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TexansSeminole
07-05-2006, 06:12 PM
So, we're in July, Training Camp is coming up.

Who do you think had the best draft class this year?

Maddict5
07-05-2006, 07:58 PM
apart from our own- which would be top 3...i like arizonas, pats eventhough i can only remember maroney and jackson, sf

thetexanator
07-05-2006, 08:42 PM
philly

Huge
07-05-2006, 08:47 PM
'They' say it usually takes 3 to 4 years to really judge a team's draft class. Now it's 3 to 4 months?

TexansSeminole
07-05-2006, 09:03 PM
'They' say it usually takes 3 to 4 years to really judge a team's draft class. Now it's 3 to 4 months?

Well you can give an opinion as of now.

Wolf
07-05-2006, 09:40 PM
'They' say it usually takes 3 to 4 years to really judge a team's draft class. Now it's 3 to 4 months?


Huge Huge Huge...we are not working in dog years on this messageboard here :heh: :D

SF49erFaithful
07-05-2006, 09:59 PM
Top 5 drafts IMO (In no particular order)
49ers
Eagles
Texans
Packers
Cardinals
who do you guys think had the worst draft? I think Chicago's wasn't very good along with the Bills.

MorKnolle
07-05-2006, 11:13 PM
I would say the Cardinals probably had the best draft, at least how things look right now. The Texans are a close 2nd then 3rd would probably be the Packers. I think the Browns, Rams, and Ravens also had quite solid drafts top to bottom. Many other teams had a couple solid picks at the top of the draft (anyone picked in the top 2 rounds should be a solid player) but didn't impress me much with their mid-late round picks.

Hutch13
07-05-2006, 11:33 PM
Pats,Texans,Cardinals,Eagles in no paticular order

awtysst
07-05-2006, 11:33 PM
I might get blasted but it wouldnt be the first time.

I think the J-E-T-S had a great draft. They picked up DBrick, Mangold, plus a QB of the future in the second round.

I also think The Flaming Thumtacks did great. They picked up Vince Young and what some people considered to be a potentially better Pro USC RB then reggie. Even if you don't like them, you have to admit they did very well.

I also think the Niners, Cardinals, and Texans(especially with DeMeco!) had very good drafts.

YoungTexanFan
07-06-2006, 12:48 AM
The Bills easily had the worst draft at this point. Pitts draft pick isn't looking too great either though right now.

threetoedpete
07-06-2006, 01:30 AM
I might get blasted but it wouldnt be the first time.

I think the J-E-T-S had a great draft. They picked up DBrick, Mangold, plus a QB of the future in the second round.

I also think The Flaming Thumtacks did great. They picked up Vince Young and what some people considered to be a potentially better Pro USC RB then reggie. Even if you don't like them, you have to admit they did very well.

I also think the Niners, Cardinals, and Texans(especially with DeMeco!) had very good drafts.

Agreed: Always a brick fan. If the reports are true made a move for tinkerbell butt, and got the best LT prospect off the board in a very long time instead. Followed up with the highest rated center in a while. They are set up to cherry pick the RBs next draft. That line should be barreling by '07. All of mine are already posted, no sence in repeating...Liked what Dallas did also. Picking up Rod Wight in the seveneth was very shrewd of Sabin. IR the guy this season. End up with second round tallent for a seventh round pick in '07. Pretty dang smart.

Huge
07-06-2006, 10:02 AM
Well you can give an opinion as of now.
Fair enough...

Dallas had the best draft...and it's not even close.

1st Round - Bobby Carpenter - Will become the next Chris Spielman.
2nd Round - Anthony Fasano - Mark Bavarro clone...only better.
3rd Round - Jason Hatcher - Leon Lett...without the drug problems.
4th Round - Skylar Green - Dante Hall wishes he could be as good returning kicks.
5th Round - Pat Watkins - Merton Hanks...on steroids.
6th Round - Montavious Stanley - Best DT in the draft because his first name is so long.
7th Round - Pat McQuistion - He's Irish...that's got to account for something good.
7th Round - EJ Whitley - He did a lot of pass protecting at Tech...that'll help us a ton.

Crazy am I? Prove to me those player won't/will bust.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-06-2006, 10:12 AM
The Titans .... and if you disagree then you didn't watch college sports last year

LenDale: 1300 yards, 24 TDs (most in NCAA)
Vince: 6th best winning percentage in NCAA history (.938)
Can't argue with that..................

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-06-2006, 10:14 AM
Fair enough...

Dallas had the best draft...and it's not even close.

1st Round - Bobby Carpenter - Will become the next Chris Spielman.
2nd Round - Anthony Fasano - Mark Bavarro clone...only better.
3rd Round - Jason Hatcher - Leon Lett...without the drug problems.
4th Round - Skylar Green - Dante Hall wishes he could be as good returning kicks.
5th Round - Pat Watkins - Merton Hanks...on steroids.
6th Round - Montavious Stanley - Best DT in the draft because his first name is so long.
7th Round - Pat McQuistion - He's Irish...that's got to account for something good.
7th Round - EJ Whitley - He did a lot of pass protecting at Tech...that'll help us a ton.

Crazy am I? Prove to me those player won't/will bust.

Skyler Green is amazing. I went to LSU and got to see him in person. The guy always makes atleast two people miss when returning kicks. He's also a good receiver. I can see him becoming a Steve Smith type.

TheOgre
07-06-2006, 10:53 AM
The Titans .... and if you disagree then you didn't watch college sports last year

LenDale: 1300 yards, 24 TDs (most in NCAA)
Vince: 6th most passing yards in NCAA history

Can't argue with that..................

