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MasterC25
07-29-2006, 01:45 PM
Demarcus Faggins xray has returned and it has showed a slight fracture that will require 6-10 weeks of rehab. Dexter McCleon has been signed and P. Buch has reassumed his staring role.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4081063.html

TexansLucky13
07-29-2006, 01:51 PM
That stinks. I was really hoping this year could be his breakout year, but this is not a good start. Hopefully it's 6 weeks and not 10.... we can't afford to lose any depth at CB.

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2006, 01:52 PM
[QUOTE=MasterC25]Demarcus Faggins xray has returned and it has showed a slight fracture that will require 6-10 weeks of rehab. Dexter McCleon has been signed and P. Buch has reassumed his staring role.


For the whole article (http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4081063.html)

Double Barrel
07-29-2006, 02:23 PM
Bummer! :(

X-rays showed a cracked bone on the outside of his right foot.

Is this an injury that can plague him all season? Or will surgery and rehab alleviate the potential of reoccurrence? The story doesn't give a lot of details of the nature of the injury, so it's probably hard to tell.

nunusguy
07-29-2006, 02:33 PM
Dang I hate this crap. Not a single exibition game, not even one session of full
contact and we lose a starter 'till maybe after the Bye week.
I dunno, but looks like P-Burnt gets his chance with the new coach right away.

chuckm
07-29-2006, 03:37 PM
Well I guess better now than week #1 ..... maybe he misses 2 - 4 games ... less with luck, more without ...

keyfro
07-29-2006, 03:38 PM
well the good news is that faggins can be back by october at the latest...the other good news is that we get to sign a veteran corner in the league...mccleon while not the most celebrated name at corner is a solid vet in the league...and at the age of 32 gives us one more season to bring along mckenzie...needless to say corner will be a topic for the next offseason free agent market as it seems that there will be very few solid corners in next years draft...who knows maybe a solid vet. corner will aslo be released when the rosters start getting cut down...but i wish petey a speedy recovery hopefully he'll be ready by the end of september...and hopefully pbuc will learn to tackle between now and the start of the season

Carr Bombed
07-29-2006, 03:47 PM
Bummer! :(



Is this an injury that can plague him all season? Or will surgery and rehab alleviate the potential of reoccurrence? The story doesn't give a lot of details of the nature of the injury, so it's probably hard to tell.

Sometimes fractures in those areas can be tricky to heal, because they don't get a lot of blood flow, especially if its right on the edge of the foot. Of course they have state of the art medical facilities that we don't have the priviledge of

I'm not to worried about it though, injuries happen to every team, atleast it happened now so that Buchanon can prepare to be the starter (although he should be doing that anyway). Someone goes down, someone hast to step up. Its looks like we'll be picking up alot of cut corners around the league though to add depth.

Do you notice how sometimes theres the "injury" of the year with teams. It looks like this year its going to be the foot with us. First Mathis, now Faggins..........

TexanSam
07-29-2006, 03:53 PM
Well at least we picked up a solid veteran. McCleon isn't great, but I'd rather have him starting over a rookie.

LORK 88
07-29-2006, 03:57 PM
Sucks that we lose Fagins for that long, but all we can do know is take McCleon and move forward. This happens to every team every year, we just need to be glad we didnt lose a huge star on our team like Cleveland did with Bentley.

SnakeOilTanker
07-29-2006, 04:00 PM
knock on wood

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2006, 04:04 PM
Bummer! :(



Is this an injury that can plague him all season? Or will surgery and rehab alleviate the potential of reoccurrence? The story doesn't give a lot of details of the nature of the injury, so it's probably hard to tell.


Too vague at this time to make any determination.

aj.
07-29-2006, 04:05 PM
Keep an eye on John Walker #40 the rest of camp. Sanders and McKenzie are ahead of him but he's a new face in the mix and was getting plenty of reps.

F-minus67
07-29-2006, 04:09 PM
I broke one of the outside bones in my foot when I was in highschool. I think I had a cast on for the whole ten weeks, and unless Faggins has an incredible healing factor he will be out for a while.

The Dude Abides
07-29-2006, 04:16 PM
ESPN with a little more info...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2533656

The Houston Texans have lost starting cornerback DeMarcus Faggins for six to 10 weeks, likely sidelining him for at least the first month of the regular season, after the four-year veteran suffered a broken right foot.


