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jerek
07-30-2006, 12:13 PM
Some more personal observations from the sideline after attending the Sunday morning practice.

It's hot. Seriously. If you weren't there, I hope you were somewhere air conditioned. I was sweating in the shade. A lot of players continue to deal with dehydration/heat exhaustion.

Mario Williams was taking the entire O-line to school. In the one-on-one drills he was pretty much having his way with just about everyone. He looked really solid in the 7/7 11/11 drills as well. He seems very focused and is very much in learning mode, very hungry to be even better. Was great to see.

Seth Wand is struggling right now. He looks very unsure of himself, and was getting beat badly and repeatedly. Even Babin, who I do not think of as being that strong or possessing very good moves, got by him with ease on multiple reps. Sherman subbed him out of the first team multiple times. IIRC Spencer was taking some first team reps today at LT.

Moulds practiced but look like he was holding back; didn't take a lot of reps. The perks of being a veteran, I guess. He looks good though, pretty much what we expect and even hope he'll be; a strong, big, sufficiently fast receiver who runs good routes and has great hands. Teams will be hard pressed to double team AJ this year with Moulds on the opposite side.

Walter looks like a good 3rd WR. He's tall and got sure hands and will be good across the middle and on out routes.

Carr looks like he's doing well right now. They are running a lot of slant routes (Andre is going to slaughter the opposition with that this year) and short routes across the middle, including to Putzier. The playcalling still looks like an absolute 180 from last year; a lot of mixed formations and a lot of receiving options, lot of bootlegs and rollouts and PA's. I notice they are focusing a little more on shorter routes and in Carr making the quick, right read and getting rid of it; so far he is handling it well and still looks quite sharp.

Our O-line is getting absolutely dominated at this point. In fairness, I think our D-line is going to be a top-5 unit in the league this year; Weaver, Williams, and even Payne at DT and Babin/Peek at DE are going to make an amazing unit. As far as our O-line, it's way too early to hit the panic button; there are a lot of rookies getting reps and this is a unit that needs time to really play together and gel under their new coach. Just that FWIW (which IMO is not that much, at this point) they are struggling as a unit right now. Flanagan looked best in the 1/1 drills, and Wiegert looked alright as well.

N.D. Kalu caught my eye a couple times. He looked good in the 1/1 drills and got a lot of reps at, IIRC, at DT in second team. I still didn't catch DeMeco too much.

Robaire and Peek were absent today. I've heard rumor that Robaire was simply being treated for heat exhaustion and will be back soon. D-Rob sat out (as did Davis) but D-Rob was walking with only a very slight limp; I think he'll be back pretty quickly.

Buchanon looked much better; he is being much more physical and aggressive. He made a very athletic INT while covering AJ and looks like he is gaining confidence. Hoke is working a lot with him.

Rosenfels looked pretty good in 11 on 11, what little I saw of him. Doesn't have much of an arm but is pretty accurate and seems to find the open guy.

C.C. Brown looked really good today. He was great in coverage and was tackling really well. There wasn't a lot of full-on tackling drills today but he was frequently in good position and getting a good wrap-up, hitting low and strong.

Chris Taylor fumbled once and had a droppped pass IIRC, but he still looks great with the ball in his hands. Seems decisive and very fast vertically.

I'll post more as I think to add it, but that's what's fresh on my mind for now. This is probably the last session I'll go to until next weekend, since I unfortunately work a 9-to-5 and am short on PTO right now. I'm sure AJ and possibly Coach C and anyone else who might have been there will have something to contribute as well, and I'll be happy to try to answer any questions.

Maddict5
07-30-2006, 12:25 PM
excellent summary..how did tj do in the 1 on 1's

aj.
07-30-2006, 12:30 PM
Wali Rainer injured his left knee or ankle and had to be carted off at the start of 9 on 9's. He couldn't put any weight on it, and it didn't look good. Went down in a heap during pursuit on an off-tackle right. Stayed on the ground a long time and you could tell it wasn't good. Ticks me off since he was one of my favorites early in camp... a leader of the LB corps. Shows just how fragile the careers are of a NFL player. I'll consolidate my notes and put something up later.

It was the first time in full pads outside the bubble so hearing the 'pop' of the pads made it seem real and much more instense.

AJ is a man among boys out there.

Wand false starting on the second play of 11 on 11 was not good. Wand and Spencer were getting chewed on by Sherman a couple of times.

P Buc actually had a good practice for a change.. He had several tight coverages - some on AJ.

John Walker and Chris Taylor continue to impress.

Fans are not happy about this Field 2 and Field 3 stuff.

Good summary jerek, agree on a lot of it. The DL better be one of the best in the league because a) it's probably one of the highest paid units in the league, and b) I'm not real bullish on what's lining up behind them, especially in the secondary.

jerek
07-30-2006, 12:34 PM
excellent summary..how did tj do in the 1 on 1's

TJ looked like he was about to fall over dead ... don't know if he's just out of shape or dealing with the heat ... probably both. Today's heat was absolutely oppressive; hot and very humid. I didn't watch the second team as much, and that is who he was running the 1 on 1's with. In the 11 on 11 he worked mostly out of the second unit, but both Peek and Robaire were gone, so not sure where he would factor in if all were healthy.

The scuttlebutt that I was able to pick up on is that TJ is still struggling motivation wise and doesn't really have his head in the game at this point. I've heard this from multiple team sources and it was my general observation in just watching him today and yesterday. As far as critiquing his actual performance, the problem is, without tape review (which I don't have access to), I can really only pay attention to any one or two players at a time, and so I am paying attention to a particular group of them that I am specially interested in. FWIW I didn't notice him much one way or the other today, but I wasn't watching for him either.

TexanFan881
07-30-2006, 12:41 PM
Did anyone happen to notice if Dexter McCleon was there and if so how he did?

Thanks again for the training camp updates. I really appreciate it. :thumbup

aj.
07-30-2006, 12:43 PM
TJ was TJ. No first team reps. Shared second team reps with Alfred Malone.

aj.
07-30-2006, 12:44 PM
Did anyone happen to notice if Dexter McCleon was there and if so how he did?

Thanks again for the training camp updates. I really appreciate it. :thumbup

Yes he was there. Wearing #20. Worked a lot of man against David Anderson and other backup WRs. Rusty as you might expect but he looks like he's stayed in shape at least while he's been on the sofa.

chuckm
07-30-2006, 12:49 PM
Fans are not happy about this Field 2 and Field 3 stuff.

one of the security guards said something to us about the field nearest the stands being torn up the day before so they wanted to let it recover .... I dunno, it looked pretty good to me ....

jerek
07-30-2006, 12:51 PM
one of the security guards said something to us about the field nearest the stands being torn up the day before so they wanted to let it recover .... I dunno, it looked pretty good to me ....

