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tamu texan
07-22-2006, 01:16 PM
Allow me to preface this by saying that I am a huge Reggie Bush fan as a football player. My screams and expletives could be heard far and wide when I found out that we would not be selecting him with the first pick in the draft. That said, I have bought into the idea and now firmly believe that Mario will have a HUGE impact on our team. Knowing that he is signed and ready to go (toenails all healed I hope) will allow the Texans to focus on the monumental task ahead of them without the media distractions of signing their first pick. Which brings me back to Reggie Bush and the Saints. The following report says it all...

Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.
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Just imagine if the Texans were in the Saints position right now. I know many have chosen, like me, to put the Reggie issue behind them and have moved on, but I think we can all feel a little better about the move given the above developments.

mario. mariO. maRIO! MARIO! MARIO!!! :redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:

cap1
07-22-2006, 01:28 PM
I am glad we have mario.

Wolf
07-22-2006, 01:29 PM
I think he will sign with the Saints before the season starts. yet if true, my perception of Bush has changed... In front of the camera, he seems like a humble guy (of course I haven't really followed everything that has gone with him).

if true and the Saints can't sign him.. I guess they could trade the rights to him to a team?

and if true that Bush goes back into the draft and as much as I hate the Sooners as a team, I would hope Adrian Peterson has a monster year (while the team loses) and if he declaired becomes the 1st RB taken in the draft and Bush would lose more money :heh:

TexansSeminole
07-22-2006, 01:44 PM
I thought you couldnt go back to the NCAA after signing an agent. Theres no way hes thinking about sitting out of football for a year. He already got picked 2nd. He wouldnt get picked #1 next year if he sits out a year.

Bobo
07-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Allow me to preface this by saying that I am a huge Reggie Bush fan as a football player. My screams and expletives could be heard far and wide when I found out that we would not be selecting him with the first pick in the draft. That said, I have bought into the idea and now firmly believe that Mario will have a HUGE impact on our team. Knowing that he is signed and ready to go (toenails all healed I hope) will allow the Texans to focus on the monumental task ahead of them without the media distractions of signing their first pick. Which brings me back to Reggie Bush and the Saints. The following report says it all...

Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.
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Just imagine if the Texans were in the Saints position right now. I know many have chosen, like me, to put the Reggie issue behind them and have moved on, but I think we can all feel a little better about the move given the above developments.

mario. mariO. maRIO! MARIO! MARIO!!! :redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:

If Bush sits out the year, his value will plummet. I think he knows that and will eventually sign. He'd be lucky to be a second-rounder.

MorKnolle
07-22-2006, 01:53 PM
I thought you couldnt go back to the NCAA after signing an agent. Theres no way hes thinking about sitting out of football for a year. He already got picked 2nd. He wouldnt get picked #1 next year if he sits out a year.

Correct, his NCAA days are over, but he could hold out the whole year and sit out of football (like Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett did) and go back into the draft next year, and you are also right that he wouldn't be picked #1 after sitting out a year. He would be absolutely foolish to turn down playing football this year, that will also cost him a lot of money in possible endorsements if he's not on the field, and will cost a pretty big hit to his public image.

carter08
07-22-2006, 02:07 PM
He can go play in the CFL like ricky

Hervoyel
07-22-2006, 02:48 PM
You know what would be very amusing? If he did sit out the season and re-enter the draft in 2007. Then, based on a year of rust and teams having a whole new draft class to pick from he falls a bit in the draft and the Texans still end up getting Reggie Bush.

That would be some funny stuff IMO.

Seriously though he's not going to do this. He's going to hold out for as much money as he can get and then he's going to sign and have a less than stellar rookie season because he missed a bunch of training camp.

The other thing that's silly is the idea that nobody has "ever" had as much leverage as Reggie Bush. That's just plain wrong. John Elway had far more leverage than Bush since he could just go play baseball if he'd wanted.

Runner
07-22-2006, 02:51 PM
He can go play in the CFL like ricky

That $60K he would make in the CFL would be about as funny as Latrell Sprewell tuning down $21M over three years and then sitting out the season because nobody would offer him more than couple million or so. Funny joke.

jerek
07-22-2006, 03:01 PM
That $60K he would make in the CFL would be about as funny as Latrell Sprewell tuning down $21M over three years and then sitting out the season because nobody would offer him more than couple million or so. Funny joke.

Latrell had a "family to feed." Bush doesn't. Big difference.

:sarcasm:

edo783
07-22-2006, 03:05 PM
I think he will wind up signing (late but in camp) and that this is posturing by his negotiation staff. However, it does give a clearer picture of who and what he is all about. Says one thing on camera and does the total oposite off camera. If he sets out a year, he will be lucky to be drafted in the top 5 as he will be old news and to have been proven to be a yutz.

TexansLucky13
07-22-2006, 03:09 PM
It's funny that the top three people to avoid on Fantasy Football so far have been Ricky Williams, Ben Roethlisberger and Reggie Bush. :hmmm:

PapaL
07-22-2006, 06:42 PM
Well my perception of him would not change if he sat out all year and entered next years draft. This is a business and is going to be his livelihood. Lets say you had $5M in you pocket, would you go to work for a bottom of the barrel organization or sit on your $5M for a year and wait for a better offer?

No he doesnt have a family to feed, but he has rent/mortgage to pay. LoL.

CenTexNative
07-22-2006, 07:02 PM
I've always felt that Bush was waaaay over rated. I like Whites running abilities much better than I even liked Bush's' abilities. Even so I hope the Saints drop him altogether. I Don't feel that ANY player from ANY schoolis worth that kind of scratch.

texan279
07-22-2006, 07:09 PM
Bush must be messed up in the head. He has no leverage in this, the Saint's already have two backs who are capable of starting and 2 or 3 good WR's, it's not like it would devastate the Saint's even if he did sit out the season, which he probably won't anyway.

