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andrewm779
07-14-2006, 07:46 AM
Can one of you tell me about Jabbar Gaffney. I am an Eagles fan and would like to know if he was a player with potential or if he was looking like a dud before he left. Should he and Reggie Brown (2nd year player -2nd Rd Pick - with 43 catches last year) be an adequate WR combo?

the wonger need food
07-14-2006, 07:50 AM
If you need a slow receiver that runs sloppy routes, he's your man.

He does have good hands.

Bullpen Drew
07-14-2006, 07:51 AM
If he does great in Philly I at least have his autograph!

Mr. White
07-14-2006, 07:51 AM
He should be a decent 3rd receiver.

DocBar
07-14-2006, 07:52 AM
He is a decent possesion type receiver. He isn't going to stretch D's or anything. I would say he's an OK 3rd guy. Nowhere near our new 3rd guy, though.

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 07:54 AM
I'd never consider Gaffney to be a #1 reciever...... which it looks like you are going to be using him as.... he's a #2 at best, and I think he would be a much better #2 with you guys, than he could have been with us(when he was with us) because we had a weak passing game, where that's all you've got.


But with McNabb, that may be all you need........ two #2s...... where you are really lacking, is the running game...... you ain't got one. Your running backs are also WRs or QBs..... you don't have a real running back, and so you have no real running game, so you are up by 3(or was it six??), and still have to throw the ball, to keep the chains moving, to kill the clock, and what happens??

Roy Williams picks you off, and returns it for the score.....

That's not your only weakness though....... wait until Sept 10, and we'll show you a bunch of others......

texan279
07-14-2006, 07:54 AM
Jabar is not a burner, but his hands are like glue, he should do well as a #3 WR, I wouldn't put him as a #1 or #2 due to lack of speed.

TEXANRED
07-14-2006, 07:54 AM
Can one of you tell me about Jabbar Gaffney. I am an Eagles fan and would like to know if he was a player with potential or if he was looking like a dud before he left. Should he and Reggie Brown (2nd year player -2nd Rd Pick - with 43 catches last year) be an adequate WR combo?
Jabar has a nasty habit of not looking for the ball if his number isn't called in the huddle, so he is useless if the QB gets in trouble. He has decent hands but does not catch everything thrown his way. Average route runner has difficulty at times in getting open and spikes the football before getting over the goal-line. Does not have the best attitude in the world but not the worst either.

In my opinion not worth the first selection in the second round in 02.

Sub-par #2 very good #3 receiver.

andrewm779
07-14-2006, 08:00 AM
I'd never consider Gaffney to be a #1 reciever...... which it looks like you are going to be using him as.... he's a #2 at best, and I think he would be a much better #2 with you guys, than he could have been with us(when he was with us) because we had a weak passing game, where that's all you've got.


But with McNabb, that may be all you need........ two #2s...... where you are really lacking, is the running game...... you ain't got one. Your running backs are also WRs or QBs..... you don't have a real running back, and so you have no real running game, so you are up by 3(or was it six??), and still have to throw the ball, to keep the chains moving, to kill the clock, and what happens??

Roy Williams picks you off, and returns it for the score.....

That's not your only weakness though....... wait until Sept 10, and we'll show you a bunch of others......


ouch.



ouch.


and there'll be only 3 ways for the texans to win that game.

1. The eagles are flat like they usually are in an opener.
2. the texans have improved dramatically.
3. injuries

I think the eagles have as good of a roster as the 03, 02, and 01 eagles that went to the first 3 straight NFCCGs.

texan279
07-14-2006, 08:03 AM
Jabar has a nasty habit of not looking for the ball if his number isn't called in the huddle, so he is useless if the QB gets in trouble. He has decent hands but does not catch everything thrown his way. Average route runner has difficulty at times in getting open and spikes the football before getting over the goal-line. Does not have the best attitude in the world but not the worst either.

In my opinion not worth the first selection in the second round in 02.

Sub-par #2 very good #3 receiver.

Jabar has dropped 5 passes in the last 3 seasons.

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 08:14 AM
ouch.



ouch.


and there'll be only 3 ways for the texans to win that game.

1. The eagles are flat like they usually are in an opener.
2. the texans have improved dramatically.
3. injuries

I think the eagles have as good of a roster as the 03, 02, and 01 eagles that went to the first 3 straight NFCCGs.

There problem isn't personell....... it's lack of dedication to the run game, and McNabb....

Until he stops screwing up, they are on a downward spiral.......