That's the official reason for musical fields; preservation of grass. I worked landscaping and that is a "legitimate" reason from standpoint of taking care of your facilities.

aj.
07-30-2006, 12:51 PM
one of the security guards said something to us about the field nearest the stands being torn up the day before so they wanted to let it recover .... I dunno, it looked pretty good to me ....

I heard that too. There's really no other explanation. They had most of the 9 on 9 and 11 on 11 (the fun stuff) on Field 1 Friday, then Field 2 Saturday, and Field 3 today. So it looks like they are just rotating through the fields. The goalpost on the 50 yard line of Field 1 was something I hadn't seen before. I talked to several people from the Texans who couldn't tell me why they were doing it that way this year, but grass preservation seems logical. It sucks a bit from a fan standpoint though.

Wolf
07-30-2006, 12:55 PM
hmmm what is up with TJ is he taking his medication or I wonder if he has changed medication?

RTP2110
07-30-2006, 12:55 PM
Wow, what a hot day out there. Here's a few things I notced today:

Looking of the roster, we have to be the only team in the NFL with two guys named Wali.

Andre Johnson was fantastic again. He caught every pass thrown to him (that I saw) and beat his man almost every time. He looks poised for a great year.

Phillip buchanon looked really good today, he is playing alot more physical than I've ever seen.

Kubiak isn't afraid to call anyone out at any point in time. I clearly heard him yell across the field, "Owen Daniels, wake up son! Let's go!"

I think it was aj. who mentioned it yesterday, but this team is actually having fun while out there practicing. The LB's really get going when they split up into groups. There's alot more players encouraging each other and things of that nature going on. After the first team offense was sent off in the scrimmage, I heard Carr from 50 yards away, "Very nice guys, very nice" he then pointed out 89 and gave a, "Good job Jeb!" Carr is at least trying to be the vocal leader Kubiak is looking for.

Yea the whole rotating fields ordeal is a royal pain. But if what I think is right, is right then this is how it would line up.

Mon 1, Tue 2, Wed 3, THU 8/3 Field 1, FRI 8/4 Field 2, SAT 8/5 Field 3 Oh well, the bleachers are nice, but there's nothing like standing 15 yards away from Kubiak during 11 on 11 full scrimmages.

chuckm
07-30-2006, 12:56 PM
after one play during the 11-11, Sherman screamed at Wand "Seth make something happen"! Babin abused him at times in the 1-1 drills ....

HJam72
07-30-2006, 01:01 PM
after one play during the 11-11, Sherman screamed at Wand "Seth make something happen"! Babin abused him at times in the 1-1 drills ....

I'm not feeling good about Wand right now. If he doesn't show something at LT this year, I don't think he ever will.

aj.
07-30-2006, 01:03 PM
TJ looked like he was about to fall over dead ... don't know if he's just out of shape or dealing with the heat ... probably both. ..........

The scuttlebutt that I was able to pick up on is that TJ is still struggling motivation wise and doesn't really have his head in the game at this point. I've heard this from multiple team sources and it was my general observation in just watching him today and yesterday. .

Texans Chick are you reading this? How irresponsible....a fan said something negative about a football player. You're a lawyer. I think a defamation of character case is in order.




(sorry jerek, just a continuation of some fun on the same subject - different thread)

valleytexfan
07-30-2006, 01:12 PM
excellent info guys, all of you did a great job for the rest of us that can't be there in Houston!!! THANKS!!!!:perfect10: :thumbup :thumbup :wiggle:

southtexan
07-30-2006, 01:12 PM
Could anyone please tell me what "IIRC" means?

vtech9
07-30-2006, 01:15 PM
Could anyone please tell me what "IIRC" means?
it means..."If I Remember Correctly"

southtexan
07-30-2006, 01:20 PM
it means..."If I Remember Correctly"
Thanks

HJam72
07-30-2006, 01:22 PM
Thanks

No, you're s'posed to say...."TYVM". :)

chuckm
07-30-2006, 01:24 PM
It's hot. Seriously. If you weren't there, I hope you were somewhere air conditioned. I was sweating in the shade.


Where the heck did you find shade?????

phan1
07-30-2006, 01:25 PM
What does IIRC mean?

HJam72
07-30-2006, 01:27 PM
What does IIRC mean?

Anyone else having deja-vu?

Marcus
07-30-2006, 01:27 PM
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.

HJam72
07-30-2006, 01:28 PM
Where the heck did you find shade?????

Well, if you stand on the west side of Spencer... :wacko:

chuckm
07-30-2006, 01:30 PM
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.


TJ did not look like he wanted to be out there, IMO ....

HJam72
07-30-2006, 01:31 PM
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.

Why would they do that? I mean why not wait, just in case he shows major improvement this training camp/preseason?

nunusguy
07-30-2006, 01:31 PM
Texans Chick are you reading this? How irresponsible....a fan said something negative about a football player. You're a lawyer. I think a defamation of character case is in order.

Oh no ! And I was just starting to develope a favorable impression of TC
until you divulged that little tidbit of info about her.

phan1
07-30-2006, 01:32 PM
Anyone else having deja-vu?


Haha, sorry, I didn't read the whole post. :)

aj.
07-30-2006, 01:36 PM
Oh no ! And I was just starting to develope a favorable impression of TC
until you divulged that little tidbit of info about her.

I didn't divulge anything. I just recalled that TC had posted this about her credentials a while back:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=383769&postcount=8

southtexan
07-30-2006, 01:41 PM
No, you're s'posed to say...."TYVM". :)
Thank you very much HJam

Marcus
07-30-2006, 01:50 PM
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GP
07-30-2006, 01:54 PM
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.

You're probably right.

He was so pumped to get picked by us, and then when the pageantry stopped...so did he.

He's one of those college players that looked good against college opponents, but appears that he knows he's severely outmatched at the NFL level. Or that he doesn't want to let his pride fall off and just work harder than he might have expected.

Regardless, the way he's flaming out is just disheartening. From what Texans Chick has said, he's been a great guy off the field. He made time for fans, etc., and I just wish he'd stick it out through this rough time in his life and shape up.

TexansJunkE
07-30-2006, 02:03 PM
Could anyone please tell me what "IIRC" means?
Glad I wasn't the only one:ok:

GP
07-30-2006, 02:07 PM
Glad I wasn't the only one:ok:

YMTIWWWTM

(Yeah, Me Too. I Was Wondering What That Meant)

Coach C.
07-30-2006, 02:25 PM
Jerek and I fortunately were not with the rest of the fans. AJ btw I saw you today, you were going to war on that pen in your mouth. You usually hang with the reporters I see. I am pretty sure that was you at least. Anyway I am not really adding much to this until later when Morknolle, Jerek, and I can collaborate on the overall scope of today's practices. Will say this, Taylor, Walker, and T. Williams looked good today eventhough they each started off very slow and got chewed out the first part of practice. T. Williams also made an incredible one handed interception that should have had the crowd cheering. Anyway hope to add a good bit later and will be on answering technique questions for awhile.

jerek
07-30-2006, 02:35 PM
Where the heck did you find shade?????