TexanFan881
07-22-2006, 07:18 PM
Does this mean we'll have a shot at him next year?
Just a joke guys!

I know. That would be too amazing to get Reggie and Mario. That only happens in dreams.

HomeBred_Texan
07-22-2006, 07:19 PM
I would think if he becomes unsignable, the saints would trade him off. But this is what the Texans said about him, that he was unsignable and so we got Mario.

My best guess is that the Carolina Panthers are the ones that will get the last laugh when they got De'Angelo Williams out of Memphis. He will be a stud runner in the NFL if my guess is correct...

CloakNNNdagger
07-22-2006, 07:44 PM
I know. That would be too amazing to get Reggie and Mario. That only happens in dreams.


Mario in a dream...........Bush in a nightmare.

AtheGreat
07-22-2006, 07:47 PM
My best guess is that the Carolina Panthers are the ones that will get the last laugh when they got De'Angelo Williams out of Memphis. He will be a stud runner in the NFL if my guess is correct...

I think so too, Panthers got a better pick than most think. De'Angelo may be up there w/ a Rookie of the Year award at the end of this season.

So, if Bush goes back into the draft next year, do the Saints get any compensation for their pick?

HomeBred_Texan
07-22-2006, 07:49 PM
So, if Bush goes back into the draft next year, do the Saints get any compensation for their pick?
Not 1 single thing. A total lost cause..

That is why I think they would trade his rights away before losing out on everything...

Porky
07-22-2006, 08:08 PM
I got an idea. Let's offer next years number 1 to the Saints for the rights to Bush. :yahoo: :tease:

TexanFan881
07-22-2006, 08:12 PM
I got an idea. Let's offer next years number 1 to the Saints for the rights to Bush.

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

MorKnolle
07-22-2006, 10:05 PM
I would think if he becomes unsignable, the saints would trade him off. But this is what the Texans said about him, that he was unsignable and so we got Mario.

My best guess is that the Carolina Panthers are the ones that will get the last laugh when they got De'Angelo Williams out of Memphis. He will be a stud runner in the NFL if my guess is correct...

The Texans never said that. They chose Mario because he was the player they wanted more.

TexanFan881
07-22-2006, 10:09 PM
They had reached a basic agreement with both players but decided to advance negotiations with Mario Williams because he is the player that we wanted (wheter or not it was a good choice)

thunderkyss
07-22-2006, 10:18 PM
They had reached a basic agreement with both players but decided to advance negotiations with Mario Williams because he is the player that we wanted (wheter or not it was a good choice)

Right.... this thing with Reggie is interesting(to say the least) but it really doesn't mean anything to us...... Sure, he's holding out with the Saints, but we would have had him signed before the Draft.

What does turn me off, it that:

1) he wants more than Mario.......
2) Saints fans(not all of them) are saying, "Just give it to him, he's worth it"

BigDTexansFan
07-23-2006, 12:01 AM
Reggie is planning on not signing in 2006 so can go back into 2007 draft, now who is sad we didn't draft Reggie Bush


Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.

TexanFan881
07-23-2006, 12:05 AM
Like I said in the other thread with this same thing in it (I'm sure it will be merged) I don't think this changes our outlook on who we picked. We would've reached a contract with either. I think looking at this as an excuse to make the Mario Williams pick look better is just showing how much we all really knew how stupid the pick was. I do like Mario though and it's not his fault our front office screwed up.

BigDTexansFan
07-23-2006, 12:14 AM
Like I said in the other thread with this same thing in it (I'm sure it will be merged) I don't think this changes our outlook on who we picked. We would've reached a contract with either. I think looking at this as an excuse to make the Mario Williams pick look better is just showing how much we all really knew how stupid the pick was. I do like Mario though and it's not his fault our front office screwed up.


Call me crazy guy but the headline could be Texans, if as you so eloquently put it "our front office messed up". Bush had no intention of signing a contract UNLESS he got what he wanted, Texans had no intention of being USED by him and his lackeys. Maybe passing on a guy who made 2 practices and missed rest with a "purported" hamstring injury who wants to be highest paid part-time player in history of NFL.

Guess we can count on your Mario is best pick EVER comment when Reggie doesn't play and Mario makes sacks

TexanFan881
07-23-2006, 12:20 AM
Guess we can count on your Mario is best pick EVER comment when Reggie doesn't play and Mario makes sacks

I hope the Mario pick does work out, I really do. Just with all the talent that Reggie has I just don't see how that's going to work.

Call me crazy guy but the headline could be Texans, if as you so eloquently put it "our front office messed up". Bush had no intention of signing a contract UNLESS he got what he wanted, Texans had no intention of being USED by him and his lackeys. Maybe passing on a guy who made 2 practices and missed rest with a "purported" hamstring injury who wants to be highest paid part-time player in history of NFL.

And we could have given him what he wanted. Before we narrowed it down to Williams that wednesday, we had reached an initial agreement with both players on a $26 Million guaranteed, and we decided to cut the throat on the Reggie Bush negotiations and work to put a contract together with Mario Williams so that he would be signed by Friday night.

South Texan
07-23-2006, 12:56 AM
Wether Mario was the right or wrong pick, I just hope he makes enough of a difference so that I don't have to groan every time the defense takes the field. In fact, we may actually get back to when the defense was fun to watch, even when they didn't out score the offense! :drool:

HeartofHouston
07-23-2006, 12:58 AM
To be perfectly honest, I'm completely dissapointed in Reggie Bush, I thought that he would be going forth with his NFL while maintaining good merit but that doesnt seem to be the case.. I really did respect Reggie Bush but the whole jersey situation, his "injury" and now this update.. I'm really starting to see a different side of Reggie Bush and it hurts me to my very soul..

I was satisfied with the Mario Williams pick in this year's draft but now I'm happy about it cause no matter how good a player is you have to deal with the baggage that comes along with him.. Mario is not only a beast on the field but he is a Texan at heart and I'm glad to have him in my city..

