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TexanFan4Life
07-18-2006, 12:26 AM
Hope some of you saw the NFL Live show today. Golic and his former Cowboy counterpart (Darren Woodson) dissed the Texans yet again. They were rating all the new coaches prospects for the upcoming season and point blank said, "The Texans won't do anything. They don't have enough talent." Not being a pollyanna, I do think they are totally misinformed. Somebody ought to tell them what a great offseason we had. Besides, the boys on NFL Radio on Sirius say we had a great offseason and could be a big suprise. Also, Trent Dilfer was on Sirius and said he was talking with David Carr and said DC was so excited and thought they would be much improved and that Kubes was so much different a coach than he had ever had. I, myself am looking for a 5 to 9 win season. Less is pathetic, more is a dream come true. Is it time for training camp yet?:mario:

blockhead83
07-18-2006, 12:30 AM
Every year some show disses the Texans, and every year the Texans haven't proven them wrong. I'll wait and see how we perform before passing judgement on those comments.

Byshop
07-18-2006, 12:40 AM
Much agreed...I'm so wanting to be excited watching this team transform into what it is, and yet not do like last year and start overhyping the Texans potential. Kubiak will need this year to build their confidence and try out his new team doing the things he wants to do. DC will be much improved for sure, as well as the defensive and offensive line play. Having a passcatching tightend for a change and a #2 receiver are all amazing. Just a little while longer till the pads go on....:francis:

Texans Pride
07-18-2006, 01:06 AM
Let the NFL analysts say what they will about the team. They can say we are going to do nothing and flounder just like years in the past. They can also say that we are going to win the Superbowl and go undefeated. In the end, it is the Texans job to create their own destiny. . . prove them wrong, prove them right...it's on the team.


So far, through four years of existence, all of the analysts who we have been screaming at for not giving us any respect, have been right on. . .maybe we aren't giving them their due respect :brickwall

TexanFan4Life
07-18-2006, 01:18 AM
My point is that it is more uninformed, lack of research, and total NFL lite information. They do it to all the teams. As an example, look how they hype the JAGS every year. Life Leftwich is the second coming of Bart Starr! Please!!! I am a realist just like all of you but hate the lack of research these NFL experts come up with. The only one I put any cred into is Pat Kirwan or Len Pasquarelli. Salsbury and those other goobers, primordial slime!

AFD1717
07-18-2006, 01:25 AM
I hope every player in the league heard their "analysis".

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 01:29 AM
When has the media ever cut our team some slack? We're going to be the "expansion team" until we go out and make the playoffs. We're going to be way under the radar until then. Oh well, as long as all of us Texans fans know how good our team is. When they have to focus on 32 teams they forget about teams like us. There knowledge is no greater on our team than the average Texan fan. Us fans that are on here often know way more than they know about our team because we are focused on our team and they are focused on every single team and we get overshadowed. But if we want a reputation we're going to have to earn it.

TexansSeminole
07-18-2006, 01:37 AM
But if we want a reputation we're going to have to earn it.

Agreed.

I just look at this kind of stuff and laugh, because it is very common for TV analysts to say one thing today and the opposite the next. I know they will be somewhat on the bandwagon by the end of the season, next year. I dont think you can deny that this team is actively "coming up" in the NFL. They will hate while they still can, because its probably funny to people who are not Texans fans (be it Colts fans or just people who think we suck). They will do this same thing to the team that is last place next year.

mexican_texan
07-18-2006, 03:53 AM
Here's a tip--don't watch too much ESPN. The NFL Network doesn't have great programming yet, but their analysis isn't unbiased(not THAT biased anyway) and the stuff on FSN has better local stuff.

ESPN shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, but with a salt mine.

Hutch13
07-18-2006, 03:58 AM
Like TexanFan881 said, we have to earn it and this year we will.

TexanFan4Life
07-18-2006, 04:34 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention this nugget in the NFL Live assessment. They said that being in the same division as the Colts and Jags, we just don't have the talent and can't compete. Sorry, but boy won't it be fun when they do start saying good things about us. God, is it kickoff yet? :brickwall

Texansfan36
07-18-2006, 04:39 AM
Yea I can't wait to see the look on Golic and Salisbury's faces when we prove them wrong, Jeeez why can't the season start already.

NATHANHALE
07-18-2006, 05:48 AM
So, what's going to happen first-- wins or excuses? IMO, if we want wins, we better stop making excuses for losses. If players perform their best/well and we lose, that's one thing--performing poorly and losing is another. We need to replace the excuses with accountability if we ever expect to get respect around the league.