DeMarcus Faggins
Cornerback
Houston Texans

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int
48 40 8 0 0 0


The injury, which occurred during a Friday training camp practice and was confirmed Saturday following an MRI exam, will require surgery. That will probably take place next week.

Losing the fiesty Faggins, who started a career-high 10 games in 2005 after previously performing as a standout nickel defender for the Texans, means that Phillip Buchanon will return to the starting lineup at right cornerback.

Dunta Robinson, the Texans' top player in the secondary, is the starting left cornerback.

Buchanon, acquired last spring for second- and third-round draft picks, was a disappointment in his initial season in Houston, and the former Oakland Raiders' 2002 first-rounder lost his job to Faggins after the first month of the campaign.

To compensate for the loss of Faggins, the Texans have reached a contract agreement in principle with veteran free agent Dexter McCleon, who was released by the Kansas City Chiefs earlier this spring. If he passes the team's physical exam, McCleon will sign before the end of the weekend. Details of his pending contract were not yet available.

nunusguy
07-29-2006, 04:17 PM
"…bests of 14.2 in the 110-meter high hurdles and 6-3 in the high jump…political science/American studies and ethnicity major...born in Wahiawa, Hi… was a television actor who appeared in such shows as "E.R." and "7th Heaven" as a child."
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=228&section=TH%20Players
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John Walker -
At 6'1" and 200 lbs, good size and was a hurdler (14.2 110 pretty impressive,
I think?). Might be a real sleeper ?

vtech9
07-29-2006, 04:25 PM
"…bests of 14.2 in the 110-meter high hurdles and 6-3 in the high jump…political science/American studies and ethnicity major...born in Wahiawa, Hi… was a television actor who appeared in such shows as "E.R." and "7th Heaven" as a child."
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=228&section=TH%20Players
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John Walker -
At 6'1" and 200 lbs, good size and was a hurdler (14.2 110 pretty impressive,
I think?). Might be a real sleeper ?
I am still hoping that McKenzie can improve enough to become the starter, or at least the nickle back. He may be small, but he is a burner, and a fiesty one at that. GO LITTLE GUY!!!

aj.
07-29-2006, 04:29 PM
Re: Walker. Seems to have good straight line speed but doesn't seem as loose in the hips as you would like so he can get turned around a bit - but with coaching who knows .... that's from watching maybe a half-dozen plays so take it for what it's worth. I didn't pay any attention to him at USC. Maybe there's a SoCal out there who can fill in details.

Tedc
07-29-2006, 04:32 PM
Get well SOON, Petey!

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2006, 04:57 PM
Re: Walker. Seems to have good straight line speed but doesn't seem as loose in the hips as you would like so he can get turned around a bit - but with coaching who knows .... that's from watching maybe a half-dozen plays so take it for what it's worth. I didn't pay any attention to him at USC. Maybe there's a SoCal out there who can fill in details.


The "looseness" factor you observed seems to be consistent with his predarft evaluation..........has played safety, wide receiver, kick returner and CB. His PROFILE (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draft/prospect?contentId=5527732) here may help with background.

Carr Bombed
07-29-2006, 05:06 PM
Here's an old SI article mentioning Buchanon


Buchanon, an explosive player who returned an interception for a touchdown and busted a punt return for a score during his abbreviated rookie year, relishes the notion of playing opposite a revived Woodson. "It's not going to be a pretty sight for offensive coordinators," says Buchanon, a first-round pick from Miami in 2002. "A lot of people are going to try me, and I can't wait."

Woodson, too, remains confident. Asked about the possibility of forming one of the alltime cornerback combinations with Buchanon, he says, "I feel any tandem I'm part of has a chance to be one of the best."

The Raiders would like nothing more than for their brash corners to back up their words.

Enemy Lines: An opposing scout's view

"This is still a very good team, and it could be better defensively this year because Phillip Buchanon is back from a broken wrist -- the secondary suffered last year when he went down. People talk about Champ Bailey, but Buchanon is the league's top young talent back there. He has great quickness, lateral movement, footwork and coverage skills............


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/magazine/08/26/raiders/

Man Buchanon needs to tap into some of that potential this year. Hes at a turning point in his career, either he will claim a starting position and get a new lucrative contract or become a retread backup bust moving around the league...

I hope our coaches can salvage him.

