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hollywood_texan
07-24-2006, 05:12 PM
I have ESPN Insider, and Jeremy Green wrote the article on the Texans Camp Preview. I think Jeremy doesn't know what he is talking about or just doesn't know how to convey his thoughts.

First, Jeremy basically says Williams has more to prove than Carr? Is this just ridiculous? Essentially, his point is Williams has to prove he was worth passing on Bush and Young. Maybe Carr needs to prove something since we passed on Julius Peppers in 2002? What is this guy talking about? He needs to get a clue. Carr has more to prove than anyone in the entire organization, expect for McNair himself.

He goes on in his review of the Texans and says that Carr will have a breakout year, but finishes his analysis by saying "expect him to become a middle-of-the-road NFL starter with the upside to get even better in 2007." Wow, that is a breakout year, Carr will just be average.

Another stunner in his review of the Texans is that Dunta Robinson will be the comeback player of the year. He states Robinson had a sophomore slump from his rookie year. Well, there was no pash rush last year and they couldn't stop the run, what does this guy expect from a corner back? It's not like a corner back can put a defense on his back and carry them to victory.

If you don't have ESPN Insider, don't worry about. There are many people on this board that do a lot better analysis than this lame writer. I am going to stick with you guys than this cruddy ESPN garbage. Need to get a refund on my ESPN subscription.

Brandon420tx
07-24-2006, 05:23 PM
I put Carr, because everyone is going to give Mario the rookie slack should he not get 16 sacks this year.

Double Barrel
07-24-2006, 05:24 PM
Four year veteran Carr has helluva' lot more to prove than rookie Williams, IMHO.

I wouldn't mind an "average" QB on a winning team, though. ;)

Vinny
07-24-2006, 05:48 PM
I pointed out Robinson's poor play many times as the year wore on last season so I think he has a bit of a point but he goes totally overboard about the comeback player thing. He wasn't that bad.

nunusguy
07-24-2006, 06:16 PM
I don't think there's much doubt that DC is the guy under the gun this year,
and in a way that he's never been before. But I also think that we every right to expect Mario to have a Shawn Merriamn type rookie season, though
obviously he doesn't run the risk of losing his job with the Texans this year
as Carr does.

AJExplosion80
07-24-2006, 06:22 PM
David has way more to prove than Mario. This is David's make or break year. If he struggles this year we will be going for a QB next year I guarentee. But I think this year if he learns to trust his OL we will be fine. If he has happy feet we could be in trouble again this year.:chicken:

cincyTEXAN
07-24-2006, 06:40 PM
how bout the entire team.

swtbound07
07-24-2006, 06:41 PM
Lets see...the guy in the league for 5 YEARS with no performance...or the guy who got drafted 5 months ago. hmmm...seems like a no brainer to me

Wolf
07-24-2006, 08:22 PM
to switch gears.


I think the OL has more to prove, (not saying Carr doesn't have anything he is a very close 2nd)..
We have some 1st day draft picks on the OL and have big money on FA OL

Reason I say OL, we have blamed the coaches and they are gone, we have sherman and company that are zone blocking coaches... if they can't get the OL in gear, then we are back to square one

I want to know if Wand is the one that is a starter in 2004 or the Wand that was in the doghouse in 2005. I want to know if Flannigan can hold the center position and I want to know if McKinney can still play guard (he did his best at center but lets see if he can be solid at guard )

AFD1717
07-24-2006, 08:35 PM
I am a big time "Wait and See" guy with Carr, but if he sucks next year I'm through making excuses for him. If Mario struggles, I'll be disappointed but sometimes it takes a year...

TwinSisters
07-24-2006, 09:57 PM
uh... alright.

Mario Williams doesn't have anything to prove this year. All he has to do is not get played and he will be fine. Hell, all he has to really do is make one monster hit for the highlight reels and this season is a wrap for him. After Leinert and Young start playing with the rest of the class next year, that is when things will heat up for him a bit. The rookie shield will work for one season on most players.