I view the Titans draft as a boom or bust. They could have the best draft based on potential, or one of the worst. Can Young adapt well the the NFL game? Can he learn a Norm Chow offense? Is White's health going to be a factor short-term or long-term? They definitely swung for the fences with these two selections.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-06-2006, 12:01 PM
I view the Titans draft as a boom or bust. They could have the best draft based on potential, or one of the worst. Can Young adapt well the the NFL game? Can he learn a Norm Chow offense? Is White's health going to be a factor short-term or long-term? They definitely swung for the fences with these two selections.

I agree, but if you think about it the only real way you can judge a draft is by how the player played in college. And if you go by that, we had the best draft of any team. It's when people start to factor in "well maybe they won't work out" ... ANY player can not adapt to the NFL well. Mario Williams could be the next Courtney Brown ... who knows? That's why you've got to go on what they did in college.

TexansSeminole
07-06-2006, 12:19 PM
I've got to go with the Jets in my Top 5....They got the two best offensive lineman in my opinion.

TexansSeminole
07-06-2006, 12:22 PM
Fair enough...

Dallas had the best draft...and it's not even close.

1st Round - Bobby Carpenter - Will become the next Chris Spielman.
2nd Round - Anthony Fasano - Mark Bavarro clone...only better.
3rd Round - Jason Hatcher - Leon Lett...without the drug problems.
4th Round - Skylar Green - Dante Hall wishes he could be as good returning kicks.
5th Round - Pat Watkins - Merton Hanks...on steroids.
6th Round - Montavious Stanley - Best DT in the draft because his first name is so long.
7th Round - Pat McQuistion - He's Irish...that's got to account for something good.
7th Round - EJ Whitley - He did a lot of pass protecting at Tech...that'll help us a ton.

Crazy am I? Prove to me those player won't/will bust.

I think Pat Watkins is a greeeeat pick up in the 5th...and Skylar Green is another greeeeat value pick in the 4th. I dont really like their 2nd and 3rd rounders, and im not too high on Carpenter.

Huge
07-06-2006, 01:12 PM
The Titans .... and if you disagree then you didn't watch college sports last year

LenDale: 1300 yards, 24 TDs (most in NCAA)
Vince: 6th most passing yards in NCAA history

Can't argue with that..................
Actually, I can (argue with that)... :)

Vince Young - 6th most passing yards in NCAA history? You sure about that?

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-06-2006, 01:29 PM
Actually, I can (argue with that)... :)

Vince Young - 6th most passing yards in NCAA history? You sure about that?

My bad. I meant his .938 winning percentage. I will go edit it now.

Hutch13
07-06-2006, 01:41 PM
i forgot to mention the titans who i think could have a great draft or a horrible one all depending on how lendale white and vince young do. But it is very tough to figure out who has the best draft when none of the players havent even played a minute of profesional football

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-06-2006, 02:31 PM
i forgot to mention the titans who i think could have a great draft or a horrible one all depending on how lendale white and vince young do. But it is very tough to figure out who has the best draft when none of the players havent even played a minute of profesional football

My point exactly. We will see. I hope Mario Williams turns into Julius Peppers, Vince Young into Steve McNair (except with a SB ring), and LenDale White into Eddie George.

swtbound07
07-06-2006, 02:40 PM
I do have to say the titans draft is one that was great...the texans draft as well, especially the 3rd round.
i think tampa had a terrible draft, Chicago missed also, as did the NYG. I think the panthers had a great draft, and I liked the broncos moves for javon walker.

MorKnolle
07-06-2006, 02:51 PM
There are only 5-6 teams that I think had a really solid draft from top to bottom, most teams had good 1st and 2nd round picks, but anyone can make solid picks that high in the draft. However, at this point there are many teams that I don't especially like their mid and later round picks, but of course we'll have to wait 5-10 years to properly evaluate this draft.

Maddict5
07-06-2006, 10:13 PM
even during the draft, i didnt understand why people thought the bills had a bad draft...yes they reached a little on whitner and mccargo but if they work out it'll be worth it..i remember the rest of their draft being solid also so it def wasnt a bad draft

personally i hated the bears draft..they needed a te and didnt take 1..and mostly went defensive in their draft despite being beastly last year with an anaemic offence

SF49erFaithful
07-07-2006, 02:36 AM
even during the draft, i didnt understand why people thought the bills had a bad draft...yes they reached a little on whitner and mccargo but if they work out it'll be worth it..i remember the rest of their draft being solid also so it def wasnt a bad draft

personally i hated the bears draft..they needed a te and didnt take 1..and mostly went defensive in their draft despite being beastly last year with an anaemic offence
The Bills had a bad draft because IMO they didn't take advantage of where they were drafting and got horrible value in the 1st round......they probably could have traded down to pick up Whitner......and was it really neccessary to trade up to pick up John McCargo?

MorKnolle
07-07-2006, 11:19 AM
even during the draft, i didnt understand why people thought the bills had a bad draft...yes they reached a little on whitner and mccargo but if they work out it'll be worth it..i remember the rest of their draft being solid also so it def wasnt a bad draft

personally i hated the bears draft..they needed a te and didnt take 1..and mostly went defensive in their draft despite being beastly last year with an anaemic offence

You can say this for any team in the league, but in evaluating their draft as of right now they didn't have a real solid set of picks. As of right now I also don't think they had any good late round picks, but those are the ones you usually have to wait a longer time to see how they develop and judge whether they hit on them or not. They had a pretty solid draft but definitely not the best in the league.

aj.
07-07-2006, 01:22 PM
I gave my highest grades to (in no particular order) the Pats, Packers, Eagles, Jets, 49ers, Panthers, Browns, and Texans.