Txn_in_FL
07-18-2006, 08:05 AM
So what happens if they beat Philly the first game of the season? Is it a fluke or is it a team up and coming? I think that game could really set the tone for the season. Will they beat Indy in week 2? I'm not holding out THAT much hope but who knows.

Like most are saying, we want this team to have respect, it's their job to go out there and get respect. By the end of the season the jabbering heads will all be talking about how they just KNEW how good the Texans were going to be this year.

Whatever, I just want the season to start.

the wonger need food
07-18-2006, 08:42 AM
So, what's going to happen first-- wins or excuses? IMO, if we want wins, we better stop making excuses for losses. If players perform their best/well and we lose, that's one thing--performing poorly and losing is another. We need to replace the excuses with accountability if we ever expect to get respect around the league.

"I donít think this week is necessarily a must win, but I think it is a must play well." - Davie Carr

This type of mentality should never be tolerated again...

dalemurphy
07-18-2006, 08:44 AM
Mark Schlereth, Eric Allen, Ron Jaworski, Merrill Hoge... all have educated and interesting perspectives on ESPN. Pretty much, the rest of the analysis is canned crap. Salisbury is a lame shock-jock. I don't understand why Mike Golic is there. Most of the guys just out of the NFL like Darren Woodsen are awful. I did really like Bryan Cox when he was there a couple years ago.

Hulk75
07-18-2006, 09:17 AM
Mark Schlereth, Eric Allen, Ron Jaworski, Merrill Hoge... all have educated and interesting perspectives on ESPN. Pretty much, the rest of the analysis is canned crap. Salisbury is a lame shock-jock. I don't understand why Mike Golic is there. Most of the guys just out of the NFL like Darren Woodsen are awful. I did really like Bryan Cox when he was there a couple years ago.
I really listen up when these guys talk, I think those 2 are the best on the shows.
Merrill Hodge does a very good job, you may not agree with what he is talking about but he is telling the truth and I like the fact that he is not trying to tell you what you want to here.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-18-2006, 09:22 AM
Every year some show disses the Texans, and every year the Texans haven't proven them wrong. I'll wait and see how we perform before passing judgement on those comments.

BlockHead83 is the most practical person on this board. Props.

powerfuldragon
07-18-2006, 10:55 AM
Every year some show disses the Texans, and every year the Texans haven't proven them wrong. I'll wait and see how we perform before passing judgement on those comments.

Agreed.

WiiBrawler
07-18-2006, 11:02 AM
Every year some show disses the Texans, and every year the Texans haven't proven them wrong. I'll wait and see how we perform before passing judgement on those comments.

Everyday some shows dissed a houston team

wrestler4life
07-18-2006, 11:18 AM
Everyday some shows dissed a houston team
I would say that the past few seaons for the Texans and Rockets have warranted that.

Mr. White
07-18-2006, 11:24 AM
I really doubt that Golic and Woodson are all that aware of what changes have gone on in Houston. I bet they still think Flanagan is in GB and they probably don't know where Mike Sherman is now. All the national media knows about us now is that we passed up on Reggie Bush.

We'll stay under their radar until we put some wins together.

SESupergenius
07-18-2006, 11:55 AM
Our secondary is not close to being an above average unit. We are switching to a 4-3 with a brand new playbook and new coaches. We lack veteran leadership on the defense. Our linebackers are still a mystery. Our defensive line will be shifting more and will take time to be a unit. Our offense is going through a major overhaul. For the 5th year in a row our offensive line will be totally remade. We will have a new playbook for the offense as well has coaches. Our starting RB is banged up. We lost a potentially good WR for half the year.


....there are just too many factors for us to have a mediocre season.

Bobo
07-18-2006, 11:57 AM
Hope some of you saw the NFL Live show today. Golic and his former Cowboy counterpart (Darren Woodson) dissed the Texans yet again. They were rating all the new coaches prospects for the upcoming season and point blank said, "The Texans won't do anything. They don't have enough talent." Not being a pollyanna, I do think they are totally misinformed. Somebody ought to tell them what a great offseason we had. Besides, the boys on NFL Radio on Sirius say we had a great offseason and could be a big suprise. Also, Trent Dilfer was on Sirius and said he was talking with David Carr and said DC was so excited and thought they would be much improved and that Kubes was so much different a coach than he had ever had. I, myself am looking for a 5 to 9 win season. Less is pathetic, more is a dream come true. Is it time for training camp yet?:mario:

A.) Put away the pompoms. They are correct. Most informed analysts realize that Capers took a young, green, inexperienced and untalented team to great accomplishment during his tenure. B.) Come on! Only folks who have the blinders on see the Texans as having a "great" offseason. Most see it as mediocre to below average with the mysterious waiving of Ragone and Wells and the head-scratching pickups of Rosenfels and Moulds. C.) As for what David Carr said, stop it. This is nothing more than fluff. What do you expect a player to say?

