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TEXANS84
06-15-2006, 09:17 PM
The Titans continue to say they'll be patient with rookie QB Vince Young, but team owner Bud Adams is looking at his calendar. He would like the former Texas star to be his starter on December 10--when the Titans play the Texans in Houston, where Adams lives.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=insidedishownerwantsyoun&prov=tsn&type=lgns

Typical Bud Adams.

Trap_Star
06-15-2006, 09:22 PM
Thats alright. Somebody will be waiting for him...

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060520/i/r1852391545.jpg
"So, should I make it out to VINCE, V.YOUNG, or VY??....."

Wolf
06-15-2006, 09:34 PM
http://texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-06-13-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0169.JPG

*insert young* :heh:

seriously.. should be a good fired up game. It will be interesting on the different style our team will play on both sides of the ball ..also how Chow would run the offense without McNair.

Scooter
06-15-2006, 09:35 PM
i'm almost as big of a vince homer as anyone, but to start him at any point this coming season is IMO a huge mistake. there are just too many risks to take when you dont have to, and spite is deffinately not a good enough reason to take that risk.

i hate bud just like every good houstonian, but being a vince fan, i wouldnt want to risk his developement. tennessee needs time to write a "vince" playbook and acclimate him to the NFL. he's got the skill for it, but i think there are very few that will argue that he's got the head for it at this point. besides, i want vince fully NFL ready when mario knocks his block off.

:fireball: :bowser:

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
06-15-2006, 09:41 PM
If VY is going to start that game I wll get the NFL package from my cable provider just to see Mario eat he alive.Figure it will be Marios 8TH game he will will be ready to realy prove himself to the home fans that VY is not all that.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
06-15-2006, 09:58 PM
I heard ol' Bud wants to have a game played in Royal Memorial in Austin. That's pretty cool.

TexanFan881
06-15-2006, 09:59 PM
Bud needs to do what's better for the team, not himself :rolleyes:

edo783
06-15-2006, 11:06 PM
Was there ever any doubt that Dud would want to do this? He over rode his coaches and made them pick VY just so he could do this. Not a particularly smart thing to do IMO.

texan279
06-15-2006, 11:14 PM
Sure let Young start against us, especially after the tacks lost Brad Hopkins...:drool:

StarStruck
06-16-2006, 01:29 AM
Carr played as a rookie. Let's hope for the Texans sake that if Vince does start it won't be one of his better, pull all rabbits out of the hat days.

Hutch13
06-16-2006, 02:04 AM
Carr played as a rookie. Let's hope for the Texans sake that if Vince does start it won't be one of his better, pull all rabbits out of the hat days.

yes carr played as a rookie but they didnt have a solid backup QB they has the potential to start on a few teams

Hervoyel
06-16-2006, 10:37 AM
Carr played as a rookie. Let's hope for the Texans sake that if Vince does start it won't be one of his better, pull all rabbits out of the hat days.

Yes and it was a terrible mistake IMO for the Texans to do that. Tony Banks should have been fed to the wolves our first season. All Carr learned to do in 2002 was run for his life, eat dirt, and count clouds.

I'm not a Vince fan and I personally hope he busts but not because I'm some kind of UT "hater" or something. I want the Texans to start winning this division and so anybody that Indy, Jax, or Possum Holler drafts I want to see bust. I want to see Mario hit Young so hard that Vince stumbles over to the Texans huddle before the next play. I don't want him to know what state he's in much less which team he plays for.

Having said that I wouldn't wish a "Carr/2002" type of season on anyone. Sure Vince is probably more mobile and prepared to move than Carr was but he's not going to be any more accustomed to the speed of the pro game than DC was when he got here. Tennessee has a better line than we did but it's not the kind of line we all remember the Oilers having. This is an average line at best.

Hookem Horns
06-16-2006, 11:03 AM
Bud's impatient because at his age, every season could be his last.

edo783
06-16-2006, 11:07 AM
Bud's impatient because at his age, every season could be his last.

Geezzz, Hookem, there ya go raising everyones hopes.

ledzeppelin229
06-16-2006, 12:15 PM
Geezzz, Hookem, there ya go raising everyones hopes.

Just think of it as a reason to get up and read the paper everyday.

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2006, 12:38 PM
Now, I'll just plan to bring up my new franchise slowly like this...............over my head...........................


http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/ten/budadamsten.jpg


..............And drop it on my big toe...................just like I used to in Houston.

MikeMc
06-16-2006, 12:55 PM
Well, look how well all that running around in fear and such helped him survive the past 3 seasons! One knock on him was that he was a Cali wussy.......I think he has proven he is a tough SOB!

El Tejano
06-16-2006, 12:57 PM
Now, I'll just plan to bring up my new franchise slowly like this...............over my head...........................


http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/ten/budadamsten.jpg


..............And drop it on my big toe...................just like I used to in Houston.
This post on this thread helped me get what you are saying.

Hulk75
06-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Well, look how well all that running around in fear and such helped him survive the past 3 seasons! One knock on him was that he was a Cali wussy.......I think he has proven he is a tough SOB!
No wussys in California brother:cool: .................But your right he is a tough one.:redtowel:

MikeMc
06-16-2006, 01:36 PM
Well, people in TX think CALI guys are nothing but long haired hippies....I know better, I am a Texan that has been throughout Cali.....but Carr has not lived down the hollywood/long-haired pretty boy stigma.

Hulk75
06-16-2006, 01:38 PM
Like I said I think this was Buds pick, you can not tell me that Norm Chow and the way he runs his Offense wanted Vince over gunslingers Liehnart and Vanderbelt guy(cant believe his name slips my mind right now), he was picked to get at Houston and sale jerseys, he is a good player but I do not think he fit what they were looking for in a QB, Matt could have stepped in there this year the first game and done just fine.

Dont get me wrong I wish all these guys good luck (not when they play us but) BUT Vince has a big mountain to climb, he has never had to learn a Offense like this before, ever, just look at Billy Volek came from Fresno State but they had a Offense like Tennesse runs, came more natural for him.

Hulk75
06-16-2006, 01:44 PM
Well, people in TX think CALI guys are nothing but long haired hippies....I know better, I am a Texan that has been throughout Cali.....but Carr has not lived down the hollywood/long-haired pretty boy stigma.
Comes with the California stigma, your right, just like there is only 2 things in Texas, Steers and............:bananasplit: J/K I respect you guys.

dtran04
06-16-2006, 01:51 PM
I thought it was pretty well known that the GM and Bud made the decision to draft VY. Obviously Chow and Fisher wanted Leinart. Fisher knows he'll probably be out the door by the time VY is ready so he needs to win now.

MikeMc
06-16-2006, 04:26 PM
Hulk, that would be Wyoming...not Texas! We have steers, beers, and careers!

Double Barrel
06-16-2006, 04:41 PM
This 'demand' by Bud doesn't surprise me. And I don't imagine that Coach Fisher is too happy to have an owner dictating who will start and when they will do it.

But hey, division rival, throw him to the wolves as soon as possible. I don't want him to fail because he's Vince Young. I want him to fail because he's a Tennessee Titan! :muscles:

Tale Gator
06-16-2006, 04:56 PM
Say what you will, but having Young starting THIS season in Reliant would be a blast to watch.

Mario vs. Vince round 1... :redtowel:

wags
06-16-2006, 05:01 PM
I don''t think it matters much this year who starts. Both Volek and Vince have the ability to torch our defense.

Hulk75
06-16-2006, 05:04 PM
Hulk, that would be Wyoming...not Texas! We have steers, beers, and careers!


And long haired hippie pretty boys are not from bakersfiled ca, they are in San Fran and San Jose, Bakersfield is half farm town and half city folk, kind of a mix of city and farm land. Not to many places to go surfing, like Santa Cruz.

Now the Board Walk down here is some were that the long haired hippies hang around.

TEXANRED
06-16-2006, 05:58 PM
I don''t think it matters much this year who starts. Both Volek and Vince have the ability to torch our defense.
Maybe last years D. This year we got Williams, Ryan,Weaver,Smith,Babin,Peek,Polk,Orr,Drob, all playing in a D, One under stand and two play to there strengths.:sumo:

Vince is a dead man if he steps onto that field. :hunter: :crutch:

Hookem Horns
06-16-2006, 05:59 PM
Geezzz, Hookem, there ya go raising everyones hopes.

Actually, I want Bud to live as long as possible. When he dies or is committed to an "assisted living" facility that team will be in much better hands (at least that is a good guess, how can you get worse).

srstex
06-16-2006, 09:05 PM
I am just glad Air McNair is in Baltimore so we will never see him more than once a year, unless we meet in the playoffs, because no matter how much you dislike the team McNair is a GREAT player with a will to win like only the great ones have.

:twocents:

TwinSisters
06-17-2006, 04:34 AM
I am not a real big fan of Adams... but there is nothing in the article that is quoting Adams. It looks like a sports hack with hope that Young starts, to have something to talk about.

CloakNNNdagger
06-17-2006, 08:21 AM
I am not a real big fan of Adams... but there is nothing in the article that is quoting Adams. It looks like a sports hack with hope that Young starts, to have something to talk about.

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From ALL HEADLINE NEWS (and this has been quoted in other sources):

Titans Will Replace McNair With Volek, Not Young

June 10, 2006 11:40 a.m. EST


Matthew Smith - All Headline News Contributor
Nashville, TN (AHN) - The Tennessee Titans have named Billy Volek as the starting quarterback for the 2006 season.

The Titans traded franchise quarterback Steve McNair to Baltimore on Thursday. At the 2006 draft, they selected Texas quarterback Vince Young as the No. 3 overall pick to make him the quarterback of the future.

For now, Volek will assume duties behind center. The 2000 undrafted free agent had his best season in 2004, passing for 18 touchdowns and nearly 2,500 yards.

Titans coach Jeff Fisher said Thursday, "Let's face it. You're going to see [Young] on the field this year. Where and when and how, I can't be specific, but you're going to see him on the field at some time.

"How things are going to unfold, I can't be specific. But I can say Billy is going to line up as our starter. He inherits the role now, and we're getting Vince ready to play as quickly as we can."

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If this didn't come directly from Big BUD, Fisher by now would have had his lips superglued and a cork up his @ss, with Bud asking repeatedly "Who's your Daddy?"

TwinSisters
06-17-2006, 04:48 PM
If this didn't come directly from Big BUD, Fisher by now would have had his lips superglued and a cork up his @ss, with Bud asking repeatedly "Who's your Daddy?"

I know.. I saw this same line in a series of interviews that Fisher gave out to NFL Network and the team press release. He starts out talking about how Volek is the starter and Vince will be groomed. Then he comes out and says that he'll try to work Vince into some type of role while he is being groomed.

Most of Fisher's press releases are talking about Volek as the quarterback ( when he is talking about QBs and the upcoming season ).

I couldn't find a single news clipping anywhere quoting Bud Adams or even talking about Bud Adams recently. If Bud would have said this you would have to expect to find some kinda mini-parade going on. But there isn't anything else on the wire about it. I am just saying, it doesn't look like healthy journalism.

(on the importance of reps for the starting quarterback)

What happens is the starter gets 60 or 70% of the reps and we divide up the rest. So, Billy hasnít had the numbers and itís going to really help him. Todayís a good example, in the 7-on-7 (passing drill), I donít think he threw a ball that hit the ground today. Itís only going to help him as we push through this.

All he ever talks about is Volek. The context here is McNair left.

Texans_Chick
06-17-2006, 07:12 PM
Kevin Mawae-NFL Player journal (http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=20714&section=journal)

Well, we finished another OTA day at the Titans today. Not much to report, just another day at work! Everyone wants to know about Vince Young. Now that it's for sure McNair won't be here they are even more interested. I can't comment on wether or not he will start but he is a great athlete with a good head on his shoulders. For now though, this is Volek's team.

CloakNNNdagger
06-17-2006, 10:14 PM
I know.. I saw this same line in a series of interviews that Fisher gave out to NFL Network and the team press release. He starts out talking about how Volek is the starter and Vince will be groomed. Then he comes out and says that he'll try to work Vince into some type of role while he is being groomed.

Most of Fisher's press releases are talking about Volek as the quarterback ( when he is talking about QBs and the upcoming season ).

I couldn't find a single news clipping anywhere quoting Bud Adams or even talking about Bud Adams recently. If Bud would have said this you would have to expect to find some kinda mini-parade going on. But there isn't anything else on the wire about it. I am just saying, it doesn't look like healthy journalism.



All he ever talks about is Volek. The context here is McNair left.


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I know where you're coming from. But when the draft was coming up, there were no direct quotes to Bud's preference for Young either. There were many references though to the dichotomy which existed between Bud and Fischer and company as concerned the pick of Young over Leinart. It was clear that Bud had "overruled" others, and "forced" the pick........without a direct quote from "The Man."

Texas
06-18-2006, 02:13 AM
Let williams take him apart...Hey whos that dark black swole mean lookin fool?

TwinSisters
06-18-2006, 02:40 AM
The way the draft went down for the Titans' was that most likely Fisher and Chow were leaning Leinert and Reese/Adams were leaning Young ( they were taking a QB no matter what ). So it wasn't like a typical Bud Adams thing. That's your Number 1 football guy the Director versus your number 2 HC. Fisher doesn't captain that ship, nor has he ever.

Reese is responsible for all aspects of the Titans’ football operations, including player personnel, scouting and contract negotiations. He joined the Oilers in 1986, serving as linebackers coach four seasons before shifting to the front office in 1990 as the club’s Assistant General Manager.
From Titan's HQ

It's not like we are dealing with Fisher and Chow as stand up "pure" football calls either, both of them are from USC. Reese is UCLA and Adams is a UT man ( all of his kids went to UT ). He's on record talking about it along with Reese ( just the selection of Young, not the in-house debate ).

It's not a big surprise that White was taken in the second round either.

McNair and Dan Reeves are Carolina men. Hell they might have even known each other in school?!?! Not sure never looked... but I heard what was going down when Reeves was brought in for consul. Casserly did not go to a major football school and his daughter attends a DC school.

This is not to say alumni control the world ( just in case a conspiracy nut is trying to decode this message ), but they play a part.
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DISCLAIMER:
Under no circumstances should this disclaimer be seperated from the context of this thread. I am not defending Adams. I am merely talking about football and news. There are 1,003 real reasons Adams is a blatant idiot, you don't have to make up imaginary ones. Sure Bud wants to beat the Texans, but that's only because he wants to win the Super Bowl. He's not clever enough to want to rub Houston. He's just a bungeling oaf.

POST-POST-DISCLAIMER:
I am actually not even sure if Stanely wants to win a Super Bowl. To be honest somebody most likely just told him that's what you want to do and he just went along with it.

Hervoyel
06-19-2006, 12:25 AM
I don''t think it matters much this year who starts. Both Volek and Vince have the ability to torch our defense.


I just don't see it. Volek maybe but Young? No way in hell he's "torching" anything as a rookie. Keep in mind that Young is going to be a rookie and rookie QB's don't light anybody up. Elway didn't light anybody up as a rookie and Peyton Manning was pretty mortal as a rookie. Vick didn't either.

Young might be everything his fans say he is but next year he's a rookie QB and he's going to be challenged by anyone with a halfway decent defense and I don't see the Texans having any trouble fielding at least a halfway decent defense. The best defense this team has ever fielded was in 2002 and that was whipped up out of an expansion draft and thin air by Vic Fangio. I can only assume he hadn't had enough time to really get them doing things his way that year because they were pretty good. I expect much better from this, more talented and presumably better coached group. They'll tear Young up and if Tennessee doesn't have their pass protection together next year Volek will do about the same.

HOOK'EM
06-19-2006, 04:46 AM
VY to start agianst us in Dec. Ha, thats great by then our D will be kickin' ***.Vince better be ready to try to pull something out because he's going to need it with the *** whiping he's got coming from Mario! V Bust will never be more than hope for that organization, Great pick Bud!:confused:



Forever:logo:

HOOK'EM
06-19-2006, 05:23 AM
Just woundering, is Dec. 10th Battle Red Day? Maybe we will be wearing our whites, by the end our the game it will look like our D is wearing the Battle Reds with Youngs blood. :logo:

edo783
06-19-2006, 08:44 AM
Maybe we will be wearing our whites. :logo:

Come on man, you know ya can't wear white after labor day!:rolleyes:

wags
06-19-2006, 01:38 PM
No way in hell he's "torching" anything as a rookie. Keep in mind that Young is going to be a rookie and rookie QB's don't light anybody up.

Ryan Fitzpatrick anyone?


The one thing I worry about with Young is that to stop him we need a spy. We need someone with speed WHO CAN TACKLE. Greenwood has speed but he's about as physical as a dead fish handshake. Our safeties are brutal at taking bad angles. Who's our Polamalu?

BTW I hope you're right.

CloakNNNdagger
06-19-2006, 04:16 PM
This 'demand' by Bud doesn't surprise me. And I don't imagine that Coach Fisher is too happy to have an owner dictating who will start and when they will do it.

But hey, division rival, throw him to the wolves as soon as possible. I don't want him to fail because he's Vince Young. I want him to fail because he's a Tennessee Titan! :muscles:

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Throwing him to the dogs is exactly what it'll be like. Young will have a much more difficult time of it adjusting to his new NFL status. Remember, he was brought up as a "shotgun" QB....................and in a ONE READ system. Under center will be a whole new world. You don't have the luxury of time and seeing the field in panarama. It's difficult enough for a rookie coming from a pro offense school to adapt to the speed of the NFL game. Take one that's not used to sniffing the center's but in college, and the game will seem as though it is passing the speed of light. If Young is put in this year, he will be counting clouds while smelling the bad breath of many a D player.

real
06-19-2006, 04:26 PM
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Throwing him to the dogs is exactly what it'll be like. Young will have a much more difficult time of it adjusting to his new NFL status. Remember, he was brought up as a "shotgun" QB....................and in a ONE READ system. Under center will be a whole new world. You don't have the luxury of time and seeing the field in panarama. It's difficult enough for a rookie coming from a pro offense school to adapt to the speed of the NFL game. Take one that's not used to sniffing the center's but in college, and the game will seem as though it is passing the speed of light. If Young is put in this year, he will be counting clouds while smelling the bad breath of many a D player.

If you don't like a player just say it instead of beating around the bush with meaningless babble...Who cares if he rarely was under center in college...so what...Have you seen him play...ever??? ...All players leaving college for the NFL will be asked to do something they aren't used to doing...You are acting like last year he was playing touch football...this is the same guy that won the N'tl championship...Yes he will have to adjust to taking more snaps under center, but I seriously doubt that will make or break him as a QB...

Hulk75
06-19-2006, 04:34 PM
If you don't like a player just say it instead of beating around the bush with meaningless babble...Who cares if he rarely was under center in college...so what...Have you seen him play...ever??? ...All players leaving college for the NFL will be asked to do something they aren't used to doing...You are acting like last year he was playing touch football...this is the same guy that won the N'tl championship...Yes he will have to adjust to taking more snaps under center, but I seriously doubt that will make or break him as a QB...
It is a bigger problem then you think............NOT huge but it is something he will have to get used to............The Offense he ran at UT and the one he is running now are night and day, I am sure they will have Draws and designed runs for him, but as for dropping back hitting is back foot ball out, is going to be hard.
Those videos of him dropping back in practice, he is really off balance, and for a QB your feet is what really make or break your throw, I dont care how it comes out if your feet are not right you will have major problems.

Hervoyel
06-19-2006, 04:43 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick anyone?

True, he "lit up" the worst team in the NFL and then led the Rams to three straight losses on his way to throwing 4 TD's and 8 picks last year.

I do not expect the Texans to be the worst team in the NFL next year by a long shot. I know I'm right on this. There's no reason to fear Vince Young in 2006. Later maybe, next year no way.

CloakNNNdagger
06-19-2006, 05:12 PM
If you don't like a player just say it instead of beating around the bush with meaningless babble...Who cares if he rarely was under center in college...so what...Have you seen him play...ever??? ...All players leaving college for the NFL will be asked to do something they aren't used to doing...You are acting like last year he was playing touch football...this is the same guy that won the N'tl championship...Yes he will have to adjust to taking more snaps under center, but I seriously doubt that will make or break him as a QB...

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Meaningless babble?? I see. I guess it's easier to avoid facing reasonable concerns of how prepared Young is to start THIS YEAR (that is the point to this thread) than addressing the facts as they stand. I believe that Young could develop into a fine NFL QB.........but that won't be evident THIS YEAR ....for the mere fact that he is a ROOKIE compounded by the reasons
I've already mentioned. And yes, being from Houston, I've seen him play, and that is from which my opinion or, as it has been referred to "meaningless babble," is based.

Double Barrel
06-19-2006, 06:12 PM
Beyond taking snaps from shotgun, I'd say the biggest concerns are Young's tendency to run (instead of scramble behind the line waiting for a receiver to get open) and those nice, fluffy air balls he has a tendency to throw under pressure.

Of course, these are things that can be worked on. And Young will [eventually] be a player that we'll have to worry about twice a year. But not this year, not as a rookie struggling to learn the complexities of an NFL offense.

We've got some breathing room with this season, but I have little doubt that we'll see Vince Young gaining ground in our rearview mirror over the next couple of seasons. I hope Mario Williams is gaining the same ground, though, because it could be like a heavyweight title fight. As an NFL fan, I relish the thought. :thumbup

DominickDavisFan76
06-19-2006, 08:44 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick anyone?


The one thing I worry about with Young is that to stop him we need a spy. We need someone with speed WHO CAN TACKLE. Greenwood has speed but he's about as physical as a dead fish handshake. Our safeties are brutal at taking bad angles. Who's our Polamalu?

BTW I hope you're right.


Our Polamalu is C.C. Brown, hard hitter and has a nose for the ball.

powerfuldragon
06-20-2006, 09:18 AM
who'll be first to hit him? Super Mario? Babin? Weaver? Payne? Demeco? Wong? Greenwood? Peek?

Frills
06-20-2006, 09:19 AM
Show blitz back off into a zone.

Mabye throw in a zone blitz, let him beat himself.

HOOK'EM
06-20-2006, 10:45 AM
We will NEVER have to worry about Vince........given a couple years of beat downs, Fisher will be fired, Floyd will be fired, & best of all that punk VY will officially be ruled a BUST! :yahoo: So no worries, just domination for years to come over the flaming meatballs!

ExistentialistMZ
06-20-2006, 12:33 PM
Carr played as a rookie. Let's hope for the Texans sake that if Vince does start it won't be one of his better, pull all rabbits out of the hat days.

:hides:


look the reality is that the teams with better QB's didn't force the rookies to start right off the bat.

Doug Pederson sucked, but he knew the system and taught McNabb.
Randall Cunningham and Brad Johnson taught Culpepper.
Eli manning learned from Kurt Warner...

The point is that you don't need a super star QB to teach a QB how to play. They should have brought in a vet or a guy that knew that style system already.

Billy Volek has played well for the Titans when he could. But Vince Young is going to be a superstar. And he will learn. I imagine he will teach the Texans a lesson.

El Tejano
06-20-2006, 01:01 PM
I just know that Mcnair played very well when he started and I don't think Vince will do any worse. I think if he gets in the secondary he will be gone so our LBs better be prepared.

real
06-20-2006, 02:35 PM
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Meaningless babble?? I see. I guess it's easier to avoid facing reasonable concerns of how prepared Young is to start THIS YEAR (that is the point to this thread) than addressing the facts as they stand. I believe that Young could develop into a fine NFL QB.........but that won't be evident THIS YEAR ....for the mere fact that he is a ROOKIE compounded by the reasons
I've already mentioned. And yes, being from Houston, I've seen him play, and that is from which my opinion or, as it has been referred to "meaningless babble," is based.

Im just saying that ppl have a tendancy to over criticize players...Especially VY...My point is...Every rookie will have to adjust to new things...I never said VY is gonna tear up the leauge this year....And yes you stated a fact...he took most of his snaps under center...But everything afterthat was pure opinionated criticism...and you all are free to doubt whomever you please to, but IMO, Vince will do whatever he has to to win...

MorKnolle
06-20-2006, 07:08 PM
We will NEVER have to worry about Vince........given a couple years of beat downs, Fisher will be fired, Floyd will be fired, & best of all that punk VY will officially be ruled a BUST! :yahoo: So no worries, just domination for years to come over the flaming meatballs!

My current prediction is that Fisher and Chow will end up leaving Tennessee after this season, Adams will bring in some new coach and force him to create a system for Vince, and Chow will go to the Cardinals to resume coaching Leinart and eventually take over for Dennis Green when he retires, and Leinart will have two big, Pro-Bowl WRs and a Pro Bowl RB back in Chow's system. Fisher will move on and coach somewhere else.

Titan "Tack" Fan
06-23-2006, 03:21 PM
Well we are hoping that he doesn't start for the whole year. I don't want to see VY on the field during regular season play until '07! (unless Billy goes winless or something crazy like that)

But we have faith in Billy over here in TN.

HJam72
06-23-2006, 04:32 PM
My current prediction is that Fisher and Chow will end up leaving Tennessee after this season...

HUGE mistake by Bud and, yeah, it might happen. Jeff Fisher is one of the best and Tennessee may never be the same without him. As a Texan fan, I can't help hoping it happens.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2006, 04:42 PM
I love that new commercial Fisher is in with the fan on the sidelines. Fisher is a terrific coach in my opinion.

HOOK'EM
06-25-2006, 05:04 AM
Hey El Tejano, Don't forget McNair rode the pine about 4 seasons before he took over the QB position. Actually he was nothing more than average (as a passer) till about his 9th or 10th year in the league, when he made his first probowl. Eddie George carried that team and everyone knew that the ONLY way to beat them was to try to stop George. McNair was No threat, bottom line is your boy Vince is going to be the biggest bust of the 06' Draft!

aj.
06-25-2006, 06:00 AM
McNair had 2 starts his rookie season, 4 starts his sophomore season, and he took over as full time starter on Week 1 of his third season. He passed for over 3200 yards in his fourth season.

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2006, 11:54 AM
McNair had 2 starts his rookie season, 4 starts his sophomore season, and he took over as full time starter on Week 1 of his third season. He passed for over 3200 yards in his fourth season.


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I agree, aj. But it's hard not to factor in the fact that at that time, he had a pretty well established OL, and one heck of a RB......a supporting staff never hurts.....and I'm not so sure that the Titans will afford Young that luxury this season.

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2006, 08:46 PM
YOUNG (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3999610.html) , in this most recent article states thathe wants to "be well prepared" before taking over.........but reading between the lines, he wants to be starter from day 1............and so on goes the saga.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2006, 05:28 PM
The Titans as this article implies would best be served to wait until Young’s “colleg-Happy Feet” are joined by a “pro-Happy Arm” and “pro-Happy Brains.”

The NFL eductation of Vince Young (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13493651/) ONE DAY Will culminate in graduation. "He'll play when he's ready," say Titans coaches — pick one, any one — over and over. Says Fisher: "That can be as soon as the opener this year or as far as the opener two or three years from now."

axman40
06-26-2006, 06:04 PM
I put my money on Dec. 10 and will be there to witness!

:fireball: :bowser:

Double Barrel
06-26-2006, 06:09 PM
That would be one helluva' game if VY is starting by then. I could probably sell my ticket and buy that shiny, new Playstation 3!

naaaaaah! No way. It's mine! :texflag:

CloakNNNdagger
07-04-2006, 09:16 AM
An interesting take from Profootball Talk about what's going on with the Titans in 2006. Of course, they don't seem to be that pumped up with what to expect from the Texans either.:

The Tennessee Titans.

Where do we start? Floyd Reese is still the G.M. That's strike one, strike two, and a foul tip that the catcher couldn't find a way to squeeze.

We've said it before and we're sure we'll say it again and again: How does this guy continue to be employed? The Titans perpetually are struggling with cap issues, and they perpetually are pushing salary problems into future years. Reese capped off a pathetic 5-11 mark in 2004 by cutting most of the team's talented veterans, and he then responded to a 4-12 debacle in 2005 by playing chicken for three months with former franchise quarterback Steve McNair.

We like the give-and-take that can arise in a system where the head coach and the G.M. seem to be, for the most part, on relatively equal footing, but periodic consensus is vital. As to Reese and Jeff Fisher, we doubt that they would be on the same page while reading the contents of a fortune cookie.

In 2005, Fisher wanted to draft cornerback Antrel Rolle, and Reese wanted Pacman Jones. Reese won, the team lost.

This time around, Fisher and offensive coordinator Norm Chow wanted quarterback Matt Leinart. Reese wanted Vince Young. Reese won again.

Indeed, the fact that the Titans actually made it to a Super Bowl on Reese's watch tells us that Fisher is one of the truly great coaches in the game. For example, only one year before Tennessee won the AFC championship game, Reese drafted receiver Kevin Dyson -- while Randy Moss was still on the board. (Sure, plenty of teams missed out on Moss, but only the then-Oilers allowed Moss to continue his slide while drafting a guy who plays the same position.)

The focal point of the team's offseason was McNair. In lieu of cutting him loose early, the team paid $1 million for the privilege of not exercising a $50 million option bonus that would have extended his deal beyond 2006. (Actually, it's our understanding that the Titans managed to relieve themselves of the obligation to pay the $1 million to McNair via the deal that sent him to Baltimore.) Then, the issue turned uglier than Bud Adams in a low-cut evening gown when the team politely asked McNair to get the hell out of the facility in early April, triggering a grievance that was as protracted as it was, in the end, pointless.

With McNair gone, the job falls to this decade's Cody Carlson -- Billy Volek, who if he isn't keeping the seat warm for Vince Young he's keeping it warm for Kerry Collins.

The whole McNair-Volek-Young situation in Tennessee has overshadowed the rest of the team's offseason, which has included the acquisition of high-profile free agents like linebacker David Thornton, center Kevin Mawae, receiver David Givens, and safety Chris Hope. Whether the money devoted to each of these guys is deserved doesn't matter -- Reese was simply happy to be able to spend after years of having to cut.

In addition to snagging the dude with the Uncle Rico delivery at the top of round one, the Titans might have scored the steal of the draft by getting running back LenDale White in round two. If White ever realizes that work ethic means a lot at this level.

If White can't get it done, who will? Travis Henry is a puff of second-hand doobie away from a one-year suspension, and he otherwise didn't do much in the games for which he was available after being traded to Tennessee last year, gaining less than 350 yards and earning only one start. And if Chris Brown were the long-term answer, the team wouldn't have traded for Henry last year or drafted White this year.

The receiving corps isn't terrible, with Givens, Drew Bennett, and Tyrone Calico at the top of the chart. But their effectiveness will depend in large part on who's throwing the ball, and who's protecting him. The interior of the offensive line is decent, but there's only one tackle on the roster with more than one year of NFL playing time. And the guy in question, Jacob Bell, has a whopping two years of experience.

While the team's long-term potential might be better on offense, the Titans currently are much stronger on the defensive side of the ball. But not by much. The unit was ranked tenth in the conference in 2005. But there's a chance that Thornton and Hope benefited from their roles on defenses with a higher quality of player, and that neither will be as good in their new home as they were in their old cities. There's still a chance that the Titans could land cornerback Ty Law with part of that $9 million cap bulge resulting from the departure of Steve McNair, but Law's price tag won't get realistic until training camps open, at the earliest.

Bottom line? The Titans will be jostling with the Houston Texans and the Buffalo Bills at the bottom of the conference in 2006. Things could improve come 2007 -- especially if Floyd Reese finally gets a long overdue heave-ho.

Now, the fantasy grades.

Quarterback: Billy Volek gets a C, if he gets the job. Keep an eye on whether Kerry Collins comes to town. In a keeper league, it might be wise to burn a pick on Uncle Rico; he likely won't see the field this year unless and until injury strikes or the team is out of the running for the postseason. And if he does play in 2006, it's hard to expect him to do much of anything as a rookie.

Running back: Chris Brown has rushed for more than 1,900 yards over the past two seasons combined, but the team keeps looking for reasons to bench him. He'll have a hard time winning the starting job with Travis Henry and LenDale White on his heels. And even if Brown is the starter, he likely lose some touches (especially around the goal line) to White. So give Brown a B- and hold a flier pick for White, who could be a touchdown machine as a rookie. (If he can avoid re-bruising his vagina.)

Wide receiver: No one caught more than 60 passes or generated more than 750 receiving yards for the Titans in 2005, and that was with McNair throwing passes. Drew Bennett was the most productive, and he's likely to get plenty of opportunities this year with defenses focusing on newcomer David Givens. We'll give Bennett a C+. But since Givens' stats were almost virtually identical to Bennett's in 2005, he gets a C+ too.

Tight end: If Erron Kinney and Ben Troupe were one dude, we'd give him an A. Each had 55 catches, and each had a hair under 550 yards receiving in 2005. As it stands, we'd be inclined to use a third receiver in lieu of drafting either guy.

Defense: Falls squarely into the crapshoot category.

Kicker: Rob Bironas won the job as a rookie, converting 23 of 29 field goal attempts and 30 of 32 extra point tries. His 99 points were 21st among kickers. So unless you're in a league with at least 22 teams, you can do better. He gets an F.

Texans_Chick
07-04-2006, 12:02 PM
An interesting take from Profootball Talk about what's going on with the Titans in 2006. Of course, they don't seem to be that pumped up with what to expect from the Texans either.:



That was pretty funny. Hey this is a part of their preseason power rankings--given that Buffalo, GB and the Titans are getting ripped as the worst teams in the league is a refreshing change for us.