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fan no matter what
07-18-2006, 01:32 PM
who does everyone think will take the starting positions on the o line?

now with wade gone who looks like the likley starters?

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 01:35 PM
RT Wiegert
RG McKinney
C Flanagan
LG Pitts
LT Wand

I think that's pretty much how it's going to be. Hopefully Spencer and Winston can mix things up too.

fan no matter what
07-18-2006, 01:38 PM
i would really like to see winston return to 2004 form. he would be a great value if that was the case. do you guys really think that spencer should be a tackle or do yall think he will be moved down to gaurd. i know he has played both but he seems kind of big a bulky for a tackle. i have heard good things about his foot work though.

Texans Horror
07-18-2006, 02:16 PM
I've heard that Spenser has a better shot at making tackle than Winston, just based on the player's readiness for the NFL. Not a Fact, Just a Rumor (NAFJAR), so take it for what it's worth. I've been posting for months now that IMO, it will be Wand/Pitts/Flanagan/McKinney/Weigert. That is the current starting line, and unless something goes completely FUBAR, I don't expect it to change much.

thunderkyss
07-18-2006, 02:19 PM
RT Wiegert
RG McKinney
C Flanagan
LG Pitts
LT Wand

I think that's pretty much how it's going to be. Hopefully Spencer and Winston can mix things up too.

Forget Spencer and Winston as far as starters..... it says more for our team, if we've got 4 returning starters, as opposed to two returning starters on our O-Line. I'm banking my 13-3 prediction on having no less than 3 returning starters. so 4 makes me think it is more likely that we will have home field advantage in the AFC Championship Game.

Spencer, Winston, Hogdon & Salaam gives us depth, that should help us get through the season... Spencer & Winston will get some starts as the year goes on, and hopefully be the foundation of the future.

But it looks like we are going into training camp the way you listed. & I for one, think that's a good thing.

Runner
07-18-2006, 02:37 PM
Spencer, Winston, Hogdon & Salaam gives us depth, that should help us get through the season... Spencer & Winston will get some starts as the year goes on, and hopefully be the foundation of the future.


The real forgotten man in the line talk right now is Weary - the new administration apparently liked what they saw of him and extended him right away. I bring this up because with the 5 projected starters, the 4 you listed as depth, and Weary, there are a total of 10 o-lineman. Will we carry 10 or only 9? The 10 include 5 tackles, 3 guards, and 2 centers. I guess Weigert could get guard/tackle credit.

Anyway, these numbers lead me to think:

1) Pitts is staying at guard or we have no guard depth.
2) Salaam will get cut so we carry only 9 lineman.
3) Spencer might eventually see some guard duty. He should be the most flexible since he has the speed and footwork of a tackle and the strength of a guard.

Tackles: Wand, Weigert, Winston, Spencer
Guards: Pitts, McKinney, Weary
Center: Flanagan, Hodgdon

JohnGalt
07-18-2006, 02:41 PM
RT Wiegert
RG McKinney
C Flanagan
LG Pitts
LT Wand

I think that's pretty much how it's going to be. Hopefully Spencer and Winston can mix things up too.

Ditto

Texans86
07-18-2006, 02:42 PM
The line I predict won't come together till at best halfway through the season. Most likely a year away though.

(LT) Wand (LG) Pitts (C) Flanagan (RG) Spencer (RT) Winston

Extremely young line, powerful and agile. Could be potentially great.

TwinSisters
07-18-2006, 03:05 PM
1) Pitts is staying at guard or we have no guard depth.
2) Salaam will get cut so we carry only 9 lineman.
3) Spencer might eventually see some guard duty. He should be the most flexible since he has the speed and footwork of a tackle and the strength of a guard.

Tackles: Wand, Weigert, Winston, Spencer
Guards: Pitts, McKinney, Weary
Center: Flanagan, Hodgdon

Does Salaam have some kinda injury that hasn't healed?

It looked like they picked him up to be able to operate in Kubiak's offense.

Wiegert has only played two full seasons out of 11?

Flanagan is not exactly standing on solid legs himself.

Weary is another non-starter with some injury problems.

Hodgdon looks like a project special teamer.. certainly cannot expect him to start if Flanagan goes down. I wouldn't think so anyway.

Corrosion
07-18-2006, 03:29 PM
Hodgdon looks like a project special teamer.. certainly cannot expect him to start if Flanagan goes down. I wouldn't think so anyway.


The line played its best last year w/ Hodgdon at center , granted it was for a game and a half .... I think he's gonna eventually be a starter .

I like Mckinney back at guard . He routinely got shoved around as the center .

Im not sold on Wand as the starting LT just yet but there is always the option of moving Pitts back to that spot if he fails to hold the spot down . BUt that makes the guard depth very slim .

Weigert is a solid RT If he can avoid injury.

Flanagan is an immediate upgrade at the center position over Mckinney , but will he play 16 games ?

I think we will see much improved play from the OL even early in the season , but by the half way point I expect to see them dominate some games .

HOU-TEX
07-18-2006, 04:18 PM
I have faith that Kubs and the Sherminator will hand pick the best line from the roster we have. With these two working together coaching the line I assume that even the line we had last year would be 100% better. Obviously Pendry couldn't coach worth a crud.:redtowel:

Hardcore Texan
07-18-2006, 04:44 PM
RT Wiegert
RG McKinney
C Flanagan
LG Pitts
LT Wand

I think that's pretty much how it's going to be. Hopefully Spencer and Winston can mix things up too.


This is the way I see it.

thunderkyss
07-18-2006, 05:52 PM
Hodgdon looks like a project special teamer.. certainly cannot expect him to start if Flanagan goes down. I wouldn't think so anyway.


I'm hoping Hodgdon can atleast occupy the spot if Flanagan goes down.... as a starter...... even if he needs help in certain down & distance, or on particular matchups.... which really shouldn't be a problem, witha moving Oline.

I do see us looking at a Center in next years draft...... how much we invest, will be in direct reflection to how well Hodgdon plays this year.

skysdad
07-18-2006, 10:16 PM
I think you guys are over looking Chris Watton. Granted they have him listed as a tackle, He is actually a center. He has been through Kubes system for a couple of years on Denvers p squad. I think he will impress some of you guys.

Just my opinion!!

TwinSisters
07-18-2006, 10:29 PM
I think you guys are over looking Chris Watton. Granted they have him listed as a tackle, He is actually a center. He has been through Kubes system for a couple of years on Denvers p squad. I think he will impress some of you guys.

Just my opinion!!

Sherman liked him too... but he is a long shot. Never seen or heard of him either, so that it is not saying much 'either'.

Runner
07-18-2006, 10:44 PM
I think you guys are over looking Chris Watton. Granted they have him listed as a tackle, He is actually a center. He has been through Kubes system for a couple of years on Denvers p squad. I think he will impress some of you guys.

Just my opinion!!

I don't know anything about him. Is he good enough to push Hodgdon off the roster, in your opinion? (A center as tackle - sounds like something we would have tried last year).

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 10:52 PM
I don't know anything about him. Is he good enough to push Hodgdon off the roster, in your opinion? (A center as tackle - sounds like something we would have tried last year).

I don't think Drew gets pushed off the roster, he did as well as could be expected out of him last year at center when he came in and started.

Runner
07-18-2006, 11:11 PM
I don't think Drew gets pushed off the roster, he did as well as could be expected out of him last year at center when he came in and started.

That's also my opinion. However, since I don't know anything about Watton that opinion has little basis. I'd like to hear more to see if I'm wrong.

Texans Horror
07-19-2006, 09:51 AM
SI put out a "photos" section of the 10 players most likely to impact the AFC South. Flanagan is one of these new selections, and I hope he is as effective as his resume suggests (Pro-Bowler in 2004).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0607/gallery.afcsouth/content.10.html

So speaking of starting line, has anything more been heard about how the interior line (Pitts, Flanagan, McKinney) are doing? Partly because of the acquisition of two tackles, I think more speculation is being made about that position, but I was wondering if anyone in the know has information about the inside linemen? Thanks.

beerlover
07-19-2006, 09:58 AM
So speaking of starting line, has anything more been heard about how the interior line (Pitts, Flanagan, McKinney) are doing? Partly because of the acquisition of two tackles, I think more speculation is being made about that position, but I was wondering if anyone in the know has information about the inside linemen? Thanks.

training camp begins July 28th, you can get free tickets (limited time only) at most Wachovia Bank outlets starting today. :cool:

wrestler4life
07-19-2006, 10:11 AM
I have faith that Kubs and the Sherminator will hand pick the best line from the roster we have. With these two working together coaching the line I assume that even the line we had last year would be 100% better. Obviously Pendry couldn't coach worth a crud.:redtowel:
I think it was not all Pendry's fault. I think that we had talent problems as well. He was not exactly working with credible starters.

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 10:18 AM
I think it was not all Pendry's fault. I think that we had talent problems as well. He was not exactly working with credible starters.

Maybe a little but IMO there was a lot of miscommunication and misdirection on the line. They looked as if they were a step behind everyone else due to trying to determine who does what, where, when. They should have thier assignment and know what they're going to do before the ball is snapped. It should be instilled in thier mind and be an instinct on the field.:twocents:

JohnGalt
07-19-2006, 10:46 AM
I think it was not all Pendry's fault. I think that we had talent problems as well. He was not exactly working with credible starters.

True, the line also had injury problems which caused a lot of guys to play out of position.

But I still put 90% of the blame on the coaching staff. They got all got canned because the players didn't buy into their program anymore. They made enough poor coaching decisions that their credibility with the players was lost. How can they teach and lead with no respect?

wrestler4life
07-19-2006, 11:28 AM
So are you saying that the line quit, or that they blocked who they wanted to???

JohnGalt
07-19-2006, 11:33 AM
No, it just seemed that the coaches weren't reaching them.

Capers and crew didn't all of the sudden get stupid in '05, I just think the players stopped responding to the staff. I don't think anyone believes that we played up to our talent level last year.

wrestler4life
07-19-2006, 11:36 AM
No, it just seemed that the coaches weren't reaching them.

Capers and crew didn't all of the sudden get stupid in '05, I just think the players stopped responding to the staff. I don't think anyone believes that we played up to our talent level last year.
I did not get to see many games, so I don't know. I really hope that they do improve and play with passion.

thunderkyss
07-19-2006, 11:51 AM
I really think we had a read and react offensive line......... which just doesn't work.


I don't think the coaches went into a game thinking/teaching a philosophy, or a this is what we are going to do...... it was more of a "let's see what they do first, then adjust"

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 11:59 AM
I really think we had a read and react offensive line......... which just doesn't work.


I don't think the coaches went into a game thinking/teaching a philosophy, or a this is what we are going to do...... it was more of a "let's see what they do first, then adjust"

I agree

If they were reading and reacting, they were doing it well after the snap.

I think this year it'll be like instinct to them. they'll know exactly what to do when the ball is snapped.:redtowel:

MorKnolle
07-19-2006, 03:26 PM
SI put out a "photos" section of the 10 players most likely to impact the AFC South. Flanagan is one of these new selections, and I hope he is as effective as his resume suggests (Pro-Bowler in 2004).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0607/gallery.afcsouth/content.10.html

So speaking of starting line, has anything more been heard about how the interior line (Pitts, Flanagan, McKinney) are doing? Partly because of the acquisition of two tackles, I think more speculation is being made about that position, but I was wondering if anyone in the know has information about the inside linemen? Thanks.

How is Mike Vanderjagt #2? I think he and Vinatieri get way too much hype.

Meloy
07-19-2006, 04:02 PM
The real forgotten man in the line talk right now is Weary - the new administration apparently liked what they saw of him and extended him right away. I bring this up because with the 5 projected starters, the 4 you listed as depth, and Weary, there are a total of 10 o-lineman. Will we carry 10 or only 9? The 10 include 5 tackles, 3 guards, and 2 centers. I guess Weigert could get guard/tackle credit.

Anyway, these numbers lead me to think:

1) Pitts is staying at guard or we have no guard depth.
2) Salaam will get cut so we carry only 9 lineman.
3) Spencer might eventually see some guard duty. He should be the most flexible since he has the speed and footwork of a tackle and the strength of a guard.

Tackles: Wand, Weigert, Winston, Spencer
Guards: Pitts, McKinney, Weary
Center: Flanagan, Hodgdon I just tagged it on another thread same way Except Salaam in place of Weary based on projection of beginning season. I think Weary may beat out Salaam but the RADYO said Salaam better right now. Verrry interesting, yes?

Runner
07-19-2006, 04:12 PM
I just tagged it on another thread same way Except Salaam in place of Weary based on projection of beginning season. I think Weary may beat out Salaam but the RADYO said Salaam better right now. Verrry interesting, yes?

I selected Weary because he is the only back-up guard we have and because of his new contract extension.

Spencer is the wild card in all of this and projecting into the future. He has only played offense for two years, one each at guard and tackle as I understand it. He is raw because of this limited experience, but it apears he has a tremendous combination of agility and strength. If he can be coached up to NFL levels, and I think he can be, he could be a force at either guard or tackle. I guess he needs to learn one position first, but it will be interesting to see where he ends up and how soon.

bayoudreamn
07-19-2006, 04:14 PM
Maybe a little but IMO there was a lot of miscommunication and misdirection on the line. They looked as if they were a step behind everyone else due to trying to determine who does what, where, when. They should have thier assignment and know what they're going to do before the ball is snapped. It should be instilled in thier mind and be an instinct on the field.:twocents:

Players have said in interviews this year that they were "behind the curve" in zone blocking in the past and that the changes they've seen from this group of coaches have been amazing...(don't expect a direct quote....that's the short version)

mikoto
07-19-2006, 04:25 PM
I like Hodgdon (sp?) also. He has way above average upper-body strength for any type of lineman (read: won't get pushed around by D tackles/noseguards). His spot duty last year impressed me. He didn't exactly set the world on fire but I thought he held his own quite nicely. I see him as the center of the future, maybe 1 or 2 years from now when Flanagan (sp?) hangs 'em up.

I also agree we look center next year on the second day (barring special talent on first day) to groom for depth.

threetoedpete
07-19-2006, 05:41 PM
Spencer- Pitts- Flanagan-McKinney-Weigert

by mid season

Spencer-Pitts-Hodgdon-Winston-Weigert

'07

Spencer-Pitts-Hodgdon-Weigert-Winston

:twocents:

AFD1717
07-20-2006, 10:18 AM
I like Hogdon too but I don't think he beats out Flanagan unless Flanagan gets hurt (again). Is that what you were implying? If so, that is a real possibility.

I think Wiegert's days are numbered due to age and injuries. How long do we have him signed for? What about McKinney?

MorKnolle
07-22-2006, 12:53 PM
Spencer- Pitts- Flanagan-McKinney-Weigert

by mid season

Spencer-Pitts-Hodgdon-Winston-Weigert

'07

Spencer-Pitts-Hodgdon-Weigert-Winston

:twocents:

I don't see them putting Winston at OG for part of the year if they intend for him to play OT. I also don't see Hodgdon being put in mid-season unless Flanagan gets hurt, otherwise I like this lineup.