Lucky
07-07-2006, 02:04 PM
The Bills had a bad draft because IMO they didn't take advantage of where they were drafting and got horrible value in the 1st round......they probably could have traded down to pick up Whitner......and was it really neccessary to trade up to pick up John McCargo?
Who's to say? Mel Kiper? I've seen the "value" argument blow up in his hair too many times. I'm sure Jags fans remember him reeming their team for selecting Marcus Stroud over Kenyatta Walker.

Whitner was taken one spot below where the Raiders took Michael Huff. Both played safety on top collegiate defenses. Both tested well in the sprints and agility drills. Yet, Oakland isn't damned for taking Huff? I don't get it. With guys like Polamalu, Dawkins, and Taylor making big impacts at the safety position, it's no wonder that teams are looking at the position higher in the draft than they once did.

Whitner, McCargo, Youboty, Simpson, Kyle Williams...the Bills did a great job of re-stocking their defense. One of the better drafts, IMO.

SF49erFaithful
07-07-2006, 02:16 PM
Who's to say? Mel Kiper? I've seen the "value" argument blow up in his hair too many times. I'm sure Jags fans remember him reeming their team for selecting Marcus Stroud over Kenyatta Walker.

Whitner was taken one spot below where the Raiders took Michael Huff. Both played safety on top collegiate defenses. Both tested well in the sprints and agility drills. Yet, Oakland isn't damned for taking Huff? I don't get it. With guys like Polamalu, Dawkins, and Taylor making big impacts at the safety position, it's no wonder that teams are looking at the position higher in the draft than they once did.

Whitner, McCargo, Youboty, Simpson, Kyle Williams...the Bills did a great job of re-stocking their defense. One of the better drafts, IMO.
Ok, first off i'm not saying what Mel Kiper is, this is MY opinion. Whitner was the 2nd best safety in this draft, but by no means was the prospect Huff was who should of went in the top 10 unlike Whitner IMO. Also, there were players they could of gotten better value for at the 8 spot, while still filling holes in their roster. For example, Bunkley, Ngata or Justice.

Lucky
07-07-2006, 02:22 PM
Ok, first off i'm not saying what Mel Kiper is, this is MY opinion. Whitner was the 2nd best safety in this draft, but by no means was the prospect Huff was who should of went in the top 10 unlike Whitner IMO.
Why? Where is the big difference between Huff & Whitner? And obviously the Bills were more interested in a three technique DT (like McCargo) than a wide body like Ngata. BTW, Justice went in the 2nd round. A lot of teams passed on him, likely for off the field concerns.

SF49erFaithful
07-07-2006, 02:41 PM
Why? Where is the big difference between Huff & Whitner? And obviously the Bills were more interested in a three technique DT (like McCargo) than a wide body like Ngata. BTW, Justice went in the 2nd round. A lot of teams passed on him, likely for off the field concerns.
Huff is more versatile, he can play CB or S. Huff is also better in coverage, but both are about equal tacklers. I know Justice went in the 2nd round, but he still maybe could of been a better pick than Whitner, but i would still disagree with the pick a little. As for the DT, there only option was not a big body in Ngata, they could of taken Bunkley as well.

Lucky
07-07-2006, 03:01 PM
Huff is more versatile, he can play CB or S. Huff is also better in coverage, but both are about equal tacklers. I know Justice went in the 2nd round, but he still maybe could of been a better pick than Whitner, but i would still disagree with the pick a little. As for the DT, there only option was not a big body in Ngata, they could of taken Bunkley as well.
Oakland is playing Huff at free safety (not corner), so does that discount their selection at #7? And some teams (including Miami) looked at Whitner as a CB during predraft visits. Since the Bills were looking for a safety that plays along the line, like Polamalu, I don't see why Whitner's inability to play CB would be a consideration.

If you want to bash the Bills for passing on Justice, fine. But you have to do the same to all of the teams in the league, as he was passed over by some twice. As far as Bunkley is concerned, maybe the Bills saw the difference between him and McCargo to be smaller than the difference between Whitner and a safety that could be found in the late 1st/early 2nd.

I just don't see why a team that took solid players up & down the draft should get slammed by the media & fans. It makes about as much sense as the Texans getting bashed for drafting Mario.

TexansSeminole
07-07-2006, 03:27 PM
Oakland is playing Huff at free safety (not corner), so does that discount their selection at #7? And some teams (including Miami) looked at Whitner as a CB during predraft visits. Since the Bills were looking for a safety that plays along the line, like Polamalu, I don't see why Whitner's inability to play CB would be a consideration.

If you want to bash the Bills for passing on Justice, fine. But you have to do the same to all of the teams in the league, as he was passed over by some twice. As far as Bunkley is concerned, maybe the Bills saw the difference between him and McCargo to be smaller than the difference between Whitner and a safety that could be found in the late 1st/early 2nd.

I just don't see why a team that took solid players up & down the draft should get slammed by the media & fans. It makes about as much sense as the Texans getting bashed for drafting Mario.


My main problem with the Bills draft is John McCargo. Don't really understand that one. Other than that they had an average draft. Even though it seemed that they were in the position before the draft to do very well.

SF49erFaithful
07-07-2006, 03:40 PM
Oakland is playing Huff at free safety (not corner), so does that discount their selection at #7? And some teams (including Miami) looked at Whitner as a CB during predraft visits. Since the Bills were looking for a safety that plays along the line, like Polamalu, I don't see why Whitner's inability to play CB would be a consideration.

