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real
07-13-2006, 11:55 AM
Just to start another football thread I decided Id grade every position as a whole and explain why I have given the grade I have...Tell me what you think....

QB: B-
I Believe that D.Carr will perform a lot better this season and will show some signs as to why he was drafted #1 overall. I think we have a capable backup who can come in and at least put drives together.

RB: B+
I don't think we have any super star caliber running backs, and I mostly gave this grade because of the system. DD is a good running back. Nothing More. Nothing Less. Morency, is still young and IMO, unproven. Smith is a solid veteran and Lundy is an unproven rookie.

WR: A
IMO, without a doubt one of the two strongest units on the team. A superstar caliber player in A.J and a former superstar, currently solid veteran in Moulds should make for some exciting football this season. We also have Walters who should be a very productive third reciever...Not to mention Armstrong who could be a third reciever and will probably see just as much time as walters...I don't see Mathis playin much into this equation this upcoming season but should have a bigger role in the future

OL: B
With the Addition of Mike Flannagan we have a solid center piece. With Sherman We have a competent Coach. With Spencer and Winston we have two young talented rookies waiting in the folds. I think our OL will be much improved

TE: B+
No Superstars at the tight end position, but I think with all of them combined we should get Excellent production out of the position.

DL: A-
No doubt the second or first strongest position on the team. With our first overall pick we chose DE Mario Williams and from what i've heard on the boards no one is expecting anything other than beast from him. I think weaver will be a strong fix in the middle and between Babin and Peek should get very strong production from the lucky DE that gets to play opposite of Mario.

LB: C+
Despite the Addition of rookie Demecco Ryans i don't see many playmakers from this bunch.

DB: C-
D-Rob is definitely the leader of this rag-tag bunch. I expect Buchanon to have a much better year if he can redeem his spot and send Petey to the bench. Although I have heard good things about our safeties I remain skeptical on their coverage ability. I think both are decent tacklers but C.C particularly struggled against the pass last season.

Well thats JMO...what do you think ?

blockhead83
07-13-2006, 12:56 PM
Pretty good. I would still rank our OL as a C until they prove otherwise, and seeing as we still don't have a TE that can block and catch I'd bump that down a notch to a B- or C+.

wrestler4life
07-13-2006, 12:58 PM
If you are ranking on the fact that they have not shown anything yet, then both lines should recieve a D, especially the O line.
Carr should recieve a C, wide recievers B-/C, TE a D....

powerfuldragon
07-13-2006, 01:00 PM
IMO, even though i'm a big david carr fan, he shouldn't get any higher than a C. I wouldn't be able to justify a higher grade with his past performance record.
I agree with what blockhead said about the OL. and our RB's are B - B-.

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real
07-13-2006, 01:02 PM
If you are ranking on the fact that they have not shown anything yet, then both lines should recieve a D, especially the O line.
Carr should recieve a C, wide recievers B-/C, TE a D....

I was kinda going off what I think they will be next year...What else would I be grading...last years performance ?.......... no....

real
07-13-2006, 01:04 PM
IMO, even though i'm a big david carr fan, he shouldn't get any higher than a C. I wouldn't be able to justify a higher grade with his past performance record.
I agree with what blockhead said about the OL. and our RB's are B - B-.

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Im surprised you think that about Carr....I am one of his biggest detractors, but I think that in this new system he has a real shot at shinning...

DocBar
07-13-2006, 01:05 PM
I was kinda going off what I think they will be next year...What else would I be grading...last years performance ?.......... no....
ATTA BOY!!!! Grade 'em off of talent, not stats!!(NO I DON"T WANT THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN!!! Just being a smart alec)

real
07-13-2006, 01:08 PM
ATTA BOY!!!! Grade 'em off of talent, not stats!!(NO I DON"T WANT THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN!!! Just being a smart alec)
LMAO....

DocBar
07-13-2006, 01:16 PM
:francis: :bananasplit: :francis: LMAO....

threetoedpete
07-13-2006, 01:21 PM
Can't argue with the rankings. Pretty much spot on. Nice post.

Coach C.
07-13-2006, 02:06 PM
Have to admit while I think your grades are great, from a homer standpoint, they are quite skewed.

