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TheCD
07-15-2006, 08:38 PM
Since it's that time of year again (you know what I mean) I decided I'd go ahead and restart the old debate...

Do you think that the best College Team could (realistically) beat the worst pro team (i.e. USC beating us)? This can include the best college team of all time and the worst pro team of all time...

blockhead83
07-15-2006, 08:51 PM
No, as I think was stated in the past when this question was raised they used to have college All-stars play NFL players and they always got wrecked. Any one college team won't have a boatload of players who'll even make the NFL, much less play at a high level upon getting there. NFL teams are composed of the best of the best from college, who've proven that they can compete at a high level against much better competition than college teams.

Any NFL team would put the smack down on any college team.

Huge
07-15-2006, 09:09 PM
Imagine an NFL team composed of nothing but rookies.

Would you like their chances against the worst team in the NFL?

Yeah, me either.

tiger06
07-15-2006, 09:25 PM
there's no way any college team would ever beat any pro team

swtbound07
07-15-2006, 09:45 PM
I disagree. Here is why.

You put dom capers on the pro team, and his gameplan is to keep things close and blow it in the 4th......

bigbrewster2000
07-15-2006, 09:48 PM
I disagree. Here is why.

You put dom capers on the pro team, and his gameplan is to keep things close and blow it in the 4th......
Thanks for the fantastic insight once again.....

CloakNNNdagger
07-15-2006, 09:51 PM
iF A TREE FALLS IN THE FOREST AND NO ONE HEARS IT, IS THERE REALLY A SOUND??........................LET THIS QUESTION DIE! NO ONE WILL EVER SET UP A REAL LIVE GAME TO TRY TO DEMONSTRATE THE HYPOTHESIS.

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OPINION

Can a College Football Team Beat an NFL Team?
December 05, 2005
Craig Lyndall

This morning on the Mike and Mike show on ESPN Radio, Mike Greenberg decided it was the time of year to ask the question that seems to get asked at least once per season as we weave toward the end of the college football year.

"What if (fill in the blank dominant college football team) lined up against (fill in the blank struggling NFL team)?"

A few years back when the Miami Hurricanes looked unbeatable, people wanted to know if they could beat the woeful Cincinnati Bengals. Now that the Bengals are good that question is silly. So this year's incarnation of the question was the USC Trojans vs. the injured and struggling New York Jets.

So Greenberg is asking the question and sensing that it is coming, co-host Mike Golic interrupts and says "No." before Greenberg can even finish asking the question. USC would get killed by the banged up Jets team. There is no way that the college team could ever stack up against an NFL team.

I agree with him, and I wish that this question/argument would just go away forever. It isn't even close. The NFL team will have 11 NFL capable players on their side of the ball and the college team will not. Let's take this year's question. Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart are both going to the NFL next season and they will be drafted in the first round, assuming no career-threatening injuries are sustained in their bowl game. The argument goes that they are NFL-quality players. While I will agree that they are going to be high draft picks and certainly capable of performing in the NFL, they are far from being NFL-quality players.

Think of it this way. How many NFL rookies come into the league and make an immediate impact? Not very many. Carson Palmer sat for an entire year before he started to play well. Despite the fact that he was a great college player, there was an NFL learning curve. Not to mention the fact that he didn't have to try and weather that learning curve with 10 other rookies. He had an offensive line, a couple wide receivers and a running back who were all past the rookie curve. The USC Trojans have zero players who are anywhere on the NFL learning curve. Every player on every NFL team has the experience bonus over every single USC player.

So now think of the USC Trojans with 11 offensive players and 11 defensive players who have far less experience and far less talent in many cases than their counterparts across the way. The NFL players on the practice squad are at least as good as many of the players on the Trojans.

The other portion of the argument is that you can't play this out on paper. The proponents of this College vs. Pro argument say that stacking a team against another team is different than going position by position and declaring a winner. I can agree with that to an extent. There is something to be said for the chemistry that a team builds over the course of a season or a 4-year college career. But, the same thing can be said for the NFL team. In my mind that is a wash. Same with coaching.

Don't fall victim to this argument this year or any subsequent year. A college football team doesn't stand a chance. It doesn't matter which college team dominates the world next year and it doesn't matter which NFL team falls apart next year.

LINK (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/12/05/094606.php)

TheCD
07-15-2006, 10:28 PM
I'm just wondering if there's anyone out there who does believe that a college team could prevail and present a convincing argument to that fact. Anyone up to the challenge?

mikoto
07-15-2006, 11:31 PM
The best college team ever sends maybe 5-10 players to the NFL in a year and most of those end up on the pine, or practice squad, or cut. End of story.