If you want to bash the Bills for passing on Justice, fine. But you have to do the same to all of the teams in the league, as he was passed over by some twice. As far as Bunkley is concerned, maybe the Bills saw the difference between him and McCargo to be smaller than the difference between Whitner and a safety that could be found in the late 1st/early 2nd.

I just don't see why a team that took solid players up & down the draft should get slammed by the media & fans. It makes about as much sense as the Texans getting bashed for drafting Mario.
Huff can play both CB and S better than Whitner. Huff has better range and is more reliable in coverage. Like you said, Whitner is probably a good fit in the Bills scheme, but they still reached for him. Also, I'm not bashing the Bills for not taking Justice, because i think they should have gone with Bunkley or Ngata. You can't bash every team for passing on him either, because not every team needed an offensive lineman. I agree with you though that the Bills took solid players in their draft, along with getting good value in the later rounds. However, IMO didn't take advantage of their #8 and #26 picks. I mean, you have to think, couldn't they have traded down to pick up Whitner? And was it really neccessary to trade up to get McCargo who probably would have been available at their pick in the 2nd round?

Lucky
07-07-2006, 03:48 PM
My main problem with the Bills draft is John McCargo. Don't really understand that one.
The draft was thin at DT. Very thin for one gap DTs. Especially when you consider that guys like Wroton and Dvoracek had serious off the field concerns. The Bills didn't think that McCargo would be available with their 2nd round pick. I agree with them.

As far as an "average draft", Youboty and Simpson were listed as 1st round picks on many "draft experts" mocks. Say the Bills had traded and manuvered in the draft and came away with Whitner, Youboty, Simpson, and McCargo with 4 picks in the top 50. They would have been lauded as geniuses. Instead, they're slammed for coming away with the same players. Does that make sense?

Lucky
07-07-2006, 03:55 PM
I mean, you have to think, couldn't they have traded down to pick up Whitner? And was it really neccessary to trade up to get McCargo who probably would have been available at their pick in the 2nd round?
I've discussed the McCargo pick. But did you know that Miami (another AFC East team) was also looking at Whitner? How far could the Bills go down without risking losing the player they wanted to a division rival? You can get too cute on draft day. BTW, Miami did select a safety at #16. Three safeties in the top of the 1st round should indicate to you that it was a valued position this year.

TexansSeminole
07-07-2006, 04:22 PM
I think Youboty and Simpson will be back-ups.

SF49erFaithful
07-08-2006, 12:32 AM
As far as an "average draft", Youboty and Simpson were listed as 1st round picks on many "draft experts" mocks. Say the Bills had traded and manuvered in the draft and came away with Whitner, Youboty, Simpson, and McCargo with 4 picks in the top 50. They would have been lauded as geniuses. Instead, they're slammed for coming away with the same players. Does that make sense?
Actually, i think none of those 4 picks were worth a 1st rounder with the exception of Whitner. Youboty and McCargo IMO are 2nd rounders, with Simpson probably a 3rd. I also don't remember one single "draft expert"(even though that doesn't matter much, because a lot are idiots) give Simpson a 1st round grade, and if he were chosen in round 1, it would have been the worst pick in round one.
I've discussed the McCargo pick. But did you know that Miami (another AFC East team) was also looking at Whitner? How far could the Bills go down without risking losing the player they wanted to a division rival? You can get too cute on draft day. BTW, Miami did select a safety at #16. Three safeties in the top of the 1st round should indicate to you that it was a valued position this year.
Well, IMO Miami selected Allen probably where he should of went(middle/late 1st) and did not reach for him like Buffalo did with Whitner. Also, Buffalo did not have to trade past the 16th spot.

jreal26
07-08-2006, 01:03 PM
I won't comment much on John McCargo, but Donte Whitner is a very solid player. He can play close to the LOS and has good range in coverage. He is a tremendous blitzer as well, probably more so than Michael Huff. I've seen this kid play on several occassions and he, IMO, is alot better football player than the other safety prospects outside of Huff. I think alot of people like to jump on the bandwagon when evaluating the draft. Just like people jumping on the Texans for their decision to pass on Reggie Bush. I wouldn't be surprised if Whitner is a Pro Bowl player before long.

TexanFan881
07-08-2006, 02:06 PM
The Cardinals got two steals at huge needs for them - Matt Leinart and Leonard Pope. They had a great draft, that's for sure.

TexansSeminole
07-08-2006, 03:16 PM
Well, IMO Miami selected Allen probably where he should of went(middle/late 1st) and did not reach for him. Also, Buffalo did not have to trade past the 16th spot.

Whitner is a better prospect than Allen.

SF49erFaithful
07-08-2006, 03:21 PM
Whitner is a better prospect than Allen.
I know that, i was just saying Miami didn't really reach for Allen like Buffalo did with Whitner.

TexanFan881
07-08-2006, 03:51 PM
Whitner was a huge reach...he was supposed to go around 20 a lot like Jason Allen. Jason Allen wasn't a reach at 16 considering the two best safties were already off the table...but Buffalo should've traded down if they wanted Whitner and they shouldn't have traded at all to get McCargo.

TexansCanes
07-09-2006, 11:31 PM
yes it was a reach but if you look at what teams are looking for now with safties, they want versatility and both huff and whitner bring that. teams like the fact the they can put there safties in man coverage and not have to worry about them to much. whitener started his career at ohio state as a corner. plus as someone said, teams have seen the impact that williams, polamalu and taylor have had and might start to reach on them like they do at other postions. i'm not saying that whitner is in that league but he hasn't played safty that long and very well could in the next couple of years with more experience.

