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johndoe
07-11-2006, 09:19 PM
greenwood-ryans-orr


what do yall think about this.lets talk some more about who we think is going to start.

carter08
07-11-2006, 09:29 PM
i'm hearing that DeMeco won't start

NoBullTexan
07-11-2006, 09:34 PM
I would very surprised, and angry, if DeMeco doesn't start at either WLB, or MLB, right away. We still have one or two LBs to go before we can say we are on par with our AFC south brethren.

johndoe
07-11-2006, 09:35 PM
hes more of an outside backer. it will probably be rainer at mike.im hoping ryans will start in the middle because if he plays sam it will bench the texans single season sack-leader

Grid
07-11-2006, 09:38 PM
id like to see..

Ryans - Polk - Orr

or

Orr - Polk - Anderson

but we will see what happens. I personally dont see Greenwood as a sure-fire starter...not by any stretch.

johndoe
07-11-2006, 09:39 PM
hes best fitted on the weakside but greenwood is a lock. i think with
greenwood-ryans-orr we have a good group to play behind :fireball: :fireball: '

Grid
07-11-2006, 09:40 PM
Why is Greenwood a lock? Ive seen nothing impressive from him.

johndoe
07-11-2006, 09:42 PM
greenwood consistently had over takles when he played with miami.i like polk but id rather see ryans in the middle even though hes kinda small for mike backer right now

johndoe
07-11-2006, 09:44 PM
my bad i meant 100 tackles and he has more experiance than the others

Grid
07-11-2006, 09:46 PM
His tackles really dont mean anything. He makes no big plays.. his tackles are RARELY for a loss. A linebacker that makes 100 tackles 5 yards outside the line of scrimmage is not helping very much.

Greenwood has fine athletic ability..but apparently poor instincts, or something. He may end up as a starter but I wouldnt put my money on it.

johndoe
07-11-2006, 09:47 PM
true. but i still think hes better than the others we have

Grid
07-11-2006, 09:49 PM
more experienced... and "safer".. but I like the potential of Polk, Anderson, and Orr. Ill take "potentially good" over "definatly average" any day.

infantrycak
07-11-2006, 10:22 PM
hes best fitted on the weakside but greenwood is a lock. i think with
greenwood-ryans-orr we have a good group to play behind :fireball: :fireball: '

Greenwood may or may not be a lock, but as Lucky pointed out elsewhere, while Morlon had most recently started at WLB before coming to the Texans, his 1st 3.5 seasons in Miami were at SLB. I frankly can't say I watched him much there and see him more on the weakside, but those were some pretty good D's with him on the strong side. JMO but the odds of neither Greenwood or Ryans starting is nil. Best guess:

SLB--Orr
MLB--Ryans (if Cowart is 100% healthy in training camp he probably starts the season)
WLB--Greenwood

Hopefully we get some good eye witness accounts from training camp because this seems very up in the air.

As for size--Ryans is plenty big to play in the middle as demonstrated by the success of Thurman, Tatupu and Vilma recently plus guys like Shelton Quarles, Gary Brackett, Zach Thomas, Mike Peterson, etc.--none of whom are bigger than Ryans.

TexansSeminole
07-11-2006, 10:27 PM
Starting lineup for when? Training Camp?

If so, I am going to have to go with Greenwood at WLB, Rainer at MLB, and Orr at SLB.

For the start of the Season?

Greenwood at WLB, Cowart at MLB, Orr at SLB

After a few games i can see any one of these guys being replaced, but i think Ryans will break the starting lineup first and it will either be at MLB or SLB.

MorKnolle
07-11-2006, 11:46 PM
id like to see..

Ryans - Polk - Orr

or

Orr - Polk - Anderson

but we will see what happens. I personally dont see Greenwood as a sure-fire starter...not by any stretch.

Polk won't start, I doubt he even makes the team.