Kubiak/Carr have the seat this year... and rightfully so. In fact, I am waiting for the Texans PR machine to start shifting the weight to Carr/Kubiak to help Mario out. Sorta like what Pittsburgh did with Bettis and Rothlisburgensteiner ... still can't spell it right! ERRrrrr will look it up again... Roethlisberger.

But it's still a little early also...

edo783
07-24-2006, 10:07 PM
Oh geeee, another disingenuous thread started with some pseudo reason so that the group of 6 or 8 prolific posting Carr haters can continue to take shots at Carr.

Napa Auto Parts
07-24-2006, 10:59 PM
David Carr since Mario williams might get the you were the 1st over pick we wont ever blame you for anything kind of slack.:stirpot:

hollywood_texan
07-25-2006, 11:12 AM
Oh geeee, another disingenuous thread started with some pseudo reason so that the group of 6 or 8 prolific posting Carr haters can continue to take shots at Carr.

Please explain yourself.

How could this be a disingeonous thread? Do you believe Mario Williams has more to prove than David Carr? The point of this thread was a response to some lame writer making the point Mario Williams has to prove himself in 2006 more than David Carr.

If you answer yes, that Mario Williams has more to prove,who is really being disingenuous?

By the way, if Mario Williams has to prove himself that we passed on Reggie Bush, then doesn't David Carr need to prove himself since we passed on Vince Young? Just following the writer's logic.

edo783, you are the one with blinders. By the way look at the poll. Most people agree that Carr has more to prove than Williams.

Ohhhh, geeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Also, I don't see anyone slaming Carr in this thread, just merely discussing the issue of who has more to prove, Williams or Carr.

real
07-25-2006, 11:32 AM
Oh geeee, another disingenuous thread started with some pseudo reason so that the group of 6 or 8 prolific posting Carr haters can continue to take shots at Carr.

Carr Sucks !!! ...j/k...

Vinny
07-25-2006, 11:34 AM
Oh geeee, another disingenuous thread started with some pseudo reason so that the group of 6 or 8 prolific posting Carr haters can continue to take shots at Carr.It kinda tells me that people are split on Carr and he does play the most important position in the offense. I'm not surprised that people are worried about his game going forward. It's certainly an issue worth talking about on the teams message board imo.

HOU-TEX
07-25-2006, 11:58 AM
Look, I don't know about ya'll but I beleive DC WILL be much improved. He's got the right tools he just needs to be taught to use them correctly. Yes, he is the one that has to prove something and I think he will.:superman:

TexanBearkat
07-25-2006, 12:20 PM
A lot of eyes will be on Williams but Carr has more to prove for a few reasons:

Carr regressed last season after improving each of previous years
Organization brought in an Offensive minded head coach/system to help Carr
Gave Carr the three year bonus option when other options where available
This is Carr's 5th year and time to show why he was the #1 pick

Rosewood
07-25-2006, 12:31 PM
I voted Carr but they both have a lot to prove...the #1 pick has to show the world why he was indeed the top pick in the draft...at the same time, a 4 year vet has to show he can lead a team...Carr has to step it up with the better supporting cast around him...

edo783
07-25-2006, 02:30 PM
It kinda tells me that people are split on Carr and he does play the most important position in the offense. I'm not surprised that people are worried about his game going forward. It's certainly an issue worth talking about on the teams message board imo.

No doubt about that Vinny. I am worried also about his performance. Itís the adnausium constancy of some to do nothing but take shots at every opportunity. Discussion is fine and I am all for it, but some just want to keep finding ways to put up something that allows a certain segment to just continue their constant diatribe.

MorKnolle
07-25-2006, 03:24 PM
I picked Carr, but IMO everyone on the team has something to prove, from the players, to the coaches, to the front office.

hollywood_texan
07-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Let me recap:

I have ESPN Insider, and Jeremy Green wrote the article on the Texans Camp Preview. I think Jeremy doesn't know what he is talking about or just doesn't know how to convey his thoughts.