BigDTexansFan
07-23-2006, 12:58 AM
I thought you couldnt go back to the NCAA after signing an agent. Theres no way hes thinking about sitting out of football for a year. He already got picked 2nd. He wouldnt get picked #1 next year if he sits out a year.


with an agent you can't go back into NCAA, but he if unsigned by Saints can opt to sit out a season, that is how we got Dallas' 3rd rounder. We selected Drew Henson and had we not signed him, he would have been eligible to go back into draft. what prompted Henson to sign was fact that he could choose where he ended up, if Reggie sits out and goes back in he will end up being picked by one of 3 lowest teams in NFL AND because of his stunt he will need to be signed BEFORE draft or most teams will leave him until his value is more than they will have to pay for him.:yahoo:

TexanSam
07-23-2006, 01:13 AM
I guess that talk about Casserly saying that Bush would agree to the same amount as Mario is bullcrap (at least, that's what he said on 790).

Bush would be completely stupid to sit out a year. His name isn't going to be anywhere as big as it is now this time next year. He had an electrifying season at USC, but if he re-enters the draft in 2007, there will be questions. Has he stayed in shape? How will he play in an actual game after not playing in one over a year. If Bush doesn't sign this season, I would think he would drop out of the top five in 2007 and make even less. It will be like the Mike Williams situation over again. And if Bush does sign after or during training camp, he should look at what happened to Cedric Benson last year with the Bears. If Bush does sign with the Saints, and his deal is worth even more than Mario Williams', it may set a dangerous precedent though in the drafts to come. Players and agents may be thinking "Hey, even if I'm a lower draft pick, I can still make more than that guy".

Ironist
07-23-2006, 01:20 AM
You guys are really reading too far into this. First of all, it NEVER once said Reggie was planning on skipping this season. A "league source" claimes he is toying with the concept, which I read more as his agent toying with the idea. Reggie has made it VERY clear all along that he's happy to be in NO and has every intention and desire to be in training camp on time.

It's the agents job to get the deal done; Bush's agent blew the #1 pick opportunity, and if anything happens, this will fall on him. Reggie wants to be there...NO knew they would need to pay premium $$$, so I dont in any scenario see this turning into a holdout like that.

Mario was a great pick. A better pick? Not neccesarily.

Hutch13
07-23-2006, 02:44 AM
You guys are really reading too far into this. First of all, it NEVER once said Reggie was planning on skipping this season. A "league source" claimes he is toying with the concept, which I read more as his agent toying with the idea. Reggie has made it VERY clear all along that he's happy to be in NO and has every intention and desire to be in training camp on time.

It's the agents job to get the deal done; Bush's agent blew the #1 pick opportunity, and if anything happens, this will fall on him. Reggie wants to be there...NO knew they would need to pay premium $$$, so I dont in any scenario see this turning into a holdout like that.

Mario was a great pick. A better pick? Not neccesarily.

I think mario was a better fit for us we already have a RB that can get you 1,000 yards and we really needed to have that Big Defensive End that QBs are scared of. Bush doesnt have every intention and desire to be in training camp on time because he would have been signed and ready to go to training camp by now. I think Bush isnt to Happy to be in NO just look at the pictures of him when he is getting drafted and the saints tom benson is one of the worst owners in the nfl.

TheCD
07-23-2006, 09:01 AM
As I've said before, the "Reggie Bush is a class act" mask is starting to erode away and we're starting to see him for who he truly is. If football was important to him and he knew he was that talented, he'd sign for the high contract he's being offered and wait for that bigger paycheck to cash in when his contract runs out.


And I agree with the sentiment that this shows we should have taken Mario. Sure, we could have signed him now. But he's now showing that if he plays well enough, he's not going to play for you unless he gets what he wants. And that could have meant us having to lose A.J. or D.R. in the future due to his greed...

BigDTexansFan
07-23-2006, 09:41 AM
And we could have given him what he wanted. Before we narrowed it down to Williams that wednesday, we had reached an initial agreement with both players on a $26 Million guaranteed, and we decided to cut the throat on the Reggie Bush negotiations and work to put a contract together with Mario Williams so that he would be signed by Friday night.

I guess you missed news were Reggie's people said draft us FIRST, then we will sign a contact, if they had deal they wanted (which I doubt) then why not sign BEFORE draft.

So far only talent I have seen Reggie show, is talking out both sides of his mouth. Avoid workouts anmd use someone else's money (endorsers) to buy publicity. IF ONLY NFL had 32 RBs like him, we would have Arena League :bananasplit:

PapaL
07-23-2006, 09:55 AM
signed BEFORE draft or most teams will leave him until his value is more than they will have to pay for him.:yahoo:

Only the first pick of the draft can be signed before the draft.

threetoedpete
07-23-2006, 10:00 AM
You guys are really reading too far into this. First of all, it NEVER once said Reggie was planning on skipping this season. A "league source" claimes he is toying with the concept, which I read more as his agent toying with the idea. Reggie has made it VERY clear all along that he's happy to be in NO and has every intention and desire to be in training camp on time.

It's the agents job to get the deal done; Bush's agent blew the #1 pick opportunity, and if anything happens, this will fall on him. Reggie wants to be there...NO knew they would need to pay premium $$$, so I dont in any scenario see this turning into a holdout like that.

Mario was a great pick. A better pick? Not neccesarily.