HOU-TEX
07-18-2006, 12:00 PM
....there are just too many factors for us to have a mediocre season.[/QUOTE]

Yea, but we'll still do better than the titans:redtowel:

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-18-2006, 12:11 PM
....there are just too many factors for us to have a mediocre season.[/QUOTE]

Yea, but we'll still do better than the titans:redtowel:

Texans will go 0-16 and we will go 16-0. Vince will have 2,000 rushing yards, LenDale will have 1,600 with 22 TDs.

HOU-TEX
07-18-2006, 12:18 PM
Texans will go 0-16 and we will go 16-0. Vince will have 2,000 rushing yards, LenDale will have 1,600 with 22 TDs.

Wow! Your dreams are getting a little out of hand.

Vince will get hurt the first game he plays and Lendale will trip over his own fat and tear a hammy again.:stirpot:

Hardcore Texan
07-18-2006, 12:41 PM
Hope some of you saw the NFL Live show today. Golic and his former Cowboy counterpart (Darren Woodson) dissed the Texans yet again. They were rating all the new coaches prospects for the upcoming season and point blank said, "The Texans won't do anything. They don't have enough talent." Not being a pollyanna, I do think they are totally misinformed. Somebody ought to tell them what a great offseason we had. Besides, the boys on NFL Radio on Sirius say we had a great offseason and could be a big suprise. Also, Trent Dilfer was on Sirius and said he was talking with David Carr and said DC was so excited and thought they would be much improved and that Kubes was so much different a coach than he had ever had. I, myself am looking for a 5 to 9 win season. Less is pathetic, more is a dream come true. Is it time for training camp yet?:mario:


A couple of the guys on their are pretty good, I like Hodge and maybe one or two others.

The rest of all these yahoos will flip-flop when we start doing well, and act like the new it all along.

Texans Pride
07-18-2006, 12:48 PM
"I donít think this week is necessarily a must win, but I think it is a must play well." - Davie Carr

This type of mentality should never be tolerated again...


Wonger, where did this quote come from? Which game and when? He should have been benched for making a comment like that.

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 12:51 PM
Every week is a must win :redtowel:

NATHANHALE
07-18-2006, 01:20 PM
Our secondary is not close to being an above average unit. We are switching to a 4-3 with a brand new playbook and new coaches. We lack veteran leadership on the defense. Our linebackers are still a mystery. Our defensive line will be shifting more and will take time to be a unit. Our offense is going through a major overhaul. For the 5th year in a row our offensive line will be totally remade. We will have a new playbook for the offense as well has coaches. Our starting RB is banged up. We lost a potentially good WR for half the year.


....there are just too many factors for us to have a mediocre season.

...wow, so much for this year, and maybe the next couple of years, too--heck, by the time we solve these problems, is there a chance 'new' ones will pop-up? Darn, how come Vince Lombardi never had these problems? He expected his team to win every year?---just ain't fair...oh.welll

infantrycak
07-18-2006, 01:23 PM
We lack veteran leadership on the defense.

That seems overstated IMO. Payne has emerged as a leader on the DL and Weaver comes across as one as well. If Cowart does man the middle he would provide vet leadership for the LB's. Dunta is clearly a leader in the secondary.

NederlandTexan
07-18-2006, 01:27 PM
Our secondary is not close to being an above average unit. We are switching to a 4-3 with a brand new playbook and new coaches. We lack veteran leadership on the defense. Our linebackers are still a mystery. Our defensive line will be shifting more and will take time to be a unit. Our offense is going through a major overhaul. For the 5th year in a row our offensive line will be totally remade. We will have a new playbook for the offense as well has coaches. Our starting RB is banged up. We lost a potentially good WR for half the year.


....there are just too many factors for us to have a mediocre season.
Gloom, despair, and agony on me, WHOA.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery, WHOA!
:crying: :crying: :crying:

the wonger need food
07-18-2006, 01:52 PM
Wonger, where did this quote come from? Which game and when? He should have been benched for making a comment like that.

This was probably preached by Capers more than an original thought by Carr.

Read the last entry he made, when they were 0-3 last season. How in the world the next game is not a must win is beyond me.