First, Jeremy basically says Williams has more to prove than Carr? Is this just ridiculous? Essentially, his point is Williams has to prove he was worth passing on Bush and Young. Maybe Carr needs to prove something since we passed on Julius Peppers in 2002? What is this guy talking about? He needs to get a clue. Carr has more to prove than anyone in the entire organization, expect for McNair himself.

He goes on in his review of the Texans and says that Carr will have a breakout year, but finishes his analysis by saying "expect him to become a middle-of-the-road NFL starter with the upside to get even better in 2007." Wow, that is a breakout year, Carr will just be average.

Another stunner in his review of the Texans is that Dunta Robinson will be the comeback player of the year. He states Robinson had a sophomore slump from his rookie year. Well, there was no pash rush last year and they couldn't stop the run, what does this guy expect from a corner back? It's not like a corner back can put a defense on his back and carry them to victory.

If you don't have ESPN Insider, don't worry about. There are many people on this board that do a lot better analysis than this lame writer. I am going to stick with you guys than this cruddy ESPN garbage. Need to get a refund on my ESPN subscription.


Oh geeee, another disingenuous thread started with some pseudo reason so that the group of 6 or 8 prolific posting Carr haters can continue to take shots at Carr.

Please explain yourself.

How could this be a disingeonous thread? Do you believe Mario Williams has more to prove than David Carr? The point of this thread was a response to some lame writer making the point Mario Williams has to prove himself in 2006 more than David Carr.

If you answer yes, that Mario Williams has more to prove,who is really being disingenuous?

By the way, if Mario Williams has to prove himself that we passed on Reggie Bush, then doesn't David Carr need to prove himself since we passed on Vince Young? Just following the writer's logic.

edo783, you are the one with blinders. By the way look at the poll. Most people agree that Carr has more to prove than Williams.

Ohhhh, geeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Also, I don't see anyone slaming Carr in this thread, just merely discussing the issue of who has more to prove, Williams or Carr.



It kinda tells me that people are split on Carr and he does play the most important position in the offense. I'm not surprised that people are worried about his game going forward. It's certainly an issue worth talking about on the teams message board imo.


No doubt about that Vinny. I am worried also about his performance. It’s the adnausium constancy of some to do nothing but take shots at every opportunity. Discussion is fine and I am all for it, but some just want to keep finding ways to put up something that allows a certain segment to just continue their constant diatribe.

edo783, I asked you to explain your disinginous comment and you simply just responded to Vinny.

ed0783, you are the disinginous person here. There are several Carr threads out there, and I checked you postings, and I don't see you making that many comments on those threads, and those threads are banging on Carr. That isn't the point of this thread, just some lame writer's take. Further, you don't call anyone out on anything on those other threads.

If you feel so stongly about this, then you should post similar thoughts on the other threads out there and explain your point more clearly in this one.

Bottom line, 90% of the poll believe Carr has more to prove than Williams.

You missed the point because you have some axe to grind with me.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Are you guys going to fight?

real
07-25-2006, 03:31 PM
Man...Get over it...Carr is THE most recognizable face on our team...Why wouldn't he get talked about more and scrutinized more than other players ???

hollywood_texan
07-25-2006, 03:32 PM
Are you guys going to fight?

No, edo783 and I have gone around a little. I used to think he was cool, but it appears for some reason he is picking me out of the so-called Carr bashers and going after me. Look around, there are many more people slamming Carr more than me, and the point of my thread wasn't to bang on Carr.

Look at the poll, and 90% agree Carr has more to prove than Williams. But, I guess that is Carr bashing.

That is just ridiculous.

real
07-25-2006, 03:35 PM
The "Carr Bashers" IMO, are the reasonable ones...I haven't seen too many post really "bashing" Carr...the Carr apologist just have this sick vindetta to defend him no matter what...well when will enough be enough ?

swtbound07
07-25-2006, 04:21 PM
The "Carr Bashers" IMO, are the reasonable ones...I haven't seen too many post really "bashing" Carr...the Carr apologist just have this sick vindetta to defend him no matter what...well when will enough be enough ?