It will likely be Greenwood at WLB, Cowart at MLB, and Orr at SLB. Ryans will see some action at both MLB and WLB and will see significant action on nickel formations. Greenwood is also rumored to be on the trading block for a RB like Michael Bennett (don't remember where I read that the other day, I'll see if I can find it again), so if he ends up being traded for a RB or hopefully a better CB then Ryans will likely be the starting WLB. Rainer should also see a lot of time at MLB if necessary, he's had most of the 1st team reps in practices thusfar.

Hutch13
07-12-2006, 12:47 AM
A little bit too early to make predictions but if the NFL regular season games were supposed to start this Sunday i would have to go Greenwoods-Ryans-Orr but i think any predictions arent to crazy since we havent even played a preseason game or had training camp yet.

TexansFan4EvR
07-12-2006, 01:23 AM
I just found a few things on the foxsports that kinda intrigued me.

Morlon Greenwood has moved to outside linebacker and is trying to hold off second-round rookie DeMeco Ryans for the starting job. Shantee Orr is starting on the other side.

Ryans has really impressed the coaches with his intelligence and athletic ability. He has grasped the system so quickly that they started moving him to middle linebacker, where he also showed he has the potential to be an impact player.

looks like ryans could be starting so that would make our line backer situation be ryans, cowart, orr not to bad. Oh and Orr will START!!!:stirpot:

GO TEXANS!!

Sco-tai
07-12-2006, 01:28 AM
Orr....I mean....I just REALLY like the guy.

I could be mistaken, but I think there was even a point when Capers n' Co. had either dropped him outright...or relegated him to the practice squad.

But either way, EVERY time I saw him on the field, he was in the middle of the mix making a play. I REALLY like his potential to not only start, but be one of those linebackers that offensives has to account for.

My XBOX is getting tired of me creating Mario Williams and Ryans. Could the season start now...PLEASE!??!?!:fireball:

Hutch13
07-12-2006, 01:34 AM
Can you send the link i would like to read about it, Thank You.

texan279
07-12-2006, 01:37 AM
I know we are all excited about Ryans, but I don't think he will be starting the first game, he might earn the starting job about midway into the season, probably just depends on the health of the other LB's IMO. Who knows maybe I am wrong. :shoot:

TexansFan4EvR
07-12-2006, 01:41 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67071&type=InsideSlant

Yea sorry about that i ment to put it in there just forgot ... here u go!

LORK 88
07-12-2006, 02:00 AM
As long as Ryans is on the field making plays, ill be happy.

johndoe
07-12-2006, 02:08 AM
texans fan, could u copy and paste it for me. for some reason i cant open it

Corrosion
07-12-2006, 04:00 AM
They didnt draft him w/ a #2 to sit on the bench .... I think they expect him to play this season , wether they expect him to start or grasp the system so easily is something else alltogether.

I think he was possibly THE STEAL of the draft .... With Eric Winston not far behind . Many thought both were first round material .

TexanFan881
07-12-2006, 06:17 AM
They didnt draft him w/ a #2 to sit on the bench .... I think they expect him to play this season , wether they expect him to start or grasp the system so easily is something else alltogether.

We didn't draft Travis Johnson with a #1 last year to sit on the bench...and that didn't work out too well but hopefully this will work out a lot better.

bigbrewster2000
07-12-2006, 07:01 AM
We didn't draft Travis Johnson with a #1 last year to sit on the bench...and that didn't work out too well but hopefully this will work out a lot better.
Actually they had no intention of starting TJ last year and that shows again how inept our coaching staff and GM were, or maybe not if TJ can't get his Fat rear in gear.

thunderkyss
07-12-2006, 07:04 AM
His tackles really dont mean anything. He makes no big plays.. his tackles are RARELY for a loss. A linebacker that makes 100 tackles 5 yards outside the line of scrimmage is not helping very much.

Greenwood has fine athletic ability..but apparently poor instincts, or something. He may end up as a starter but I wouldnt put my money on it.