GuerillaBlack
07-29-2006, 05:28 PM
Should not be that bad. How many games is he missing? Four at best.

vtech9
07-29-2006, 05:48 PM
Too vague at this time to make any determination.
if it hasn't been posted yet...at the bottom of the practice report

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2682&section=N%20Latest%20News


Injury update: The Texans' worst fears were realized late Friday as cornerback Demarcus Faggins was diagnosed with a “Jones fracture” in his foot. A Jones fracture is a fracture of the fifth metatarsal of the foot, which is a bone in the midportion of the foot. Pain is usually felt over the middle and outside area of the foot when the foot is injured.

Faggins will be examined by Dr. Tom Clanton in the next few days with a surgery to follow to insert a pin to aid the heeling process. He is expected to be out six to 10 weeks.

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2006, 07:46 PM
if it hasn't been posted yet...at the bottom of the practice report

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2682&section=N%20Latest%20News


Faggin evidently did not just "roll his" ankle, which simply tears away a piece of bone still attached to the connecting muscle. This is usually treated conservatively with casting or 4-6 weeks (time of actual bone healing). The prognosis is usually long term excellent........same for a simple stress fracture..........crutches until no pain.......then rehab.

The metatarsal is the bone connecting the toe bone with the ankle bone (instep area). When there is a mid shaft fracture, these can be treated again conservatively, except for 6-8 weeks. In the case of an athlete like Faggin, you're better off to give more assurance to healing in a timely manner with surgery....internal screw fixation and soft cast/boot.

Jones fractures have been many times misreferred to as synonymous with mid shaft fractures. However they refer to a fracture in a specific area of the shaft. If you think of a drumstick, you can picture a bone that looks like a sort of a dumbell........a central shaft with a ball like structure on either end containing the joint surfaces.........the distal ball connected to the toe bone ad the proximal connected to the ankle bone. Well in this case (Jones fracture), the fracture is located right at the junction of where the shaft and the proximal ball meets. This particular fracture is seldom treated with the conservative 6-8 week casting,, especially in athletes. Surgically driving a screw from the ball to the shaft is usually used to secure the fracture. Healing again is usually 4-6 weeks.

The recovery to return to full activity is variable from player to player to player. After shaft and Jones fracture surgery, the patient is usually fitted with a well-padded splint or cast. Weight bearing is allowed, as tolerated, as soon as 7 to 10 days postoperatively. The patient’s return to light exercise, such as swimming, stationary bicycling, or the use of a stair-step machine, is allowed in 2 to 3 weeks. For athletes, the return to competitive activity is guided by the patient’s symptoms, ( running on a hard surface can begin once soreness is relieved, usually at 6-8 weeks, and then finally a return to full activities including twisting and pivoting by 8-10 weeks) but it can usually occur within 12 weeks.

The good news is that once healed and properly rehabbed, prognosis for return to preinjury performance is excellent.

vtech9
07-29-2006, 08:21 PM
Faggin evidently did not just "roll his" ankle, which simply tears away a piece of bone still attached to the connecting muscle. This is usually treated conservatively with casting or 4-6 weeks (time of actual bone healing). The prognosis is usually long term excellent........same for a simple stress fracture..........crutches until no pain.......then rehab.

The metatarsal is the bone connecting the toe bone with the ankle bone (instep area). When there is a mid shaft fracture, these can be treated again conservatively, except for 6-8 weeks. In the case of an athlete like Faggin, you're better off to give more assurance to healing in a timely manner with surgery....internal screw fixation and soft cast/boot.

Jones fractures have been many times misreferred to as synonymous with mid shaft fractures. However they refer to a fracture in a specific area of the shaft. If you think of a drumstick, you can picture a bone that looks like a sort of a dumbell........a central shaft with a ball like structure on either end containing the joint surfaces.........the distal ball connected to the toe bone ad the proximal connected to the ankle bone. Well in this case (Jones fracture), the fracture is located right at the junction of where the shaft and the proximal ball meets. This particular fracture is seldom treated with the conservative 6-8 week casting,, especially in athletes. Surgically driving a screw from the ball to the shaft is usually used to secure the fracture. Healing again is usually 4-6 weeks.

The recovery to return to full activity is variable from player to player to player. After shaft and Jones fracture surgery, the patient is usually fitted with a well-padded splint or cast. Weight bearing is allowed, as tolerated, as soon as 7 to 10 days postoperatively. The patient’s return to light exercise, such as swimming, stationary bicycling, or the use of a stair-step machine, is allowed in 2 to 3 weeks. For athletes, the return to competitive activity is guided by the patient’s symptoms, ( running on a hard surface can begin once soreness is relieved, usually at 6-8 weeks, and then finally a return to full activities including twisting and pivoting by 8-10 weeks) but it can usually occur within 12 weeks.