4th&inches
07-10-2006, 12:00 AM
I still think its to soon but here goes nothing....titans(to be seen), texans, jets, cards, and eagles....the best might just be the jets though

TexansCanes
07-10-2006, 05:00 PM
I still think its to soon but here goes nothing....titans(to be seen), texans, jets, cards, and eagles....the best might just be the jets though

yeah i agree, many people really like what the jets did (i agree) but some other teams, like the titans, could have great drafts if players pan out. i don't know much about mccargo, but do like what buffalo did and with time in thing youboty, simpson (who i think is a steal in the 4th), and whitner could become a very good secondary. i think new england had a good draft with two players that were thought to be first round talents in maroney and jackson. add brady, branch, and ben watson and you have a very good offense. we won't know the answer to this question for a few years.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-10-2006, 05:13 PM
High risk = high reward = titans

threetoedpete
07-10-2006, 09:38 PM
High risk = high reward = titans
I agree, but if you think about it the only real way you can judge a draft is by how the player played in college. And if you go by that, we had the best draft of any team. It's when people start to factor in "well maybe they won't work out" ... ANY player can not adapt to the NFL well. Mario Williams could be the next Courtney Brown ... who knows? That's why you've got to go on what they did in college.

Well call me crazy but....,
Well the guy on the most important carry of his life, fourth and 1 @ the 6:42 mark of the fourth quarter in the national chapionship game...he got stuffed. The guy has yet to run a timed forty. In the most important moment of his life, a crucible for his chosen carreer, this player chose 1. not to work out and 2. go on an eating binge. Getting stuffed seems to be a reoccuring theme for 'ol biscuit.
There is an old saying...you are what you do. What he did was ride his larrels and got his feelings hurt when 32 teams said ...nope, in the draft . In White's case, it will be an epiphany of galaxtic porpotion if he turns his work habits, must less his attitude around.

As long as Young resists working on his passing Mechanics...all he will ever be is a freakish athlete. That might be good enough to get him to the SB one day. My book says it takes more than being a very rare athlete to make that gauntlet run at the super bowl at the end of a season. It takes more than a force of will. We'll see. Will tell you when you watch Young play, and he gets the lazy feet...high and right...every time. Book it. The titans reached for the fences on both picks. Young has the chance to make a turnaround. Biscuit is what he is. I'm not to terribly dissappointed that neither is on our roster.
Both players are much too leaky a vessels to put very much faith in.

TexansLucky13
07-11-2006, 12:04 AM
Why start a thread? We all know the Texan's had the best draft. :bananasplit:

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-11-2006, 09:42 AM
Well call me crazy but....,
Well the guy on the most important carry of his life, fourth and 1 @ the 6:42 mark of the fourth quarter in the national chapionship game...he got stuffed. The guy has yet to run a timed forty. In the most important moment of his life, a crucible for his chosen carreer, this player chose 1. not to work out and 2. go on an eating binge. Getting stuffed seems to be a reoccuring theme for 'ol biscuit.
There is an old saying...you are what you do. What he did was ride his larrels and got his feelings hurt when 32 teams said ...nope, in the draft . In White's case, it will be an epiphany of galaxtic porpotion if he turns his work habits, must less his attitude around.

As long as Young resists working on his passing Mechanics...all he will ever be is a freakish athlete. That might be good enough to get him to the SB one day. My book says it takes more than being a very rare athlete to make that gauntlet run at the super bowl at the end of a season. It takes more than a force of will. We'll see. Will tell you when you watch Young play, and he gets the lazy feet...high and right...every time. Book it. The titans reached for the fences on both picks. Young has the chance to make a turnaround. Biscuit is what he is. I'm not to terribly dissappointed that neither is on our roster.
Both players are much too leaky a vessels to put very much faith in.

It's funny you mention the one thing LenDale White did badly. He had 24 TDs during the regular season. We have two of the best college football players from last year on our football team now, there's nothing we can do but be happy.

TheOgre
07-11-2006, 10:57 AM
Dallas had the best draft...and it's not even close.

That is an unbiased opinion. :francis:

threetoedpete
07-13-2006, 02:40 PM
It's funny you mention the one thing LenDale White did badly. He had 24 TDs during the regular season. We have two of the best college football players from last year on our football team now, there's nothing we can do but be happy.
I tried, lol.
Well thumb tack...click your heels three times and say, there's no place like home, there's no place like home, theres .... The monkeys are flyin' outta the castle and you, dorthy are down for the count. Wizzard of Bud's big move was to stick "it" to Houston one last time befor he checks out. The end result will be several years in the cellar, the loss of a great head coach, The loss of the last true warrior @ QB and the franchise basically cratering. Pretty big price for " gotcha", but hey that's just me. :redtowel:

TheOgre
07-13-2006, 04:29 PM
I agree, but if you think about it the only real way you can judge a draft is by how the player played in college.

That didn't work in the case of Ryan Leaf. He had a heck of a college career. The same can be said of many others (Tim Couch and Akili Smith comes to mind too).

TheOgre
07-13-2006, 04:33 PM
High risk = high reward = titans

High risk = EITHER high reward OR little to no reward = Titans

We will probably know in 4 years how good this draft was.

Coach C.
07-13-2006, 05:24 PM
Best Draft
1. Arizona- filled needs accross the board.
2. Atlanta- got a big time first rounder and then got the guy the wanted in the second and down.
3. Titans- Got to high risk players. If the pan out that is High reward, cannot argue with their moves. They do their players wrong and will likely lose Fisher, but who cares cause hope the all swim laps in the lake of fire.

Worst Draft
1. Bills- what the hell were they thinking. that is all that can be said.
2. Bears- you need help on offense like crazy and just say well forget about it.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-18-2006, 10:10 AM
That didn't work in the case of Ryan Leaf. He had a heck of a college career. The same can be said of many others (Tim Couch and Akili Smith comes to mind too).