Nice Post.
Not saying it won't happen. However, the owners are what they are. These guys didn't get to owning a premiere US property by being good guys. They are shrewd bussiness people.
"The League " was a very good book from the eitghties that gives an overall feel for the owners. Obviously, most of the guys from that era are gone. "League sources" I read as "agent". No matter what was said at the time of the draft, Benson is going to hold for the best deal he can get. Reggie is under pressure to get in and learn to block. Benson is under pressure to get him in to help the city's healing process. Like the mongoose and the Cobra someone is gonna get ate. Both sides don't want to loose face. The owners like to squeeze the players into a narrow window. I.E. waiting two weeks untill camp befor begining negotiations. Bush wants #1 money. And by all accounts and pundits, he deserves this. The one in the cat birds seat is Vincent, either way it goes down...IMHO, if he dosen't blink, he stands to get a better contract than Mario. Gonna be fun.

Porky
07-23-2006, 11:52 AM
Only the first pick of the draft can be signed before the draft.

Actually, that's not entirely true. If the first pick signs prior to the draft, the team holding the #2 selection, can enter negiotions with whatever player(s) they wish, and can potenially sign him. If the #2 pick signed, the team holding pick #3 could enter negiotions, and so on. Having said that, to my knowledge, it hasn't happened.

HOOK'EM
07-23-2006, 12:24 PM
didnt Bo Jackson do that to the T.B. Buccaneers, he sat out that year then got drafted the next by the Raiders?

Tulip
07-23-2006, 12:34 PM
My question is: if he did sit out (which I don't think he will - at least not the entire season) - how does this impact his endorsement deals? I can imagine that these companies would be quite peeved if he's not in an NFL uniform this season.

keyfro
07-23-2006, 02:44 PM
if this is how reggie bush is going to help out new orleans i think they would be better off with another hurricane coming...this guy is seriously about nothing other than money...his marketing agent probably told him that he won't get as many endorsement deals being in NO so he is contemplating holding out just like elway did to go to a better marketing team...this kind of stuff makes me sick...if he really does this the NFL should step in and start helping out the franchise so they aren't set back even further because of this...cause if he really does hold out a year and re-enters the draft next year NO will be hurting for another 5 years :crutch:

Buffi2
07-23-2006, 03:31 PM
didnt Bo Jackson do that to the T.B. Buccaneers, he sat out that year then got drafted the next by the Raiders?

Yes, in a way. He said his first love was baseball and was drafted by the Royals but was re-entered into the next year's nfl draft. The Raiders picked him in the 7th round. I think he only played for the Raiders once baseball season was over but I could be wrong on that part.

TexanSam
07-23-2006, 04:19 PM
It sounds like to me REGGIE BUSH is a lil punk and I'm very, very glad we didn't pick him. Its like he doesn't wanna even play. Before the draft and the national championship he said money wouldn't be a problem at all, YEAH RIGHT what a punk. To me people when they act like that they need to go seek help, as much as he wants its ridiculous and thats MO and I'm sure theres plenty others to back me on this.

UNLESS, its his agents wanting some money which could be a issue also, but in millions hell 1 million dollars and they could live life in luxury....................I just don't understand, I live paycheck by paycheck and they're concerned about this crap just makes me very angry how the NFL has become.:twocents:

Just about every athlete and agents wants to milk the team for as much as they can. Not just the NFL, but in baseball and basketball too. I don't know how much of this is Reggie's doing or his agent.

NoBullTexan
07-23-2006, 04:21 PM
If you ever want to see a pair of matchstick legs, look at Reggie Bushs'. He is a choir boy in front of the cameras, and a jerk behind it. There will be somewhat of a holdout because of Reggie's ego. He is still P.O.ed that he wasn't the first pick in the draft. He wants to be the highest paid rookie ever, and the Saints flat can't afford it. When and if he signs, he will be a good one, that is until a defender gets a real good shot at those matchstick legs, like late in the fourth quarter. Maybe thats why he wasn't in there in the national championship game?

Coach C.
07-23-2006, 04:52 PM
Does it matter if Reggie is late to camp. Who cares. He is a runningback. He gets the ball and they tell him to try and score, or he runs a route. The kid knows how to do that. As far as blocking goes, he cant block anyway so he will be like most rookie tailbacks. I am just tired of hearing about Reggie Bush, we got the best guy and Reggie is getting on my last nerve. Ohh and Vinny you are right he left out information about the scandal and Kubiak decided to not sign him to the deal we had in place with him and went after Mario.

Ironist
07-23-2006, 06:04 PM
Bush is really not being a "lil punk." This is the <i>name of the game</i>. Only TWO first round picks are signed so far. Does that make ALL of the other 30 players punks as well? No. They are negotiating, banging out the deals until they can agree on something.

Here's another angle; do you realize that if we HAD chosed Bush, Mario Williams would almost definately NOT be signed right now either? Being a #2-5 pick, he obviously knows he's worth money. He would hold out until he recieved what both he and his agent deserved. This is not so much a character flaw as it is a simple act that EVERY player in ANY professional sport partakes in.

It really isn't fair for anyone to call Reggie a "Jerk" behind the cameras. Has anyone seen him behind the cameras? How do we know Mario is a great guy? Or VY? Dont get me wrong--I love Mario AND the pick. I would, however, have been just as happy with Reggie. And I do feel we would have gotten him signed...the same I feel NO will get him signed.

Yeah, he may not have beenn smiling when NO drafted him at 2...but that was NOT bc it was NO, it was because it was not Houston. In his own words, it's "every boy's dream to be drafted number one." He was dissapointed HO and his agent couldnt work out a deal to make him number 1. That's completely understandable.

Reggie DOES WANT TO BE SIGNED. He wants to be in training camp on time. He just needs to reach a deal with the Saints. His agent needs to bang it out and get him there.

I don't see it fit for us to call him a jerk. No other message board puts Bush down as much as this one, and I cant help but ask why? The only answer I can muster is that because we ALMOST picked him, we want him to fail only to make our pick the right one.

The bottom line is, either pick was a smart pick...and if we had taken Bush, Mario would be in the same position he's in right now.

jerek
07-23-2006, 06:36 PM
From what I understand, Bush lied to us right before the draft (about his scandal) and we were totally turned off by him. I'm glad we passed on him. Hopefully Mario makes us look smart down the road.