The good news is that once healed and properly rehabbed, prognosis for return to preinjury performance is excellent.
CND, I specifically quoted you with my post to see if you would come back with some of your medical knowledge. I wasn't disappointed. Thanks for the information.

Basically what this tells me is that Faggins is done for the season. Even if he comes back before the season is over, he will have to get back into football shape. Not only that, he will have lost his starting spot (if he actually had one) to whoever is out there, and he will probably only play sparingly. What I see the Texans doing is putting him on the PUP list, and then moving him to IR when the time comes.

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
07-29-2006, 08:34 PM
Man was shocked to see this thread title. Realy sucks I had high hopes for Faggins this year. Injury bugs bites bite at the worst time. My best wishes on a speedy recovery Petey, get well soon the team needs ya.

TexansSeminole
07-29-2006, 09:55 PM
It will open some spots on our roster for someone, so we should start seeing some competition there. Dexter McCleon is a good veteran, he'd be good at the nickel spot now.

We'll see what Buchanon does.

Koolaid Time
07-29-2006, 10:06 PM
It will open some spots on our roster for someone, so we should start seeing some competition there. Dexter McCleon is a good veteran, he'd be good at the nickel spot now.

We'll see what Buchanon does.

So what do they do for Faggin's roster spot? Designate him physically unable to perform? He has to wait longer before he is activiated doesn't he?

aj.
07-29-2006, 10:12 PM
Silly ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2533964

If Dexter can hang in there through Week 6 (which is all he was able to do last year) then that should be enough time to get Petey back.

Anyone want to take odds on CB being the #1 draft pick in '07?

GP
07-29-2006, 10:24 PM
Great.........

Phillis is back in action again.

Uggghhhhh...:brickwall

TexansSeminole
07-29-2006, 10:45 PM
Anyone want to take odds on CB being the #1 draft pick in '07?

No, I don't think so. Maybe though. I see us going for one before the 4th next year though.

edo783
07-29-2006, 11:02 PM
Anyone want to take odds on CB being the #1 draft pick in '07?

Depending on how the season plays out, I could see that big time.

threetoedpete
07-29-2006, 11:40 PM
Get well SOON, Petey!
that which dosen't kill ya makes you stronger. Get well soon .


means that Phillip Buchanon will return to the starting lineup at right cornerback.


Well , could be worse. They say luck is where hard work meets oportunity. We'll see if Phillip takes advantage of this oportunity. Doesn't have to kill people with his tackeling, just hold on till help comes. I believe his stinkin' mind is right. We'll see.

MorKnolle
07-30-2006, 12:26 AM
Silly ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2533964

If Dexter can hang in there through Week 6 (which is all he was able to do last year) then that should be enough time to get Petey back.

Anyone want to take odds on CB being the #1 draft pick in '07?

PBuch has looked marginally better so far and is in a contract year, so maybe he'll finally put things together. Faggins being out shouldn't hurt too much, and it gives guys like Chris McKenzie and Lewis Sanders more reps in practice.

TexansSeminole
07-30-2006, 06:58 AM
Anyone want to take odds on CB being the #1 draft pick in '07?

No, I don't think so. Maybe though. I see us going for one before the 4th next year though.

nunusguy
07-30-2006, 12:54 PM
No more "Show Time" ? Nope, I don't think so.
Saw P-Burnt on a 13 interview and he was very serious. I think he's got the religion from Preacher Kubiak and seems to be commited to giving it his
best shot to effectively replacing Faggins.
And I saw nothing of P-Burnt's little alter ego buddie "Show Time". He was not
wise craking, talkin Trash, none of that.

chuckm
07-30-2006, 01:04 PM
I was at practice this morning ..... I didn't have much of a view of things but in the WR/DB 1-1 drills PBuc looked pretty good ..... but then again there wasn't much to compare him to since DRob was in shorts and Faggins obviously out ... McLeon was there but looked like he was just getting his "Texans" feet wet ...

PapaL
07-31-2006, 12:40 AM
Leave to the beach for a few days and all heck breaks loose. 6-10 weeks, wow. Atleast he should be healthly early in the season. On the bright side, McCleon use to be very good. Hopefully we can get something out of these next few years.