Kinda makes him a safety..........

infantrycak
07-12-2006, 07:41 AM
I know we are all excited about Ryans, but I don't think he will be starting the first game, he might earn the starting job about midway into the season, probably just depends on the health of the other LB's IMO. Who knows maybe I am wrong. :shoot:

The top guys for defensive rookie of the year and rookie of the year have frequently (last year 4 of 5 nominees were LB's) been LB's the last few years and rookie LB's have been starting from day 1 such as Vilma, Thurman, Tatupu, D. J. Williams, Derrick Johnson, Teddy Lehman, Nick Barnett, etc. --why do you expect Ryans to have a harder time breaking into the starting lineup?

Runner
07-12-2006, 08:13 AM
The top guys for defensive rookie of the year and rookie of the year have frequently (last year 4 of 5 nominees were LB's) been LB's the last few years and rookie LB's have been starting from day 1 such as Vilma, Thurman, Tatupu, D. J. Williams, Derrick Johnson, Teddy Lehman, Nick Barnett, etc. --why do you expect Ryans to have a harder time breaking into the starting lineup?

I expect Ryans to make a strong push to start. It seems to me that it is much easier for a rookie to start on defense rather than offense. I haven't done the research to back it up, but I think rookie LBs are more successful than say rookie o-lineman.

Texans Horror
07-12-2006, 09:59 AM
I am basing my opinion on popular (media) thought, so take it FWIW. I have heard many times over that this was a particularly "deep" draft, and that a lot of the second-rounders were first-round material. With that in mind, I could see Demeco starting. However, there are many other factors to be considered besides draft position, such as how well he is learning the system. I imagine that the LB coach has him in the pool of possibilities, but is probably far from making up his mind.

AFD1717
07-12-2006, 10:04 AM
Orr had a great year last year, but I always thought of him as a pass rush specialist. Isn't being one dimensional the reason he wasn't drafted (or drafted very late - I don't remember which)?

First and Second down:

W - Greenwood, M - Cowart, S - Ryans

Third down:

W - Orr, M - Ryans, S - Greenwood

johndoe
07-12-2006, 11:17 AM
between greenwood asnd ryans at weakside linebacker who would u want?

betwean polk, rainer,cowart and ryans who do yall want in the middle

Corrosion
07-12-2006, 11:18 AM
We didn't draft Travis Johnson with a #1 last year to sit on the bench...and that didn't work out too well but hopefully this will work out a lot better.


TJ was a reach .... There were two better defensive players on the board when they traded that pick , Derrick Johnson being one of them . :stirpot:

bigbrewster2000
07-12-2006, 11:21 AM
Orr had a great year last year, but I always thought of him as a pass rush specialist. Isn't being one dimensional the reason he wasn't drafted (or drafted very late - I don't remember which)?

First and Second down:

W - Greenwood, M - Cowart, S - Ryans

Third down:

W - Orr, M - Ryans, S - Greenwood
Ryans projects better at WLB, I could see him there more than SLB, besides Greenwood hasn't done much for us. I am not high on him at all and don't really care if he isn't playing.

johndoe
07-12-2006, 11:23 AM
from the article texanfan gave us it looks like orr is a lock at the sam backer

South Texan
07-12-2006, 11:36 AM
Let's not forget Wong, if he can get back into form, as MLB. With a better d-line and coaching he has the potential to be a good run stuffer, blizter, etc. and his 8+ years experience is a big asset.

Plus, I would like to see the opponents suddenly getting stopped by a 2 - 14 defense, scratching their heads, and saying "What went Wong???"

Number19
07-12-2006, 06:42 PM
I read one small blurb - in Lindy's - that the catching staff has been impressed with Charlie Anderson.

I doubt that he starts, but he may see increased playing time at the SAM position. It would be nice to see him come on like blockbusters, once the pads are on, and take the position away from Orr, by the end of camp. Orr is outstanding as a pass rusher, but I get the sense that he is weak in other LB skills, particularely pass defense.