Was on the sidelines ... different pass than y'all had. Was hanging with Coach C. I don't know aj. but I am pretty sure he was out there as well.

As far as TJ still being here, I don't think anyone has told him he was cut. This is an NFL team we are talking about, and no coaches -- especially new ones who didn't draft the guy -- would waste their time coddling to a guy they had already decided to cut. I think they are honestly trying to work with him and improve his play. As of right now his chances for a starter spot are almost zero but if nothing else I think he'd stick around as second team/ST and practice squad. Not sure the cap ramifications of cutting him but that, given also that he is only a second year player, would indicate to me that they are willing to at least try to work with him still at this point.

aj.
07-30-2006, 02:36 PM
You usually hang with the reporters I see. I am pretty sure that was you at least.

If I was chewing a pen in half, yeah, that was probably me.....I hang wherever they let me. There's a guy from Pro Football Weekly that I like to talk to whose been out there all weekend, and another media type from up in East Texas who knows Pettway and I spent some time talking to them this morning. I had a yellow wristband (guest - not media) so I could walk through the trainers area and other non-media areas but not hang out in there or talk to players during practice. I have to stay off the grass like the media. ;-)

Why didn't you stop and say hi? I was there long after practice listening to Sherman and Winston give interviews. And watch McKinney 'order' Winston to run back on the field and gather all the o-linemen's helmets and carry them back to the golf carts. Winston sounds like he is quite happy to be here to say the least.

John Walker is getting the good kind of attention from Hoke and Richard Smith... Chris Taylor can get around the edge just fine.

What have you heard on Rainer's knee/ankle? It didn't look good from where I was standing.

threetoedpete
07-30-2006, 02:38 PM
Could anyone please tell me what "IIRC" means?
Yeah I've been wondering that too ST. Inquiring minds want to know.

The heat was brutal this morning. Hope everyone is understanding of the feild rotation. Grass issues, sucurity issues....yada yada yada. Would of been upset but knew we'd have the board updates to look forward to. Thanks guys from the bottom of my heart.

Don't wanna put words in her mouth...but thought TC was upset not about critisim but at how & who the critisim was directed at. The guy needs some luck. He's fighting for his rice bowl.

Nice meeting you Vinny.

Coach C.
07-30-2006, 02:43 PM
I recognized you, but was not really in a position to talk to you at that point. Jerek and I were pretty busy thinking about lunch and what not. A coach of mine use to tell me when we stop yelling at you is when we no longer believe in you. So they just needed a fire lit. Taylor is doing some good things, but showed alot of rookie mistakes today, if he can study his blocking procedures he could challenge for an active roster spot this year.

TexansLucky13
07-30-2006, 02:46 PM
Todays summary: HOT

We got that at about 8:15 and immediately made our way to find the best field view possible. Fortunately I was able to get as close to the majority of the players as possible for a fan. Once they finally abandoned the field closest to the fans, they allowed us to move up the track and watch all the players play their full contact Off vs. Def.

The defense looked tough, IMHO. Our line looks excellent. The only thing I am slightly worried about is the secondary, but we knew that that was a concern already. Carr was able to hit Andre extremely well except for one pass that went out of bounds near the fans.

The 1 on 1 drills was the most exciting for me. We watched as they shuffled CB vs. WR and switched out QBs. Andre is playing awesome. One player that surprised me was Jake Schifino #19. He showed excellent moves and was able to handle everything the QB core threw at him. I believe he has a good chance to make #4 WR if he continues to play like he has.

All in all it was good fun. I was so close to John McClain and Rick Smith that I could have started up a conversation (not that I would want to talk to John). I was surprised at how close some fans were to the field. Andre almost ran over us when he tried to grab that pass that was overthrown. Minutes before that happened, an attendant had warned not to get too close to the field and stay on the track. I responded "I would LOVE to get run over by Andre Johnson", jokingly. I almost got my chance.

Two tips... bring sunscreen and grab some water. If I had been out there for 30 minutes more I would have been cooked.

The only sig I got was Kris Brown while he was walking to Reliant Stadium.

P.S.- I witnessed a little something disturbing. I was watching the defense lineman do drills off the field, when I lost sight of Mario. With closer inspection I noticed that he was taking a leak in the corner of the practice field. :rolleyes:

aj.
07-30-2006, 02:47 PM
The guy [Travis Johnson] needs some luck. He's fighting for his rice bowl.
.

Travis Johnson has $5.92 million in guaranteed money in his contract which could probably buy a rice farm. Hell, with that kind of money, he could probably buy El Campo.

phan1
07-30-2006, 03:09 PM
P.S.- I witnessed a little something disturbing. I was watching the defense lineman do drills off the field, when I lost sight of Mario. With closer inspection I noticed that he was taking a leak in the corner of the practice field. :rolleyes:

That's pretty funny. I guess that shows dedication; you don't want to waste a second of practice by finding a restroom do you? :)

Texans_Chick
07-30-2006, 03:33 PM
Texans Chick are you reading this? How irresponsible....a fan said something negative about a football player.

He said what he was basing his observation on. Scuttlebutt he heard from team sources and his observations. I can take it FWIW.

Texans_Chick
07-30-2006, 03:37 PM
Oh no ! And I was just starting to develope a favorable impression of TC
until you divulged that little tidbit of info about her.


This is why it is usually a mistake to divulge personal information on the internet.

People end up judging you by stereotypes and their prejudices and have opportunities to make ad hominem attacks.

It just is what it is.

WWX
07-30-2006, 04:07 PM
First off I just wanted to say thanks to all of you that dedicate your time to feed the info hungry fans such as myself. I’ve been checking out all the detailed reports since Friday and find them to be priceless, especially since I’m secluded north of Dallas, far from H-Town. Anyway I’m prepared to take advantage of this situation and hope those of you attending training camp might humor me.

My main concern is the offensive line and I understand they are having trouble with our new look D-Line. Hopefully things start to look better and maybe our defensive line is actually that good. But I’m very curious on the two tackles we signed this month, Spencer and Winston. I know Spencer is a freaken monster but how are the young bucks developing? Is there any chance one or both of them might fight their way to 1st team?
:trophy:

aj.
07-30-2006, 04:14 PM
He said what he was basing his observation on. Scuttlebutt he heard from team sources and his observations. I can take it FWIW.