QB: C
D. Carr is coming into a new system and has all the talent to become Elwayesque in it, but he has done nothing but prove that he is tough.

RB: B-
DD is hurt and may never be his true self again. No matter though because Morency may be a better runner anyway, if he learns not to dance so much. Antowain Smith is a hometown guy that will provide veteran leadership, but you have to be excited about Chris Taylor and Rhodes. Taylor is a real beast out there and could make a push for active roster, especially on ST.

WR: B+
Two pro-bowl, big targets who do not ***** and moan about getting the ball. Kevin Walter will give you flashes of Ed McCafferey and Armstrong can just flat out catch. Mathis is pure speed and once he learns to be a professional could be a real threat. Past that we are thin, but have some interesting prospects

OL:C
Can't go above a C here. We have moved players to natural positions other than Chester Pitts who should play LT. The addition of Flannagan, Spencer, and Winston has to excite any Texan fan, but until I see them in pads I cannot give them a higher grade, I also think I am being generous the way our Dline was giving it to them in mini camps.

DL: B-
Our line is solid here. Good depth and three tremendous pass rushers. Like I said when we first signed Weaver he is a penetrating DT and he will be a force to handle in there. Payne and Robaire are beast and will usually need to be doubled or will collapse a many a pocket. Our DEs are nice. I am talking speed and power. Will be a long training camp for the OL, but we should be better for it.

LB: C-
We are solid but slightly below average. Ryans and Greenwood are rangy, and Orr will continue to improve at the strongside. Rainer is a beast in the middle and we can only improve when Cowart and Wong are back to full strength.

Secondary: D
It is hard going in the secondary for us this year. If we make any trades or moves I do hope it is for a corner. Hell the Titans are not using Andre Woolfork who has shown he can play, and would be a nice compliment to D-rob. P-Buch is P-Buch and Faggins is working hard, but they are both liabilities. I mean watching our QBs get in trouble and just throw it to their side is disheartening and brings back flashes of last season. Chris McKenzie is a pint sized stud that if he were two inches taller would make a nice tandem, but he is nothing more than a nickel. Our safties are solid and are showing real improvement with every practice.

Overall we are a slightly average to below average team. That is not a bad thing, it means we are right there in the middle of the pack in the NFL. Better than teams like the Titans and Jets, but not to the level of the Bengals and Ravens. Now mind you this is on paper and before training camp starts so things will change a good deal. This was definately a nice start though.

Runner
07-13-2006, 02:11 PM
WR: B+
Two pro-bowl, big targets who do not ***** and moan about getting the ball. Kevin Walter will give you flashes of Ed McCafferey and Armstrong can just flat out catch. Mathis is pure speed and once he learns to be a professional could be a real threat. Past that we are thin, but have some interesting prospects



It's nice to be thin at receiver after listing 4 or 5 names.

jerek
07-13-2006, 02:17 PM
It's nice to be thin at receiver after listing 4 or 5 names.

I noticed that too. Otherwise, a pretty solid review. I would rank our D-line at a B or possibly even a B+ ... but I guess it remains to be seen if they will live up to their billing at this point.

Brandon420tx
07-13-2006, 02:23 PM
We also have our rookie WR Anderson, could be project. Isn't he a big fast receiver who runs tight routes too? If he's not, well then Shanahan Jr. stresses route running anyway and he'll learn.

Scooter
07-13-2006, 02:28 PM
We also have our rookie WR Anderson, could be project. Isn't he a big fast receiver who runs tight routes too? If he's not, well then Shanahan Jr. stresses route running anyway and he'll learn.

david anderson's a smaller guy at 5'9" 194, but was very productive in college and isnt afraid of going over the middle. he doesnt have the tangibles to be a superstar, but he should be a reliable target in the future.

bigbrewster2000
07-13-2006, 03:10 PM
david anderson's a smaller guy at 5'9" 194, but was very productive in college and isnt afraid of going over the middle. he doesnt have the tangibles to be a superstar, but he should be a reliable target in the future.
Practice squad

Coach C.
07-13-2006, 04:45 PM
Runner and Jerek, yeah I thought I should explain the we are thin part. I listed most of the guys that we will see, but flashes by Kevin Walter, Armstrong being able to catch and not make seperation, and loads of untapped talent in Mathis makes us a little thin after our top two guys. You guys were right to point that out should have explained that better. You guys know it is hard to be perfect all the time. But hell we are most of the time right....

