.

:rofl: Oh boy this just keeps getting better and better!

Grid
09-11-2004, 01:51 PM
i said that it would be 44 - 17 .. with the Texans owning em.. but I doubt it will happen since Capers just doesnt seem like the kind of coach who is going to blow another team out.. he is too defensively minded. He will get up by 10 points then do everything he can to run the clock out so the other team cant catch up.

But ya never know.. DD looked awesome and i wouldnt be surprised to see him break some BIG runs this sunday.

As for this whole "debate".. I dont really have anything to add. Everyone before me has pretty much summed it up.. The chargers dont have anything going for them except for LT. Which doesnt mean that they couldnt pull out a win.. but for the chargers to do that, the Texans would have come to the game unprepared to play. Honestly.. I dont see that happening.. we have too much heart, too much to prove, and Capers is too smart to let that happen.

We are gonna come out of this one with the W.

Jacksonville will lose to either Buffalo or the Broncs. The titans will beat the dolphins today, and the Colts will beat the Titans in week 2.

we will beat the Lions and that will put us at 2-0 and everyone else at 1-1 :).. we will be leading the division coming into week 3.

HJam72
09-11-2004, 01:58 PM
We have fake field goals that will blow your mind and make you red in the face. We have reverses fake reverses double reverses flea flickers every series, which also helps open holes for tomlinson keeping the LB's back on their heels. Either way I dont see the Texans winning this one, our style is something that you cant prepare for.

Fake field goal equals incomplete pass or dead kicker.

Reverse equals a whole lot of running for 1 yd.

Double reverse equals fumble and dead receiver. What, they're gonna fake us out and then run right back into us, lol?

Flea flicker is just a fake handoff that takes too long. It's usually a bad play.

No offense, but, hey, you should try the statue of liberty play too.




:rofl:

RTP2110
09-11-2004, 02:01 PM
No offense, but, hey, you should try the statue of liberty play too.




:rofl:


Yea and maybe on every kickoff they can run the Stanford-Cal play and lateral it 7or 8 times. We better look out for that one too.

HJam72
09-11-2004, 02:06 PM
Yea and maybe on every kickoff they can run the Stanford-Cal play and lateral it 7or 8 times. We better look out for that one too.

I think the best team tends to want to play straight up football, for the most part, but I wouldn't complain about our team doing anything to win against, say, the Patriots or somebody.

DominatorDavis
09-11-2004, 02:21 PM
First it was all pro offensive lineman that Charger fans were pimping. That was shot down. Then it was a better starting Charger line-up then the Texans. That too was shot down. Then it was a second round rookie linebacker and a tight end that we are to "be in fear of". Hmm yeah, that was shot down as well. Now the best that they have in their verbal arsenal is trick plays, double reverses, and fake field goals that will "blow our minds".

ooooooh.

Is there a pattern here? All good post by Fiddy, Lucky, and Vinny btw

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 02:30 PM
we rarely run a reverse that doesnt get us a first down or more or an end around. if you want to think we are going to get 1 yard per reverse go ahead and think that, it will be your undoing.

DominatorDavis
09-11-2004, 02:34 PM
we rarely run a reverse that doesnt get us a first down or more or an end around. if you want to think we are going to get 1 yard per reverse go ahead and think that, it will be your undoing.

That was bloody awful. No spelling errors though.

99FirehawkTA
09-11-2004, 02:41 PM
lol:


this thread is freaking hilarious!!!!

I cant wait to see if these guys come back sunday night to eat crow.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 02:50 PM
That was bloody awful. No spelling errors though.

what is this grammer school you prissy lil texan fans are gonna get raped by us tomorrow. We are going to flood your board and gloat. It's real cute though that you try to build your confidence bu attacking my grammar which has what to do with football again?? Hell lester hayes couldn't speak but he won a SB

Fiddy
09-11-2004, 02:53 PM
Boltz, can you please tell me what positions you are better then us at except RB, because I already know that LT is the best back in the league. What positions do the Chargers have superior talent to the Texans???

phan1
09-11-2004, 02:55 PM
We downright have you beat in terms of personel. DD shouldn't be underrated in this game. Our recieving should absolutely have an advantage over you recieving core. And as for stopping LT? Last season's record says it all. LT can't do it all by himself. Who else is going to make a play besides LT, on offense or defense? I see no big-time players on either side of the ball.

But to the Charger's credit, I think Brees can be a legit starting QB in the NFL. If he was playing on another team with some sort of recieving core, I think he'd be OK. No worse than, say, Fiedler of the Dolphins.

Lucky
09-11-2004, 02:56 PM
OK folks, let's stop with the grammar remarks. If you can't understand what someone has posted, don't bother to respond & move on.