Is scuttlebut more reliable than blather?
(that would be an attempt at humor. please no need to respond)

Most - if not all - of what I hear on the sidelines I don't repeat here, but it does help in forming my opinions. That and what I observe directly - which is all I was so unsuccessfully trying to communicate. I could have said on Friday that a Texans employee told me that TJ was a fat, lazy, slob. Would that have made my opinion that day any more credible?

Most of what I see, read, hear (on the sidelines and other places), I store away for later use, or sometimes not. If over time something matches, I use it. If it doesn't, I discard it. I don't take a peice of random gossip and run with it as gospel, nor do I make **** up.

I'm done with this btw. Please all return to worthwhile football talk - or blather or specualation or whatever you want to call it.

Runner
07-30-2006, 04:15 PM
My main concern is the offensive line and I understand they are having trouble with our new look D-Line. Hopefully things start to look better and maybe our defensive line is actually that good.


IMO don't worry, the line will come together - that is what camp is for.


But I’m very curious on the two tackles we signed this month, Spencer and Winston. I know Spencer is a freaken monster but how are the young bucks developing? Is there any chance one or both of them might fight their way to 1st team?


Depends on who you ask - opinions vary. Some would say they are virtual starters right now, the coaches just don't know it or haven't announced it yet. Others think they need some seasoning first since they are third round tackles with strengths AND weaknesses.

There is always the chance one or both make the starting line-up for the first game, but that leaves a question. Are they starting because they are ready, or because we have major problems?

Honoring Earl 34
07-30-2006, 04:15 PM
I think that TC is just protecting team interest . I can't even think about TJ being bust after trading down ( unless Winston becomes a player ) and passing on DJ .

texflex513
07-30-2006, 04:16 PM
I want to thank all you guys for your input and camp updates on the texans i almost feel like im actual in the city but unfortunately stuck in cinci....thanks again.:ok:

TexansFanatic
07-30-2006, 04:40 PM
it means..."If I Remember Correctly"

I have to confess, I was having some trouble deciphering that little bit of NetSpeak myself....

aj.
07-30-2006, 04:59 PM
I'm surprised there's nothing out on Rainer. He appeared to be seriously hurt. I'm hoping it's just a close call but I sense something different.

TexanFan881
07-30-2006, 05:04 PM
I have to confess, I was having some trouble deciphering that little bit of NetSpeak myself....

I have no idea what a lot of that stuff is too lol :heh: I wonder if the translators that they have help at all :hmmm:

Hardcore Texan
07-30-2006, 05:05 PM
Thanks for the assessments everyone that attended. Makes me feel like I was there a little bit. :redtowel:

pittbull
07-30-2006, 05:23 PM
There is no way they are going release him or not give him someplaying time. Smith will light a fire under his butt. You can count on that!:fireball: :bowser:

Wolf
07-30-2006, 05:28 PM
He returned to the football field in 2004 with renewed vigor. He was placed on medication prior to 2004 to help him battle attention deficit disorder and his performance drastically improved

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Johnson,Travis-DT-Florida%20State.htm

Does anyone know if TJ has changed medication or is even still on it?

goodfella
07-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Thanks for the updates.

Has anyone seen anything positive out of our O line? please tell me that something has been observed indicating this unit will not bring down our team for a 5th straight year...

Was DD out there? What was he doing?

aj.
07-30-2006, 05:51 PM
DD sat out this morning but there didn't seem to be any problems. He's been looking good -moving around well and cutting. They were in full pads and guys were taking some serious shots out there today. He doesn't really need to go there until about Week 3 of preseason IMO.

(this obviously wasn't correct based on Cloak's later post)

Lucky
07-30-2006, 05:59 PM
Does anyone know if TJ has changed medication or is even still on it?
I realize this has been reported nationally. But should we really delve into this area? Is the guy playing well or not? Is he injured? Let's leave the rest to his psychologist.

Texans_Chick
07-30-2006, 05:59 PM
Thanks for the updates.

Has anyone seen anything positive out of our O line? please tell me that something has been observed indicating this unit will not bring down our team for a 5th straight year...



Here's a new article from the official site, FWIW:

Link: "Baby steps: (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2689)


Houston needed considerable help in the offensive line last year after it led the league with 68 sacks. That total contributed to the passing game finishing a dismal 30 th in the NFL with an average of just 139.8 yards per game.

So new coach Gary Kubiak brought in assistant head coach/offense Mike Sherman, the former Packers head coach who has a strong background as an offensive line coach, and Benton, who had coached the O-line at St. Louis the last two years.

The Texans also signed former Packers Pro Bowl center Mike Flanagan along with veteran tackle Ephraim Salaam from Jacksonville. They moved center Steve McKinney to guard and expect him and tackles Zach Wiegert and Seth Wand to make big contributions as well.

Kubiak is already encouraged by what he has seen.

“I think you’ve got a group of guys that have been doing it and we went out and got some guys to push those guys,” Kubiak said. “So the combination of those two, whoever ends up being the top five, I think we’re going to be better as a football team. I think that group can play well for us and I think that they’re coached extremely well by Sherman and Benton. I think the two of those guys have done a great job so far.”

Flanagan was the biggest name acquisition in the offseason, but Kubiak isn’t discounting the talents Houston already had on hand.

“The group that was here, we have a lot of confidence in,” Kubiak said. “We’d love to settle them down and have them play one spot and say this is the way we’re going to do things now and this is what we expect.

“And those guys are being pushed everyday. Zach Wiegert is being pushed; McKinney’s being pushed; Seth Wand is being pushed.”

McKinney especially likes the prospect of the line being able to settle into one approach, which hasn’t always been the case with the Texans.

“Last year, we changed our scheme a couple times during the season, fired our offensive coordinator and changed O-line coaches,” McKinney said. “So it was some different things like guys moving around to different positions. Any time you have that type of stuff going on in your offensive line or with your offense in general, it’s going to make it a little bit tough.

“I’m not using that as an excuse, but I really feel that with the new scheme, and as long as we can keep some continuity up front, I think that will make the difference.”

The key might be how these guys pick up the zone blocking schemes Kubiak used as offensive coordinator in Denver.

“It’s really not that different than what they did here last year,” Benton said. “As a matter of fact, they did a pretty good job of it last year and that’s something real fortunate for us. They did a lot of good things and that will fit into what we do and maybe we’ll add some other elements.

“It’s not a particularly difficult system. But the technique involved for each situation gets pretty complex. The assignments are fairly easy, but executing them like we want to takes the experience and repetition and things like that.”

Wiegert and McKinney like what they’ve seen so far.