Think so? Was that all the reason for us passing on him, or just a factor? Just curious; not asking you to name a source, just to go into more detail.

CloakNNNdagger
07-23-2006, 07:21 PM
My question is: if he did sit out (which I don't think he will - at least not the entire season) - how does this impact his endorsement deals? I can imagine that these companies would be quite peeved if he's not in an NFL uniform this season.

His agent has said that these endorsement monies were guaranteed whether he plays or not.

MorKnolle
07-23-2006, 07:51 PM
His agent has said that these endorsement monies were guaranteed whether he plays or not.

The endorsements he's already signed are likely guaranteed, but if he does decide to sit out this year it will drastically hurt any other endorsement deals. Companies aren't going to make new offers to a player that isn't playing, not to mention the reputation hit he'll take if that happens. I don't see him sitting out, I think he'll be in within a week or two of camp, although Segal will likely wait until Vince get his deal done before he finalizes Reggie's.

Hookem Horns
07-23-2006, 09:09 PM
I can't believe how many people bought into Bush being a "class act". I saw right through him the first time I saw him interviewed. He knows 3 words, me, myself, and I. I am so glad we didn't draft this guy. I agree too that he won't even come close to his hype. I harped on this before the draft and will repeat it again, the guy was barely on the field during the 4th Qtr of the Rose Bowl. He was on the sidelines during the most critical times of the game. That speaks volumes to me, especially for a player that was labeled by some the "best college RB or player ever". He wasn't even the best on his team. He is all flash with little substance. I think he will be exposed for what he really is in the NFL.

http://www.adweek.com/aw/images/best_spots/best_spots_03/1013_bs04.gif

aj.
07-23-2006, 09:13 PM
Think so? Was that all the reason for us passing on him, or just a factor? Just curious; not asking you to name a source, just to go into more detail.


The 'Bush lied' thing was in profootballtalk.com a couple days ago and discussed here. Local radio, 610 in particular, reported that Bush's visit with the Texans didn't go well a few days after he visited. I've talked to a local TVs sports guy and he said that Bush didn't impress during the meetings with the Texans leadership. There was nothing in the local paper (big surprise there), but it's been brought up a few times on local radio. It's out there ....

MorKnolle
07-23-2006, 09:16 PM
This contract thing with Reggie seems to be blown out of proportion. I always wanted Mario as our pick, but Reggie is a great prospect and other than the house his parents were living in last year has done nothing to indicate that he is a bad person. Every player is going to want to get as much money as they can, negotiations always take a long time for the top picks. Up until yesterday when Kamerion Wimbley signed with the Browns Mario was the only 1st round pick signed, yet Vince Young, D'Brick, and every other 1st rounder aren't taking heat for not being signed yet. Reggie is the only one because he is the highest profile player in this draft, and one story sprouted about him apparently contemplating sitting out this year, which I cannot believe is true at all. No player in their right mind, especially one in his position, would sit out a year, it makes no sense for their career. I just don't understand why he's catching so much flak for this when only one other 1st round pick has signed since the draft, not to mention Benson is historically a tight wad and Joel Segal has always waited as long as possible to sign his clients. Last I heard Vince Young thought he was worth $50 some million as well, but no one here seems to have a problem with the fact that he hasn't signed yet. I think every players should make it a priority to get in camp on time, but when you're discussing possibly swinging your contract value by millions of dollars and affecting your family's future income and livelihood then I can't blame them for making sure they get a deal they think is reasonable. While they shouldn't have to nitpick when the contracts are this big, it is just a fact of the business (I hate that rookies get paid this much anyways).

jerek
07-23-2006, 09:17 PM
The 'Bush lied' thing was in profootballtalk.com a couple days ago and discussed here. Local radio, 610 in particular, reported that Bush's visit with the Texans didn't go well a few days after he visited. I've talked to a local TVs sports guy and he said that Bush didn't impress during the meetings with the Texans leadership. There was nothing in the local paper (big surprise there), but it's been brought up a few times on local radio. It's out there ....

Cool. My understanding was that Mario was a football decision, pure and simple, point blank. Not saying my sources are infallible; just that they are in a pretty strong position to know. But there are other voices on this board that I regard as knowledgable, hence I'll ask when one of them introduces another version or wrinkle to the story.

Regardless, my opinion of Bush has remained pretty consistent and I still think we made the better decision by far. I'm still to this day somewhat shocked that our management agreed with me (or that perhaps I agreed with them) and that they had the balls to pass on both Reggie and Vince.

Wolf
07-23-2006, 09:58 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3828722.html

I hope I can find this article after the season. I was looking for something else and I stumbled on Justice's article from april ...

Holdouts part of the game
The No. 1 pick is seldom signed before the draft. Yes, holdouts are part of the process with the top players. Yes, Bush wanted an obscene amount of money. Tough luck. Taking a hard line with Bush makes absolutely no sense.


You overpaid for Gary Walker, Todd Wade, Morlon Greenwood and others. Now you're going to play hardball with Bush? That makes you look incompetent and petty.

Franchises aren't destroyed by holdouts. Emmitt Smith twice held out. Would the Texans have passed on him?

Were the Texans scared off by Bush's family living in a house furnished by a sports agent? If that was an issue, why did they continue to negotiate with him until Thursday?

Or did the Texans change their mind about Bush? Did they decide he wasn't the best player available in this draft?

Maybe all those other teams, maybe all those other talent evaluators, aren't as smart as the Texans. The Texans decided their need for a pass rusher was more pressing than taking the best player on the board.

There's a word for this kind of logic in professional sports. It's called stupidity.

Most draft-day mistakes are made when teams attempt to draft for need instead of simply taking the best player. That's especially true of Bush, who has been compared to Gale Sayers.

swtbound07
07-23-2006, 10:02 PM
Maybe he was sitting out on that 4th down because he watched miami play ohio state and remembered willis mcgahee....