Me? Reasonable? Thats a first.

HOU-TEX
07-25-2006, 04:33 PM
Me? Reasonable? Thats a first.

I would think he was excluding you.....jk..lol

edo783
07-25-2006, 04:40 PM
edo783, I asked you to explain your disinginous comment and you simply just responded to Vinny.

Sorry I didn't respond. Didn't think it was worth entering into what might be some sort of flame war. Not my style. However, by posting a thread with the heading and subject matter that you chose, you had to know what you would be causing to happen. Either that or your dumber than a pet rock and I very much doubt that. So, with having to know what would be the result of who and how you were setting the stage for comentary, that is the disingenous part of it. Maybe you think it is great fun to start those sort of things, but I do not.

Bottom line, 90% of the poll believe Carr has more to prove than Williams.

No surprise there because he does have more to prove in the short term and a predominate amount of responses are by those from the "Carr is responsible for world hunger and everything else that is wrong" crowd. I am not a Carr backer, but I resent that when a certain faction refuses to accept that it is a team sport and everything does not rest with one player. Is QB an important position, heck yes, but to say everything is his responsibility and that he is the total causality of all that was wrong is stupid and that is what some folks are trying to make become what would amount to an urban legend by constantly spouting the same drival over and over and constantly highjacking threads to do so and then starting threads that will lead no where but into the ditch of Carr critisism which is exactly where they want it to go.


You missed the point because you have some axe to grind with me.

Hardly, on either point.

swtbound07
07-25-2006, 04:41 PM
edo783, I asked you to explain your disinginous comment and you simply just responded to Vinny.

Sorry I didn't respond. Didn't think it was worth entering into what might be some sort of flame war. Not my style. However, by posting a thread with the heading and subject matter that you chose, you had to know what you would be causing to happen. Either that or your dumber than a pet rock and I very much doubt that. So, with having to know what would be the result of who and how you were setting the stage for comentary, that is the disingenous part of it. Maybe you think it is great fun to start those sort of things, but I do not.

Bottom line, 90% of the poll believe Carr has more to prove than Williams.

No surprise there because he does have more to prove in the short term and a predominate amount of responses are by those from the "Carr is responsible for world hunger and everything else that is wrong" crowd. I am not a Carr backer, but I resent that when a certain faction refuses to accept that it is a team sport and everything does not rest with one player. Is QB an important position, heck yes, but to say everything is his responsibility and that he is the total causality of all that was wrong is stupid and that is what some folks are trying to make become what would amount to an urban legend by constantly spouting the same drival over and over and constantly highjacking threads to do so and then starting threads that will lead no where but into the ditch of Carr critisism which is exactly where they want it to go.


You missed the point because you have some axe to grind with me.

Hardly, on either point.

All the other causalities have been fired. I just want equality.

hollywood_texan
07-25-2006, 05:04 PM
edo783, I asked you to explain your disinginous comment and you simply just responded to Vinny.

Sorry I didn't respond. Didn't think it was worth entering into what might be some sort of flame war. Not my style. However, by posting a thread with the heading and subject matter that you chose, you had to know what you would be causing to happen. Either that or your dumber than a pet rock and I very much doubt that. So, with having to know what would be the result of who and how you were setting the stage for comentary, that is the disingenous part of it. Maybe you think it is great fun to start those sort of things, but I do not.

Bottom line, 90% of the poll believe Carr has more to prove than Williams.

No surprise there because he does have more to prove in the short term and a predominate amount of responses are by those from the "Carr is responsible for world hunger and everything else that is wrong" crowd. I am not a Carr backer, but I resent that when a certain faction refuses to accept that it is a team sport and everything does not rest with one player. Is QB an important position, heck yes, but to say everything is his responsibility and that he is the total causality of all that was wrong is stupid and that is what some folks are trying to make become what would amount to an urban legend by constantly spouting the same drival over and over and constantly highjacking threads to do so and then starting threads that will lead no where but into the ditch of Carr critisism which is exactly where they want it to go.