“It’s a lot of the same techniques, really,” 12-year veteran Wiegert said. “This is more of a speed-type deal. Last year, we did a lot more inside and power zone stuff. We still zone blocked, but it was straight-ahead stuff.

“This is more of getting to the edges. It’s identical, basically, to what Denver runs. I think it’s really effective."

So does McKinney.

“I like the way we’re being asked to block the running plays,” McKinney said. “In my opinion, it’s better than what we’ve done before.”

The combination of old and new players and the new schemes might be just what the baby doctor ordered for this team.

“I like the guys we have,” McKinney said. “I think we have some fighters up front, some veterans who have played a lot in this league and some guys with a lot of talent.”

Benton thinks McKinney will be productive at right guard, where the nine-year veteran from Texas A&M has played.

“It hasn’t been that tough a transition for him since he’s played guard before,” he said. “Putting him between Flanagan and Wiegert give us a pretty experienced side with some very successful people.”

And adding 11-year-veteran Flanagan should give the line a boost.

“I think he’s a veteran who’s been to the rodeo before,” Benton said of Flanagan. “And he’s been very successful at it both individually and from a team standpoint. So I think he brings that type of experience and helps raise the level of play.”

Rookie third-round picks Charles Spencer of Pittsburgh and Eric Winston of Miami, two mammoth tackles, are the wild cards in this offensive line picture. Both come highly touted and could contribute this season.

“We’ll have to wait and see, but they certainly have the potential,” Benton said. “It’s just a matter of how quickly they develop.”

Here's a nice review from Keith at HPF in a thread there that has some Oline stuff in it: Link: Camp Kubiak Day 3 (http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6388)

There are various other thoughts about how things are going in different Training Camp threads.

jerek
07-30-2006, 06:18 PM
I notice a few panicky-esque statements regarding the offensive line. I did indeed report that they are clearly getting slaughtered by our defensive line right now (as did AJ and others), but remember that (a) we're still very early into camp, (b) our O-line is doing a lot of subbing, while our D-line is already a much more consistent composition, (c) Sherman is clearly testing a lot of players and giving both Winston and Spencer a strong look, and as rookies, I expect both will exhibit a sharp learning curve, (d) our D-line is legitimately now a top-5 defensive line in the NFL. I am talking Panthers-esque: four strong across the front, pick your poison.

Plenty of time. No reason to start having nightmares/flashbacks yet :) Besides: remember that a big part of our sack woes were due in large part to Capers'/Palmer's/Pendry's playcalling: extremely predictable plays, few WR routes leading to Carr being stranded, etc. We've seen our very last edition of the Capers' Disturbingly Unintelligent Offense. Even if our O-line were just as shabby as last year's -- giving up the goat and giving Carr an average <2 seconds to unload the ball -- we'd still see about 15-20 less sacks this year IMO.

At any rate, for those who weren't there, take my word for it, FWIW: the O-line is a work in progress and I expect them to improve dramatically in the coming weeks.

CloakNNNdagger
07-30-2006, 06:26 PM
According to McClain, Rainer is already in a cast.......no report as to what put him there.

nunusguy
07-30-2006, 06:27 PM
Is scuttlebut more reliable than blather?
(that would be an attempt at humor. please no need to respond)
I'm done with this btw.
Good, I'm glad you 2 are making up.
It can't be good that mummy and daddy are fighting with each other on our
website in front of all the kids.

Honoring Earl 34
07-30-2006, 06:27 PM
I think the O-Line , for the first time has a fusion of young talent and veteran leadership . I call Spencer and Winston young legit talent to go with Pitts to form a future core . I'm not sold on Wand ... who was also a 3rd round pick , hey two outa three ain't bad .

TexansSeminole
07-30-2006, 06:33 PM
A coach of mine use to tell me when we stop yelling at you is when we no longer believe in you.

My coaches used to say that same thing, and it was true. The people you knew would never play never got yelled at.

CloakNNNdagger
07-30-2006, 07:44 PM
Some info from Kub on HoustonTexans.com (No further info on Ranier):

(on CB Dunta Robinson’s ankle) “He rolled his ankle, he came back the next morning, and it bothered him again. We pulled him out. He just went and had x-rays done, just to ease our minds. He’s fine, and we need to look at some of these other guys anyways. We’ll get him healthy, even if it takes two or three or four days so we’ll do what we have to do to and he will be ready to play.”

(on pursuing new cornerbacks) “I think we’ll continue to. We even said heading into camp that we would look for a veteran corner as camp went through. Of course it’s escaladed from this standpoint. We’ll have a workout, I’m not sure if it’s going to be this afternoon or tomorrow, but we’re going to work out some more corners. As camp goes on and things happen, we’ve got to have a good camp from that standpoint. We’ve got to be watching a lot of football players out in this league. It’s just part of the process.”

(on his plans for RB Domanick Davis) “First off, we want him to go every morning with it. That’s what we what we want him to do. The first two days were good. There was a little soreness yesterday. He talked about it yesterday. He came in and we took a look at it. We took an MRI yesterday, it looked good. It is bothering him, he is sore. It may be a process where he goes two days and then takes a day off and comes back with two more. We’re going to do what’s best for Domanick and this football team. But the key thing is that we have to make sure that everything is fine with the knee. It looks like it is, so we have to sit down and chart out the course.”

(on the running back situation) “We’ll keep our eyes out in this league for veteran backs just like corners. That won’t change at any position. I like the competition we have. I like what (RB) Antowain Smith is doing. These are tremendously conditioned athletes and I’m sure you guys are seeing the same thing I have. There is three fine young football players out there, whether they’re a sixth rounder or free-agents. If they can play, that’s all that matters to me. I like watching these three kids and I’m excited to watch them play. I’m talking about the three rookies. I think (RB Vernand) Morency stepped it up. I think when you look at (RB) Wali (Lundy), and you look at (RB Chris) Taylor and you look at (RB Damien) Rhodes , you’re looking at three kids who are showing you they can play in this league. It doesn’t matter where you’re drafted. I’ve been through that before, and as long as they keep doing that, I’m going to give them a chance to contribute to this football team.”

For More Kub Comments (http://houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2691&section=N%20Latest%20News)



Morning Camp Notes (http://houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2690&section=N%20Latest%20News)

aj.
07-30-2006, 07:55 PM
Hmmmm. I hate to see that again about DD. If the MRI is clear and he still has pain, what is it?

I saw him on the sideline today and assumed they were just letting him sit out one of the two dailys.

tulexan
07-30-2006, 08:11 PM
Michael Bennett anyone?

CloakNNNdagger
07-30-2006, 08:20 PM
Hmmmm. I hate to see that again about DD. If the MRI is clear and he still has pain, what is it?