I called the move from best to worse last year, because of the debacle of a SuperBowl the year before...... the problem was McNabb, not T.O. as long as they continue to ignore McNabb's faults, they won't move forward.

Last year, it was McNabb vs T.O. this year, it will be McNabb vs Reid...... I predict Ried will be looking for a new job come January. If that is true, the Eagles are in trouble for '07 & '08 as well...... Unless Ried gets control of that team, and start to seriously question McNabb, the Eagles are done.

done88
07-14-2006, 08:15 AM
He has a lot of potential but mentaly not there. I can count at least three times the ball actually hit him in the helment because he did not lookback to catch it. Multiple times he was open but not going full speed and could not get the ball thrown to him. If he is not the first option he tends to take the play off. His crack blocks are terriable. I got used to seeing Johnson paancake defenders and I watched Gaffney play patty cake with defenders. I believe the right coach can make him better but he needs an attitude adjustment.

Kaiser Toro
07-14-2006, 08:16 AM
Jabar in my opinion will be one of the best FA acquistions of the season from a value standpoint. Should have been a very good #2 for us and was an average #1 for us when he filled in for AJ.

TEXANRED
07-14-2006, 08:19 AM
Jabar has dropped 5 passes in the last 3 seasons.
Do you have a link for that or are you being funny?

Of course according to some of those stat sights Bradford only dropped two passes last year.

Take it for what its worth.

texanfan2002114
07-14-2006, 08:22 AM
Jabar has dropped 5 passes in the last 3 seasons.


That just means that 5 passes that he touched, he dropped. That doesn't mean that he extended himself in anyway possible to make a dramatic catch . Gaffney was a descent receiver given all the chances to be a #2 and couldn't even beat out Cory Bradford. I love the receiver corp that we have now and wouldn't take him back.

trane
07-14-2006, 08:23 AM
Can one of you tell me about Jabbar Gaffney. I am an Eagles fan and would like to know if he was a player with potential or if he was looking like a dud before he left. Should he and Reggie Brown (2nd year player -2nd Rd Pick - with 43 catches last year) be an adequate WR combo?


Jabbar Gaffney is the epitome of the University of Florida WR's. They enter the league highly touted and although they never are total busts...they never seem to reach their full potential. He will make some plays but he will never be the guy that will be the focal part of your offense. If he is...good luck.

HJam72
07-14-2006, 08:24 AM
He needs to take some of that glue on his hands and put it on his helmet. :)

Call his number on a 10 yd. route and watch him give you a first down. Don't call his number, throw the ball his way anyway, and watch him not watch the ball hit his head. He's extremely reliable....until he screws up really bad. :tease:

texanfan2002114
07-14-2006, 08:24 AM
Jabar in my opinion will be one of the best FA acquistions of the season from a value standpoint. Should have been a very good #2 for us and was an average #1 for us when he filled in for AJ.


Are you joking?? He couldn't beat out Bradford the 4 years they were here together.

infantrycak
07-14-2006, 08:28 AM
Are you joking?? He couldn't beat out Bradford the 4 years they were here together.

Are you joking?--judging players based on the ratings of a coaching staff which was so astute they all got fired and most haven't been re-hired.

Two words for you: Victor Riley

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 08:30 AM
Are you joking?? He couldn't beat out Bradford the 4 years they were here together.


yeah, but by the same guys that put Wand on the bench, McKinney at Center, took T.J. in the second, and Babin in the first.......

Kaiser Toro
07-14-2006, 08:38 AM
Are you joking?? He couldn't beat out Bradford the 4 years they were here together.

No, just my opinion. However, your understanding of the facts are off.

Bradford 38 games started. Gaffney 50 games started.

Last year Gaffney was tied for 51st in the league in recpetions on the third worst passing team in the NFL.

You may see nothing, but I see value.

texan279
07-14-2006, 08:39 AM
yeah, but by the same guys that put Wand on the bench, McKinney at Center, took T.J. in the second, and Babin in the first.......

Travis Johnson was taken in the 1st round. After his senior year a lot of people had him ranked as the #1 defensive lineman prospect in the nation. I think I will give him another season, especially in the 4-3, before making a decision on Johnson. And Babin right now is battling for the starting DE spot, so I don't see a problem with where he was picked in the 1st round. That was part of the old regime's problem, drafting, acquiring players from 4-3 defense's and trying to plug them into Fangio's 3-4. Wong, Babin, Johnson, Sharper, Robaire, and Payne all came from teams or colleges that played the 4-3, and I am probably forgetting a few guys.

texanfan2002114
07-14-2006, 08:39 AM
yeah, but by the same guys that put Wand on the bench, McKinney at Center, took T.J. in the second, and Babin in the first.......


you want to go that route then, they took gaffney over portis. and i still think gaffney is overrated.

