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johnny_tlmn
07-03-2006, 12:16 AM
Just my own thoughts on the last four years ....

Dom Capers: Nice guy .. great person... whatever! But how do you have success in the NFL without being aggressive and assertive? It just has not been in his personality and makeup. The players that are mature enough to handle game situations are/were treated the same as the youth and inexperienced.
Always the 'building mode' going on ... they (coaches) didn't seem to want to get to the final product.
There has to be resentment, and they've (players) shown their disrepect so many times on the sidelines during games.
They wanted to win. He wanted to put the brakes on everytime there was a chance to succeed.

His conservative ways only gave the players the feeling of suffocation. (hence the outbursts over the stretch by Sharper, Walker, etc)
And then you undermine that with instability .. no team leadership ... players with talent ... others coming into their own with little experience .. . (and some with little or no talent)
.. and surprise! ..
the big collapse.

Everytime I think of last year it hits me how bad of a coach we had and I never seen it before hand. All I could think about was that time he coached the Panthers on their expansion year and hit the playoffs thought it would work here, thought wrong.

WiiBrawler
07-03-2006, 12:36 AM
Uhh First He Coached the Panthers, and took them to the playoffs their second year, he set the record for expansion wins the expansion year, and you gotta take the fact that they were 0-4 , and he turned them around sort of, he had a team full of veterans, and In our situation, we were young all-around.The Team was raw in our expansion year. Not tyring to defend Capers, but he is not problem, the situation wasnt right for his type, If you try to coach rookies the way he did, they will be bad

HoustonFan
07-03-2006, 12:36 AM
Right on the money w/ this one. I don't think there was much of a lack of talent, but like in the above post it was more along the lines of stunting the growth of the team.

TexansLucky13
07-03-2006, 01:15 AM
He wasn't a bad coach. He was just far too conservative. His high school offense limited a versatile David Carr to options that were both few in number and overly unappealing.

He doesnt know how to fix problems on offense. That was his downfall. He tried to change the O-line on many occasions, but failed.

He will do well for the Dolphins as a DC. I wish him luck there. I don't hate Capers for the condition of the team. He just couldn't get he job done. And now he is gone. Problem fixed.

P.S.- His defensive mastermind, if it exists, will be put to the test next year. I hope he has fun facing the Brady Bunch twice a year. :rolleyes:

Doom Capers
07-03-2006, 02:10 AM
......wait....this thread has nothing to do with me.........

infantrycak
07-03-2006, 08:47 AM
Uhh First He Coached the Panthers, and took them to the playoffs their second year, he set the record for expansion wins the expansion year, and you gotta take the fact that they were 0-4 , and he turned them around sort of, he had a team full of veterans, and In our situation, we were young all-around.The Team was raw in our expansion year. Not tyring to defend Capers, but he is not problem, the situation wasnt right for his type, If you try to coach rookies the way he did, they will be bad

The Texans' D was anything but rookies. Walker-7, Payne-5, Coleman-6, Stevens-6, Glenn-8, Sharper-5, Wong-4, Posey-4, Brown-4 all had at tons of experience. Jay Foreman had 3 years in the league. The youngest member of the D was DeLoach going into his 2nd year. If anything Capers made the same mistake as in Carolina and started with too many guys who were unlikely to be playing at a high level 4+ years down the road--that and putting the D in Vic Fangio's hands.

HJam72
07-03-2006, 08:50 AM
Delegating Authority--that's what Capers did the worst job of. He gave Fangio too much free reign and stifled Palmer's play calling and Carr's options on audibles. You would think that a D minded HC like Capers would be all over the D side of things, but he was too busy screwing up the offense. Then he made his biggest blunder with this franchise and replaced an average (overall) OC with Pendry.

He's still a great DC, Capers is, and I think he should be allowed to run that part of the show with Miami or whatever team he will be with, but his HC skills are far inferior to his football IQ.

El Tejano
07-03-2006, 09:00 AM
The one thing Capers did for our team was instill a very diligent work ethic and that may have helped more than it hurt. Appearantly our team has made quite the transition with the new coach and he has stated before how happy he was to see that they are on schedule. I believe that is because the team knows how to prepare.

Kaiser Toro
07-03-2006, 09:39 AM
He wasn't a bad coach. He was just far too conservative. His high school offense limited a versatile David Carr to options that were both few in number and overly unappealing.