You missed the point because you have some axe to grind with me.

Hardly, on either point.

You don't want to start some sort of "flame war", but you say that I had to know what would happen or I would "be dumber than a pet rock." I guess I am dumber than a pet rock because I didn't think it would be an issue. Look at the poll and everyone else's comments, no one takes the same the issue as you do. You should take note, if you don't want to start a "flame war", don't imply someone is "dumber than a pet rock."

Your second response regarding David's responsibility to the team isn't even discussed in this thread. You are going way off base regarding the topic. Which why is why I say you have an axe to grind with me. But since you brought it up, David is held totally responsible, just like how Dom Capers was at the end of last season. If the Texans win the Super Bowl this year and David Carr has an amazing year, who is going to get all the glory? David Carr of course, that is how it works being a QB in the NFL, all the GLORY and ALL THE BLAME (of course blame has nothing to do with world hunger, you exaggerate too much, you need to relax).

Why are you on this thread saying such things anyway and putting things in bold? If you are so concerned about these Carr threads, I want to see you make the same remarks on those other threads. Please do and let me know where because I want to see your passion on another places on this board where the exact thing you don't like is going on.

Be consistent edo783, that is my point. Further, you missed the point of the thread. Funny thing is you do agree with me, Carr has more to prove than Williams. Which brings me back to the axe you are trying to grind.

HOU-TEX
07-25-2006, 05:08 PM
You don't want to start some sort of "flame war", but you say that I had to know what would happen or I would "be dumber than a pet rock." I guess I am dumber than a pet rock because I didn't think it would be an issue. Look at the poll and everyone else's comments, no one takes the same the issue as you do. You should take note, if you don't want to start a "flame war", don't imply someone is "dumber than a pet rock."

Your second response regarding David's responsibility to the team isn't even discussed in this thread. You are going way off base regarding the topic. Which why is why I say you have an axe to grind with me. But since you brought it up, David is held totally responsible, just like how Dom Capers was at the end of last season. If the Texans win the Super Bowl this year and David Carr has an amazing year, who is going to get all the glory? David Carr of course, that is how it works being a QB in the NFL, all the GLORY and ALL THE BLAME (of course blame has nothing to do with world hunger, you exaggerate too much, you need to relax).

Why are you on this thread saying such things anyway and putting things in bold? If you are so concerned about these Carr threads, I want to see you make the same remarks on those other threads. Please do and let me know where because I want to see your passion on another places on this board where the exact thing you don't like is going on.

Be consistent edo783, that is my point. Further, you missed the point of the thread. Funny thing is you do agree with me, Carr has more to prove than Williams. Which brings me back to the axe you are trying to grind.

Isn't there private messages that can be sent rather than killing this thread?:offtopic

BigDTexansFan
07-25-2006, 05:32 PM
I would say Carr, he has been in league for 4 years so no I'm a rookie excuses. Mario even if not as dominating as I think he will be, most would say he's only a rookie. Carr knows that Texans took a huge chance not drafting a QB this year and putting 8 Mil in his jeans, he has more to prove conversely though he has more weapons now (Moulds, Jameel Cook, Walter and Putzier) then he has at any time in past seasons.

HeartofHouston
07-25-2006, 06:08 PM
I wish there was a both box on this one cause they both have a lot to prove.. Williams because as we all know this will forever be the guy that the Texans passed up THE Reggie Bush for.. so everything that he does will have the fish bowl effect..

Carr because as we all know it's been 4 years and now winning season.. now he's a got a better line, better recieving corp, Better offensive system and a better Offensive coach if he doesnt produce this year then we draft a QB in the 07 draft and give Carr that next year and if he starts to struggle pull him for the rook, if he does a good job then he we keep him in and the decision is up in the air from there..