Kaiser Toro
07-14-2006, 08:41 AM
you want to go that route then, they took gaffney over portis.

That destroyed me that day, but Gaffney was fine while he was here and will be good with the Eagles.

wags
07-14-2006, 08:44 AM
you want to go that route then, they took gaffney over portis. and i still think gaffney is overrated.

We took Chester Pitts one spot before Clinton Portis.

TheOgre
07-14-2006, 08:50 AM
Two words for you: Victor Riley

Marcus Spears is another one to throw out there.

The trivia question: Which dubious cast of characters have been given the unappealing task of playing offensive left tackle for Texans in their brief history?

Kaiser Toro
07-14-2006, 08:51 AM
We took Chester Pitts one spot before Clinton Portis.

Yep, we took Gaffney at 33 and Pitts at 50. Portis went at 51.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2002#round2

I wanted Portis at 33 before the draft and would have loved him at 50.

Brandon420tx
07-14-2006, 09:04 AM
Just don't run gaffney on any trick plays near the redzone, he'll fumble the ball out of bounds in the endzone:stirpot: :stirpot:

He's decent, I think the eagles should either draft a 1st round reciever or try to make a big free-agent acquisition to be their #1, Gaffney can make #2 but his best value would be coming out of the slot. The Eagles WR corps seems a little lackluster to me :crying: ... but I guess thats a good thing since we're playing them first game of the season.

infantrycak
07-14-2006, 09:17 AM
That was part of the old regime's problem, drafting, acquiring players from 4-3 defense's and trying to plug them into Fangio's 3-4. Wong, Babin, Johnson, Sharper, Robaire, and Payne all came from teams or colleges that played the 4-3, and I am probably forgetting a few guys.

Every D player in the nation except those who went to Marlyand or Virginia played in a 4-3. I understand the argument that TJ is better suited because of his play style to a 4-3 but restricting your search for draft picks who played 3-4 in college would result in no team in the NFL playing the 3-4. Clearly successful 3-4 D's can be built from folks coming from 4-3's in college.

infantrycak
07-14-2006, 09:21 AM
The trivia question: Which dubious cast of characters have been given the unappealing task of playing offensive left tackle for Texans in their brief history?

Pitts
Wand
Spears
Riley

at RT
Wade
Wiegert
Herndon

Who am I missing?

Doom Capers
07-14-2006, 09:22 AM
Seriously, he is a really good slot guy. A lot of these people are down on him. When Johnson was hurt this past year, Gaffney caught like 7 or 8 passes a game, and almost all of them for a first down. He runs GREAT routs and was the BEST route runner on this team. He will be killer for McNabb.

powerfuldragon
07-14-2006, 09:36 AM
I think Gaffney will do pretty well in Philly.

wags
07-14-2006, 10:14 AM
Pitts
Wand
Spears
Riley

at RT
Wade
Wiegert
Herndon

Who am I missing?

That guy who went to the Cowboys. Young or something like that? Repressed memories are so hard to pull back up.

infantrycak
07-14-2006, 10:18 AM
That guy who went to the Cowboys. Young or something like that? Repressed memories are so hard to pull back up.

Ryan Young

Coach C.
07-14-2006, 10:24 AM
Gaffney is a average receiver that with the right work could turn into a good receiver. I would compare him to TJ Housh from the Bengals. He runs decent routes, has good hands, and wants the ball. He will make a good 2 or 3 for the Eagles.

TEXANRED
07-14-2006, 10:27 AM
Pitts
Wand
Spears
Riley

at RT
Wade
Wiegert
Herndon

Who am I missing?
Young from 02. Got him from the Jets.

TexansSeminole
07-14-2006, 10:29 AM
Good things: He has a shifty move, notice that move is singular; he will make one guy miss but most likely fall forward for an extra yard or two.

He can catch the ball. Put him in the slot and have him run an out route and if the defense doesn't know whats coming you've most likely got yourself a few yards.

Uses his body decently in blocking defenders from the ball.

Bad things: He is a gator.

He is slow. Not slow, slow, but for a NFL WR he isn't quick or fast.