99FirehawkTA
09-11-2004, 02:57 PM
Boltz, Can you please tell me what positions you are better then us at except RB, because I already know that LT is the best back in the league. What positions do the Chargers have superior talent to the Texans???

*jeopardy music*

Ill take 0 for the farm alex.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 03:28 PM
our special teams are better. our TE is better our RB is better. Our QB is better. Yes Brees is better than CArr and you will see tomorrow. Our O line is better our Linebacking core is better. Our Secondary is better. If you don't know Quentin Jammer or Sammy Davis you quickly will. Donnie edwards or Jamie sharper? I take Mr. Edwards. Ben Leber could put Carr out for the game, but Carr is a tough guy so I dunno. I am sure he will sack him though most likely a few times. Our DT is an all pro in Jamal Williams. I know Chester Pitts pretty well actually. I also know that he is not an elite oline man and wand.... nuff said. Your Kicker may be better I don't know guess we will find that out as the season goes along.

FirstTexansFan
09-11-2004, 03:31 PM
Actually, we'll find out tomorrow...till then...ta ta :)

tsquared
09-11-2004, 03:34 PM
sdboltz makes a few claims...
Chargers better than Texans...wonder where that comes from...seems to me they drafted higher than us in April indicating last years win total not matching the Texans...he earlier claimed injuries as the reason for their decimated season. I wonder if he realizes that no team had more players on injured reserve in '03 than the Texans. Seems to me that based on recent history the Chargers better than the Texans argument holds no water....but Sunday should settle that talk for at least this year.

He also states Padres better than Astros...a quick look at this mornings Wild Card standings indicates the Friars 1 1/2 game behind the 'Stros in that race...hmmm...another wildly non-fact based claim.

And Dems better than Repulicans...polls don't show his team leading that race either....

0 for three...Bolts fans take the collar in the Bullpen and Texans win 24-14 at Reliant.....

Go Texans!!

Fiddy
09-11-2004, 03:48 PM
our special teams are better. our TE is better our RB is better. Our QB is better. Yes Brees is better than CArr and you will see tomorrow. Our O line is better our Linebacking core is better. Our Secondary is better. If you don't know Quentin Jammer or Sammy Davis you quickly will. Donnie edwards or Jamie sharper? I take Mr. Edwards. Ben Leber could put Carr out for the game, but Carr is a tough guy so I dunno. I am sure he will sack him though most likely a few times. Our DT is an all pro in Jamal Williams. I know Chester Pitts pretty well actually. I also know that he is not an elite oline man and wand.... nuff said. Your Kicker may be better I don't know guess we will find that out as the season goes along.I dont know how your special teams are better, Stanley has led the league in punts downed inside the 20 for the last two years and Brown has been really accurate since leaving Pittsburg. And arent you guys starting rookies at the Punter and Kicker position??? I'll give you Gates is better the Miller or Bruener, individually, but I would rather have Miller and Bruener then just Gates. If Brees is so good, why did they trade for Rivers??? Who are your two safties in the secondary??? And with Jammer and Davis you guys gave up more TD passes then any other team last year and it wasnt close. Sharper had more sacks, tackles, and forced fumbles then Edwards, and Edwards is moving from OLB to ILB in the 34. Wong and Leber had the same number of sacks last year. You guys even released your best defensive player in Marcus Weily. And do you remember that Glenn went to the probowl 2 years ago and that Coleman tied for the AFC lead for INTs and D-Rob was a higher rated prospect coming out of college then Davis??? And dont forget that Faggins shut down Marvin Harrision last year until he broke his leg. I'd take Wand and Pitts over the left side of your line...


Plus, this game is won in the trenches and our O-line and D-line are clearly superior to the Chargers' and if you try to argue that the Chargers lines are better, I am going to be forced to put you on my ignore list...

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 03:51 PM
lol if you vote for bush your in an idi0t but that is a whole different issue. Tomorrow it will all be settled, I will be here one way or another because I am a good sport. Please believe I will be giving it to you when the chargers win.
Padres own the Astros, whooped up on Clemens whooped up on pettite whoope up on the Astros. They do say its not who you play but when you play them... and on Paper the astros are a good team.

But back to football where San Diego will beat another Houston squad.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 03:57 PM
First Off are D Coordinator has been an ***** the last 2 years. An overrated Marcellus Wiley and an injured Raylee Johnson never put pressure on the qb. So our db's would get torched. With more pressure on the qb this year our CB's will show why they are first round picks.