Yeah but the comment I made still can't be argued with. It's true: realistically the ONLY way you can judge college players before they step on the field in an NFL game is what they did in college. Which further more solidifies my point that as of NOW the titans had the best 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 12:39 PM
2. Bears- you need help on offense like crazy and just say well forget about it.

They really screwed up. They got no help that they needed, but then again a lot of the Bears fans up here felt that they didn't need to get anyone :) Still they pretty much threw away that whole draft.

El Tejano
07-18-2006, 01:09 PM
I think they are still putting money on Benson.

Hutch13
07-18-2006, 02:45 PM
I think they are still putting money on Benson.

they could have gotten a TE or a WR to go beside Muhammed

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-18-2006, 02:49 PM
You guys need to sign up at the official Titans message board. It's getting boring over there. We need some spice: http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/

It's almost the exact same format as this board

BTW my username over there is SundaysAtNoon

SF49erFaithful
07-18-2006, 05:02 PM
Yeah but the comment I made still can't be argued with. It's true: realistically the ONLY way you can judge college players before they step on the field in an NFL game is what they did in college. Which further more solidifies my point that as of NOW the titans had the best 1st and 2nd round draft picks.
Maybe that is true that Vince Young was the most successful 1st rounder in College, and same for White in the 2nd. However, in your previous post where you are saying Tennessee had the best draft, it seems like maybe you ignored some things. It seems like you ignore the fact that Vince Young is far from NFL ready, and is no gaurantee to pan out.

If i were you, i would not be concerned about Vince Young's low Wonderlic score, or even taking snaps from under center because i really don't think those are very important factors. However, what worries me about VY are his throwing mechanics. He throws like he is a midget with his strange motion, and he might have trouble adjusting it. Also, what i mean by that previous statement is that his arm is so low at the point of release, it is equal with a normal QB's release point who is somewhere between 5'9 to 5'11.

As for Lendale "man-boobs" White, he has shown he can be immatue at times which can be a big concern. For example, making that "fa**ot" comment at the rookie symposium. It also seems like he has trouble keeping himself at a decent weight. Another thing which might lead some to worry is his hamstring injury, which held him out of the combine.

I say Texans, 49ers, Eagles, and Packers all had better drafts than Tennessee.

Titan "Tack" Fan
07-18-2006, 05:06 PM
Maybe that is true that Vince Young was the most successful 1st rounder in College, and same for White in the 2nd. However, in your previous post where you are saying Tennessee had the best draft, it seems like maybe you ignored some things. It seems like you ignore the fact that Vince Young is far from NFL ready, and is no gaurantee to pan out.

If i were you, i would not be concerned about Vince Young's low Wonderlic score, or even taking snaps from under center because i really don't think those are very important factors. However, what worries me about VY are his throwing mechanics. He throws like he is a midget with his strange motion, and he might have trouble adjusting it. Also, what i mean by that previous statement is that his arm is so low at the point of release, it is equal with a normal QB's release point who is somewhere between 5'9 to 5'11.

As for Lendale "man-boobs" White, he has shown he can be immatue at times which can be a big concern. For example, making that "fa**ot" comment at the rookie symposium. It also seems like he has trouble keeping himself at a decent weight. Another thing which might lead some to worry is his hamstring injury, which held him out of the combine.

I say Texans, 49ers, Eagles, and Packers all had better drafts than Tennessee.

Do you think we care if he is immature? The guy had 24 TDs last year. And as far as VY throwing motion is concerned: He can throw it UNDERHAND for all i care. The guy gets the ball to the receivers. I'm sorry you have Alex Smith, I really am. But going by VY's college career, we have nothing to be worried about at this moment in time.

SF49erFaithful
07-18-2006, 05:42 PM
Do you think we care if he is immature? The guy had 24 TDs last year. And as far as VY throwing motion is concerned: He can throw it UNDERHAND for all i care. The guy gets the ball to the receivers. I'm sorry you have Alex Smith, I really am. But going by VY's college career, we have nothing to be worried about at this moment in time.
Hmmmmmmmm....not sure if you understand that there is a difference between the NFL and NCAA. VY got the ball to his receivers in college, but if he continues to throw with that motion i expect to see a lot of his throws batted and tipped. I am pretty sure they going to try and correct his mechanic though.

About the Alex Smith comment, i guess this year it will be more fair to judge. Last year he had no weapons with Brandon "alligator arms" Lloyd as the #1 WR and TE E. Johnson out for the entire season. He also had no protection from the line, which had suffered some key injuries. And one more thing, he had Mike McCarthy as his OC who offesne is complicated it is tough for players to feel comfortable in it, and I'm still a little confused at to why Green Bay hired him as their HC.

MorKnolle
07-18-2006, 05:51 PM
Hmmmmmmmm....not sure if you understand that there is a difference between the NFL and NCAA. VY got the ball to his receivers in college, but if he continues to throw with that motion i expect to see a lot of his throws batted and tipped. I am pretty sure they going to try and correct his mechanic though.

About the Alex Smith comment, i guess this year it will be more fair to judge. Last year he had no weapons with Brandon "alligator arms" Lloyd as the #1 WR and TE E. Johnson out for the entire season. He also had no protection from the line, which had suffered some key injuries. And one more thing, he had Mike McCarthy as his OC who offesne is complicated it is tough for players to feel comfortable in it, and I'm still a little confused at to why Green Bay hired him as their HC.