Runner
07-13-2006, 04:47 PM
Runner and Jerek, yeah I thought I should explain the we are thin part. I listed most of the guys that we will see, but flashes by Kevin Walter, Armstrong being able to catch and not make seperation, and loads of untapped talent in Mathis makes us a little thin after our top two guys. You guys were right to point that out should have explained that better. You guys know it is hard to be perfect all the time. But hell we are most of the time right....

That's why I said 4 or 5. I was giving half credit each for Armstrong/Mathis.

trane
07-13-2006, 05:51 PM
Just to start another football thread I decided Id grade every position as a whole and explain why I have given the grade I have...Tell me what you think....

QB: B-
I Believe that D.Carr will perform a lot better this season and will show some signs as to why he was drafted #1 overall. I think we have a capable backup who can come in and at least put drives together.

RB: B+
I don't think we have any super star caliber running backs, and I mostly gave this grade because of the system. DD is a good running back. Nothing More. Nothing Less. Morency, is still young and IMO, unproven. Smith is a solid veteran and Lundy is an unproven rookie.

WR: A
IMO, without a doubt one of the two strongest units on the team. A superstar caliber player in A.J and a former superstar, currently solid veteran in Moulds should make for some exciting football this season. We also have Walters who should be a very productive third reciever...Not to mention Armstrong who could be a third reciever and will probably see just as much time as walters...I don't see Mathis playin much into this equation this upcoming season but should have a bigger role in the future

OL: B
With the Addition of Mike Flannagan we have a solid center piece. With Sherman We have a competent Coach. With Spencer and Winston we have two young talented rookies waiting in the folds. I think our OL will be much improved

TE: B+
No Superstars at the tight end position, but I think with all of them combined we should get Excellent production out of the position.

DL: A-
No doubt the second or first strongest position on the team. With our first overall pick we chose DE Mario Williams and from what i've heard on the boards no one is expecting anything other than beast from him. I think weaver will be a strong fix in the middle and between Babin and Peek should get very strong production from the lucky DE that gets to play opposite of Mario.

LB: C+
Despite the Addition of rookie Demecco Ryans i don't see many playmakers from this bunch.

DB: C-
D-Rob is definitely the leader of this rag-tag bunch. I expect Buchanon to have a much better year if he can redeem his spot and send Petey to the bench. Although I have heard good things about our safeties I remain skeptical on their coverage ability. I think both are decent tacklers but C.C particularly struggled against the pass last season.

Well thats JMO...what do you think ?

I would give the O line-C, D line-B, and LB-B. RB could be a C if DD doesn't play. By the way, Special Teams-B+.

jparrish
07-13-2006, 11:19 PM
QB: C+
I think Carr can be much better than this rating this season with the new additions to the team. There have been plenty of times that I've been amazed by his throws, but we still only won 2 games last year. This guy has also got to learn NOT to run out of bounds behind the LOS. That is officially a sack, and our O-line didn't necessarily deserve to be credited with a sack.

RB: B+
DD is a genuine work horse at RB. This guy, when healthy, has carried the offense. He runs well and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Morency definitely has the potential to be a good RB as well, but then again...that's "potential."

WR: A
I definitely think this is the best part of our team. Andre Johnson is an amazing athlete, and is a very physical and fast receiver. Hopefully he can stay healthy this season. I still think pretty highly of Moulds, and having defenses give so much attention to AJ...he should be productive. I don't know much about Walter, but Armstrong is said to have great hands.

OL: C
This should probably be a D, but I'll bump it up because of the new additions. Flannigan is a stud at center. I don't have a clue who else has a set position as a starter on the offense, but I like Spencer and Winston. Spencer is huge and pretty atheletic for his size. Winston would have been a first round pick had he not had the knee injury in college. I think he was a steal in the 3rd round. Then again...they are just rookies.

TE: B-
I agree that we don't have any superstars at the tight end position, but I was a fan of Putzier as a Bronco. It definitely helps that he will be playing in the same offense. I like Owens' ability, and I hope he gets the ball to show the fans that wanted Bing or Simpson that he was worth the draft pick. I'm not too excited about any of our other TE's.