"nah coach, nike says to let lendale take this carry"

Koolaid Time
07-23-2006, 10:18 PM
The 'Bush lied' thing was in profootballtalk.com a couple days ago and discussed here. Local radio, 610 in particular, reported that Bush's visit with the Texans didn't go well a few days after he visited. I've talked to a local TVs sports guy and he said that Bush didn't impress during the meetings with the Texans leadership. There was nothing in the local paper (big surprise there), but it's been brought up a few times on local radio. It's out there ....


What I heard was that Bush's attitude was what really turned people off...Bush was all "what are you going for ME.. Reggie Bush...." instead of being a team player..

Whats the difference between T.O. and Reggie Bush?

Bush is younger.... they are cut from the same cloth

thunderkyss
07-23-2006, 10:23 PM
If you ever want to see a pair of matchstick legs, look at Reggie Bushs'. He is a choir boy in front of the cameras, and a jerk behind it. There will be somewhat of a holdout because of Reggie's ego. He is still P.O.ed that he wasn't the first pick in the draft. He wants to be the highest paid rookie ever, and the Saints flat can't afford it. When and if he signs, he will be a good one, that is until a defender gets a real good shot at those matchstick legs, like late in the fourth quarter. Maybe thats why he wasn't in there in the national championship game?

from what I unerstand, the Saints can afford it.........

they'd just be stupid to do it.

MorKnolle
07-23-2006, 10:28 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3828722.html

I hope I can find this article after the season. I was looking for something else and I stumbled on Justice's article from april ...

I found this part interesting:
As for Casserly, let's be clear. This isn't his decision. He doesn't have the guts to make this call. Never has, never will.

His assignment today will be to put the Texans in position to draft Memphis running back DeAngelo Williams or Minnesota's Laurence Maroney. If he does that, the Texans will have added two impact players.

Koolaid Time
07-23-2006, 10:44 PM
from what I unerstand, the Saints can afford it.........

they'd just be stupid to do it.


Reggie Bush has often been compaired to Gale Sayers. Most people don't realize that because of his 2 knee injuries.. Sayers only played in *68* NFL games over 7 seasons in the NFL, and was out over half a season twice because of injuries.

Back then those were 14 game seasons too.... Do the math....

My prediction: With the Saints offensive line "blocking" for him, Reggie's knees will be "swiss cheese" within three seasons...

Wolf
07-23-2006, 10:46 PM
I found this part interesting:

very true and when I read that I remember hearing something along the lines of we tried to move up but failed

Anguyen
07-23-2006, 11:06 PM
I got an idea. Let's offer next years number 1 to the Saints for the rights to Bush. :yahoo: :tease:
Even you can trade for Bush, the main questions are can you sign him, can he be team player are it me me me first. The team that trade for him probly don't have enough money for other positions. Look at Indy with Manning great player cost alot of money no super bowl.

Brandon420tx
07-24-2006, 01:24 PM
I'm glad we failed, there will be more running backs.

nunusguy
07-24-2006, 01:41 PM
I'm glad we failed, there will be more running backs.
I have no idea what kind of career Bush will have in the NFL, but know this,
just because he might end up being a real pric$ with NOLA and actually get himself traded to someplace where he'd like to play, doesn't mean he still couldn't be a great player in the NFL.
We all know the story about Elway and him being a horses-you-know-what and forcing the Colts to trade him to Denver, and it certainly didn't hurt him in the NFL. Of course as a practical matter, he had the baseball thing going to
give him the kind of leverage Bush doesn't have. I was a big fan of Elways, but he was a real selfish jerk with that whole thing and the Colts.

domedog316
11-07-2006, 08:53 PM
I can't believe how many people bought into Bush being a "class act". I saw right through him the first time I saw him interviewed. He knows 3 words, me, myself, and I. I am so glad we didn't draft this guy. I agree too that he won't even come close to his hype. I harped on this before the draft and will repeat it again, the guy was barely on the field during the 4th Qtr of the Rose Bowl. He was on the sidelines during the most critical times of the game. That speaks volumes to me, especially for a player that was labeled by some the "best college RB or player ever". He wasn't even the best on his team. He is all flash with little substance. I think he will be exposed for what he really is in the NFL.

http://www.adweek.com/aw/images/best_spots/best_spots_03/1013_bs04.gif


Another old thread for sure, But I just wanted anyone who thought Reggie couldn't be a model player and a true Godsend to a community regardless of his contributions on the field to remember what many said before the season.

Comparing the guy to Leon was nothing more than petty jealosy. His impact prolly won't be revealed in the stats until he gets 25 carries in a game. I won't judge him a failure until I see him get a fair chance to run the ball.

people forget that he's SPLITTING carries with Deuce. It's not like he's even getting the carries that Maroney in New Englands getting.

Wolf
11-07-2006, 08:55 PM
nothing wrong with splitting carries, but defenses (so far) are shutting him down

thunderkyss
11-07-2006, 09:02 PM
Another old thread for sure, But I just wanted anyone who thought Reggie couldn't be a model player and a true Godsend to a community regardless of his contributions on the field to remember what many said before the season.

Comparing the guy to Leon was nothing more than petty jealosy. His impact prolly won't be revealed in the stats until he gets 25 carries in a game. I won't judge him a failure until I see him get a fair chance to run the ball.

people forget that he's SPLITTING carries with Deuce. It's not like he's even getting the carries that Maroney in New Englands getting.

You seriously want to see Reggie get 25 carries in a game?? Do you not like him or something?? Do you want him on IR??

Or do you mean 25 touches?? 10 carries, 6 catches, 4 punt returns, and 5 blessings??

bah007
11-07-2006, 09:03 PM
Another old thread for sure, But I just wanted anyone who thought Reggie couldn't be a model player and a true Godsend to a community regardless of his contributions on the field to remember what many said before the season.