Out of curiosity, other than adding Vernon Davis how is the offense looking this year? It seems to me you guys haven't added many pieces to help Alex Smith run the offense. How is the optimism.skepticism for the upcoming season among fans out there?

I would also add that the Cardinals had a great draft, IMO the best among any team.

SF49erFaithful
07-18-2006, 07:09 PM
Out of curiosity, other than adding Vernon Davis how is the offense looking this year? It seems to me you guys haven't added many pieces to help Alex Smith run the offense. How is the optimism.skepticism for the upcoming season among fans out there?

I would also add that the Cardinals had a great draft, IMO the best among any team.
The 49ers offense should actually look different. Although they lost Brandon Lloyd, IMO they upgraded at WR by signing Antonio Bryant. Another thing, our #2 WR Arnaz Battle missed a lot of games due to injury, so he should be coming back. Also, we have some key offensive linemen coming back from injury, like Jonas Jennings, Jeremy Newberry, and we signed Larry Allen. I also expect to see some 2 TE sets this year, because Eric Johnson who caught 82 passes in 2004, is returning this year after missing all of 2005 due to a broken foot. We hired Norv Turner as our OC as well, who offense should be easier to grasp than McCarthy's, who left to GB. One of the other things we did to help out Alex is trade to get Dilfer, to help and mentor Smith.

I think the Cards had a great draft as well, but i still think other teams had better because it seems like the Cards drafted some fat/lazy players.

TexansSeminole
07-18-2006, 07:30 PM
The 49ers offense should actually look different. Although they lost Brandon Lloyd, IMO they upgraded at WR by signing Antonio Bryant. Another thing, our #2 WR Arnaz Battle missed a lot of games due to injury, so he should be coming back. Also, we have some key offensive linemen coming back from injury, like Jonas Jennings, Jeremy Newberry, and we signed Larry Allen. I also expect to see some 2 TE sets this year, because Eric Johnson who caught 82 passes in 2004, is returning this year after missing all of 2005 due to a broken foot. We hired Norv Turner as our OC as well, who offense should be easier to grasp than McCarthy's, who left to GB. One of the other things we did to help out Alex is trade to get Dilfer, to help and mentor Smith.

Interesting, I hadn't read anything about the Niners offseason so that's a good update. What about yall's defense?

SF49erFaithful
07-18-2006, 07:54 PM
Interesting, I hadn't read anything about the Niners offseason so that's a good update. What about yall's defense?
Well, of course you all know, the defense had some rough times last year. However, they could never get off the field due to the offenses constant 3 and outs. They, like the offense, have some key players returning from injury in Jeff Ulbrich and Tony Parrish. Also, some fans of other teams will sometimes point out that the defense has lost both Andre Carter and Julian Peterson. What some don't understand though is that neither fit well in a 3-4 "D". Carter is more suited to play DE in a 4-3 and Peterson fitting better as a 4-3 OLB.

I expect the defense to be improved from last year, a lot because it is their second year in the system.

TexansSeminole
07-18-2006, 09:45 PM
Well, of course you all know, the defense had some rough times last year. However, they could never get off the field due to the offenses constant 3 and outs. They, like the offense, have some key players returning from injury in Jeff Ulbrich and Tony Parrish. Also, some fans of other teams will sometimes point out that the defense has lost both Andre Carter and Julian Peterson. What some don't understand though is that neither fit well in a 3-4 "D". Carter is more suited to play DE in a 4-3 and Peterson fitting better as a 4-3 OLB.

I expect the defense to be improved from last year, a lot because it is their second year in the system.

So whos going to start as linebackers?

SF49erFaithful
07-18-2006, 09:50 PM
So whos going to start as linebackers?
To be honest, no one is sure because TC hasn't even started yet. But ATM it looks like this

ROLB - Lawson
ILB - Ulbrich
ILB - Smith
LOLB - Moore

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 09:52 PM
I like the 49ers draft too. They get a freak with there first pick and Manny Lawson with their second pick. SF49erFaithful, you guys did good with your picks, even after we won the first overall pick from you :)

MorKnolle
07-18-2006, 10:25 PM
I like the 49ers draft too. They get a freak with there first pick and Manny Lawson with their second pick. SF49erFaithful, you guys did good with your picks, even after we won the first overall pick from you :)

Had we beat the 49ers the Saints would have ended up with the #1 pick, then the 9ers at #2 and us at #3, so we most likely would have missed out on Bush and Mario. That would have drastically changed up our offseason, we likely would have tried to trade down or else maybe grabbed D'Brick or Hawk, A.J. Hawk probably would have been my top choice if we had ended up with the #3 pick.

TexanFan881
07-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Had we beat the 49ers the Saints would have ended up with the #1 pick, then the 9ers at #2 and us at #3, so we most likely would have missed out on Bush and Mario. That would have drastically changed up our offseason, we likely would have tried to trade down or else maybe grabbed D'Brick or Hawk, A.J. Hawk probably would have been my top choice if we had ended up with the #3 pick.

Thanks for clearing that up. The whole weekend was about the "Bush Bowl" so I thought that whichever team lost was gonig to get the pick.

If we were at #3 I think we pick D'Brick...but...I would have liked A.J. a lot better at #3 than D'Brick, probably because of my theory that you get a lot better value out of offensive lineman later in the draft than you would at any other position.