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=32977&section=journal

TexanFan4Life
07-18-2006, 07:01 PM
To those that don't think we have a leader on defense, you should have seen Dunta tear Buchannon a new backside on the sidelines after one really boneheaded play on his part last season before he was benched. I saw it first hand and Buchannon didn't take to being called out by a second year player. It shows the quick maturation of DR. It can onl;y get better.:homer:

TexansSeminole
07-18-2006, 07:28 PM
To those that don't think we have a leader on defense, you should have seen Dunta tear Buchannon a new backside on the sidelines after one really boneheaded play on his part last season before he was benched. I saw it first hand and Buchannon didn't take to being called out by a second year player. It shows the quick maturation of DR. It can onl;y get better.:homer:

Yea didnt he throw his helmet down while Buchanon was sittin on the bench and initiate what looked like a heated convorsation.

MorKnolle
07-18-2006, 10:29 PM
Yea didnt he throw his helmet down while Buchanon was sittin on the bench and initiate what looked like a heated convorsation.

Yes, it was after that ole "tackle" by Buchanon during the Pittsburgh game last year, I saw that again on tape last week when I was rewatching that game. Shameful play by Buchanon but it was good to see Dunta's leadership developing.

sakebomb
07-18-2006, 10:39 PM
Don't get me wrong but we still don't have very good talent. Yes I do believe that we had a great offseason but Capers and Co. screwed our talent level up big time. It is going to take two more good offseasons to get to where we should be.

*We don't know who are opening day running back is going to be. Hopefully Davis is ready but as of now its a toss up.

*How is Carr going to do in the new system?

*What about the OL? Are they going to gel and play better as a unit?

*What about the switch to the 4-3? We still don't know how Peek and Babin are going to do.

*Will Wong play?

*The secondary is a pretty huge ? mark as well.

There are more but these were the ones that came to my head.
We got rid of a bunch of scrubs no doubt but the Texans have a bunch of questions.

sakebomb
07-18-2006, 10:42 PM
Check out this tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnElINuH39Y

WildBlackBear32
07-18-2006, 10:45 PM
I really listen up when these guys talk, I think those 2 are the best on the shows.
Merrill Hodge does a very good job, you may not agree with what he is talking about but he is telling the truth and I like the fact that he is not trying to tell you what you want to here.


Hoge is probably the biggest windbag on all of ESPN's network television. He says the most ridiculously asinine things that just seem to be stupid beyond words, just to stir the pot. I'm not talking about his assessments on Houston either.

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 10:56 PM
We don't know who are opening day running back is going to be. Hopefully Davis is ready but as of now its a toss up.

I think we'll have that solved by the time the year starts. If DD isn't ready Kubes will have time to go get somone who is a good, solid, capable starting RB.

How is Carr going to do in the new system?

With Kubes helping him out and seeing what he's done with Jake Plummer I think it's safe to say he will be solid this year with so many new weapons. He's shown promise in the past and this year it will show.

What about the OL? Are they going to gel and play better as a unit?

This is a good question, it's been the main question of our franchise, and I think we've finally fixed it. We got Flanagan, and two young talented rookies, and former Super Bowl winning head coach Mike Sherman coaching our OL. With the new scheme we're running and the right coaching I'm excited to see how well they can do.

What about the switch to the 4-3? We still don't know how Peek and Babin are going to do.

The switch to the 4-3 is a long time coming. We've never had a great defense under the 3-4 and it's not like it can get worse. Again, with the right coaching, which is all most of our players need, I expect the switch to go off easily. We've added players who have played in the 4-3 too like Kalu, Weaver, and Cowart, and we've added super beast man Mario Williams and we'll have a pash rush that's better than we've ever seen in our existance. Babin played 4-3 DE in college and I don't see this being a big hurdle especially for him.

Will Wong play?

I don't think it matters. I think our LB corps is greatly underrated. We've got Shantee Orr, who led the team in sacks last year, Sam Cowart, who yes, might be getting old, but is still a solid starter, and Morlon Greenwood, who this 4-3 move helps out the most. Expect a huge comback year from him. And with adding Demeco in the draft, I'm suprised Wong is still on the team.

The secondary is a pretty huge ? mark as well.

Buchanon has been working extremely hard on his tackling skills and it's great that he notices that there's definately a problem there. The pressure from the front 7 should also add help for the DBs. I think CC will be exceptional in his second year and he's said he feels he's already improved greatly and Earl has consistantly been solid for us.

I believe each and everyone of our players has the talent to be a solid starter at there respective position but all they need that's different from the past years is the right coaching. They need to be directed in the right path, and I have confidence in Kubes that he and everyone he hired will be successful in that.

mexican_texan
07-18-2006, 11:09 PM
This is the last time I'll say it: Buchanon was juked by Willie Parker, it wasn't a lack of effort on the tackle.

TwinSisters
07-18-2006, 11:15 PM
This was probably preached by Capers more than an original thought by Carr.