DL: B+
The defensive line definitely excites me. There's nothing I like more than seeing a defensive lineman make a huge play. Williams is a freak, and should be able to make an impact right away. He may not be consistant as a rookie, but we should still see the occasional flash of greatness. I don't know if Payne has a future with the Texans or if those are just rumors going around these message boards, but this guy never quits. I believe Robaire Smith will be more productive at DT than he ever was at DE, and Weaver is definitely encouraging. Peek and Babin were both DE's in college, and this should be a pretty natural switch for them. I like the way our pass rushers look.

LB: C+
Morlon Greenwood should be a more natural fit on the weakside. He played fairly well at that position when he was with the Dolphins. I think Sam Cowart should be our starting middle linebacker. This guy was the MLB for te Jets when their defense had an amazing year. He was also pretty productive for the Vikings. I like how hard Orr plays, and Ryans should get a chance to play as well.

DB: C+
Robinson is amazing at cornerback. I know some of his picks from his rookie season were "gimme's" or lobs from QB's trying to make a play at the end of a game, but this guy is still very good. I think P-buc can be much better than he was last year. I don't know how many of you guys remember, but P-buc is the reason why the Browns didn't steal the game away from us at the last minute. Dilfer threw the ball up, P-buc was beat....then closed on the ball jumped for the ball way to early but still made a play on the ball. I was pretty amazed. I think the safties are decent, but could be better.

TexanSam
07-14-2006, 01:48 AM
Running back I would give a C. Domanick Davis is always hurt. He doesn't miss games (besides last year), but he seems to be nicked up way too much. Antowain Smith is a decent backup, but I don't really like a 30 something year old RB as our backup. Wali Lundy is a 2nd round draft choice and unproven in the NFL. The system worked in Denver, but they also had the right players for it to work. It remains to be seen if the system works here.

HOU-TEX
07-14-2006, 10:17 AM
Running back I would give a C. Domanick Davis is always hurt. He doesn't miss games (besides last year), but he seems to be nicked up way too much. Antowain Smith is a decent backup, but I don't really like a 30 something year old RB as our backup. Wali Lundy is a 2nd round draft choice and unproven in the NFL. The system worked in Denver, but they also had the right players for it to work. It remains to be seen if the system works here.

I don't think he's played through a complete season yet without being hurt. I'm not really counting on him anyways. I'm counting on the whole RB unit to produce. I'd like to see at least 2 RB's with a 1000 yds or close to it.:drool: DD is not durable enough so we need to see the rest of the RBs step up.:redtowel:

powerfuldragon
07-14-2006, 10:45 AM
i'm looking for some good stuff from wali lundy.

Brandon420tx
07-14-2006, 11:23 AM
]']Coaching Staff: B+ (pureply based on moves they have made)
Player: F-

All the players have proven Jack %^&*!

What about players from other teams? Like Moulds for instance... *yea, I know his team was pretty bad too*

Bump it up to a D. :stirpot:

Coach C.
07-14-2006, 11:26 AM
Actually GK we have several players that have proven they can play quite well. We have guys that have been starters for years in the league and performed at the highest of levels. So not sure were you are coming from on that one.

real
07-14-2006, 11:47 AM
...Every player doesn't suck....

Bearfan Blue and Orange
07-14-2006, 12:42 PM
[QUOTE=Coach C.]Have to admit while I think your grades are great, from a homer standpoint, they are quite skewed.

QB: C
D. Carr is coming into a new system and has all the talent to become Elwayesque in it, but he has done nothing but prove that he is tough.

I think the fact that he has been sacked in his early career more times than most QBs are sacked starting in the NFL for 6+years and maby career in some cases.

Not tough? The fact that he gets back up and doesn't point fingers at his OL or RB/FB that miss blocks so he can get decapitated and has been for the most part "injury free" (as a Bear fan, I can tell you about "injury free" and our QB was protected) that is TOUGH in my book.