SF49erFaithful
07-18-2006, 10:46 PM
Had we beat the 49ers the Saints would have ended up with the #1 pick, then the 9ers at #2 and us at #3, so we most likely would have missed out on Bush and Mario. That would have drastically changed up our offseason, we likely would have tried to trade down or else maybe grabbed D'Brick or Hawk, A.J. Hawk probably would have been my top choice if we had ended up with the #3 pick.
Actually, if we had lost you guys last season, we would have picked #3 with you guys at #2 with the Saints getting the first overall pick. Even if you beat us, our record would be equal but since our strength of schedule was stronger than yours, you would have picked ahead of us. And to be honest, i am actually not sure who had a stronger schedule last year, Houston or NO. If it was you guys, then you would have picked at #2

BTW, i also like where you guys are headed and although i don't exactly agree with the #1 pick, i thought the 3rd rounders were great and i am pretty fond of DeMeco Ryans.

threetoedpete
07-20-2006, 12:02 AM
I like the 49ers draft too. They get a freak with there first pick and Manny Lawson with their second pick. SF49erFaithful, you guys did good with your picks, even after we won the first overall pick from you :)
Let me jump on board of this bandwagon also. Believe y'all got a good 1.
Thanks very much for the update 49er. I believe you guys might surprise some people this year. Young QB's best friend is a good tightend. I think AS makes great strides this season. Only hope ours is as successful.

Give a big Katy, Texas Howdy to Heitmann. Looks as though he's starting out
on the pine this year.

SF49erFaithful
07-20-2006, 12:42 AM
Let me jump on board of this bandwagon also. Believe y'all got a good 1.
Thanks very much for the update 49er. I believe you guys might surprise some people this year. Young QB's best friend is a good tightend. I think AS makes great strides this season. Only hope ours is as successful.

Give a big Katy, Texas Howdy to Heitmann. Looks as though he's starting out
on the pine this year.
I think they will be much improved from last season also, and hope Alex and the team as a whole will make strides.

As for Heitmann, he will most likely be a back-up this season since we signed Larry Allen and have Jeremy Newberry returning from injury.

Good luck to you guys as well with the season. I hope David Carr will prove he can be an effective passer, when the O-line looking improved this season.

Can't wait for the season to start! :yahoo:

HOU-TEX
07-20-2006, 05:20 PM
Do you think we care if he is immature? The guy had 24 TDs last year. And as far as VY throwing motion is concerned: He can throw it UNDERHAND for all i care. The guy gets the ball to the receivers. I'm sorry you have Alex Smith, I really am. But going by VY's college career, we have nothing to be worried about at this moment in time.

What about the fact that it'll take Vince about 5 years to learn half the play book?:hides: IMO,The White pick was better than the VY pick. As long as he keeps his mouth shut and trains hard he'll be pretty good.:twocents:

swtbound07
07-20-2006, 05:21 PM
What about the fact that it'll take Vince about 5 years to learn half the play book?:hides: IMO,The White pick was better than the VY pick. As long as he keeps his mouth shut and trains hard he'll be pretty good.:twocents:

You don't know how long it will take Vince to learn anything...thats just foolish.

HOU-TEX
07-20-2006, 05:27 PM
You don't know how long it will take Vince to learn anything...thats just foolish.

You don't think that the offense he had at Texas was built around him? I don't recall ever seeing it before VY. It was so basic. I mean when the ball was snapped it was either a draw to the RB or a pass. If it was a pass then he'd take a look or two down field and the take off when nothing was available.

I was being sarcastic about the time frame, chief.

swtbound07
07-20-2006, 05:31 PM
You don't think that the offense he had at Texas was built around him? I don't recall ever seeing it before VY. It was so basic. I mean when the ball was snapped it was either a draw to the RB or a pass. If it was a pass then he'd take a look or two down field and the take off when nothing was available.

I was being sarcastic about the time frame, chief.

Who knows what tenn will do to make the playbook work in conjunction with him. However people saying he wont get it as an assumption is foolish...did it ever occur to you that maybe texas used the offense they did because...GASP...it worked??? no, it must be all Vince Young's fault. All the kid does is win.

Huge
07-21-2006, 11:17 AM
You don't think that the offense he had at Texas was built around him? I don't recall ever seeing it before VY. It was so basic. I mean when the ball was snapped it was either a draw to the RB or a pass. If it was a pass then he'd take a look or two down field and the take off when nothing was available.

I was being sarcastic about the time frame, chief.
And yet Pete Carroll (former NFL head coach/defensive coordinator) still couldn't find a way to stop this simplistic offense.

Why do you think that is?

HOU-TEX
07-21-2006, 11:31 AM
And yet Pete Carroll (former NFL head coach/defensive coordinator) still couldn't find a way to stop this simplistic offense.

Why do you think that is?

Because he's a good runner/athlete. I'll admit that, but I won't admit he's a good QB. I don't like Vick as a QB either. I guess I'm just an old school pocket passer with an occasional rollout type guy.:rolleyes:

Huge
07-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Was it his good running/athletic ability that allowed him to complete 30 of 40 passes?

chuckm
07-21-2006, 08:57 PM
Whattya say we re-visit this in 3 or 4 years when we an make an intelligent assessment?

threetoedpete
07-21-2006, 10:23 PM
Whattya say we re-visit this in 3 or 4 years when we an make an intelligent assessment?
Well that of course is the lazy mans response. You look at college games, watch the bowls, watch the combine, you get pretty darn close to who is NFL capable and who's a shot in the dark. Then you figgure who needs what, who's drafting where....you can tell who has a clue and who doesn't. Every now and then a vBill Bates or a Chriss Dishman comes around and beats the odds. But they are far a few between. Tell ya what we'll both watch Trueblood of Tampa Bay. Remember, day two pick....I saw a guy who could maul people. A lot of others saw a slow footed OL who couldn't move well past ten yards. We'll see. Monday morning qbing is only good for Hookers and wanna bes, four years. Base ball/Soccer guy right ?