I saw him on the sideline today and assumed they were just letting him sit out one of the two dailys.

aj, in case you or the others missed my post responsive to this same question a while back, I'm reposting it for reference:


After this length of time from surgery, I have to share your and many other board members' concerns over the true status of Davis' knee. The risks and complications of arthroscopic knee surgery are in general extremely small. However bear in mind that occasionally there is more damage in the knee than was initially thought and that this may affect the recovery time. In addition if the cartilage in the knee is partly worn out, then arthroscopic surgery has about a 65% chance of improving symptoms in the short to medium term but more definitive surgery may be required in the future. In general, arthroscopic surgery does not improve knees that have the dreaded well established Osteoarthritis, which will take it into the chronic category of pain, swelling and limited mobility. Hopefully, last year DD was not allowed to play through what should have been tended to before he would develop irreversible arthritic changes............... Hopefully, he has not already "run his knee into the ground."

Small loose particles left behind from the original scope or postoperative torn scar tissue floating in the joint.....even tendonitis can lead to chronic pain and or/swelling in the knee. MRI can't always pick these things up. Time will tell if all this "resolves" or needs further surgery. If he does not resolve his present condition, it all has to do with what actual physical findings are present and how long his physicians are willing let him smolder before making a definitive decision. Again, hopefully it's not degenerative arthritis.

aj.
07-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Hopefully it's not arthritic. Sux.

This is my official offering of the day - kind of late but what the hell:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2692&section=N%20Latest%20News

Stampede
07-30-2006, 09:29 PM
Really good stuff A.J. Really enjoyed the take on Coach Karmelowicz (Coach Kharma seems more appropriate) and also the snippet about Bruener. Thanks alot man, i really enjoy hearing your take on things. Keep up the good work.

Hottoddie
07-30-2006, 09:32 PM
Any word on Chris McKenzie?

Wolf
07-30-2006, 09:35 PM
The player quote of the day goes to tight end Mark Bruener. In 7-on-7’s, Mark took a short pass over the middle, turned and was immediately hit hard by a linebacker. But he stayed on his feet, spun and turned downfield and immediately took another shot by a cornerback. Finally, as he was running it out, a safety came over and gave him yet another shot. Bruener would probably argue that he was really the one doling out the punishment since after the play he was overheard saying to defensive backs coach Jon Hoke “did I get ‘em all Jon?”

from AJ's link

funny stuff

chuckm
07-30-2006, 09:38 PM
Putzier, during pass drills, caught a pass and ran it out into the endzone .... as he walked past one of the ball boys he said "When does it start snowing?"

TexansSeminole
07-30-2006, 09:41 PM
Putzier, during pass drills, caught a pass and ran it out into the endzone .... as he walked past one of the ball boys he said "When does it start snowing?"
Ha, never Jeb.

The Pencil Neck
07-30-2006, 10:02 PM
Ha, never Jeb.

Tight end... running for a touchdown... in a Texans helmet?

It's snowing somewhere... somewhere exceedingly warm...

tulexan
07-30-2006, 10:06 PM
Ha, never Jeb.

Hey there was that one time a few years ago on Christmas for about 10 minutes.

MorKnolle
07-30-2006, 10:10 PM
I'm not feeling good about Wand right now. If he doesn't show something at LT this year, I don't think he ever will.

I think Wand is biding time until they feel Spencer is ready to start. Spencer has been making some rookie mistakes but looks decent right now and he should definitely be a good starter for several years. Wand really has not looked good thusfar, in 1 on 1 drills or on most plays in full team drills.

I'm surprised there's nothing out on Rainer. He appeared to be seriously hurt. I'm hoping it's just a close call but I sense something different.

I thought I had heard from someone that he has an MRI scheduled for tomorrow morning, so hopefully we'll know something by then, assuming they announce it to us.

Thanks for the updates.

Has anyone seen anything positive out of our O line? please tell me that something has been observed indicating this unit will not bring down our team for a 5th straight year...

Was DD out there? What was he doing?

There have been some bright spots on our OLine. Wiegert, Flanagan, and Pitts have all looked pretty solid in 1 on 1 drills, unless they're going against Mario. McKinney has looked ok at times but has also had some lapses in performance, Weaver and Mario have both made him look foolish in 1 on 1s. Wand has not looked very good at all in any of the drills. Weary has looked pretty good for a backup, and Ephraim Salaam has shown flashes of being pretty solid as well. The rest of them haven't looked very good, although our DLine has also looked great. I think once Spencer and/or Winston are ready to start that our OLine will be pretty solid barring injuries, although I have concerns about our depth if injuries do occur.

Spencer and Winston have both looked pretty good, although they've made a lot of rookie mistakes and have a decent amount of technique and such to improve on. Winston lets pass rushers get too close in on him too much of the time and has relatively short arms so he ends up getting overpowered, but he is definitely very athletic for an OLineman. He looks very solid in run blocking where he's initiating the contact and can get to the 2nd level quickly, from my observations in his pass blocking he needs to get a little lower in his stance and make contact with the pass rusher a little sooner, but he definitely shows flashes of being a potentially very good OLineman. When he gets locked up on someone the battle is usually over and he keeps them from going anywhere. Spencer has been beaten on a few inside moves and also needs to stay lower in his stance, but he has an amazingly strong punch and is very strong. He doesn't read/respond to pass rushing moves as well as some others, but he has pretty long arms, he's athletic, and if he locks up a pass rusher he dominates them, he hsa tossed a couple guys several yards with a quick punch on outside rushes. He is also solid in runblocking, displaying very good strength and the ablity to get to the 2nd level. Spencer is probably a little closer than Winston to being ready to be a solid starter as of this point in time.

Another point with the OLine, our DLinemen have looked very good in 1 on 1 drills against them, but 1 on 1 drills somewhat favor the defense. In real game situations there will be less room for DLinemen to operate and there will be an extra blocker or two to help out with some double teams. Thusfar in team drills the OLine has not worked together especially well, but I think that cohesion will develop. OLine is one area of football where the whole can/should be far greater than the sum of the parts, so if we can get our OLine on the same page and playing together well (along with moving the pocket, establishing a good running game then using play actions and bootlegs to get Carr on the move and create hesitation in opposing defenses) then it should vastly improve the perceived shortcomings of the OLine in these 1 on 1 drills. That said our DLine still has looked very good, I'm not ready to put them on the same level as Carolina or Philadelphia, but I really think this DLine group can be in the top 5 in the league.

As for the field situation, it makes sense to rotate the fields, they all seem to be in pretty good condition still but repeated use of a single field will tear it up, and they don't want to ruin them this early in the season. At least they have let the fans come over closer to see decently, I've heard Kubes didn't initlally want to have any practices open to the public (not sure if that's how it was in Denver or he just wanted outside distractions to be kept to a minimum). I am one of the lucky ones that am able to roam the sidelines more freely as a guest of an employee (all morning practices are open to guests of staff/players, so hopefully I'll end up getting to go to another few practices that aren't open to the rest of the public so I can add any other insight/info from those days).