But overall since i had to only pick 1 i'm going with Carr cause he HAS to the be the leader on this ENTIRE team and where the QB goes - the team goes..

disaacks3
07-25-2006, 08:13 PM
...and here I was just going to stay out of this :rolleyes:

Part I - Just for the Two "Combatants"

There are only two options w/ this poll, and "common sense" dictates the answer would be Carr - Call that one vote for the "Pet Rock" campaign.

I'm far from a Carr-basher, but I picked Carr in the poll question - Call that one vote against the "Carr causes world hunger" agenda.

Please make some sort of peace over this, we're all hoping for W's come Game Day, even if we're not in agreement over the personnel.



Part II - For those feeling like Collateral Damage in this thread

Mario is definitely "under pressure", but I can't imagine ANY Defensive End that has more scrutiny focused on his play than the QB. Like a pitcher in baseball or a goalie in hockey....it's the nature of the position. The Texans won the "Bush Bowl" and picked up Mario instead. Given that he was STILL projected a top-five pick, and he was certainly a NEED pickup (especially going to a 4-3), and a rookie to boot...he's under pressure to perform, but not at a 'make or break' pace this year.

IMHO a "Carr Hater" fails to recognize a few simple things...

1) Carr was on an upward spiral until last year. I don't care if it wasn't quick enough to your liking, it simply WAS. Throw out that last year - One so grand it got the Front Office GUTTED, and you allow yourself to acknowledge that it's possible that he can do well.

2) Carr has NEVER had anything even resembling an "adequate" O-Line. If you can't see this, I've gotta discount your keen powers of observation. Last year, our illustrious Front Office made public statements about protecting our QB a TOP priority. Unfortunately, comments didn't do much to protect the QB and he got hammered...again.

3) The BEST Carr has looked was when they "removed the handcuffs" for a brief period. The potential is there, but it's been anything but 'nurtured' thus far.

4) Carr IS one tough S-O-B. Even if he's not taking LT-to-Theismann blows every game, he's certainly taken a beating and keeps coming back. Give him his due on this, even if you hold HIM responsible for some of the hits.


In my eyes, you're NOT a "Carr-Hater" for pointing out the obvious like the following...

1) Carr has caused many "sacks" by not throwing the ball away and running out behind the LoS.

2) Carr needs his first instinct to be something other than the "Dump to RB" passing-play.

3) Carr has "happy feet". Forget the cause (O-Line), it's still an issue.

The Pencil Neck
07-25-2006, 08:44 PM
In my eyes, you're NOT a "Carr-Hater" for pointing out the obvious like the following...

1) Carr has caused many "sacks" by not throwing the ball away and running out behind the LoS.

2) Carr needs his first instinct to be something other than the "Dump to RB" passing-play.

3) Carr has "happy feet". Forget the cause (O-Line), it's still an issue.

I'd like to point out a couple of other things that worry me about Carr.

1. A good quarterback has a "get rid of it" clock in his head. He can look at the defense, know his protection, and know how long he's got before he's got to get rid of it. I fear that Carr's clock has been irreparably set to 0.5 seconds.

2. A good quarterback doesn't look at the pass rush. QB's that have been beaten up like Carr frequently can't get their eyes off the pass rush long enough to go through their reads.

If he doesn't have problems with these things after what he's been through, then he really is one tough mutha.

edo783
07-25-2006, 10:07 PM
I'd like to point out a couple of other things that worry me about Carr.

1. A good quarterback has a "get rid of it" clock in his head. He can look at the defense, know his protection, and know how long he's got before he's got to get rid of it. I fear that Carr's clock has been irreparably set to 0.5 seconds.

2. A good quarterback doesn't look at the pass rush. QB's that have been beaten up like Carr frequently can't get their eyes off the pass rush long enough to go through their reads.

If he doesn't have problems with these things after what he's been through, then he really is one tough mutha.

I share those same concerns.

TexanFan881
07-25-2006, 10:12 PM
I share those same concerns.