Fiddy
09-11-2004, 03:59 PM
First Off are D Coordinator has been an ***** the last 2 years. An overrated Marcellus Wiley and an injured Raylee Johnson never put pressure on the qb. So our db's would get torched. With more pressure on the qb this year our CB's will show why they are first round picks.Who excatly is suppose to apply the pressure. Steve Foley??? Trust me when I say that to be able to get pressure in a 3-4, you need a big line that can occupy mulitple o-lineman and yall dont have that.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 04:38 PM
i guess igor olshansky at 6-6 309 is a small guy huh....all muscle at that... i guess all pro jamal williams at 6'3 305 is a small guy... or how about adrian dingle at 6'4 288 he's pretty small too... not to mention our lb's are fast. I am out for now. I may come on later if not good luck to all of you and your team. May the best team (chargers) win :hehe:

SHOCKU
09-11-2004, 04:58 PM
Huh? I just checked how many games the Chargers starters missed last year:

Vaughn Parker - RT - 13 games
Jason Ball - C - 8 games
Soloman Page - RG - 6 games
Damon McIntosh - LT - 4 games
David Boston - WR - 2 games
Raylee Johnson - RDE - 7 games (and Dingle had won the RDE spot anyway)
Jamal Williams - LDT - 1 game

If your point is that the Chargers missed these guys so badly last season that they only won 4 games, I ask what's changed? Jamal Williams is the only player San Diego brought back, and he missed a grand total of 1 game.

In contrast, take a look at some of the players the Texans missed last year.

Seth Payne - NT - 14 games
Gary Walker - DE - 12 games
Aaron Glenn - CB - 5 games (and hobbled all year with a nagging hamstring)
David Carr - QB - Missed all or parts of 7 games

Those aren't throwaway players, that's the heart of the team. And yes, the Texans lost backups to injury. Do you think that's OK? Tony Banks went down while subbing for Carr, the Texans had to start their 3rd string rookie QB for 2 games. CB Kenny Wright went down while subbing for Glenn, then Petey Faggins went out subbing for Wright. How about having to play your 4th string CB? Not to mention when reserves like Ramon Walker are lost, that doesn't exactly help the special teams.

The 5-11 Texans could and probably would have won more games without the massive injury toll. The Chargers were going to be a 4-12 team, regardless. Losses like Page and Vaughn are so inconsequential, it's ridiculous. These guys are no longer in the league. Comparing the Chargers injuries in '03 to the Texans injuries is laughable.

Don't stop there!!!!! you only printed half our list.If your going to spout out stats then do the whole thing.Just like someone in denial to take half the truth and twist it into there own story.I was responding to when you guy's said you had more guy's injured than us.FALSE!! not true!!!! even your lies are big in Texas.

Vinny
09-11-2004, 05:05 PM
I was responding to when you guy's said you had more guy's injured than us.FALSE!! not true!!!! even your lies are big in Texas. The Texans had the most players on IR in the NFL last year. That's not even debatable. It's a fact.

tsquared
09-11-2004, 05:14 PM
The Texans had the most players on IR in the NFL last year. That's not even debatable. It's a fact.

Vinny...with them arguing the real numbers it become painfully obvious why California is referred to as the land of Fruit and Nuts... :rofl:

Jwwillis
09-11-2004, 05:24 PM
Kinda nice having the homers come in and stirr the pot. Although, I'm missing the grief we get from the real contenders. They don't have to ignore the stats to make there points. It does get frustrating trying to convince the blind left of the obvious. :crazy:

RTP2110
09-11-2004, 06:22 PM
Clark Judge's Thought on S.D......

I'm sorry, but unless you have LaDainian Tomlinson on your fantasy football team or are related to Drew Brees, there's not much reason to watch the Chargers. They should be awful, and this is their first opportunity to prove it.

CBS Sportsline (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7666737)

ColdSteelBlue
09-11-2004, 07:18 PM
NEWSFLASH......

Former Dolphins RB and complete moron Ricky Williams was sighted in San Diego, smoking some wacky weed with Charger fans. Several smokers of the laced weed were reported as bieng delusional. Ricky wanted to be with others that shared his delusions of adequacy.

aj.
09-11-2004, 08:10 PM
Hanik Milligan, Toniu Fonoti, Eric Parker, Tim Dwight, and Courtney Van Buren were all on the Chargers IR last year and aren't mentioned above.

The Texans had 17 guys on IR but 1/4 of those wouldn't have made the team anyway and were hurt in training camp (Herndon, Dennis, Lorenti, Lynch). Even though the Texans had a lot of injuries, that stat was always a little overused to me.

Arguing about who had more injuries last year is kind of a moot point right about now, doncha think?

Low Life
09-11-2004, 08:20 PM
Not that it matters because all in all this is last year that i'm talking about and tomorrow's gonna be the texans future and the charger's after life but Lucky failed to include on his injury report that DD didn't start for the first 6 games. tisk tisk.