Texans Pride
07-30-2006, 10:19 PM
Nice read AJ! Thanks for the update. . That goes to all you guys that have been putting the time in to give us all reports!

FILO_girl
07-30-2006, 10:33 PM
Keep those updates coming!

I have been getting my ear bent by my loving other half over the situation with the team practicing far from the fans this year. Hopefully, my toe will allow me to come to practice later this week. I can almost walk half arsed human. :crutch:

Is it really that bad, are the fans kept THAT far away? Doc is mega-torqued on this issue, and he is usually the less vocally outspoken in our union. I have read the excuse given, but come on....

Also, those of you who were at the tailgate...if you have some feedback on the burgers before I do my finalization of my recipes to the contest....give it to me, warts and all via PM (or here, I'm not skeered). :cool:

Hope to see y'all on Thursday night, and bummed that I missed meeting Vinny (so please go Thursday so I can say HI in person). :shades:

Would be nice put more faces to screen names, so don't be shy when coming up to the tailgates or groups of fans shooting the breeze. Remember, we have a great common interest! :logo:

Anguyen
07-30-2006, 11:24 PM
What does IIRC mean?
if i remember correctly

Texans34Life
07-30-2006, 11:55 PM
Was on the sidelines ... different pass than y'all had. Was hanging with Coach C. I don't know aj. but I am pretty sure he was out there as well.

As far as TJ still being here, I don't think anyone has told him he was cut. This is an NFL team we are talking about, and no coaches -- especially new ones who didn't draft the guy -- would waste their time coddling to a guy they had already decided to cut. I think they are honestly trying to work with him and improve his play. As of right now his chances for a starter spot are almost zero but if nothing else I think he'd stick around as second team/ST and practice squad. Not sure the cap ramifications of cutting him but that, given also that he is only a second year player, would indicate to me that they are willing to at least try to work with him still at this point.

Man, I know this is just his 2nd year with us, but he is turning out to be a waste of a 1st Round Pick. Why the hell did we pass up on Marcus Spears to grab this bum? I just get boiled up to hear how much of a lazy good-for-nothing he has been with us so far.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2006, 01:15 AM
For now, he is a good back up. But he really needs to step it up.

The Pencil Neck
07-31-2006, 01:44 AM
I am one of the lucky ones that am able to roam the sidelines more freely as a guest of an employee (all morning practices are open to guests of staff/players, so hopefully I'll end up getting to go to another few practices that aren't open to the rest of the public so I can add any other insight/info from those days).

I know everyone's already said this but thanks for these. I really appreciate all the training camp reports.

Especially since I'm exiled to the land of the Cowgirls.

YoungTexanFan
07-31-2006, 02:00 AM
This is my very late take on TC today:

Phillip Buchanon was doing very well. He was sticking to his reciever like glue. He was making AJ mad and even picked one off meant for AJ. He got his hands on a few more as well.

#11 has NO hands. That boy can't catch anything to save his life.


Joppru seems very motivated to be out there and showed some surprising speed. He was going all out, all day. In the begining, most fans were by the TE's.


Weigert and Wand both got owned. Flanagen seemed lathargic to me, and could not hold his own in 1 on 1. Wand did the worst out of our group, being taken by everyone. He made Babin look like Mario.


Mario owned again, as expected.


Eric Winston really does look like a caveman.

Spencer really is HUGE, but he looked very strong when he worked with the 1st team.


Moulds did not run much at all, and seemed to be sitting out much of the drills.

AJ could not really be contained by anyone except Buchanon. AJ was seperating from everyone else, but struggled some for AJ against Buchanon.

Putzier is bigger than I thought, seems to be our largest TE.

Owen Daniels is a shrimp compared to the other TE's.

I hope Rainer is ok, that looked bad.

I had trouble following DeMecco. He didn't stand out at all.

None of our LB's stood out and their tackeling seems to be piss-poor.

Our entire secondary with the exception of Buchanon and Danuta (sat out) was biting very easily on double moves. Hoke chewed out a few of them a few times.

Kevin Walters looked very good. He appeared faster than advertised and used his hands away from his body very well. He showed the ability to seperate as well.

Mathis is a moron, he had his crutch on the wrong side of his body. He is still in a boot unfortunatly.

TJ looked lacksadasical. He hardly ever hustled at the horn sound, walked a lot between drills and just seemed reluctant. His play didn't make up for it either. Malone might beat him out at this point.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2006, 02:15 AM
Phillip Buchanon was doing very well. He was sticking to his reciever like glue. He was making AJ mad and even picked one off meant for AJ. He got his hands on a few more as well.

Good he needs to step up

Mathis is a moron, he had his crutch on the wrong side of his body. He is still in a boot unfortunatly.

Haha, that is something I would notice. He needs to decide if he is going to be a one season stunner or a career contributor when he gets back from injury, or he's not going to make it with these WRs for long.

D-Love
07-31-2006, 02:25 AM
How does the rep system work over here guys..................

Vinny
07-31-2006, 02:36 AM
How does the rep system work over here guys..................
Like...if you are off-topic like this post is, someone may give you a negative rep like this....

phan1
07-31-2006, 03:02 AM
Phillip Buchanon was doing very well. He was sticking to his reciever like glue. He was making AJ mad and even picked one off meant for AJ. He got his hands on a few more as well.



Was he really playing that well or just fouling him the whole time? Cause even I can look like a decent CB if I can hold onto AJ's jersey every play. Either way this is good news as at least he looks very motivated to play well.

phantom17
07-31-2006, 03:59 AM
WOW!!! Thanks for the updates! It's really hard to get news coverage here in the Rio Grande Valley! The newscasters really wants to talk about the Cowboys!:crutch: :shoot: :francis: Man, we really need to change all this love for the Cowboys or Spurs here!

Coach C.
07-31-2006, 07:37 AM
Hey Vinny since you made practice, what did you think of Meco up close, eventhough you guys werent that close. I know you like the kid alot, he has the ability and mindset to be something special. Literally if he starts all year he could challenge for Rookie of the Year Defense. It has gone to LBs what the last 4 years right.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2006, 07:39 AM
Hey Vinny since you made practice, what did you think of Meco up close, eventhough you guys werent that close. I know you like the kid alot, he has the ability and mindset to be something special. Literally if he starts all year he could challenge for Rookie of the Year Defense. It has gone to LBs what the last 4 years right.

I have not heard anything about it, my guess is today people will pay more attention to him even if he doesn't play much.

Coach C.
07-31-2006, 07:43 AM
TexansSeminole I was at TC been to everyone of them, just asking about what Vinny thought since he finally made it out there.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2006, 07:48 AM
TexansSeminole I was at TC been to everyone of them, just asking about what Vinny thought since he finally made it out there.
Yea I know I have been following this thread, I appreciate all your input, jerek, and aj. etc.

Texans_Chick
07-31-2006, 09:22 AM
Never mind.

Coach C.
07-31-2006, 09:27 AM
Never mind.

TC what is this. Comeon go ahead and let it out....

nunusguy
07-31-2006, 09:32 AM
Michael Smith, ESPN/Boston Globe, was live on SR 610 this morning from
TC.
Only 27, really sharp guy. He and family are from NOLA, and his parents are still here in Houston after the Katrina disastor hit their home town last year.
With McClain and Granada, they had a great discusiion about the NFL, but Smith was not on long enough as the guy is very smart, articulate, knowledgeable, and very entertaining.
Smith is a huge Mario fan and raved about him this morning, though I know he's happy that his hometown Saints getting RB.

tulexan
07-31-2006, 09:35 AM
I think Michael Smith is one of the best, if not the best, analyst on ESPN. It doesn't seem like he gets caught up in hype too much and calls it like he sees it.

threetoedpete
07-31-2006, 09:43 AM
Keep those updates coming!


Is it really that bad, are the fans kept THAT far away? Doc is mega-torqued on this issue, and he is usually the less vocally outspoken in our union. I have read the excuse given, but come on....

Pretty bad. My darlin' bride has arthritisis really bad. We were stuck in the stands. It was HOT. Can't see at all with the camera cranes, water guys, press, ect. ect. Can't see squat, even with feild glasses. We left early. Wensday./thursday tickets should be gold...lucky dogs. So who do you have to kill to get the VIP tickets on field three ?

Nice Job Coach, Mork & AJ. We're depending on you all. Nice job, YTF

Coach C.
07-31-2006, 09:43 AM
I am guessing with the following he is starting to garner from younger fans he will soon have his on radio show on ESPN radio

tulexan
07-31-2006, 09:47 AM
He deserves it. Usually he is one of the only people on Around the Horn who knows what he is talking about.

YoungTexanFan
07-31-2006, 10:16 AM
Nice Job Coach, Mork & AJ. We're depending on you all. Nice job, YTF

Thank you.

YoungTexanFan
07-31-2006, 10:19 AM
Was he really playing that well or just fouling him the whole time? Cause even I can look like a decent CB if I can hold onto AJ's jersey every play. Either way this is good news as at least he looks very motivated to play well.

No, Buchanon was just not giving a cushion to the WR's. He was reacting very quickly to the ball and was able to close very fast. He was also able to get his hands on the ball a lot. I watched for Buchanon specificly because not only is he one of my favorite players, he is being forced to step up and start at a high level in his contract year...expect good things.

Kaiser Toro
07-31-2006, 10:25 AM
In my opinion there were some dormant talents not being used the right way or the former staff could not find what motivated certain indviduals. Of those I felt were Carr, Buchanon, Wand and Morency. The emergence of P Buch is terrific. If it is a contract that is motivating him, that is great, at least we know what makes him tick. Now keep the pressure on and keep squeezing.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2006, 10:27 AM
No, Buchanon was just not giving a cushion to the WR's. He was reacting very quickly to the ball and was able to close very fast. He was also able to get his hands on the ball a lot. I watched for Buchanon specificly because not only is he one of my favorite players, he is being forced to step up and start at a high level in his contract year...expect good things.
He has always been quick and fast. It's just about reading the plays right, and tackling.

texan279
07-31-2006, 10:33 AM
In my opinion there were some dormant talents not being used the right way or the former staff could not find what motivated certain indviduals. Of those I felt were Carr, Buchanon, Wand and Morency. The emergence of P Buch is terrific. If it is a contract that is motivating him, that is great, at least we know what makes him tick. Now keep the pressure on and keep squeezing.

Only thing that bothers me about a contract year motivating a player is signing him to a larger contract after a good contract year performance and then afterwards slacking back off...

Kaiser Toro
07-31-2006, 10:58 AM
Only thing that bothers me about a contract year motivating a player is signing him to a larger contract after a good contract year performance and then afterwards slacking back off...

Kind of to my point. Now we know we make his contract on par with is results for the guaranteed money and make it a heavy incentive laden contract. If he walks, fine.

Vinny
07-31-2006, 12:06 PM
Hey Vinny since you made practice, what did you think of Meco up close, eventhough you guys werent that close. I know you like the kid alot, he has the ability and mindset to be something special. Literally if he starts all year he could challenge for Rookie of the Year Defense. It has gone to LBs what the last 4 years right.I only got to see the last part of the practice as I could not see anything for most of the day, so I don't have much of an opinion other than what I carry from watching him play in the SEC....I was watching some of the youngsters and Halterman and Mark Estelle had some good moments and I think Halterman will be tough to cut. Estelle was doing a good job in short space on on the jam.

I have a bad hip and I am just off some meds so I struggle to get around.....so I was pretty dissapointed with yesterday since it hurts just to walk and I can't make multiple practices...from a fan's perspective yesterday was very dissapointing.

YoungTexanFan
07-31-2006, 12:08 PM
He has always been quick and fast. It's just about reading the plays right, and tackling.

I know his skill-set, but he did not play up to that last year. He was play like he did at Miami yesterday. He was aggressive and wanted the ball more than our WR's. That was my obserbvation. That has been other people's observation as well. Buchanon would have earned the starting spot from Faggins anyways with how he is playing IMO.

YoungTexanFan
07-31-2006, 12:10 PM
I only got to see the last part of the practice as I could not see anything for most of the day, so I don't have much of an opinion other than what I carry from watching him play in the SEC....I was watching some of the youngsters and Halterman and Mark Estelle had some good moments and I think Halterman will be tough to cut. Estelle was doing a good job in short space on on the jam.

I have a bad hip and I am just off some meds so I struggle to get around.....so I was pretty dissapointed with yesterday since it hurts just to walk and I can't make multiple practices...from a fan's perspective yesterday was very dissapointing.

I agree. It was hard to see the linemen going at it on field 3. The LB's also stayed on field 3 mostly. The TE's and the WR's and QB's were the easiest to see on field 2.

TexansSeminole
07-31-2006, 12:10 PM
I know his skill-set, but he did not play up to that last year. He was play like he did at Miami yesterday. He was aggressive and wanted the ball more than our WR's. That was my obserbvation. That has been other people's observation as well. Buchanon would have earned the starting spot from Faggins anyways with how he is playing IMO.
Great, thats what we need from him.