Comparing the guy to Leon was nothing more than petty jealosy. His impact prolly won't be revealed in the stats until he gets 25 carries in a game. I won't judge him a failure until I see him get a fair chance to run the ball.

people forget that he's SPLITTING carries with Deuce. It's not like he's even getting the carries that Maroney in New Englands getting.

Maroney gets 13 carries per game.

Reggie gets 10.

There goes that arguement.

dm77713
11-07-2006, 09:31 PM
Check out the link for what the saints are asking for Reggie, it really is not much.

http://www.thebrushback.com/sayers_full.htm

Not an actual report, just hilarious.

Double Barrel
11-07-2006, 09:48 PM
Another old thread for sure, But I just wanted anyone who thought Reggie couldn't be a model player and a true Godsend to a community regardless of his contributions on the field to remember what many said before the season.

Comparing the guy to Leon was nothing more than petty jealosy. His impact prolly won't be revealed in the stats until he gets 25 carries in a game. I won't judge him a failure until I see him get a fair chance to run the ball.

people forget that he's SPLITTING carries with Deuce. It's not like he's even getting the carries that Maroney in New Englands getting.

No offense, but anyone can do what their PR man and agent tells them to do.

I'm not callin' out Reggie or saying he's a bad guy in any way. I personally don't know the guy. But honestly, we won't know his true character until we've seen him through many years in the limelight. Publicity often reveals people's true nature over time.

Hookem Horns
11-07-2006, 09:53 PM
Ah man, when I first saw this old thead dug up and my post being the one quoted I thought someone was going to congratulate me for being right about the guy. At least about his play on field when I said "He is all flash with little substance. I think he will be exposed for what he really is in the NFL.".

If the guy is doing great things for the community then I was wrong about that side of him. He just rubbed me the wrong way in predraft interviews. I am glad he is doing good things for N.O. because that community needs support from people in his position.

I am still so glad we didn't draft this guy. Just think how bad things would be here if he was on our team tanking like he is for the Saints. The Saints have a pretty good offense around him too. He would probably already be on the IR if he played with our group. Also, I think the Texans would have asked a lot more of him which would not have been good.

thunderkyss
11-07-2006, 10:01 PM
Pittsburgh...... (http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/10266387/detail.html)

thunderkyss
11-07-2006, 10:10 PM
NewOrleans........ (http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2292)


Kinda feel sorry for them y'know.....

Wolf
11-07-2006, 10:16 PM
http://www.danchrism.net/etc/tecmoreg.jpg

this cracks me up

Hookem Horns
11-07-2006, 10:33 PM
NewOrleans........ (http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2292)

Kinda feel sorry for them y'know.....

Funny thread in the sense that when we (Texans fans) say all those things we are just "jealous" that we didn't get Bush. Now there is a good faction of Saints fans calling out Bush.

This post was classic by "Saint Greg" and really confirms my predraft fear that Bush would struggle in the NFL because he only knows how to run east and west.


Here are a few notes after rewatching the tampa game. These are just rushes by Reggie along with some announcer comments. Saints fans are not the only ones that see something wrong with the way Bush is running.

1st Qtr
11:17 1st and 10 - Takes handoff and follows Karney around the left side but is caught from behind. No Gain.

6:26 1st and 10 -Takes a pitch to the left side. has two defenders but Faine and Evans have them blocked to the inside...Although the outside is free he dances a second...long enough for Rice to get around Faine. 4 yard loss.

commentator: "looking at Reggie Bush one thing he needs to do is get upfield. He's looking to make the big play everytime he has the ball in his hands. He needs to go and get yardage"

2nd Qtr
12:51 3rd and 10 - Draw play. Tackled for 3 yard loss.

11:00 1st and 10 - Takes the handoff and has running room to the right but cuts back left, right into Simeon Rice. No gain.

2:20 2nd and 3 - Takes handoff up the middle. He has a cutback lane but instead he bounces it out to the right side. 2 yard gain.

commentator: "One thing Reggie Bush needs to learn is everything can't bounce outside"

3rd Qtr
14:05 2dn and 10 - Takes handoff straight up the middle. 1 yard gain.

12:19 2nd and 15 - Takes handoff to the right side. There is a hole there, but he dances around until someone gets free. He then runs around the hole to the right side where the cornerback is being blocked...running right to the cornerback. He then reverses field and cuts back upfield. No Gain.

commentator: "We talked about it earlier. About Reggie Bush being a young back trying to bounce it outside and make the big play everytime. But with that speed on defense that Tampa Bay has, you can't be doing those things. You gotta go straight down the field, north and south, and gain some yards."

6:00 (after Deuce's touchdown) Commentator: "well we talked about the vision with Reggie Bush. Deuce is going to see the cutback open up right there. Deuce McAllister sees that lane open up on the backside and he's able to get into that hole." "Reggie Bush needs to watch some film on Deuce McAllister and follow what he does."

2:44 1st and 10 - Does a good job of following Karney around the left side, but he goes wide of Karney right into Derrick Brooks (Karney missed block).

Commentator: "You watch Reggie Bush. We talked earlier about him bouncing it to the outside. Until he starts running downhill, I just see Deuce McAllister being the main feature in this offense."

4th Qtr

11:18 2nd and 2 - Run up the middle. 1 yard gain.

8:55 2nd and 4 - Pitch to the right. 3 yard gain.

5:55 1st and 10 - Handoff up the middle. Has a hole between C and LG but bounces it outside and is tackled.

commentators: "Bouncing outside Bush. What are you doing? Up the field, up the field."

"Doesn't he listen to this broadcast at all?"