There are some that think that maybe Carr is not that versatile and a limited offense better suits him. I am most interested on how much control Kubiak will have play to play and how many, if any, audibles Carr will be able to call at the line. It would seem that Carr will be inundated with options to execute upon give the investment in a true #2 WR, a north/south TE and an All-Pro Center.

Really looking forward to the first pre season game.

Bobo
07-03-2006, 10:54 AM
Just my own thoughts on the last four years ....

Dom Capers: Nice guy .. great person... whatever! But how do you have success in the NFL without being aggressive and assertive? It just has not been in his personality and makeup. The players that are mature enough to handle game situations are/were treated the same as the youth and inexperienced.
Always the 'building mode' going on ... they (coaches) didn't seem to want to get to the final product.
There has to be resentment, and they've (players) shown their disrepect so many times on the sidelines during games.
They wanted to win. He wanted to put the brakes on everytime there was a chance to succeed.

His conservative ways only gave the players the feeling of suffocation. (hence the outbursts over the stretch by Sharper, Walker, etc)
And then you undermine that with instability .. no team leadership ... players with talent ... others coming into their own with little experience .. . (and some with little or no talent)
.. and surprise! ..
the big collapse.

Everytime I think of last year it hits me how bad of a coach we had and I never seen it before hand. All I could think about was that time he coached the Panthers on their expansion year and hit the playoffs thought it would work here, thought wrong.

Stop it. Teams win SBs by being conservative all the time. His team for being an expansion squad was very successful for the first three years. Finally, the lack of experience and developed talent (nobody's fault, just the nature of an expansion team) caught up with him last year. To say Capers was a bad coach is just ludicrous and revisionist and absolutely flies in the face of the facts. There will come a time when you will see the Capers era as "the good old days."

Bobo
07-03-2006, 10:58 AM
Right on the money w/ this one. I don't think there was much of a lack of talent, but like in the above post it was more along the lines of stunting the growth of the team.

The very nature of an expansion team means you will have a lack of developed talent. The rookies were developing just fine, ie. Davis, Robinson, AJ and David Carr.

Bobo
07-03-2006, 11:00 AM
The one thing Capers did for our team was instill a very diligent work ethic and that may have helped more than it hurt. Appearantly our team has made quite the transition with the new coach and he has stated before how happy he was to see that they are on schedule. I believe that is because the team knows how to prepare.

There is no indication that the team has done ANYTHING in regards to Kubiak, ie., "made quite the transition." The only thing you've heard thus far is talk, and talk is never negative. Folks shouldn't be duped so easily.

Bobo
07-03-2006, 11:03 AM
He wasn't a bad coach. He was just far too conservative. His high school offense limited a versatile David Carr to options that were both few in number and overly unappealing.

He doesnt know how to fix problems on offense. That was his downfall. He tried to change the O-line on many occasions, but failed.

He will do well for the Dolphins as a DC. I wish him luck there. I don't hate Capers for the condition of the team. He just couldn't get he job done. And now he is gone. Problem fixed.

P.S.- His defensive mastermind, if it exists, will be put to the test next year. I hope he has fun facing the Brady Bunch twice a year. :rolleyes:

When you have a young offensive line, you had better be conservative! Besides, conservative play brings you SB championships. Look at the Steelers, Ravens, Giants, etc. They used conservative play to bring home the bacon. Capers was doing a fantastic job with very limited talent due to the nature of an expansion team. That's just plain common sense.

Bobo
07-03-2006, 11:26 AM
Really looking forward to the first pre season game.

You're kidding, right?

the wonger need food
07-03-2006, 11:37 AM
The team lost confidence in Capers half way through the '04 season. Upper management should have recognized this and made the change before '05.

But then again, maybe everything happens for a reason. Maybe Mario and DeMeco were meant to anchor this defense for many playoff years to come. We might look back in 10 years and thank Dom for that 2-14 season. Only time will tell...

The Pencil Neck
07-03-2006, 12:26 PM
......wait....this thread has nothing to do with me.........

Dude.

It's ALL YOUR FAULT.

Just admit it and move on.

Bobo
07-03-2006, 05:08 PM
The team lost confidence in Capers half way through the '04 season. Upper management should have recognized this and made the change before '05.

But then again, maybe everything happens for a reason. Maybe Mario and DeMeco were meant to anchor this defense for many playoff years to come. We might look back in 10 years and thank Dom for that 2-14 season. Only time will tell...

The facts say different, seeing that the Texans beat the Bears and Jax on the road and in the process gave up just five points total near the end of the 2004 season. Doesn't sound like the team "gave up" on Capers to me!!!