Same here too. Those are the only doubts I have about Carr but I have a good feeling that Kubiak will help him adjust to having time in the pocket. (congrats on 3,000 posts :thumbup)

infantrycak
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
I'd like to point out a couple of other things that worry me about Carr.

1. A good quarterback has a "get rid of it" clock in his head. He can look at the defense, know his protection, and know how long he's got before he's got to get rid of it. I fear that Carr's clock has been irreparably set to 0.5 seconds.

2. A good quarterback doesn't look at the pass rush. QB's that have been beaten up like Carr frequently can't get their eyes off the pass rush long enough to go through their reads.

If he doesn't have problems with these things after what he's been through, then he really is one tough mutha.

I share your concern. On the other hand, there are innumerable examples of great QB's such as Manning folding under pressure and violating exactly what you are saying. I'd like to see Carr get a 4 game stretch with under 9 sacks total (by no means a high standard--36 on the year, mid pack at best) and let's see what happens. If he can't pony up then--time to move on.

hollywood_texan
07-26-2006, 11:34 AM
Please make some sort of peace over this, we're all hoping for W's come Game Day, even if we're not in agreement over the personnel. [/B]

Definitely, I don't hold any ill feelings. I say what I mean and that is it. There is too much going on in life and the world to get too concerned about the Texans or this message board.

edo783 and I have gone to the mat a few times on the Carr topic. I understand and appreciate his perspective even though I don't agree with it. But it just struck me as a little strange that he calls me out regarding my thread when there are threads directly saying Carr is terrible. I never said that in this thread and that wasn't the point, also he doesn't unload on the other people saying directly Carr is a bum. If he had unloaded on those people or threads, I wouldn't have said anything. If I have my facts wrong, please point them out. As it stands, edo783 selected my thread and me personally. I have asked him to explain twice and he hasn't done it, so I am left to my assumption that he has an axe to grind with me.

If I can't call this out without being labeled as a hater or anything else, then it makes sense that I can't say Carr has more to prove than Williams without getting banged on when most people agree with the statement. The more I think about it, the more absurd this whole thing sounds to me.

Look, I take this exchange as two lineman going at it in training camp because they are so fired up. It happens sometimes.

Now that I have thought of the proving something thing regarding Carr, I definitely think Carr has a lot more to prove. Here is why...

First, the Texans passed on Julius Peppers for Carr. It appears Peppers is on track to a very good career. Second, the Texans passed on Vince Young to extend Carr's contract. My call is Vince will have an amazing career. Even though I would have taken Vince, I completely understand McNair's decision and behind it 100%. I can't argue with how they are assembling the team right, they are doing a great job. However, there are some risks and some Monday morning quarterbacking that will come into play if they are not successfull. First, starting with drafting Carr in 2002 and deciding to keep him in 2006. There are risks here.

Let's get something straight, Mario Williams was never compared in the draft analysis to Vince Young because he was ruled out at the beginning of the draft anlaysis. Read the articles, Vince was ruled out straight from the beginning and many Carr supporters said right after the Rose Bowl, Vince would not be selected because the Texans are keeping Carr. Also, Williams was selected for reasons other than athletic ability in comparison to Bush, which we are beginning to see.

If Carr doesn't pan out, they are not only going to be looking at the 2002 draft, but also the 2006 draft and how the Texans made decisions related to Carr. I am not banging on Carr, this is reality.

In some respects, David Carr has become 2 #1 draft picks.

I wish him the best of luck!

Ye Olde Pro
08-07-2006, 06:19 AM
Carr is undoubtably on the hot seat with the fans right now. Personally I don't believe that he has ever had the opportunity to improve. It is real difficult to complete a pass when you are sitting on your butt!

Texans fans need to forget about Vince. He's gone, and at some point probably won't be quite as well loved as he is now. Remember he plays for Bud now.

Carr will be just fine thank you. Kubiak will bring the best out in him. The new revamped defense appears to be what we have been looking for all along, attack attack attack!! So if anybody or group has something to prove more than Carr, it's the "D". Lemme see, where were they ranked last year?????