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CloakNNNdagger
07-11-2006, 08:31 PM
Here's a name that hasn't surfaced for a while. If he does get back for TC (big if, even though he "hopes" to return then) or for that matter at all, what position will he fill? Wong could be big positive in the locker room, but all of this is mute if he cannot come back and come back strong.:


Wong will try to come back from knee injury

10:21 AM PDT on Tuesday, July 11, 2006
By kgw.com and AP Staff

EUGENE, Ore. -- Eugene native Kailee Wong has had a long, productive career in the NFL.
The former North Eugene High school star has played defense for the Minnesota Vikings and the Houston Texans.
But last season against Seattle, Wong seriously injured his knee. Now, he's trying to come back from the injury, after eight months and two surgeries.
He told the Eugene Register-Guard that he hopes to return for active duty when the NFL training camps begin later this month.
But Houston has a new coaching staff, and there are no guarantees for Wong.
Wong has 639 career tackles, six interceptions and 21 passes defended in his NFL career.

Kaiser Toro
07-11-2006, 08:36 PM
I thought he would be a June 1st casualty and since he made that date I strongly feel we will keep him.

aj.
07-11-2006, 08:37 PM
You should know more than anyone about his prognosis. A patella tendon tear and repair in mid-October '05 followed by several weeks of immobilization and then the ACL repair in January, which typically is 9 months minimum to recover if you're superman....

Hope is the operative word here. I like Kailee but I don't hold out too much of it for him, at least in the early part of the season if they decide they want to carry his cap number at all.

TexansSeminole
07-11-2006, 08:42 PM
I didnt realize the severity of the injury until recently. I think we will definantely keep him, when he's in shape is a smart player.

Texans_Chick
07-11-2006, 08:43 PM
You should know more than anyone about his prognosis. A patella tendon tear and repair in mid-October '05 followed by several weeks of immobilization and then the ACL repair in January, which typically is 9 months minimum to recover if you're superman....

Hope is the operative word here. I like Kailee but I don't hold out too much of it for him, at least in the early part of the season if they decide they want to carry his cap number at all.


I think this is fair. Stuff I have heard is that he is still limping a little but is muscled up pretty good. (What happens when you have time to lift but can't do a lot of cardio). He is well liked in the locker room and gets along with a lot of different groups of players.

infantrycak
07-11-2006, 08:44 PM
Hope is the operative word here. I like Kailee but I don't hold out too much of it for him, at least in the early part of the season if they decide they want to carry his cap number at all.

Isn't Wong more expensive cap wise to cut this year than to keep?--about $3.1 mil to keep for the year and $4+ to cut?

aj.
07-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Isn't Wong more expensive cap wise to cut this year than to keep?--about $3.1 mil to keep for the year and $4+ to cut?

They can split it over two years.

Stuff I have heard is that he is still limping a little but is muscled up pretty good.

Haven't seen the limp. I've seen a wrap and some llight jogging like nothing was wrong. But it's those multi-directional plants and cuts that are the beech.

Kaiser Toro
07-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Isn't Wong more expensive cap wise to cut this year than to keep?--about $3.1 mil to keep for the year and $4+ to cut?

This is my understanding. But I cannot recall how the bonus was pushed out in 2008 and 2009.

TexansSeminole
07-11-2006, 08:52 PM
It's those multi-directional plants and cuts that are the beech.

Ya, especially at Linebacker.

Also, just hitting people, be it blockers or running backs, takes alot out on the knee. Considering you are supposed to drive through the people you tackle.

aj.
07-11-2006, 08:54 PM
This is my understanding. But I cannot recall how the bonus was pushed out in 2008 and 2009.

It counts 4 more years at $1.2 per.

They can take his $3 point whatever roster hit this year or cut him and take about a $2.4 dead hit this year and another $2.4 next year.

nunusguy
07-11-2006, 09:13 PM
He is well liked in the locker room and gets along with a lot of different groups of players.
Interesting lanquage there TC. When you say "different groups of players",
I dunno....but somehow I don't think you mean groups of players like by position (WRs,OLs,TEs, etc.) or a group of starters vs a group of reserves.

NoBullTexan
07-11-2006, 10:03 PM
I think Kailee goes on IR for the year. Next year? Who knows.

TwinSisters
07-11-2006, 10:16 PM
He is well liked in the locker room and gets along with a lot of different groups of players.

Player/Coach

MorKnolle
07-11-2006, 11:45 PM
I thought he would be a June 1st casualty and since he made that date I strongly feel we will keep him.

I think he'll stay, but either way since he has been injured I don't think they can release him. Anyone have a better understanding of the rules on cutting injured players?

South Texan
07-12-2006, 12:01 AM
I can't claim to be very knowledgable about IR either. If Wong is put on IR, what are the rules to return to the active roster?

Even if he can't play the 1'st half of the season, I would really like to see him on the sidelines next to DeMeco and some of the other rookies offering advice. IMHO he has always seemed like a smart and classy guy, I think he does have a lot of value for other reasons than smacking people around on the field.