DominatorDavis
09-11-2004, 08:24 PM
The Chargers waterboy, one of the members of the turf crew, and a fellow who sells cotton candy in the stands during SD home games were all injured as well.

The team was decimated. It was just awful.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 08:40 PM
ok I will be here tomorrow around 9 am or so PST And will make a thread called Boltz vs Texans look for it so I can see all your ptetty lil avatar's crying.

TexanDave
09-11-2004, 10:09 PM
ok I will be here tomorrow around 9 am or so PST And will make a thread called Boltz vs Texans look for it so I can see all your ptetty lil avatar's crying.

You will probably be the only one here. Most of us will be at the game.

SDBoltz
09-11-2004, 10:13 PM
i dunno i'm sure there will be a few leftovers wo couldnt get or afford a ticket. either way whoever is here were going to have fun talkin smack during the game

DominatorDavis
09-11-2004, 11:05 PM
ok I will be here tomorrow around 9 am or so PST And will make a thread called Boltz vs Texans look for it so I can see all your ptetty lil avatar's crying.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=define%3A+avatar

Avatar: Definition - From the Sanscrit for the incarnation of Godhead, an avatar is the 'body' you 'wear' in a virtual community - an animated, articulated representation of a human which represents you, the user, in any virtual environment. Some of the more sophisticated chat rooms provide the facility to 'chat' over the 'net via the visual representation of interacting human forms.

Also:

An avatar is a graphical representation of a person, which you can use in some 3D style chat rooms. Each person in the chat room chooses an avatar to represent themselves.

I do not think that you are using that word correctly. Unless are applying it to "SDBoltz" as well. And then in that case - it is "pretty" and it is little. And after tomorrows game you will be crying.

Looking forward to your thread - it should be entitled "How the Texans whooped us...by SDBoltz.

HoustonTexans4Life
09-11-2004, 11:36 PM
just a question how much did it hurt to see the titans in the super bowl in 99?? not joking just wondering if it was particularly painful and if it still hurts. because i gotta admit back in the early 90's and "the house of pain" with moon givens haywood jeffries you guys had a pretty good squad used to watch em all the time when i was out in sugarland. and do you have a hatred for the titans now???


YES WE hate the titans yean it wasnt a good feeling how as soon as they left here they went to the superbowl,,,but we'll beat them this year . miami sucks so their win over them dont mean shizit.

SHOCKU
09-12-2004, 04:38 AM
Hanik Milligan, Toniu Fonoti, Eric Parker, Tim Dwight, and Courtney Van Buren were all on the Chargers IR last year and aren't mentioned above.

The Texans had 17 guys on IR but 1/4 of those wouldn't have made the team anyway and were hurt in training camp (Herndon, Dennis, Lorenti, Lynch). Even though the Texans had a lot of injuries, that stat was always a little overused to me.

Arguing about who had more injuries last year is kind of a moot point right about now, doncha think?

Extreemly moot point but again I was responding,I didn't start the thread.You said exactly what I said earlier.1/4 of your injuries wouldn't of made the team or they were back ups.The ones that did start were not out at the same time.My point! over 95% of our injured were starters and 9 of them were out at the same time! ESPN last season also talked about how unfortunant that was for the chargers and it was a first in NFL history that many starters out at the same time.

p.s.Guy's if we can't talk football please do not respond.Yes, I am from L.A. born and raised and if we were just going to talk smack all of those who just wanted to sound cool with sarcasm please belive me when I tell you they weren't even funny and you make yourself out to be realy easy targets.My jr.high days are over and choose to talk sports.Just like Shamrock I'll be in here win or lose tomarrow.We will win though = )

aj.
09-12-2004, 05:17 AM
The ones that did start were not out at the same time.My point! Your point isn't accurate but again, it means nothing today. The Texans had around a dozen that mattered on IR last year, plus others (like Carr, Peek and DD) who mattered and were banged up but didn't go on IR.

Gary Walker and Seth Payne (2/3 of our starting defensive line) were out essentially the entire year. Milford Brown (starting OG) went down in Week 2 and was never the same. Aaron Glenn (Pro Bowl CB) was hurt in Week 4, never recovered, and was eventually IR'd. Antwan Peek (situational pass rusher) missed the first three weeks of the season. David Carr (starting QB) missed 1/2 the season. He, Tony Banks and Domanick Davis (starting RB) were all out at the same time around Week 13 or so. Kenny Wright (nickel) and Ramon Walker (special teams standout) went out late in the season. I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting but it not worth any more time because I'm kind of focused on today...

JDizzle
09-12-2004, 10:01 AM
I think I stumbled upon SDBoltz's personal homepage. Take a look!

SDBoltz (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/burgerking.html)