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 10:36 AM
Seriously, he is a really good slot guy. A lot of these people are down on him. When Johnson was hurt this past year, Gaffney caught like 7 or 8 passes a game, and almost all of them for a first down. He runs GREAT routs and was the BEST route runner on this team. He will be killer for McNabb.


I think Gaffney will make a good #2..... like I said earlier..... I did misspeak, saying we took TJ in the second....

But I'm not downing TJ, Babin, or Wand..... just pointing to the mismanagement of talent of the previous staff....... hence, just because Gaffney played behind Bradford, doesn't mean Bradford was better than Gaffney.... that's all I'm saying.

& every post referring to our previous staffs drafts, or player management just proves my point.

HJam72
07-14-2006, 10:40 AM
I think Gaffney will make a good #2..... like I said earlier..... I did misspeak, saying we took TJ in the second....

But I'm not downing TJ, Babin, or Wand..... just pointing to the mismanagement of talent of the previous staff....... hence, just because Gaffney played behind Bradford, doesn't mean Bradford was better than Gaffney.... that's all I'm saying.

& every post referring to our previous staffs drafts, or player management just proves my point.

That ain't no joke. I've been going nuts wanting them to play ANYBODY but Bradford for at least 2 seasons.

The way my lucks been, someway, somehow, Bradford will show up and start. He's not on the team....I don't even think he's on an NFL roster (could be wrong), but, somehow, that guy will show up for the Eagles game to start the season and Moulds will be sitting on the bench. :brickwall

MorKnolle
07-14-2006, 11:16 AM
Gaffney is a average receiver that with the right work could turn into a good receiver. I would compare him to TJ Housh from the Bengals. He runs decent routes, has good hands, and wants the ball. He will make a good 2 or 3 for the Eagles.

I think this is a decent comparison, Gaffney does have good hands and runs decent routes, although I think he lets himself get taken out of the game mentally too much and other posts on here are right that he doesn't always pay attention if the play isn't meant to go his way and he's not especially fast. He is a decent #2 option at WR, but is probably best in the slot as the #3 option.

That ain't no joke. I've been going nuts wanting them to play ANYBODY but Bradford for at least 2 seasons.

The way my lucks been, someway, somehow, Bradford will show up and start. He's not on the team....I don't even think he's on an NFL roster (could be wrong), but, somehow, that guy will show up for the Eagles game to start the season and Moulds will be sitting on the bench. :brickwall

Bradford is currently on the Lions.

TEXANRED
07-14-2006, 11:40 AM
I think Gaffney will make a good #2

Maybe on a pee-wee football team he makes a good #2. There is a reason why his best offer was a one year deal.

powerfuldragon
07-14-2006, 11:47 AM
the only good #2 gaffney makes is in the bathroom...

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 12:09 PM
the only good #2 gaffney makes is in the bathroom...


we shall see.......... oh yes..... we shall see..............

Kaiser Toro
07-14-2006, 12:21 PM
Maybe on a pee-wee football team he makes a good #2. There is a reason why his best offer was a one year deal.

That smells like an opinion with a splash of unadulterated sarcasm with little regard for the situation that he was in.

infantrycak
07-14-2006, 12:29 PM
In a top 10 passing offense last year (3677 yds--that played a significant part of the season with the 2nd and 3rd QB's and moved to dumping to the TE and RB), the top WR's had 763 yds (TO part time), 571 and 561 yds. In the 30th passing O (2237 yds), Gaffney had 492 yds (632 yds 2004). If he is consistantly on the field there is no reason not to expect him to connect for 800+ yds.

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 12:39 PM
In a top 10 passing offense last year (3677 yds--that played a significant part of the season with the 2nd and 3rd QB's and moved to dumping to the TE and RB), the top WR's had 763 yds (TO part time), 571 and 561 yds. In the 30th passing O (2237 yds), Gaffney had 492 yds (632 yds 2004). If he is consistantly on the field there is no reason not to expect him to connect for 800+ yds.

I concur

It feels good to be in accordance with Infantrycak..............

powerfuldragon
07-14-2006, 12:42 PM
we shall see.......... oh yes..... we shall see..............
i was joking. i like making poop jokes sometimes. ... sometimes.

Vambo, the Marble Eye
07-14-2006, 12:51 PM
That ain't no joke. I've been going nuts wanting them to play ANYBODY but Bradford for at least 2 seasons.