WILLIEG
07-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Quick question? Is D. Ryans 6 "3" 236 like it states on the roster or is he more like 6 "1" 236 like it said on his Combine measurements?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
07-12-2006, 12:26 AM
Most likely the PUP list for Wong.

infantrycak
07-12-2006, 12:54 AM
I think he'll stay, but either way since he has been injured I don't think they can release him. Anyone have a better understanding of the rules on cutting injured players?

A player can be placed on the waiver/injury list. If a team picks him off waivers they have him and the original team is carries its normal cap ramifications for a waiver. If the player is not claimed, the team and the player have 5 days to reach an injury settlement (not sure how this affects the cap). If no settlement is reached the player goes on the original team's injured reserve list and misses the entire season (there is no return from the IR list as opposed to the PUP list). That's the best I can recall.

DeMeco is 6'1"--the Texans have a typo.

Corrosion
07-12-2006, 03:50 AM
Most likely the PUP list for Wong.

I think this is Highly Likely .... But if Wong is to play for this team again , its probably as a MLB . His best seasons in Minnesota were at that position .:twocents:

real
07-12-2006, 09:40 AM
I don't think that he will have the agility or quickness he would need to play outside linebacker...I think he will definitely be playing middle...And i think he will definitely be back this season...This is 2006...almost 2007....Medical technology has come so far and now days players bounce back from injury almost to there full form...Look at McGahee and how vicious his injury was...or even look at alstott with his neck injury...a few years ago, injuries that severe would have ended players careers...

AFD1717
07-12-2006, 10:10 AM
I think this is Highly Likely .... But if Wong is to play for this team again , its probably as a MLB . His best seasons in Minnesota were at that position .:twocents:
MLB is a possibility, I'm just worried he won't have the lower body strength you need to play in the middle after this injury.

real
07-12-2006, 11:37 AM
MLB is a possibility, I'm just worried he won't have the lower body strength you need to play in the middle after this injury.

I don't really think that is much of a concern... I think playing middle would be easier because on if he played the outside he would have to work more in space...and it would probably be harder for him to make plays at the outside position...

U4ikrob
07-12-2006, 01:06 PM
On Wong: IMO he's a great character guy in the locker room and a solid veteran LB on the field. My hunch is this year he's put on PuP-IR and shelved till next year when they dump Morlon Greenwood and any other LB's who dont pan out this year. My hunch is since it looks to be a contract year next year for Wong he would have a chance of getting healthy/fully rehabing this year and probably making the squad as good veteran depth while teaching DeMeco next year.

Quick question? Is D. Ryans 6 "3" 236 like it states on the roster or is he more like 6 "1" 236 like it said on his Combine measurements?

Going by his website he says he's 6'2 - 236
http://www.demecoryans.net/dr/content/view/13/27/

IMO he kind of splits the difference. Most places ive seen have him at 6'1-1/4 to 6'2 flatfooted. Meaning he's 6'3 with shoes on.

Whats funny is his info is all over the place and different.

Rivals- recruited height is stated as 6'2 - 212
http://alabama.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=4765

Then you have CBS - 6'1 - 229
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/420098/rss

One Espn college page says 6'2 - 232
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/gamelog?playerId=136377

Yet another ESPN page says 6'1-1/4 - 236
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=9307&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfl draft%2Fdraft%2Ftracker%2Fplayer%3Fid%3D9307

Draft Countdown - 6'1-1/4 - 236
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/demecoryans.html


etc etc...

My consensus is he's around 6'2 and is 6'3 with cleates on.

johndoe
07-12-2006, 01:19 PM
if he was healthy ide say hes our starting middle backer

infantrycak
07-12-2006, 01:33 PM
My hunch is since it looks to be a contract year next year for Wong he would have a chance of getting healthy/fully rehabing this year and probably making the squad as good veteran depth while teaching DeMeco next year.

Wong is signed thru 2009.

U4ikrob
07-12-2006, 01:44 PM
Wong is signed thru 2009.

Bah - not so good on the caps & contracts info - Thanks CaK. I was kinda hoping it wasnt 2 more years.

So do you know if he's an RFA next year and a UFA in 09 or is he an RFA in 09?

infantrycak
07-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Bah - not so good on the caps & contracts info - Thanks CaK. I was kinda hoping it wasnt 2 more years.

So do you know if he's an RFA next year and a UFA in 09 or is he an RFA in 09?

It is actually in place for 4 more seasons--2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009--last year he signed a new 5 year deal.

Wong is far past any possibility of RFA status. RFA only applies to players who become FA's with less than 4 accrued seasons in the NFL. So when you sign a 5th round draft pick to a 3 year deal, at the end he becomes an RFA rather than a UFA. DeMeco for instance signed a 4 year deal--he will never be a RFA and will go straight to UFA status since he should have four accrued seasons.

U4ikrob
07-12-2006, 01:59 PM
It is actually in place for 4 more seasons--2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009--last year he signed a new 5 year deal.

Wong is far past any possibility of RFA status. RFA only applies to players who become FA's with less than 4 accrued seasons in the NFL. So when you sign a 5th round draft pick to a 3 year deal, at the end he becomes an RFA rather than a UFA. DeMeco for instance signed a 4 year deal--he will never be a RFA and will go straight to UFA status since he should have four accrued seasons.