Most QBs in this day in the NFL would have thrown up their arms and said "SCREW THIS" "TRADE ME", etc. Would have ended splitting a team apart.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
07-14-2006, 12:45 PM
]']Coaching Staff: B+ (pureply based on moves they have made)
Player: F-

All the players have proven Jack %^&*!

You have never played football have you? or organized sports?

This is going to sound bad, but players can also say that about some Fair Weather fans.

Kaiser Toro
07-15-2006, 12:05 PM
Carr gets an incomplete in my opinion. Hopefully he will graduate in 2008 with honors. At that point he will be the senior with the most senior pictures.

If Carr can cut down on his mistakes (self sacks), errant passes and interceptions and every once in a while throw downfield we should do pretty well.

Upside can come in different forms or fashion and I think we can get more out of him by Kubiak tuning his game rather than expect a big stat year from Carr.

If things fall right this year, in 2007 it will be noticeably Carr's team in my opinion.

Coach C.
07-15-2006, 12:26 PM
KT I just want to wet your whistle a little about Carr. I am gonna take you to practice real quick. 11 on 11 drills and Carr is under center. After Sherman and Kubiak get into him for throwing the ball high and late on a completion to Armstrong he comes back strong. He has a pissed look in his eye and scours at the defense. Three wideout set, Putz in motion right, the ball is hiked. Playaction is yelled by Wali Rainer Peek goes by Salaam and Carr is scrambling, he looks down field and with a flick of his wrist he bombs the rock. Perfect spiral 55yrds downfield in the air and Moulds has to dive into the endzone for the grab. You hear ohhs and ahhs from the team, Kubiak looks at Sherman and they share a we got something here glance. McClain is talking to some hot reporter chick, while pregnant Meagan Manwhatever is on the phone but I digress. The play was awesome. Get ready for some football KT, Get ready for some football....

Kaiser Toro
07-15-2006, 12:49 PM
KT I just want to wet your whistle a little about Carr. I am gonna take you to practice real quick. 11 on 11 drills and Carr is under center. After Sherman and Kubiak get into him for throwing the ball high and late on a completion to Armstrong he comes back strong. He has a pissed look in his eye and scours at the defense. Three wideout set, Putz in motion right, the ball is hiked. Playaction is yelled by Wali Rainer Peek goes by Salaam and Carr is scrambling, he looks down field and with a flick of his wrist he bombs the rock. Perfect spiral 55yrds downfield in the air and Moulds has to dive into the endzone for the grab. You hear ohhs and ahhs from the team, Kubiak looks at Sherman and they share a we got something here glance. McClain is talking to some hot reporter chick, while pregnant Meagan Manwhatever is on the phone but I digress. The play was awesome. Get ready for some football KT, Get ready for some football....

I hope he brings it brutha. But expectations have been way to high for the last four years and are starting to gain momentum again. Optimism is great, but can set unreasonable expectations.

Speaking of ready, I am and have actually taken it to the extreme to the detriment of family and friends. I have cancelled my trip to the Bahamas for my college teammates wedding and told my wife I would not be going to her cousin's wedding on Saturday August 12th. I have to see it go down with my own eyes.

I saw my first Mario jersey yesterday at work. Kudos to the DJ Joey as he was a Bush supporter and wore the #90 well. :mario:

Insideop
07-15-2006, 01:21 PM
McClain is talking to some hot reporter chick, while pregnant Meagan Manwhatever is on the phone but I digress.

LOL!!!lol:

real
07-16-2006, 12:04 PM
KT I just want to wet your whistle a little about Carr. I am gonna take you to practice real quick. 11 on 11 drills and Carr is under center. After Sherman and Kubiak get into him for throwing the ball high and late on a completion to Armstrong he comes back strong. He has a pissed look in his eye and scours at the defense. Three wideout set, Putz in motion right, the ball is hiked. Playaction is yelled by Wali Rainer Peek goes by Salaam and Carr is scrambling, he looks down field and with a flick of his wrist he bombs the rock. Perfect spiral 55yrds downfield in the air and Moulds has to dive into the endzone for the grab. You hear ohhs and ahhs from the team, Kubiak looks at Sherman and they share a we got something here glance. McClain is talking to some hot reporter chick, while pregnant Meagan Manwhatever is on the phone but I digress. The play was awesome. Get ready for some football KT, Get ready for some football....

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