The way my lucks been, someway, somehow, Bradford will show up and start. He's not on the team....I don't even think he's on an NFL roster (could be wrong), but, somehow, that guy will show up ... to start the season and Moulds will be sitting on the bench. :brickwall

Do NOT say this... do not THINK THIS... (I happen to agree with you about Bradford but let's not tempt the devil.)

jerek
07-14-2006, 01:08 PM
I liked Gaff in what I saw of him as a player, but I have it on limited inside word that he was lazy in practice and not a particularly fiery player; a theory which receives some validation in our new staff opting to cut him. Will be interested to see how he does in Philadelphia ... though I wouldn't mind seeing someone light him up across the middle when he comes here. I probably would have preferred we keep him, but oh well.

TEXANRED
07-14-2006, 01:15 PM
That smells like an opinion with a splash of unadulterated sarcasm with little regard for the situation that he was in.
Sarcasm? NO........not me:spy:

All I am saying is that if you know your O line stinks and you know your QB takes a lot of sacks and you know that your QB will be under pressure on any given pass play, than maybe you should keep your head on a swivel and know your going to have to break your route early and give your QB some help.

Thats all I'm saying.

MorKnolle
07-14-2006, 01:34 PM
I liked Gaff in what I saw of him as a player, but I have it on limited inside word that he was lazy in practice and not a particularly fiery player; a theory which receives some validation in our new staff opting to cut him. Will be interested to see how he does in Philadelphia ... though I wouldn't mind seeing someone light him up across the middle when he comes here. I probably would have preferred we keep him, but oh well.

FYI Gaffney's contract ran out and they just didn't resign him, they didn't really cut him.

thunderkyss
07-14-2006, 01:50 PM
Sarcasm? NO........not me:spy:

All I am saying is that if you know your O line stinks and you know your QB takes a lot of sacks and you know that your QB will be under pressure on any given pass play, than maybe you should keep your head on a swivel and know your going to have to break your route early and give your QB some help.

Thats all I'm saying.


Or just say screw it... as most of the time, your QB will look at one reciever only, then dump it if he isn't sacked yet....... if your number isn't called, why bother......

TEXANRED
07-14-2006, 03:32 PM
Or just say screw it... as most of the time, your QB will look at one receiver only, then dump it if he isn't sacked yet....... if your number isn't called, why bother......
No time to look for a second receiver when you got Victor Riley admiring the tranquil beauty of the community of bugs that live in the turf.

HJam72
07-16-2006, 07:35 PM
No time to look for a second receiver when you got Victor Riley admiring the tranquil beauty of the community of bugs that live in the turf.

The team's got ta have tranquility. :ok:

texan279
07-16-2006, 11:02 PM
from www.kffl.com

Eagles | Gaffney and Lewis to battle at No. 3 WR spot
Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:45:07 -0700

Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports assuming Philadelphia Eagles WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') is healthy and the team's No. 2 wide receiver, WRs Jabar Gaffney and Greg Lewis will battle for the team's No. 3 wide receiver slot in training camp. Gaffney ran from the slot quite often in minicamp and is much bigger than Lewis, who was disappointing last year after moving into the No. 2 role following Pinkston's injury.

thunderkyss
07-17-2006, 07:06 AM
from www.kffl.com

Eagles | Gaffney and Lewis to battle at No. 3 WR spot
Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:45:07 -0700

Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports assuming Philadelphia Eagles WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') is healthy and the team's No. 2 wide receiver, WRs Jabar Gaffney and Greg Lewis will battle for the team's No. 3 wide receiver slot in training camp. Gaffney ran from the slot quite often in minicamp and is much bigger than Lewis, who was disappointing last year after moving into the No. 2 role following Pinkston's injury.


hmm........ the only reason I thought they would try to make him a #1, was because they don't really have a #1..... still don't.

Pinkston(heh), Brown(hmpg), and Gaffney(lol) I've got money, saying none of these guys will lead the eagles in receptions or recieving yards..... and if one of them does, it'll be Gaffney....

TwinSisters
07-17-2006, 07:20 AM
No time to look for a second receiver when you got Victor Riley admiring the tranquil beauty of the community of bugs that live in the turf.

har har. Damn student athletes.

edo783
07-17-2006, 11:37 AM
Gaff will be a fairly good #3 for them, but the #1&2 guys aren't much better IMO.

El Tejano
07-17-2006, 12:29 PM
So this whole time our #2 receiver has really been a #3 on a team with no receivers.

TwinSisters
07-17-2006, 06:33 PM
So this whole time our #2 receiver has really been a #3 on a team with no receivers.

:Tumblewee