Read the last entry he made, when they were 0-3 last season. How in the world the next game is not a must win is beyond me.

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=32977&section=journal

Dear Mr.Perpetually Starving Wonger,

You didn't read enough...

As far as injuries go, I feel pretty good. This off-season they did a good job bringing in some free agents on the offensive side of the ball. You know, that was kind of a concern going into the offseason but they did a great job. They brought in Todd Wade from Miami; we got Mark Bruener from Pittsburgh, who I think is really going to help us as far as leadership, being a force there at the tight-end position to help us block. And Billy Miller does a great job catching the ball and he does a great job run blocking, but I think Mark's just going to help us out more so we can do some more two-tight-end sets -- kind of just mix it up a little bit and give defenses something else to handle. Hopefully, we'll be a little more diverse this year and we'll see what happens.

Hot damn! Guess what year he said that in? 2005? Wrong. Bad Wonger. BAD!

Here you go... alright sit up. I'll give you another treat.

We brought in Putzier, Flanagan, and now we have a person to throw to on everydown! More two tight end sets and a brand NEW system!

Enjoy.

Yours Truely,
Houston's #1 True Fan

MorKnolle
07-19-2006, 12:23 AM
This is the last time I'll say it: Buchanon was juked by Willie Parker, it wasn't a lack of effort on the tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq9aNSnMq7Y

He may have gotten juked but he sure didn't give a whole lot of effort into tackling Parker.

mexican_texan
07-19-2006, 12:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq9aNSnMq7Y

He may have gotten juked but he sure didn't give a whole lot of effort into tackling Parker.
I see him out of place and stand by my statement. Look at it when Parker is about to cross or just crossed the line of scrimmage. He fakes an outside move and heads inside, not quite Barry Sanders-eque, but it was a nice move.

MorKnolle
07-19-2006, 12:40 AM
I see him out of place and stand by my statement. Look at it when Parker is about to cross or just crossed the line of scrimmage. He fakes an outside move and heads inside, not quite Barry Sanders-eque, but it was a nice move.

Yes it was a decent move (although far from being anything special), but all Buchanon does is kind of wave his arms at him and he gets both hands on him without making any more of an effort at bringing down the runner. Any defensive player with any acceptable level of pride would have made a much more serious attempt to bring him down. Everyone gets juked (see following clip for a really nice juke), but generally people will give a better attempt at recovering afterward. This lack of effort was common last year, although I can come up with a few clips where Buchanon actually made a pretty nice tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqe0G3wu8Ms

mexican_texan
07-19-2006, 12:46 AM
Yes it was a decent move, but all Buchanon does is kind of wave his arms at him and he gets both hands on him. Any defensive player with any acceptable level of pride would have made a much more serious attempt to bring him down. Everyone gets juked (see following clip for a really nice juke), but generally people will give a better attempt at recovering afterward. This lack of effort was common last year, although I can come up with a few clips where Buchanon actually made a pretty nice tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqe0G3wu8Ms
He was going against his momentum. Call it a lack of effort, but I've seen players do less when juked like that. At least he didn't rupture his ACL like Rod Woodson versus Barry Sanders...though I bet some guys would have preferred that.

MorKnolle
07-19-2006, 12:51 AM
He was going against his momentum. Call it a lack of effort, but I've seen players do less when juked like that. At least he didn't rupture his ACL like Rod Woodson versus Barry Sanders...though I bet some guys would have preferred that.

Yes, I will still call it lack of effort, and most people on here will likely agree, although it is still probably slightly less embarassing than these two clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5fk99KsSSI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ-V5ynJcDA

Texans Pride
07-19-2006, 01:06 AM
Dear Mr.Perpetually Starving Wonger,

You didn't read enough...



Hot damn! Guess what year he said that in? 2005? Wrong. Bad Wonger. BAD!

Here you go... alright sit up. I'll give you another treat.

We brought in Putzier, Flanagan, and now we have a person to throw to on everydown! More two tight end sets and a brand NEW system!

Enjoy.

Yours Truely,
Houston's #1 True Fan


I've read this a few times, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

mexican_texan
07-19-2006, 01:12 AM
Come one now...one of the most shown commercials on the NFL Network is Brian Urlacher and a few of his teammates getting run over by Jerome Bettis. NFL Defensive Player of the Year Brian Urlacher was owned by the Bus.

What, you can't show Jerome Mathis or PBuc juking someone? :bananasplit:

TwinSisters
07-19-2006, 04:26 AM
I've read this a few times, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

Carr has said the same thing 3 year's straight.

take out Wade insert Flanagan.
take out Bruener insert Putzier. ( reverse on ends, something was wrong with Miller. Carr likes his blocking. )
take out one read quick pass system insert West Coast 4-5 hot system.
first system was too complicated, second system was too simple, third system was too short. Now the 4th system is back to some type of West Coast branch.

Now I haven't seen a whole lot of what Palmer was all about on paper, but supposedly his magic angle was using deep choice routes that required coordination between the WRs and the QB ( the WR makes the choice and the QB needs to understand what the WR is going to do ).

This failed because the line was injured and the WRs were too dumb. They couldn't keep themselves on the same page. ( amongst several other factors I imagine )

The new new new new system looks to be putting all of it back into the QB's hands. Meaning limited choice routes and back to the QB having to know where the open WR is without waiting on a key or a move by the WRer.

Cannot really say much about it yet, because all the staff has said is that they are going to do what they were doing in Denver in Houston. That doesn't mean anything... which brings me to the point of the reply.

Whatever Carr says, it doesn't mean a whole lot or inspire any confidence on its own. When you say this is looking better, we got a better system, we got some veterans, it's going to be a good year for 3 years straight and each one implodes on itself... it might take a little punch out of the statements.
( and yes 7-9 is a failure... not as dismal as 2-14, 4-12, and 5-11, but crapped out seasons with a highlight of winning two back to back games. 22 midgets in Brazil couldn't limbo underneath that bar )

The same for do your job and play well and the wins will fall into place.
or
It's not a must win, it's a must play well

It would wager you could serve the man up two rotten bananas, some spoiled milk, and four leftover eggs from last Easter and he is going to say, "It's going to be a good meal this season. So long as I just hold my fork straight. Keep my elbows off the table. And chew with my mouth closed."

High on optimism, low in realism, more cloud, less dirt; it's called dreaming.

the wonger need food
07-19-2006, 08:54 AM
I've read this a few times, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

I'm with you bro. He must have had a few too many last night.

infantrycak
07-19-2006, 08:59 AM
High on optimism, low in realism, more cloud, less dirt; it's called dreaming.

No, it's called toeing the party line.

TwinSisters
07-19-2006, 10:40 AM
No, it's called toeing the party line.

either way... empty entry in the log. Did he really buy into it or not? I bet he does... or he did. And that sets the trap for who's accountable and responsible for what Dave says, believes in, and does.

The party or Dave?

infantrycak
07-19-2006, 10:48 AM
either way... empty entry in the log. Did he really buy into it or not? I bet he does... or he did. And that sets the trap for who's accountable and responsible for what Dave says, believes in, and does.

The party or Dave?

From watching the discussions over the phone (Palmer) and on the sidelines (Pendry), I don't think Carr bought into it (especially over time), but that's JMO. IMO Carr's mentioning the lack of audible options was a break from the public party line and passive aggressive maneuver to get the system changed. He was also reported to have requested a meeting after the 2004 season, and then there was whatever discussions resulted in him calling the plays in the St. Louis and Arizona games.

This is one of those darned if you do, darned if you don't issues. Toe the party line and you are an unrealistic simpleton who can't see the flaws in the system, don't toe it and you are a lockerroom cancer whose bad attitude helps prevent the system from working.

Hulk75
07-19-2006, 11:45 AM
Texans will go 0-16 and we will go 16-0. Vince will have 2,000 rushing yards, LenDale will have 1,600 with 22 TDs.
What are you 12 years old?

SESupergenius
07-19-2006, 11:59 AM
...wow, so much for this year, and maybe the next couple of years, too--heck, by the time we solve these problems, is there a chance 'new' ones will pop-up? Darn, how come Vince Lombardi never had these problems? He expected his team to win every year?---just ain't fair...oh.welll
yes you are right, so much for this year because we are not going to the Super Bowl, sorry to tell you that. But I will still enjoy watching this team mature through all of the new additions to this team. It's just called reality.


That seems overstated IMO. Payne has emerged as a leader on the DL and Weaver comes across as one as well. If Cowart does man the middle he would provide vet leadership for the LB's. Dunta is clearly a leader in the secondary.Payne voiced his opinion 1 time, that is far from a leader. A leader gets it done, and last year Payne didn't. Cowart could be a leader, but if he's not on the field, then sorry, he's not. Has he taken over the LB corps and put everyone under his wing? we'll see in training camp. Dunta has a very unsuccessful year last year and sure he can call out someone for poor play and yes he can be vocal, but again, he needs to get it done and rally the whole unit. I don't think he has that yet. Wong is the only one with leadership skills and he's suspect at this point. If Cowart, Payne and Dunta are our leaders, then we need help.