Re: Tree falling in the woods, that has an answer and Cloak knows it.



[Edit: comma placement]

The Pencil Neck
07-16-2006, 12:01 AM
This can include the best college team of all time and the worst pro team of all time...

If you limit it to recent memory, no. But if you're going to go best college team of all time against the worst pro team of all time, sure. There have been some really, really bad teams in the NFL and the worst team from the 20's wouldn't have a chance against most college teams today. A modern college team will have bigger, faster, and stronger athletes than a team from 60+ years ago.

And even if you restrict it to teams of the same period, I think some college teams from the 20's-50's were better coached and more athletic than the worst pro teams of the time.

Hookem Horns
07-16-2006, 01:07 PM
Do you think that the best College Team could (realistically) beat the worst pro team (i.e. USC beating us)? This can include the best college team of all time and the worst pro team of all time...

We'll find out when the Titans (Young, Lendale White) play the Texans. :)

P.S. USC were not and still aren't the best college team.

Speedy
07-16-2006, 01:29 PM
If you limit it to recent memory, no. But if you're going to go best college team of all time against the worst pro team of all time, sure. There have been some really, really bad teams in the NFL and the worst team from the 20's wouldn't have a chance against most college teams today. A modern college team will have bigger, faster, and stronger athletes than a team from 60+ years ago.

And even if you restrict it to teams of the same period, I think some college teams from the 20's-50's were better coached and more athletic than the worst pro teams of the time.
Yes, back in the days of yore maybe, but not today.

College All-Star Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_All-Star_Game)

You'll see that the College all-stars won 9 times in that 43 game series, last win was in 1963. The pros won 31 times and there was 1 tie.

In today's world, with the training, strength, and speed of the NFL, there's no way even the best college all-stars could take on the worst NFL team, much less the Super Bowl champs.

HJam72
07-16-2006, 08:48 PM
Since it's that time of year again (you know what I mean) I decided I'd go ahead and restart the old debate...

Do you think that the best College Team could (realistically) beat the worst pro team (i.e. USC beating us)? This can include the best college team of all time and the worst pro team of all time...

Uh, UT is the best team in College football, USC just had the best offense.

HJam72
07-16-2006, 08:50 PM
I think just for one day out of the year, like before offseason and NFL Draft there should be the worst team of the NFL go against the best of the NCAA just to prove points again. IMO, I would love to watch that game it would be very interesting unless its a blowout but it still would be hilarious.:yahoo:

Too many young players would get injured. It sounds fun, but it's not a good thing.

PapaL
07-16-2006, 10:00 PM
Any given Sunday....Is it possible, Yes. Likey? No.

MorKnolle
07-17-2006, 12:26 AM
Too many young players would get injured. It sounds fun, but it's not a good thing.

Agreed, I doubt many of the good players would play, especially the college ones as they wouldn't want to get hurt right before their draft preparations began, and it would be difficult to manage the liability of such injured players, not to mention the NFL players/team would probablynot want to bother playing hard either.

Kaiser Toro
07-17-2006, 10:00 AM
I would rather see the best two college football teams play a game against one another first. Luckliy that happened last year and we got a great game.

real
07-17-2006, 10:21 AM
Do you guys think that one of the best highschool teams could beat one of the worst Division I-A teams....IMO, yes....

ledzeppelin229
07-17-2006, 11:36 AM
Do you guys think that one of the best highschool teams could beat one of the worst Division I-A teams....IMO, yes....

Nah I don't think so...I think it's the same basic concept as College-Pro just on a lower level. Maybe it wouldn't be as much of a jump but I still think there would be a big difference. Everyone on even the worst I-A college team was a star in HS. Even I-AA I think it would be really tough for even the best HS team.

real
07-17-2006, 11:54 AM
Nah I don't think so...I think it's the same basic concept as College-Pro just on a lower level. Maybe it wouldn't be as much of a jump but I still think there would be a big difference. Everyone on even the worst I-A college team was a star in HS. Even I-AA I think it would be really tough for even the best HS team.

See that IMO, is a REAL debate....because I played I-AA football at Florida A&M and IMO, My highschool team would have mopped the floor with that squad...I think that some of the powerhouse highschool teams could easily beat some of the lower level college teams...just from personal experience...other than that I don't really have anything to back up my assumption...

Huge
07-17-2006, 01:56 PM
See that IMO, is a REAL debate....because I played I-AA football at Florida A&M and IMO, My highschool team would have mopped the floor with that squad...I think that some of the powerhouse highschool teams could easily beat some of the lower level college teams...just from personal experience...other than that I don't really have anything to back up my assumption...
Maybe at the NAIA level but nothing higher than that.

How many players from your high school team went on to play college ball?