"Well maybe he will when he goes back to New Orleans"

These kinds of things is why Kubiak didn't want Bush. Kubiak preaches north/south running and feels he can get that with lower round "less flashy" backs.

aj.
11-08-2006, 06:21 AM
. His impact prolly won't be revealed in the stats until he gets 25 carries in a game. I won't judge him a failure until I see him get a fair chance to run the ball.



25 carries should net him about 59 yards, right? (45 on one carry for highlight purposes)

It appears (as many said) that he will be more effective as the change of pace guy - the guy you split wide, run out of the slot, or toss a screen to an 3rd down. And return punts.

Once (if) they stick him in the backfield as 'the man' he will be easier to defend - unless he changes his game a bit. He either doesn't have the vision or the patience to see or wait to see the holes develop between the tackles - unless they are SUV size. That's why he bails and tries to outrun everyone to the edge - and that don't work against most NFL linebackers.

Can you hear the Houston fans screaming bloody murder about our 'terrible OL' if Bush was here and putting up those lousy rushing stats? "Kubiak and Sherman are not using him right," (fire them) or "if our OL can't block for the best RB in the history of the game, who can they block for?" and blah and blah...

thunderkyss
11-08-2006, 06:49 AM
Can you hear the Houston fans screaming bloody murder about our 'terrible OL' if Bush was here and putting up those lousy rushing stats? "Kubiak and Sherman are not using him right," (fire them) or "if our OL can't block for the best RB in the history of the game, who can they block for?" and blah and blah...

I wish Houstonians would make some noise about our OL not opening mediocre holes for our backs as it is....

domedog316
11-13-2006, 12:45 PM
25 carries should net him about 59 yards, right? (45 on one carry for highlight purposes)

It appears (as many said) that he will be more effective as the change of pace guy - the guy you split wide, run out of the slot, or toss a screen to an 3rd down. And return punts.

Once (if) they stick him in the backfield as 'the man' he will be easier to defend - unless he changes his game a bit. He either doesn't have the vision or the patience to see or wait to see the holes develop between the tackles - unless they are SUV size. That's why he bails and tries to outrun everyone to the edge - and that don't work against most NFL linebackers.

Can you hear the Houston fans screaming bloody murder about our 'terrible OL' if Bush was here and putting up those lousy rushing stats? "Kubiak and Sherman are not using him right," (fire them) or "if our OL can't block for the best RB in the history of the game, who can they block for?" and blah and blah...

You are familiar with the fact that some backs need to get carries to get into the flow of the game, aren't you? This is especially true of rookies.

Do you think Barry Sanders started games with 75 yard runs? Nope. Deuce isn't getting the carries I'd like to see him get either. I think the coaches have him on a "pitch count"....he gets so many carries and that's it for him.
There is just so much ignorance based on the fact that some (not all) Texans fans want Reggie to be a bust so they can feel better about getting Mario. I don't understand that cuz Mario is a heck of a player....It just doesn't make sense.

because if he gets 24 carries, one of them could be a 65 yarder......if you show dedication to the run and have a moderatly talented back you'll get yards.....unless you are Edgerrin James. Poor guy.

swtbound07
11-13-2006, 12:55 PM
You are familiar with the fact that some backs need to get carries to get into the flow of the game, aren't you? This is especially true of rookies.

Do you think Barry Sanders started games with 75 yard runs? Nope. Deuce isn't getting the carries I'd like to see him get either. I think the coaches have him on a "pitch count"....he gets so many carries and that's it for him.
There is just so much ignorance based on the fact that some (not all) Texans fans want Reggie to be a bust so they can feel better about getting Mario. I don't understand that cuz Mario is a heck of a player....It just doesn't make sense.

because if he gets 24 carries, one of them could be a 65 yarder......if you show dedication to the run and have a moderatly talented back you'll get yards.....unless you are Edgerrin James. Poor guy.

we dont have to WANT reggie to be a bust...he already is.

thunderkyss
11-13-2006, 12:58 PM
You are familiar with the fact that some backs need to get carries to get into the flow of the game, aren't you? This is especially true of rookies.

Do you think Barry Sanders started games with 75 yard runs? Nope. Deuce isn't getting the carries I'd like to see him get either. I think the coaches have him on a "pitch count"....he gets so many carries and that's it for him.
There is just so much ignorance based on the fact that some (not all) Texans fans want Reggie to be a bust so they can feel better about getting Mario. I don't understand that cuz Mario is a heck of a player....It just doesn't make sense.

because if he gets 24 carries, one of them could be a 65 yarder......if you show dedication to the run and have a moderatly talented back you'll get yards.....unless you are Edgerrin James. Poor guy.


First, it's about the crap we took on this board from your SaintsFan comrades that Reggie get's what he gets here.

Second, if you expected Reggie to need 24 carries a game, you wouldn't draft him with the second overall of the draft, at $60 million to be a complimentary player to the $60 million Halfback you already have. Unless you plan to run the ball 48 times a game.

If you are telling me Reggie needs 24 touches to put on "The Reggie Bush Show", then I'm telling you, you wasted your #2 overall.

El Amigo Invisible
11-13-2006, 12:59 PM
Reggie Bust has not done anything. He is getting out performed by his fellow rookie WR. That 6th round had some good ones !!! WALL LEE :mario:

real
11-13-2006, 01:33 PM
Reggie Bust has not done anything. He is getting out performed by his fellow rookie WR.

Reggie hasn't played well, but I don't like this argument...

Colston is out performing everyone...not just Reggie....

run-david-run
11-13-2006, 05:43 PM
Reggie hasn't played well, but I don't like this argument...

Colston is out performing everyone...not just Reggie....

But dont you see, its all because Reggie is the best decoy ever! To the guy who said Reggie needed 24 carries, Im pretty sure he only got close to 24 carries twice his last year at USC. He is not a workhorse, he is a complimentary player (much like a WR who only gets the ball 5-10 times a game) and is supposed to get into open space and make big plays. He is getting in open space, Ill let you tell me about the big plays. :marionaner: