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Zac
06-19-2006, 08:53 AM
I know I don't hear anyone talking Superbowl, but the excitement seems to be off the radar for the upcoming season. It seems to me that the Expectations of victories keep going up each time I read about the Texans.

The team that takes the field in September will not be at all like the team that lost 14 games las season.

But did this team get 7 or 8 victories better as opposed to 2 or 3?


I think the Texans are headed in the Right Direction, but I don't think Talent alone gets Victories. A team must come together, that is something that will be the real work here. Having guys know their teamates weakenesses and covering them up with other players strengh.

I'm Excited about the Texans, but seeing the Texans play and come together is to me more important next season than victories. If the team plays well, the table will be set for success for years to come!!!

The Preacher
06-19-2006, 11:17 AM
I agree it would be hard to believe if we jumped to 9 ot 10 wins but it is definitely accomplishable. The way I see it is we will be 2 or 3 wins better than the 7 or 8 win team we should have had last year. The 05' Texans were in my opinion one of the most underperforming poorly coached teams in history. They found ways to lose 3 or 4 games that were simply horrific. They played a close to the vest style that exemplified a complacent aggressiveness and misutilized resources of uncompromised fathomobility. :) Personally I will be shocked if we don't have a winning record as the time to expect winning is upon us. No more try to win with a field goal philosophy. That might have been more frustrating than all the losing; the fact they never had the confidence to just go out win a football game in a dominating fashion, even if maybe they were outmanned on paper.

Hulk75
06-19-2006, 11:29 AM
I know I don't hear anyone talking Superbowl, but the excitement seems to be off the radar for the upcoming season. It seems to me that the Expectations of victories keep going up each time I read about the Texans.

The team that takes the field in September will not be at all like the team that lost 14 games las season.

But did this team get 7 or 8 victories better as opposed to 2 or 3?

I think the Texans are headed in the Right Direction, but I don't think Talent alone gets Victories. A team must come together, that is something that will be the real work here. Having guys know their teamates weakenesses and covering them up with other players strengh.

I'm Excited about the Texans, but seeing the Texans play and come together is to me more important next season than victories. If the team plays well, the table will be set for success for years to come!!!
Yes.........We lost what was it 6 games by 3 to 6 points or less.

I will say it 1st- Think Superbowl.............Let me tell all of you to get your HOPES up this year, I dont think you will be dissapointed.

Ibar_Harry
06-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Yes.........We lost what was it 6 games by 3 to 6 points or less.

I will say it 1st- Think Superbowl.............Let me tell all of you to get your HOPES up this year, I dont think you will be dissapointed.

I have been saying 13-3 for a very long time and have taken a lot of heat. I would say right now the biggest problem is DD or an equivalent replacement. If DD is healthy then we are a very difficult club to defend. Our defense is a question mark until we see it on the field. You can say the same for the offense, but I think we can have more confidence in it than the defense at this point. You can look at people like AJ, Putzier, Moulds, DD (if healthy) and Carr with an O-line that is getting a lot better and say you can have confidence in the Offense. Its not that I don't have confidence in the defense I just want to see how its being put together. The preseason games are going to tell us a lot about this ball club.

Hervoyel
06-19-2006, 11:46 AM
First of all this is exactly the time of year to be predicting Super Bowl berths and outrageous win totals. It's June for crying out loud. That means every fan of every NFL team is at peak optimism as well as peak frustration.

Second I have to admit that I'd be over rating the improvement if I felt this good about the team based on nothing more than the personnel turnover. Fortunately that's not what has me this fired up. I'm far more excited about the new coaching staff than I am about the new players.

TK_Gamer
06-19-2006, 11:51 AM
I'm not gonna go to 13-3 but i think you are right, we had a lot of close winnable games last year that we blew in the 3rd and 4th quarter with poor coaching and poor execution, we at times looked lost like we didnt know how to put the game away. I think the better coaching should turn that into 6 to 8 more wins, 10-6 or 9-7 are verry doable in my oppinion. in the AFC that prolly wont get us into the playoffs, but we could squeak in to the last wildcard spot. Good Luck to us!

Ibar_Harry
06-19-2006, 11:54 AM
First of all this is exactly the time of year to be predicting Super Bowl berths and outrageous win totals. It's June for crying out loud. That means every fan of every NFL team is at peak optimism as well as peak frustration.

Second I have to admit that I'd be over rating the improvement if I felt this good about the team based on nothing more than the personnel turnover. Fortunately that's not what has me this fired up. I'm far more excited about the new coaching staff than I am about the new players.

Yes, Herv coaching is and has been a big element of my forcast. However, we have picked up players to go along with the coaching. Offensively we could be a real force to deal with on any given Sunday. The defense is the question mark, but it looks like its coming together as well. It would appear that our O-lines and D-lines will no longer be a problem. That's where offense and defense begins. I believe our Defense is going to be a whole lot better simply because I believe we are going to have an extemely good rush and penitration by the D-line. We haven't seen that in a while and that should help the rest of the defense to improve quite a bit. If I adjust my forcast upward or downward it will be the result of what I see in the preseason games. Right now, I'm extemely optomistic and feel everyone should be. I think we have a bunch of winners, not loosers on this ball club.

thunderkyss
06-19-2006, 11:58 AM
I know I don't hear anyone talking Superbowl, but the excitement seems to be off the radar for the upcoming season. It seems to me that the Expectations of victories keep going up each time I read about the Texans.

The team that takes the field in September will not be at all like the team that lost 14 games las season.

But did this team get 7 or 8 victories better as opposed to 2 or 3?


I think the Texans are headed in the Right Direction, but I don't think Talent alone gets Victories. A team must come together, that is something that will be the real work here. Having guys know their teamates weakenesses and covering them up with other players strengh.

I'm Excited about the Texans, but seeing the Texans play and come together is to me more important next season than victories. If the team plays well, the table will be set for success for years to come!!!

I've been saying we'll go 13-3, and host the AFC Championship game. Until I see something that makes me think otherwise, I'm sticking to it.

I honestly think we were a playoff team last year..... we went 2-14, but it wasn't because we didn't belong on the field. As poorly as we did play, we missed many games, by a mistake, or a bad call, or a bad play.

Our offensive line play was horrendous........ but I thought they were more unprepared, than outclassed....

If we were a little more aggresive, we would have won more games, & got into the playoffs....

We've got a new coaching staff, that will take care of the unprepared problem, the aggresive problem, and keep our boys playing for 60 minutes....

Talent wise.... I see some definite upgrades... on what I thought was a young talented team to begin with...... we've also brought in some veterans, who are talented...... and some young talent.....

I think we're going to shock the league next year.....

if we go 2-14 next year, I won't be broken hearted or anything. I won't be singing praises to all the "more realistic" fans either.

But SuperBowl........... mark my words. We'll either get there this year, or we'll learn what we need to do better to get there in 2008.

Ibar_Harry
06-19-2006, 11:59 AM
I'm not gonna go to 13-3 but i think you are right, we had a lot of close winnable games last year that we blew in the 3rd and 4th quarter with poor coaching and poor execution, we at times looked lost like we didnt know how to put the game away. I think the better coaching should turn that into 6 to 8 more wins, 10-6 or 9-7 are verry doable in my oppinion. in the AFC that prolly wont get us into the playoffs, but we could squeak in to the last wildcard spot. Good Luck to us!

Our conference is simply not going to be as strong as in the past. The Colts appear to be vulnerable, particularly if you can get to Payton. That's what the Steelers did and it would appear we have the potential to do that. Everyone has lost key personnel except for us. I'm assuming DD comes back healthy. This year we can beat everyone in the conference on any given day and I think we can beat them on most days. Don't be surprised if we aren't the conference champs.

Speedy
06-19-2006, 12:09 PM
I, for one, thought the Texans weren't as bad as their 2-14 record last year. A couple of plays in several games and this team is 6-10 to 7-9. Bengals, Ravens, Titans, Rams, 49ers all could have, and in a couple of cases, should have been wins. You could also throw the game in Jacksonville in there too. And to be fair, they very easily could have lost the Cleveland game, but that still comes out to around 6-10, 7-9 had one or two plays been made in each of those games. I believe this new coaching staff alone turns at least 3 of those losses into wins.

So to say this team improves by 5 or 6 wins this year, to me means they very well could reach 11-5. No, I won't make that my official prediction....yet. I mean I predicted 8-8 to 10-6 last year.:wacko:

TexansCM
06-19-2006, 12:22 PM
I think the best addition to the team is the quality depth that was acquired in the offseason. We got Moulds, Putzier, Flanagan, etc as starters, but we also shored up a problem that effects every NFL team, Injuries. Also those close games in the 3rd and 4th quarters, we will be well rested due to substitutions during the game. Last year when key players (AJ for one) went down there were average players filling in. This year those backups are fighting for a starting spot and that means if someone goes down or is not living up to expectations we have a guy to fill in. My biggest concern is depth at CB and RB (but the Kubiak system should take care of the RB). 10-6 at least.

Ibar_Harry
06-19-2006, 12:26 PM
I think the best addition to the team is the quality depth that was acquired in the offseason. We got Moulds, Putzier, Flanagan, etc as starters, but we also shored up a problem that effects every NFL team, Injuries. Also those close games in the 3rd and 4th quarters, we will be well rested due to substitutions during the game. Last year when key players (AJ for one) went down there were average players filling in. This year those backups are fighting for a starting spot and that means if someone goes down or is not living up to expectations we have a guy to fill in. My biggest concern is depth at CB and RB (but the Kubiak system should take care of the RB). 10-6 at least.

The 3rd and 4th Qtr issues may well have been in part the result of training methods imployed by the previous staff. I happen to be one who feels that was a large contributing factor to our tiring particularly in the 4th qtr. We will have to wait and see.

powerfuldragon
06-19-2006, 12:32 PM
i'm sticking to my 6 - 10 prediction.

El Tejano
06-19-2006, 12:36 PM
To me, it seems like the players have made the first step to being successful and that is to believe in their system. With any team they have to believe in a system to be successful. I think they've shown that.

I wont be disappointed with a 7-9 record but I am expecting a winning one this season because they are my favorite team but because the players have expressed their excitement and belief in our system.

TK_Gamer
06-19-2006, 12:42 PM
Our conference is simply not going to be as strong as in the past. The Colts appear to be vulnerable, particularly if you can get to Payton. That's what the Steelers did and it would appear we have the potential to do that. Everyone has lost key personnel except for us. I'm assuming DD comes back healthy. This year we can beat everyone in the conference on any given day and I think we can beat them on most days. Don't be surprised if we aren't the conference champs.

I think yer right but I also think the Texans still have some demons to shrug off this year, if we stay healthy and relatively intact, I see us fighting for conference next year, I just dont see us at the maturity and confidence level to do that this year, its a new system on both sides of the ball with probably at least 7 new starters. Thats just a steep hill to climb IMHO.

WildBlackBear32
06-19-2006, 12:46 PM
My biggest concern is depth at CB and RB (but the Kubiak system should take care of the RB). 10-6 at least.

RB doesnt concern me, but CB DEFINETLY does.

EF55
06-19-2006, 12:48 PM
The 3rd and 4th Qtr issues may well have been in part the result of training methods imployed by the previous staff. I happen to be one who feels that was a large contributing factor to our tiring particularly in the 4th qtr. We will have to wait and see.

I think losing makes you feel tired faster as well, It's amazing how much more energy you have when you're winning.

HOOK'EM
06-19-2006, 12:53 PM
I still got us going 9-7. Having a Miami 05' type of turn around. After going 1-15 in 04' (only beating the Pats) they picked up Saban in the offseason added some key players. They had a slow start in 05', but finished winning their last 6 games. I think they will beat out the Pats for their division this year. Now compair the Texans, we had our down year in 05' winning only 2 games. In the offseason added new coaches (Kubiak & staff) and some key players. The start of our 06' season is pretty brutal, but if we could win a couple and give our team a little time to gel. The second half of our season we should be looking pretty dang good! Then in 07' have a real good shot at taking the AFC South!

TK_Gamer
06-19-2006, 12:56 PM
RB doesnt concern me, but CB DEFINETLY does.

I firmly believe Kubiak is not done padding the RB and DB positions, he did make a comment about feeling good about the DB Position, but I think any coach would make a coment like that to keep morale up.

carter08
06-19-2006, 01:00 PM
I think the reason for the high expectations is that Dom Capers is gone.
New players are good, but Kubiac brings talent to the coaching staff.
Capers was an alright head coach, but he couldn't pick assistants

The Pencil Neck
06-19-2006, 01:27 PM
I think the offense is going to be very good. And I think that alone will make the defense better.

They're going to get more rest because the offense is going to have longer drives. They're going to get a lot more opportunities to play from the lead and the DL will be able to pin their ears back and go. The cornerbacks are going to look better because they aren't going to have to cover as long. The quarterbacks are going to have more hurries and that's going to force bad throws.

I'm predicting 8-8 because I think it's going to take us a little time to get everything moving in the right direction but I expect us to finish strong.

When is this damn season starting?

Eyeguy
06-19-2006, 01:32 PM
Since 2003 season 14 of 36 ( 39%) of teams to make the playoffs had a loosing record. They averaged 5.8 wins the year before making the playoffs. This says with the parity in the NFL a team can go from worst to first in 1 year. In 2005 14 teams had loosing records, of those 14 teams if the trend continues 4 of those teams will make the playoffs.
Of the teams with loosing records,
San Francosco
Arizonia
St. Louis
New Orleans
Green Bay
Detroit
Phila.
Oakland
tenn.
Balt.
Cleveland
Jets
Buffalo

The Texans have had the best offseason or at least can be placed in the top 25% of these teams. This means the Texans have a real chance to make the playoff if they stay healthy in 2006.

Lucky
06-19-2006, 01:39 PM
Mario Williams
Anthony Weaver
Eric Moulds
Mike Flanagan
DeMeco Ryans
Jeb Putzier
Eric Winston
Charles Spencer
Jameel Cook

Not many teams bring that much talent onto their roster in a given year. I think it would be unrealistic to not expect the Texans to improve. It's also not unrealistic to expect guys like Michael Stone, Sam Cowart, Wali Rainer, Kevin Walter, or Ephraim Salaam to contribute.

How much more can the new staff get from the players who were already on the roster? Even Carr's harshest critics have to believe he'll be a better QB under Kubiak. That alone will make Andre Johnson better. Sherman should get more from Wand, McKinney, Pitts, and the other leftover linemen. Greenwood, Babin, and Peek are playing positions more suited to their talents. Young players like CC. Brown, Charlie Anderson, Chris McKenzie, and Glenn Earl should benefit from an offseason with fresh coaching.

Certainly, the Texans face a tough schedule. Everyone in the NFL has a tough schedule. Aside from a rash of injuries (like '03), I don't see a good reason why this team can't match or better the franchise record for wins in a season.

Texian
06-19-2006, 01:47 PM
In 2003 the Atlanta Falcons hired a new GM, went 5 - 11 and fired their coach. In 2004 they had a new coach, switched from a 3-4 to 4 -3 defense hired Alex Gibbs to teach the zone blocking system and installed a version of the west coast offense. Atlanta went 12-4 and lost to Philly in the NFC Championship game. See any similarities? Yes the Texans can go to the playoffs this year!

Answer to your title, "Is Influx of New Players driving up unrealistic Expectations?" Yes, along with new coaching staff and Front Office. This is however much better than having no expectations at all.

Marcus
06-19-2006, 01:56 PM
Answer to your title, "Is Influx of New Players driving up unrealistic Expectations?" Yes, along with new coaching staff and Front Office. This is however much better than having no expectations at all.
The thing that I hate about unrealistic expectations, or should I say, the people who have them, follow it up with unfair criticism if those unrealistic expectations are not met.

Perfect case in point. Predicting a W-L record for the upcoming season. Those predictions should fall into two different categories . . . the "heart" category, and the "head" category . . and they should never EVER be the same.

Hulk75
06-19-2006, 01:57 PM
I've been saying we'll go 13-3, and host the AFC Championship game. Until I see something that makes me think otherwise, I'm sticking to it.
I honestly think we were a playoff team last year..... we went 2-14, but it wasn't because we didn't belong on the field. As poorly as we did play, we missed many games, by a mistake, or a bad call, or a bad play.

Our offensive line play was horrendous........ but I thought they were more unprepared, than outclassed....

If we were a little more aggresive, we would have won more games, & got into the playoffs....

We've got a new coaching staff, that will take care of the unprepared problem, the aggresive problem, and keep our boys playing for 60 minutes....

Talent wise.... I see some definite upgrades... on what I thought was a young talented team to begin with...... we've also brought in some veterans, who are talented...... and some young talent.....

I think we're going to shock the league next year.....

if we go 2-14 next year, I won't be broken hearted or anything. I won't be singing praises to all the "more realistic" fans either.

But SuperBowl........... mark my words. We'll either get there this year, or we'll learn what we need to do better to get there in 2008.
I will back you on that.........

edo783
06-19-2006, 01:59 PM
While I admire and applaude those who think we are going to win 10-13 games this season, in my heart of hearts I doubt that will come about. IMO, there are to many things in flux on both sides of the ball and we have a bear of a schedule, particularly the first 6 weeks or so. 6-10 is were I see us and a possibility that with a couple of good bounces going our way, possibly 8-8, any more than that and the football gods will have smiled most favorable on us.

Double Barrel
06-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Man, I like what y'all are drinking! What flavor is it? ;)

Seriously, though, I like what I've seen this off-season. From the FO changes to the new players from FA and the draft, to the attitude among fans and players, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

However, since we do have a lot of new players and coaches, along with new schemes on offense and defense, I'd have to grant this season a learning curve. It also takes time to gel as a unit on each side of the ball, as well as to develop the instincts to know where your teammates are going to be during a given play.

I'd be very happy with an 8-8 record this season. Anything more is icing on the cake to me! The 2007 season is when we really see the team that Gary built, because veteran players will know what to expect and how to get ready in the off-season.

Hulk75
06-19-2006, 02:05 PM
TEXANS 2006 REGULAR SEASON SCHEDULE
Opponent Date Kickoff Time
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES-W
Sun., Sept. 10 (FOX) Noon
@ Indianapolis Colts-W
Sun., Sept. 17 (CBS) Noon
WASHINGTON REDSKINS -W
Sun., Sept. 24 (FOX) Noon
MIAMI DOLPHINS-W
Sun., Oct. 1 (CBS) Noon
BYE WEEK Sun., Oct. 8
@ Dallas Cowboys-W
Sun., Oct. 15 (CBS) Noon
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS-W
Sun., Oct. 22 (CBS) Noon
@ Tennessee Titans-W
Sun., Oct. 29 (CBS) Noon
@ New York Giants-W
Sun., Nov. 5 (CBS) Noon
@ Jacksonville Jaguars-W
Sun., Nov. 12 (CBS) Noon
BUFFALO BILLS-W
Sun., Nov. 19 (CBS) Noon
@ New York Jets-W
Sun., Nov. 26 (CBS) Noon
@ Oakland Raiders-W
Sun., Dec. 3 (CBS) 3 p.m.
TENNESSEE TITANS-W
Sun., Dec. 10 (CBS) Noon
@ New England Patriots-W
Sun., Dec. 17 (CBS) Noon
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS -W
Sun., Dec. 24 (CBS) Noon
CLEVELAND BROWNS-W
Sun. Dec. 31 (CBS) Noon
.................:cool:

But really Dallas will be tough, Colts are tough, and the Patriots are the only teams I see us haveing trouble with.

Ibar_Harry
06-19-2006, 02:08 PM
TEXANS 2006 REGULAR SEASON SCHEDULE
Opponent Date Kickoff Time
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES-W
Sun., Sept. 10 (FOX) Noon
@ Indianapolis Colts-W
Sun., Sept. 17 (CBS) Noon
WASHINGTON REDSKINS -W
Sun., Sept. 24 (FOX) Noon
MIAMI DOLPHINS-W
Sun., Oct. 1 (CBS) Noon
BYE WEEK Sun., Oct. 8
@ Dallas Cowboys-W
Sun., Oct. 15 (CBS) Noon
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS-W
Sun., Oct. 22 (CBS) Noon
@ Tennessee Titans-W
Sun., Oct. 29 (CBS) Noon
@ New York Giants-W
Sun., Nov. 5 (CBS) Noon
@ Jacksonville Jaguars-W
Sun., Nov. 12 (CBS) Noon
BUFFALO BILLS-W
Sun., Nov. 19 (CBS) Noon
@ New York Jets-W
Sun., Nov. 26 (CBS) Noon
@ Oakland Raiders-W
Sun., Dec. 3 (CBS) 3 p.m.
TENNESSEE TITANS-W
Sun., Dec. 10 (CBS) Noon
@ New England Patriots-W
Sun., Dec. 17 (CBS) Noon
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS -W
Sun., Dec. 24 (CBS) Noon
CLEVELAND BROWNS-W
Sun. Dec. 31 (CBS) Noon
.................:cool:

Guess you are a little more enthusiastic than me. But I guess you would be happy with my 13-3.

Hulk75
06-19-2006, 02:12 PM
Guess you are a little more enthusiastic than me. But I guess you would be happy with my 13-3.
Yea, shoot yea.............Dallas, Indy and the Pats will be our toughest teams to beat...........maybe the Redskins. I do see us winning 10+ games this year.

Ibar_Harry
06-19-2006, 02:31 PM
Here is my response to another thread way back in May.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtexan02
Now that the 2006 draft is in the books, and FA has settled down (a little), we should be able to look at the teams and make a more educated guess as to where we will stand at the end of the season. Our schedule is so tough that despite being vastly improved in 2006, I still think we still might have a losing record. Once calculating in my predictions for team chemistry by the end of the season, however, I think this is what will happen:

Eagles: Finished 2005 6-10. This team lost Terrell Owens, which could be a good or bad thing. They made key DL additions with Darren Howard and Broderick Buntley. On the OL, Winston Justice and MJG are great additions, but may not start game 1. Gaffney isn't much of a replacement for TO, but a healthy McNabb may make him better. This will be a tough game for the rebuilt Texans, Prediction: Loss

Colts: Finished 2005 13-3. Losing Edge was key, but they retained their passing attack and we didn't make any significant changes to our secondary. Our improved pass rush will definitely help, but facing them this early in the season in Indianopolis, Prediction = Loss

Redskins: Finished 2005 10-6. This is my pick for the NFC East, as they acquired a lot of offensive help to go along with their great defense. Also, they hired even better coaches than before. QB is the only position of concern, but with that defense, I don't predict too much difficulty. Prediction: Loss

Dolphins: Finished 2005 9-7. Picking up Culpepper was huge for them, but reports have indicated he may not be ready to play full strength until October. Couple this with the loss of Ricky Williams and some key members of their defensive secondary, and they may have a tough time in the beginning. They had a pretty good draft, going Safety and WR with Allen and Hagan, but I think the Texans will be able to hassle Harrington (if he's there) and thus Prediction = Win

Cowboys: Finished 2005 9-7. The Cowboys signed TO, which in an of itself should be enough to put any team over the top. By this week of the year, however, Bledsoe+Parcells+TO may = catastrophe. Our DL will be playing on all cyclinders by this time, and so we should hassle Bledsoe a lot. The loss of Ngyun + Poor Draft + Texans rivalry (I guarantee you we will try harder in this game than any of the others), I have to say...Prediction = Win (this one could go either way)

Jaguars: Finished 2005 12-4. They lost Akin Ayodele, but picked up some OL and DL help, along with another CB. Had an average draft, but nothing game changing. We always manage to play to their level, no matter how good they are that year, and being at home in battle red, Prediction = Win

Titans: Finished 2005 4-12. The Titans have had a very productive offseason so far, and had a very decent draft (if extremely risky!). I predict McNair will go to Baltimore, and Volek will be starting at this point in the season. We will be playing in Tennessee, but given their situation, Prediction = Win

Giants: Finished 2005 11-5. Signed Will Demps and Arrington. Manning and Barber will continue to play well, and Manning to Shockey (along with Sinorice Moss) will be our downfall. Prdiction = Loss

Jaguars: Finished 2005 12-4. See above, but playing Jacksonville, so I will give them the edge here, Prediction = Loss

Bills: Finished 2005 season at 5-11. They have now lost Milloy, Moulds, and had one of the seemingly worst drafts of any team. They replaced Milloy with Whitner, and Sam Adams with McCargo, but didn't make any significant improvements to their horrible OL. Prediction = Win

Jets: Finished 2005 4-12. Lost a lot key players, including Abraham, and Pennington and Martin are still huge question marks. They did solidify their line through the draft, but will lack playmakers on both sides of the ball, and thus Prediction = Win

Raiders: Finished 2005 4-12, They have now lost Collins and Woodson, and have only really added Brooks. Huff was a great addition, but they needed help at both HB and QB. I see some problems out West, and Prediction = Win

Titans: Finished 2005 4-12. See Above, although the Titans will be in Houston and I think by this point in time Young will be starting. He may not have a stellar rookie career, but something inside of him will go off like it did in the Rose Bowl, and he will want to prove something in Houston. This game will receive a lot of attention, but Young's winning ability will be enough, and Prediction = Loss

Patriots: Finished 2005 10-6. They lost some key players, but their coaches are amazing. No matter what happens to that team, they will always be a contender. Jackson was a great pickup in the middle of the second round to replace Givens. Maroney will be a great replacement for Dillon. Prediction = Loss

Colts: Finished 2005 13-3. See above, but I think the Colts will have clinched a playoff berth by this time, and we will be in Houston. Prediction = Win

Browns: Finished 2005 season 6-10. They have arguably the best chance of any team to go most improved. By this point in time, however, I think the Texans will be on a roll and will want to finish the season strong. Our team will be playing well together, and the Browns problems at QB will result into a Predictin = Win

Predicted Season Totals (minimum) -> predicted -> maximum: 6-10 -> 9-7 -> 10-6

6-10 (View predicted, but losses to Miami, Dallas, and Cleveland)
9-7 (see Above)
10-6 (Win against Tennesse in Houston)


Eagles game I disagree. We will use our ends and play a contain game with pressure up the middle. McNabb's nightmare so to speak. Win

Colts the game will be close, but Manning will not like what is happening with our rushing game and the loss of James will be felt and they will not have adjusted at this early point in the season. They will take us too lightly. Win

Redskins I agree will be a loss. Gibbs is one of the old guard and will not take us lightly. We will have a let down after beating the Colts. Loss

Dolphins I agree with you. We will have our feet on the ground after the loss to the Redskins and we will rededicate ourselves to playing the game. Win

Cowboys I agree this will be a very tough game against one of the best strategy coaches in the game. There will be a great deal of emotion surrounding the game. We will win this game or it will be a big time loss. Loss

Jaguars I agree with you. Win

Titans I agree with you. Win

Giants I don't agree with you. Manning will have a bad day because of our pass rush and he will prove to be like any other QB that has pressure. Our running and passing game will be clicking by this point in the season and Barber will begin to show his age. He disappears in some games. We will have a much better run defense this year. Win

Jaguars I will disagree with because we will have too many weapons by that point and firing on all cylinders, but it will be close. Lefty is the 1 QB we seemed to have caused a lot of trouble for. I think he fears us. Win

Bills, Jets, Raiders I agree. Win, Win, Win

Titans will not even be close at this point in the season on our home field. Our defense will be the surprise of the season. The Titans have a lot of growing to do this will not be their year and they won't have McNair to bring them from behind. Vince is good, but like Elway in his 1st year he will still be learning the game. Win

Pats by this time in the season will have a lot of injuries and their lack of depth will catch up with them. We will have simply too many weapons against them. Their coach is amazing, however, and could pull an upset. Win

Colts will be struggling at this point and the game is in Houston and we are on a run. The loss of the running game makes Manning extemely vulnerable and he is having temper tantrums over the lack of protection. He gets eaten alive by our defensive pressure and feels the pain of Payne up the middle. The Houston fans make the game a nightmare for him. Win

Bowns have our number and we will have a let down after beating the Colts. We will be regrouping after this game to enter the play offs. This team for some reason seems to have our number. Loss

I guess that means I believe 13 - 3 will be our record. That should get us into the playoffs. Who knows what we can do then, but don't be surprised.

blockhead83
06-19-2006, 03:06 PM
Ok, I gotta get in on this one. For those of you saying we have a chance to make the playoffs ok, sure, any given Sunday right? If our virtual unknown's in an untested head coach, offensive, and defensive coordinators turn out to be aces and catalyze an incredible turn around I could see us making the wild card. But 13-3, are you serious? I guess it could happen, but I'd put that in the same realm of possibility that includes Dom Capers giving a speech without saying the word 'execute'.

A 13-3 record would more than likely mean we were tied for the best record in the league. Do you honestly feel we have the talent, and depth, to equal teams in the past like last years Colts or Seahawks? David Carr hasn't ever had a good pro season. Kubiak has never been a pro head coach. Richard Smith was a co-defensive coordinator for one year, and this is the first time he's been the only pro DC. Calhoun has never been a pro NFL OC. Has anyone on our offensive line besides the now older Flanagan ever been to a pro bowl? We have no proven commodity in the slot, 2nd CB, or either safety position. Our one young, proven RB has a lingering knee injury.

How can you take all of those doubts and questions marks, sift them through any logical thought process, and deduce that this team will only lose 3 games next season? Honestly.

If we go 13-3 next season, Hilary Clinton becomes the next President of the U.S., and Vinny stops just telling it likes he see's it I'll give you 10 bucks.

Marcus
06-19-2006, 04:00 PM
Ok, I gotta get in on this one. For those of you saying we have a chance to make the playoffs ok, sure, any given Sunday right? If our virtual unknown's in an untested head coach, offensive, and defensive coordinators turn out to be aces and catalyze an incredible turn around I could see us making the wild card. But 13-3, are you serious? I guess it could happen, but I'd put that in the same realm of possibility that includes Dom Capers giving a speech without saying the word 'execute'.

A 13-3 record would more than likely mean we were tied for the best record in the league. Do you honestly feel we have the talent, and depth, to equal teams in the past like last years Colts or Seahawks? David Carr hasn't ever had a good pro season. Kubiak has never been a pro head coach. Richard Smith was a co-defensive coordinator for one year, and this is the first time he's been the only pro DC. Calhoun has never been a pro NFL OC. Has anyone on our offensive line besides the now older Flanagan ever been to a pro bowl? We have no proven commodity in the slot, 2nd CB, or either safety position. Our one young, proven RB has a lingering knee injury.

How can you take all of those doubts and questions marks, sift them through any logical thought process, and deduce that this team will only lose 3 games next season? Honestly.

If we go 13-3 next season, Hilary Clinton becomes the next President of the U.S., and Vinny stops just telling it likes he see's it I'll give you 10 bucks.

Aw c'mon man! Never let a few question marks get in the way of someone's wild-eyed June prediction.:pigfly:

Then again, Ibar pretty much had it spot on last season, I'll give him that.

Double Barrel
06-19-2006, 04:59 PM
But really Dallas will be tough, Colts are tough, and the Patriots are the only teams I see us haveing trouble with.

I like your optimism, man, I really do...but, IMO, every team we face this year will be tough after going 2-14.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong and they steamroll teams, but after four years I've learned that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Those other teams will be fighting just as hard for those wins as we will.

dat_boy_yec
06-19-2006, 05:54 PM
11-5 bank on that!

Wharton
06-19-2006, 06:34 PM
Wow, some of yall are really exited about this team. Given prediction of 10+ wins by many of you, I'd have to say we are a wee bit too excited about this team.

If we can get 5+ wins and show some progress in the second half of the season, I'll be happy.

Wolf
06-19-2006, 06:39 PM
I think we will be equal if not just a tad better than the 2004 squad.. Watching the draft and seeing who picked what, seemed like everyone improved (due to deep draft) so it will be a dogfight

Offensively I think we will be better and mainly because we have a legit #2 WR , a TE, and I think the OL will be lots better

defensively.. not sure.. we are changing to 4-3.. and DL should be better but everyone still learning (same with offense but we added some talkent offensively) . the key is the DL they get pressure..LB and CB will look lots better..

I just don't know what to expect from our defense, yet I believe it will be ranked higher than last season for sure.

blockhead83
06-19-2006, 06:57 PM
I think we will be equal if not just a tad better than the 2004 squad.. Watching the draft and seeing who picked what, seemed like everyone improved (due to deep draft) so it will be a dogfight

Offensively I think we will be better and mainly because we have a legit #2 WR , a TE, and I think the OL will be lots better

defensively.. not sure.. we are changing to 4-3.. and DL should be better but everyone still learning (same with offense but we added some talkent offensively) . the key is the DL they get pressure..LB and CB will look lots better..

I just don't know what to expect from our defense, yet I believe it will be ranked higher than last season for sure.

That about sums my thoughts on our expectations.

bayoudreamn
06-19-2006, 07:44 PM
I think we will be equal if not just a tad better than the 2004 squad.. Watching the draft and seeing who picked what, seemed like everyone improved (due to deep draft) so it will be a dogfight

Offensively I think we will be better and mainly because we have a legit #2 WR , a TE, and I think the OL will be lots better

defensively.. not sure.. we are changing to 4-3.. and DL should be better but everyone still learning (same with offense but we added some talkent offensively) . the key is the DL they get pressure..LB and CB will look lots better..

I just don't know what to expect from our defense, yet I believe it will be ranked higher than last season for sure.

The key is: FORGET LAST YEAR

Take last year away, and look at the team the year before. Think about the talent and the production. Now look at this offseason and compare the talent. I think this team is better than that one. Now remember that we could have won one or two more games if we hadn't made a mistake here or there.
Seeing the pics on this site and vid of workouts here and there and I think this team is further along than ever before in preparations.....by far.....at this point. You can see confidence already in the way players interact and it's not even training camp, yet. Given all of that, now add those 1-2 wins and I say we win at least 9 games....but we would win more if the schedule wasn't such a monster. As it is, we may win more but that's why you have to play 'em on Sunday.

Good Luck Texans!!!

TexanFan881
06-19-2006, 07:46 PM
If you want to look at last year it definately drops down the expectations...but, if you forget last year, we do have a team capable of getting a lot of wins and a coaching staff good enough to put that together.

TexanFan4Life
06-19-2006, 08:12 PM
After enduring the last years of losing seasons but still being excited and supportive at every game, it will be great this year just because change brings renewed excitement. I for one am looking forward to seeing our NEW Texans team and cheering when I don't know what play we are going to run before every snap. At least when we had Billy Miller, we could sometimes see him run that pass play up the middle, aka, like the one he scored in the very first Dallas game here at home on opening night. Can't wait and even if we go 5 or 6 wins and 9 or 10 losses, it will feel different than the previous years because I believe we are building toward something good. At least Kubes is making moves that seem to be grounded in common football sense. If you can't get excited now, you need the PADDLES--Clear!!!!!!!!!!!

Zac
06-19-2006, 08:13 PM
I'm excited about this team!!! I like the changes! But before you can run, you must learn to walk first. As it is the Texans have never had an winning season.

As a fan like every other fan in the NFL, I root for my team to go undefeated! And as you all know, that has only been done once by Miami in the whole history of the NFL (and that was a 14 game season)!!!

Fans have expectations. But statistically speaking, if anyone here is quite confident that the Texans can win 13 games, there are plenty of people in LAS VEGAS who will be quite happy to give you very good odds.

HERE'S PULLING FOR AN UNDEFEATED SEASON AND FOR WINNING THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!! OF COURSE I WOULD GET TO THE TABLE TO PLACE A BET ON THAT HAPPENING :poker: "If you're going to dream, dream big".


All I want the Texans is to play and give us hope each and every week. Play to get better. Play to become a juggernaut. Get to the point where they will become a dynasty. And when teams and fans see that the Texans are coming up on their schedule, they cringe. They have nightmares of Mario Williams total domination of the sissy Left Tackles who couldn't contain him. And their backs are broken by the way Andre Johnson man handles the defensive backs. And after a while, they say, the Texans are coming, and they salute not out of fear, but out of respect :hunter:

HoustonFrog
06-19-2006, 08:29 PM
Wow, some really crazy expectations here. I like the enthusiasm and I know people like to think it is always "the" year but this year isn't it. In all reality they should expect a 7-9 type season. That would be a huge step and a great improvement. The talent is there in some positions but I still see question marks in our secondary and I'm hoping the O-line improves with the additions.

My main mark on the team is coaching and a new system. You have a new mix of players in a new system and a new scheme..whether that is the O-line, WRs, etc you have to be able to not only learn the system, language and techniques but you have to be able to do it without thinking. This will take more than camp and pre-season. Not only this but new players have to integrate themselves with the old and then learn each others strengths and weaknesses, especially on D. Also, the coaches are still seeing who they think can play in their scheme and that takes some evaluations. This is a honeymoon season that people will accept if they see the future possibilities. In general though this is a good year to hope for .500 and look to the future.

The Preacher
06-20-2006, 10:23 AM
I would like to see the country's reaction to this thread. Since the wagon is on a breakaway bend towards delirium I would like to say :francis: Can't wait to get a better look at this group this looks like the beginning of something we can all be delusional about and actually be the most sane of all.

HOOK'EM
06-20-2006, 10:27 AM
.............don't forget EVERYONE will be overlooking us this year after going 2-14 last year, 9-7 is very realistic!:twocents:

Vambo, the Marble Eye
06-20-2006, 10:52 AM
.............don't forget EVERYONE will be overlooking us this year after going 2-14 last year, 9-7 is very realistic!:twocents:


Well almost. The media will spend a lot of time on "did the Texans make a mistake chosing Mario Williams?" on the first couple of games. The opposing coaches and players will key on this. However, if we lose those first couple of games to make this a non-story... then EVERYONE will overlook us.

I guess that I'm saying 9-7 is realistic more because;

a) this young team of high draft choices is maturing.... the '02, 03', 04' and '05 draft talent will provide more depth to thwart injuries and show improvement due to "another year in the NFL"

b) the coaching will have this team better prepared... a tougher team, both mental and physical.

c) the offensive play calling will not be so predictable to the opponents... last year was just nuts.

d) EXPECTATIONS- (you name the source) coaching staff, season ticket holders, owners, AND the influx of veteran free agents demands a supreme effort. Starters, situation players, special teams and backups have no excuses for not performing...


These factors will drive our chances to go 9-7, regardless of the opponent's motivation.

TheOgre
06-20-2006, 10:54 AM
I'm excited about the new staff and the majority of personnel moves we have made. I just think expecting 11+ wins is unrealistic. This is a team that won 2 games with perhaps the easiest closing 6 games in the league. I see 6-7 wins in our future. That starting schedule looks tough.

thunderkyss
06-20-2006, 11:08 AM
I would like to see the country's reaction to this thread. Since the wagon is on a breakaway bend towards delirium I would like to say :francis: Can't wait to get a better look at this group this looks like the beginning of something we can all be delusional about and actually be the most sane of all.

Don't forget, we are talking pre-pre-season..... this is all subject to change. The case can be made both ways right now, because everything is speculation, and we have very little to go on.

Right now, there shouldn't be a fan who thinks his team can't go all the way this year.... even Detroit..

I've got expectations for individual players, the three defensive levels, the Running game, the passing game, the O-line..... I've got my own set of milestones, that I'd like to see met by the first preseason game, and again Sept 10th.... and again at the end of November.

right now my projection is 13-3..... come November based on what I've seen up to that point, I may be thinking 12-4 is more in line...... who knows.

But I don't think we were a 2-14 team last year..... & I don't think we were a 7-9 team the year before..... I think we were better than that record both years running, and the main reason it didn't show, is gone.

TwinSisters
06-20-2006, 11:33 AM
Right now, there shouldn't be a fan who thinks his team can't go all the way this year.... even Detroit..

*cough* Detroit?

You need to share some of that Zoloft cousin. They have been not winning since 1958 ( and still going strong ).

That's a LOooooong time man. Elvis was scoring the last time they called themselves winners. Eisenhower was president. People still smoked cigarettes in the stands. Joe Montana was two years old.

Double Barrel
06-20-2006, 12:59 PM
But I don't think we were a 2-14 team last year..... & I don't think we were a 7-9 team the year before..... I think we were better than that record both years running, and the main reason it didn't show, is gone.

Hate to say it...but scoreboard doesn't lie. We just sucked last year, and no amount of "we were better than that" can heal the wounds of a 2-14 season.

It's best just to let it scab over and quit picking at it, because nothing will make the ugliness of the 2005 season any prettier, IMO. It is an experience that I won't soon forget, on many levels.

If we were better than that, then we would have been better than that. :rolleyes:

TheOgre
06-22-2006, 12:51 PM
I'm actually glad we were 2-14 as opposed to say 5-11. It prompted action to be taken, gave us the #1 pick overall, and gave most of the fans a more realistic expectation for this season.

thunderkyss
06-22-2006, 01:16 PM
I'm actually glad we were 2-14 as opposed to say 5-11. It prompted action to be taken, gave us the #1 pick overall, and gave most of the fans a more realistic expectation for this season.


& what's realistic??

If our line does their job, is it unrealistic to expect us to score 30 points a game??


how 'bout 26?? would that be unrealistic??

without a doubt, my 13-3 contains a lot of ifs..... but at this point of the season, all those ifs look like more than likelies......

David doesn't throw interceptions..... we have two #1 recievers....... and we have THE runblocking guru........ a ProBowl Center, 5 first day picks on the OLine... we've got Putz, another tightend newly acquiered in the Draft, another tightend that had a great....... good..... NFLE season.... young talented players in all skilled positions hoping to make our team...

a head coach with 2 superbowl rings, an assistant head coach(offensive quality control manager) with 3 superbowl rings.....

I'm telling you guys 30 points a game is pretty conservative.

defensively, what have we got??

2 guys capable of being premier corners..... I'm really high on Earl as a safety, I like our Linebakers, Orr, Greenwood, Cowart....... I think our tackles are solid... regardless who is starting.... we've got speed at both ends.... Babin & Mario first rounders...... and pretty strong.....

I don't think we'll give up more than 20 points a game... I'm just not seeing it.

edo783
06-22-2006, 02:23 PM
& what's realistic??

If our line does their job, is it unrealistic to expect us to score 30 points a game??


how 'bout 26?? would that be unrealistic??

without a doubt, my 13-3 contains a lot of ifs..... but at this point of the season, all those ifs look like more than likelies......

David doesn't throw interceptions..... we have two #1 recievers....... and we have THE runblocking guru........ a ProBowl Center, 5 first day picks on the OLine... we've got Putz, another tightend newly acquiered in the Draft, another tightend that had a great....... good..... NFLE season.... young talented players in all skilled positions hoping to make our team...

a head coach with 2 superbowl rings, an assistant head coach(offensive quality control manager) with 3 superbowl rings.....

I'm telling you guys 30 points a game is pretty conservative.

defensively, what have we got??

2 guys capable of being premier corners..... I'm really high on Earl as a safety, I like our Linebakers, Orr, Greenwood, Cowart....... I think our tackles are solid... regardless who is starting.... we've got speed at both ends.... Babin & Mario first rounders...... and pretty strong.....

I don't think we'll give up more than 20 points a game... I'm just not seeing it.

Good positive thinking and some very rational reasons. However, I think your overvauling some of the changes. We have had a lot of good changes and I like what is going on, but to expect all of the changes to work really well such to bring a 13-3 season is just not real likely. IMO, 6-10 is a probable season with 8-8 possible with a few good bounces.

TK_Gamer
06-22-2006, 02:23 PM
what does that add up to rating wise 30 pts on offense should be what? top 10? 20 points on defense? top 15 or so? I could handle that and call it progress :)

infantrycak
06-22-2006, 02:28 PM
& what's realistic??

If our line does their job, is it unrealistic to expect us to score 30 points a game??


how 'bout 26?? would that be unrealistic??

I'm telling you guys 30 points a game is pretty conservative.


Yes. Only three teams, the Manning 49 TD Colts (32.6 ppg) and KC twice (30.2 ppg both times) have averaged over 30 points in the last 3 years. Nothing conservative or reasonable in expecting 30 ppg. Only 5 teams were over 26 points in 2005 and 2004 and 6 in 2003--Denver by the way was never one of them. Is it realistic to expect the O to be much better--yup, but it isn't realistic to expect them to be top 5.

20 points allowed by the D is more reasonable--that would have ranked 16th in 2005, 12th in 2004 and 12th in 2003.

El Tejano
06-22-2006, 02:32 PM
Especially when we hardly score over 27 points.

thunderkyss
06-22-2006, 02:56 PM
Good positive thinking and some very rational reasons. However, I think your overvauling some of the changes. We have had a lot of good changes and I like what is going on, but to expect all of the changes to work really well such to bring a 13-3 season is just not real likely. IMO, 6-10 is a probable season with 8-8 possible with a few good bounces.

I tell you what.... If I ever see Gary Kubiak come up to the podium, and say.... "well guys..... Houston Texans fans... we've made a lot of changes in the off-season..... we've got some new faces in here, and a revamped coaching staff.

You guys should look forward to a 6-10 season....... "

I'm just going to throw my hands up and be done with it.

Realistically, we should expect to win every game..

I won't believe that we won't be 13-3 until we loose 4 games.

Meloy
06-22-2006, 04:14 PM
After reading some of these predictions, I immediately cashed in everything, sold my car, boat, watch and tried to pull the gold out of my fillings. Going to place it all on Texans in Las Vegas. Have you seen the odds those dummies have us at? What do they know? Anyway, if it doesn't work out for me, I'm sure some of you will let me sleep on the couch?

thunderkyss
06-22-2006, 04:20 PM
After reading some of these predictions, I immediately cashed in everything, sold my car, boat, watch and tried to pull the gold out of my fillings. Going to place it all on Texans in Las Vegas. Have you seen the odds those dummies have us at? What do they know? Anyway, if it doesn't work out for me, I'm sure some of you will let me sleep on the couch?


pssshhhh... come on over buddy.

DocBar
06-22-2006, 04:46 PM
I have been saying 13-3 for a very long time and have taken a lot of heat. I would say right now the biggest problem is DD or an equivalent replacement. If DD is healthy then we are a very difficult club to defend. Our defense is a question mark until we see it on the field. You can say the same for the offense, but I think we can have more confidence in it than the defense at this point. You can look at people like AJ, Putzier, Moulds, DD (if healthy) and Carr with an O-line that is getting a lot better and say you can have confidence in the Offense. Its not that I don't have confidence in the defense I just want to see how its being put together. The preseason games are going to tell us a lot about this ball club.
New coaching staff...new schemes...new players...I would say the entire team is a question mark. 13-3 sounds good, and in this day and age, is entirely possible. Please keep in mind the Cardinals, Rams, Browns, ravens(SB run BARELY included), Titans, Jets, Dolphins, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, etc...
THEY all think they improved their team 2. Free Agency makes it possible. Ravens+ SB victory??? Only today. The Steelers, Cowboys or Raaams wouldv'e crushed them 30 yers ago.:spy:

aquafin
06-22-2006, 05:06 PM
I still got us going 9-7. Having a Miami 05' type of turn around. After going 1-15 in 04' (only beating the Pats) they picked up Saban in the offseason added some key players. They had a slow start in 05', but finished winning their last 6 games. I think they will beat out the Pats for their division this year. Now compair the Texans, we had our down year in 05' winning only 2 games. In the offseason added new coaches (Kubiak & staff) and some key players. The start of our 06' season is pretty brutal, but if we could win a couple and give our team a little time to gel. The second half of our season we should be looking pretty dang good! Then in 07' have a real good shot at taking the AFC South!

Good analysis. yes my Dolphins put in a good turn around in '05....and now I think we may be on the brink of Super Bowl contention(we will see!). The same is possible with the Texans. It all starts with coaching..as it did with my Doplhins and Saban. Maybe Kubiak will have similar success?

That said...Miami brought in a very strong rushing attack in 05 with rooikie Ronnie Brown and the wayard Ricky Williams. I believe that it is essential that the Texans be able to run the ball in '06 if they want to have a successful season and contend for a playoff berth. we won 9 games in '05..and I have to give much of the credit to Sage Rosenfels for two of those wins(Bills and Jets). We were down something like 23-3 well into the 4th quarter when Sage engineered a great comeback...perhaps one of the best in Dolphin's history. He managed to do it again against the Jets a few weeks later. Way to go Texans on that pick up to back up David Carr.

Being able to run the ball seems to open up all kinds of options for your offense. The opposing defense is always off balance for one. The receivers seem to get more room...plus pounding the lights out of the opposing defense on the ground is a great way to break the spirit of the opposing team. What is more...you have a huge advantage in the fourth quarter when the opposing defense starts to wear down physically. Some of Ricky and Ronnie's biggest plays came in the 4th quarter when the opposing defense started to miss those first tackles at the line of scrimmage. That's an automatic 10-15 yards if you have an explosive running back.

We are excited about Ronnie Brown in '05...but again..it all starts with coaching...as Nick Saban was the one who drafted Ronnie Brown and Channing Crowder...both of them having a huge impact on our team as rookies.

jdog
06-23-2006, 06:13 PM
I am excited about the new coaching staff and the changes they are making. They seem to be making great decisions so far. Have you noticed the free agents they are bringing onto the team seem to be carefully selected to bring a specific piece of culture from a successful program or position? I am thinking genius. It is hard not to get excited, but I realize we probably will not win the super bowl this year. It is just good positive change on a team that really needed it.

HJam72
06-23-2006, 06:30 PM
The Houston Texans :logo:

We might not win the Super Bowl this year. :jam:

BigDTexansFan
06-23-2006, 11:15 PM
RB doesnt concern me, but CB DEFINETLY does.


I have to admit to a certain amount of concern about CB...not DRob, then got to thinking why did our CBs get victimized...NO PASS RUSH!!!!!

Any team we played last season could have had QB's grandma in there and not worried, I think Peyton, Byron and Volek had better have health insurance card handy to save time:drool:

BigDTexansFan
06-23-2006, 11:18 PM
Good analysis. yes my Dolphins put in a good turn around in '05....and now I think we may be on the brink of Super Bowl contention(we will see!). The same is possible with the Texans. It all starts with coaching..as it did with my Doplhins and Saban. Maybe Kubiak will have similar success?

That said...Miami brought in a very strong rushing attack in 05 with rooikie Ronnie Brown and the wayard Ricky Williams. I believe that it is essential that the Texans be able to run the ball in '06 if they want to have a successful season and contend for a playoff berth. we won 9 games in '05..and I have to give much of the credit to Sage Rosenfels for two of those wins(Bills and Jets). We were down something like 23-3 well into the 4th quarter when Sage engineered a great comeback...perhaps one of the best in Dolphin's history. He managed to do it again against the Jets a few weeks later. Way to go Texans on that pick up to back up David Carr.

Being able to run the ball seems to open up all kinds of options for your offense. The opposing defense is always off balance for one. The receivers seem to get more room...plus pounding the lights out of the opposing defense on the ground is a great way to break the spirit of the opposing team. What is more...you have a huge advantage in the fourth quarter when the opposing defense starts to wear down physically. Some of Ricky and Ronnie's biggest plays came in the 4th quarter when the opposing defense started to miss those first tackles at the line of scrimmage. That's an automatic 10-15 yards if you have an explosive running back.

We are excited about Ronnie Brown in '05...but again..it all starts with coaching...as Nick Saban was the one who drafted Ronnie Brown and Channing Crowder...both of them having a huge impact on our team as rookies.


I've got a question for you, how effective do you think Saban will be when most of SEC players he saw and recruited no longer there??

thunderkyss
06-24-2006, 12:18 AM
Personally I'm a Saban fan..... he went to LSU with the rep for quickly turning a team around... because of what he did at MichaganState......

& he did a darn good job at Party U...... So he gets picked up by Miami to do the same thing. So far, so good.

I think he is the real thing, and will be around for a long time.

bayoudreamn
06-25-2006, 08:37 PM
Personally I'm a Saban fan..... he went to LSU with the rep for quickly turning a team around... because of what he did at MichaganState......

& he did a darn good job at Party U...... So he gets picked up by Miami to do the same thing. So far, so good.

I think he is the real thing, and will be around for a long time.

I agree....and add that Saban runs the show and everyone in Miami knows it. He gets top performance out of players because they'll do anything to stay on the guys good side. Some hardcore coaches alienate players and eventually see subpar performance. I've never seen this from Saban players so he obviously knows how to get the job done.

Look for Miami to be a contender for the duration of Saban's tenure.

Zac
06-25-2006, 09:32 PM
I think that the word "Potential" clouds every fans mindl!! The Texans have a lot of Talent that includes the word "Potential". 13-3 records are riddled with "Potential".

"That's why they play the games" is a clichee too often heard after an underdog beats a team that was favorite.

When we Texan fans dream of 13-3 records, the best clichee we can hope for is "That's why they play the games" scenerios.


We just don't have new players, we have new offensive and defensive systems, and new coaches!!!! Come on, this team has to jell first before anyone goes all in with their hopes.


As a realistic fan, I know the Texans are not going undefeated. They will lose games. And they will lose games because of inexperience (both the coaches and players faults). They will lose games because of a bad bounce. And don't forget the ocassional bad call by the Refs!!!! That's just the way the NFL has been ever since it started. Law's of probability are there, no matter how much anyone fan cries, "fans must beleive their team will go undefeated"!!! Statistically speaking, I say that isn't going to happen!!!


But, I think the Texans will be competitive!! I think that they won't be a cake walk for anyone. I think that they can ride a hot streak, and win 3 or 4 games in row. If they jell just enough, a squeek into the Playoffs could be a possibity!!! And in the playoffs I'll be there supporting them!!! I'll be supporting them even if they just play hard and don't quit!!

I'm excited to see how the coaches can coach the talent. I'm excited to see the new defensive schemes. I'm excited to see if David Carr can get the protection he deserves. I'm excited to see Mario Williams wreck havock at the opposing teams offensive lines. I'm excited to see Andre Johnson become the best wide receiver in the league!!!

Even if the wins aren't there, I think there are a lot of things to be excited aobut this team. :redtowel:

TexanFan881
06-25-2006, 09:52 PM
But, I think the Texans will be competitive!! I think that they won't be a cake walk for anyone. I think that they can ride a hot streak, and win 3 or 4 games in row. If they jell just enough, a squeek into the Playoffs could be a possibity!!! And in the playoffs I'll be there supporting them!!! I'll be supporting them even if they just play hard and don't quit!!

That's all you can ask and hope for. As a fan I just want to see our team be a threat to other teams. It would feel so good this year to just see our team be competitive, and to know we have a shot at winning going into every week.

DenverBorn
06-25-2006, 10:25 PM
Wow this board is waaay too optimistic

I am going with 5-11, and I think that's a stretch

1. Carr is still Carr. He has the expansion team mindset of "play well enough to not embarass myself", not "win". And he's still got no true competition for his position, and multiple years left on his contract. It's a HUGE leap of faith that he'll get better phyically and become a leader/winner all in one season. Don't count on it. Ever.

2. We've added an aging center to an OL that's otherwise pretty much the same. We're still depending on the likes of Pitts, McKinney, Weigert and Wand. I think to expect true contributions from two rookie 3rd round draft picks is way too optimistic. Maybe in 2008 -

3. We're definitely better at TE and WR but see 1 and 2 above.

4. DD is going to continue to be hurt and we don't have a legitimate alternative.

5. Our DL is picking up a new scheme with multiple new players. Travis Johnson is looking like a colossal bust as a 1st round draft pick. I'm happy we switched to a 4-3 but I don't see us having a DL that's going to dominate many teams. Certainly not a "13-3" type DL

6. Are our linebackers any better? We don't have a legit, injury-free candidate for MLB. Sam Cowart? Hmmm. And all of a sudden Greenwood is going to be better?

7. We have not improved a porous defensive backfield AT ALL. Do we really expect PBuc to get any better? Is Faggins a true front line CB? Earl and Brown as the starting safeties? Did anyone watch us play last year?

All of this optimism is unfounded. I like most of the draft picks but they aren't going to make a huge impact in 06. We're expecting our QB, OL, DL, LBs and DBs to get better based on "coaching". Call me skeptical. I think Mario, Ryans, Winston and Spencer are all a great start towards getting better but it's not gonna happen in 2006.

bigbrewster2000
06-26-2006, 07:56 AM
Wow this board is waaay too optimistic

I am going with 5-11, and I think that's a stretch

1. Carr is still Carr. He has the expansion team mindset of "play well enough to not embarass myself", not "win". And he's still got no true competition for his position, and multiple years left on his contract. It's a HUGE leap of faith that he'll get better phyically and become a leader/winner all in one season. Don't count on it. Ever.

2. We've added an aging center to an OL that's otherwise pretty much the same. We're still depending on the likes of Pitts, McKinney, Weigert and Wand. I think to expect true contributions from two rookie 3rd round draft picks is way too optimistic. Maybe in 2008 -

3. We're definitely better at TE and WR but see 1 and 2 above.

4. DD is going to continue to be hurt and we don't have a legitimate alternative.

5. Our DL is picking up a new scheme with multiple new players. Travis Johnson is looking like a colossal bust as a 1st round draft pick. I'm happy we switched to a 4-3 but I don't see us having a DL that's going to dominate many teams. Certainly not a "13-3" type DL

6. Are our linebackers any better? We don't have a legit, injury-free candidate for MLB. Sam Cowart? Hmmm. And all of a sudden Greenwood is going to be better?

7. We have not improved a porous defensive backfield AT ALL. Do we really expect PBuc to get any better? Is Faggins a true front line CB? Earl and Brown as the starting safeties? Did anyone watch us play last year?

All of this optimism is unfounded. I like most of the draft picks but they aren't going to make a huge impact in 06. We're expecting our QB, OL, DL, LBs and DBs to get better based on "coaching". Call me skeptical. I think Mario, Ryans, Winston and Spencer are all a great start towards getting better but it's not gonna happen in 2006.
See the posts above you. We make the grand gestures because it's fun and we are excited about our team. We can see the team getting better with the youth and the extra experience our young players have gained. Not to mention the confidence our team has in our head coach. Why would you say that DC is playing just hard enough not to embarass himself? For a guy to get up over 200 times from sacks over the last 4 years shows plenty of heart. Now, last year at the beginning of the season he was hanging his head some but the guy never quit on his team and he kept pressing on.
The center that we added ma be aging but he is not old as far as O-linemen go and he is a top 5 center in the league. You say that is all they really did but they also purged the team of players and the 2 biggest problems on our o-line from last year are gone. With Pitts back inside and McKinney playing his natural position our interior line is much more solid than it was last year. The only player that I worry about on the line is Wand but he was a rookie starter in '04 and the coaching staff ruined his cofidence last year by not giving him consistant playing time. So we shall see. It looks much better across the line to me.
The great thing about us going to the 4-3 is that every player on our defense has played in it. It should be a quick pickup for them. I am not sure if they will dominate anyone but you have to think that it will be an improvement over last years defense especially if they are not on the field for 45 minutes a game. The LB corp worries me also and I can definatly see why that could potentially be an issue. This is the one place on the Defense where scheme might be an issue simply because there wil be a few guys playing OLB in a 4-3 that were DE's in college.
Now our secondary, they are young particularly the safties. Earl played really well last year. Year 3 usually the year where safties get throuh the learning curve and make the least amount of mistakes. Plus after the Arizona game I think that WR's are beginning to fear him. Brown is now in his 2nd season and played pretty good in the 2nd half of the season. I think that he has to make far fewer mistakes to keep his job as the starting FS otherwise they will give the job to Stone. Our CB's also could be an issue but if PBuc can play just twice as good as he did last year then we can get through.(I know that argument is kinda weak)

Now, does or team need time to gel, heck yeah but it probably won't take that long as we still have a similar corp group of players and the team is excited about the new scheme on Offense. Typically Defenses do not take long to gel so I say by week 6 Our team will be firing on all cylinders. I think your 5-11 predictin is kinda insulting considering our team is better now than it was in '04. I feel that 9-7 is realistc but who's to say they can't go 13-3. No one thought the Chargers could do crud in '04 and they went 12-4. If you are just here to :stirpot: then whatever we need that every once in a while, but if your just pesimistic then try to have a little more faith in your team. We all hope you are wrong and I am sure that you hope you are too. These are the things that keep us going in this dreadfully long offseason.

Runner
06-26-2006, 08:11 AM
Is Influx of New Players driving up unrealistic Expectations?

I hope so. It would would be depressing if the inlfux of new players were lowering our expectations.

HOOK'EM
07-09-2006, 09:14 PM
9-7 in 06'