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Gloom, despair, and agony on me, WHOA.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery, WHOA!OK I got your point from the previous knucklehead comment. From the looks of it this team is headed in the right direction, but It isn't gonna happen overnight. There is not doom and gloom about it, I see it as a gradual process, you seem to want instant gratification.....and that will only lead you to crash on this team harder. Set realistic goals for this team, we were 2-14 last year, you might enjoy this upcoming season better.

TwinSisters
07-19-2006, 12:01 PM
This is one of those darned if you do, darned if you don't issues. Toe the party line and you are an unrealistic simpleton who can't see the flaws in the system, don't toe it and you are a lockerroom cancer whose bad attitude helps prevent the system from working.

har har.. yealp yep yep - Al, Happy Days

There is no winning it, if you are losing it. Then of course if you are winning it, everyone is a freakin' genius. Belichick - genius. Weiss - genius. Crennel - genius. Brady - genius. Bruschi - the best LB. Dillon, Branch, Brown, Vrabel, Koppen, etc - genius, genius, genius, genius, and genius etc.

3-4? genius. Run, run, outs? pure genius.

or just swap out genius for clutch.

EDIT:
Also Ticket manager - genius

I am not kidding. One of their executives had a full page story on the USC Alumni site talking about the Patriots. Her task? Super Bowl ticket coordination or something like that. Had she worked for the Lions... she would've gotten regulated to page 6 and most likely with one line next her name. Something like "works in the NFL", but instead she is a genius and clutch.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-19-2006, 12:08 PM
Wow! Your dreams are getting a little out of hand.

Vince will get hurt the first game he plays and Lendale will trip over his own fat and tear a hammy again.:stirpot:

joking

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 12:11 PM
joking

I know, so was I:shades:

trane
07-19-2006, 01:01 PM
Hope some of you saw the NFL Live show today. Golic and his former Cowboy counterpart (Darren Woodson) dissed the Texans yet again. They were rating all the new coaches prospects for the upcoming season and point blank said, "The Texans won't do anything. They don't have enough talent." Not being a pollyanna, I do think they are totally misinformed. Somebody ought to tell them what a great offseason we had. Besides, the boys on NFL Radio on Sirius say we had a great offseason and could be a big suprise. Also, Trent Dilfer was on Sirius and said he was talking with David Carr and said DC was so excited and thought they would be much improved and that Kubes was so much different a coach than he had ever had. I, myself am looking for a 5 to 9 win season. Less is pathetic, more is a dream come true. Is it time for training camp yet?:mario:

I have had the NFL network for a few months now and because their coverage is so extensive and informative, when I watched NFL Live it looked like a bad joke. Of course those guys criticized the Texans because they probably haven't paid any attention to them since the draft. Whereas the NFL network has followed teams after the draft, OTA's etc.

Also, Sterling Sharpe was on the NFL Network and he said drafting Mario Williams was the right move.

TexansSeminole
07-19-2006, 03:22 PM
I have had the NFL network for a few months now and because their coverage is so extensive and informative, when I watched NFL Live it looked like a bad joke. Of course those guys criticized the Texans because they probably haven't paid any attention to them since the draft. Whereas the NFL network has followed teams after the draft, OTA's etc.

Also, Sterling Sharpe was on the NFL Network and he said drafting Mario Williams was the right move.

Well he should know that having a star DE is disruptive. He was probably asked to help double team a few in his career, which takes away from his chance to get receptions and yards.

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 03:29 PM
Well he should know that having a star DE is disruptive. He was probably asked to help double team a few in his career, which takes away from his chance to get receptions and yards.

Are you thinking of Shannon Sharp? I'm not sure Sterling was blocking very many DEs. Unless I'm missing something.:twocents:

TexansSeminole
07-19-2006, 03:32 PM
Are you thinking of Shannon Sharp? I'm not sure Sterling was blocking very many DEs. Unless I'm missing something.:twocents:
Ah yea, I always get those two mixed up.

mexican_texan
07-19-2006, 03:32 PM
Sterling Sharpe was a WR, but he was on the same Packers team as the late Reggie White. Shannon, his pet horse, was a TE.

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 03:37 PM
Ah yea, I always get those two mixed up.

Cool, I hear ya

They were both pretty darn good but I can't stand listening to Shannon on the pre-game show. I hope he's not coming back. That goes for Micheal Irving too.:brickwall

TexansSeminole
07-19-2006, 03:38 PM
Cool, I hear ya

They were both pretty darn good but I can't stand listening to Shannon on the pre-game show. I hope he's not coming back. That goes for Micheal Irving too.:brickwall
Irvin is the worst. I sometimes even think the other guys want him off the show.