Ahh that makes a bit more sense now why some were saying they might dump him because of his contract. But then again, they kept Joppru on the roster 3 years without playing a down too...

Runner
07-12-2006, 02:26 PM
Ahh that makes a bit more sense now why some were saying they might dump him because of his contract. But then again, they kept Joppru on the roster 3 years without playing a down too...

Joppru was relatively cheap since the signing bonus was spent money even if they cut him.

Brandon420tx
07-12-2006, 02:51 PM
On Wong: IMO he's a great character guy in the locker room and a solid veteran LB on the field. My hunch is this year he's put on PuP-IR and shelved till next year when they dump Morlon Greenwood and any other LB's who dont pan out this year. My hunch is since it looks to be a contract year next year for Wong he would have a chance of getting healthy/fully rehabing this year and probably making the squad as good veteran depth while teaching DeMeco next year.

I agree, I would rather have Wong sitting this season out so he can come back 100% for us next year. This could also give him time to master the defense, and he could participate in some of the padless practices. Then next year we'll have Ryans with a year of NFL experiance under his belt and Wong in full form, if you remember in 2004 Wong had a really great year for the Texans.

aj.
07-12-2006, 05:48 PM
DeMeco for instance signed a 4 year deal--he will never be a RFA and will go straight to UFA status since he should have four accrued seasons.

And that was a change in the new CBA. No contracts over four years for second rounders and beyond - so they can't get locked in to crap deals when they would otherwise have qualified for UFA.

Number19
07-12-2006, 06:28 PM
Quick question? Is D. Ryans 6 "3" 236 like it states on the roster or is he more like 6 "1" 236 like it said on his Combine measurements?The most recent and the most accurate (you can take it to the bank) measurement is the one from the combine, taken barefoot.

real
07-13-2006, 08:06 AM
I agree, I would rather have Wong sitting this season out so he can come back 100% for us next year. This could also give him time to master the defense, and he could participate in some of the padless practices. Then next year we'll have Ryans with a year of NFL experiance under his belt and Wong in full form, if you remember in 2004 Wong had a really great year for the Texans.

I don't think it is too realistic to expect a guy to sit out a year and come back a beast....I think if Wong wants a spot on this team he definitely needs to try and get some playing time this year...he's already missed almost a whole season....I think if he tries to sit another one out he will become somewhat of a forgotten man...:twocents:

U4ikrob
07-13-2006, 08:57 AM
I don't think it is too realistic to expect a guy to sit out a year and come back a beast....I think if Wong wants a spot on this team he definitely needs to try and get some playing time this year...he's already missed almost a whole season....I think if he tries to sit another one out he will become somewhat of a forgotten man...:twocents:

Not really a whole season out - Kailee got injured in game 5 of last year and had to have 2 major surgeries to get things back to semi-normal. It takes a bit of time to recover from that kind of stuff and its not like he had an injury bug history to contend with before then. I hope the staff gives him the time to try and make it back. It's just a shame if he ends up getting cut because of biz and the injury thing as we can certainly use and benefit from having a good veteran LB on our squad atm. It's not like Cowart or anyone other than D-Wreck has sttod out at the Camps this off-season at LB. IMO Kailee would bring experience to the 4-3 MLB position for us and could help Ryans develop his game.

real
07-13-2006, 09:16 AM
Not really a whole season out - Kailee got injured in game 5 of last year and had to have 2 major surgeries to get things back to semi-normal. It takes a bit of time to recover from that kind of stuff and its not like he had an injury bug history to contend with before then. I hope the staff gives him the time to try and make it back. It's just a shame if he ends up getting cut because of biz and the injury thing as we can certainly use and benefit from having a good veteran LB on our squad atm. It's not like Cowart or anyone other than D-Wreck has sttod out at the Camps this off-season at LB. IMO Kailee would bring experience to the 4-3 MLB position for us and could help Ryans develop his game.

Thats all true....BUT the team is moving so fast toward the future and there have been so many changes, and IMO, if Kailee wants any part of it he better be on the scene...He can't afford to sit out another season...That will basically be two seasons.....thats toooooo looooooong....He will become mr. Irrelavant if he has to sit out for too long...The Texans are rebuilding, trying to get fresh meat in....They are not going to wait on Kailee...If anything we would draft another LB in next years draft...IMO, He will be back this year...If not don't look for him to be apart of the Texans future...

Brandon420tx
07-13-2006, 01:33 PM
Thats all true....BUT the team is moving so fast toward the future and there have been so many changes, and IMO, if Kailee wants any part of it he better be on the scene...He can't afford to sit out another season...That will basically be two seasons.....thats toooooo looooooong....He will become mr. Irrelavant if he has to sit out for too long...The Texans are rebuilding, trying to get fresh meat in....They are not going to wait on Kailee...If anything we would draft another LB in next years draft...IMO, He will be back this year...If not don't look for him to be apart of the Texans future...

I want to see him practicing, but not straining his injury. If he can come in late in the season thats great, but if he re-habs longer, I'll be ok with it, even if other fans are not.