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 03:40 PM
Irvin is the worst. I sometimes even think the other guys want him off the show.

That's true they probably do. Let's just hope that Deon doesn't come back after he retires again.

TexansSeminole
07-19-2006, 03:41 PM
That's true they probably do. Let's just hope that Deon doesn't come back after he retires again.

I think it sucks for the guys who go to college for that position, and it gets taken by some guy who just got out of the league. That just sucks.

mexican_texan
07-19-2006, 03:44 PM
Shannon Sharpe is worse than Irvin, at least Irvin has some interesting things to say. Shannon just makes his stuff look interesting by talking very loud.

TexansSeminole
07-19-2006, 03:47 PM
Shannon Sharpe is worse than Irvin, at least Irvin has some interesting things to say. Shannon just makes his stuff look interesting by talking very loud.

hahahaha so true.

powerfuldragon
07-19-2006, 04:17 PM
Shannon Sharpe is worse than Irvin, at least Irvin has some interesting things to say. Shannon just makes his stuff look interesting by talking very loud.
... i like to laugh at them.

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 04:49 PM
... i like to laugh at them.

I guess that would be the best way approach it. We just think of it as pre-game comedy.:redtowel: I think it's about time for Bradshaw to hang it up too.:hunter:

HOU-TEX
07-19-2006, 04:53 PM
I think it sucks for the guys who go to college for that position, and it gets taken by some guy who just got out of the league. That just sucks.

That has also had 15 concussions and talks with a crooked mouth. LOL
I agree with you, it's not like they haven't made enough money playing. I think they should have the fans decide who does the commentating/pregame.:redtowel:

NoBullTexan
07-19-2006, 08:12 PM
Who cares what some ignorant redneck "tack" fan thinks, or some jagged kitty fan thinks, and who really cares what those east coast internet gurus think they think. All we have to take care of are the Texans right here, and right now. We will start doing that this year. Of course we beat Nashville and Jax (both twice in one year before) when we were coached by idiots, so what does that say about them. Ha ha ha!!!

tsip
07-19-2006, 09:25 PM
yes you are right, so much for this year because we are not going to the Super Bowl, sorry to tell you that. But I will still enjoy watching this team mature through all of the new additions to this team. It's just called reality.


Payne voiced his opinion 1 time, that is far from a leader. A leader gets it done, and last year Payne didn't. Cowart could be a leader, but if he's not on the field, then sorry, he's not. Has he taken over the LB corps and put everyone under his wing? we'll see in training camp. Dunta has a very unsuccessful year last year and sure he can call out someone for poor play and yes he can be vocal, but again, he needs to get it done and rally the whole unit. I don't think he has that yet. Wong is the only one with leadership skills and he's suspect at this point. If Cowart, Payne and Dunta are our leaders, then we need help.

OK I got your point from the previous knucklehead comment. From the looks of it this team is headed in the right direction, but It isn't gonna happen overnight. There is not doom and gloom about it, I see it as a gradual process, you seem to want instant gratification.....and that will only lead you to crash on this team harder. Set realistic goals for this team, we were 2-14 last year, you might enjoy this upcoming season better.

Sorry, you need to post the correct posters for their various posts--NATHANHALE did not make that last post, so who's the 'knucklehead' now?

titan hater
07-20-2006, 01:51 PM
Texans will go 0-16 and we will go 16-0. Vince will have 2,000 rushing yards, LenDale will have 1,600 with 22 TDs.

Really? Wow!! What an insightful analysis!! You should be on ESPN Tack Fan!! You knowledge of the game overwhelms me!!! Keep Up the good work (this area intentionally left blank as the writer does not wish to be banned)...

powerfuldragon
07-20-2006, 02:01 PM
I guess that would be the best way approach it. We just think of it as pre-game comedy.:redtowel: I think it's about time for Bradshaw to hang it up too.:hunter:
Imagine a show with Irvin, Bradshaw, Sharpe, and Deion. Quality tv.

dalemurphy
07-20-2006, 02:41 PM
Imagine a show with Irvin, Bradshaw, Sharpe, and Deion. Quality tv.


Well, I think the CBS crew a couple years ago of Glanville, Marino, Deion, and Esiason pretty much tops any ridiculous combination one can imagine!

HOU-TEX
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Well, I think the CBS crew a couple years ago of Glanville, Marino, Deion, and Esiason pretty much tops any ridiculous combination one can imagine!

I'd rather listen to the radio.:shades:

You know one guy I do like, Howie Long. Even know I was born and raised here, I used to idolize that guy. He was smart, quick and very smart to boot. I also enjoyed watching Ray Childress play. I think these two made me decide to play DE throughout school.:superman: