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baba ganoush
06-13-2006, 05:27 PM
as of now since jerome mathis is injured...who is the fastest player on the texans roster??? i think its either AJ, Drob or PBuh...

WiiBrawler
06-13-2006, 05:35 PM
pbuc is the fastest, then Johnson, then D-Rob

Bullpen Drew
06-13-2006, 05:37 PM
as of now since jerome mathis is injured...who is the fastest player on the texans roster??? i think its either AJ, Drob or PBuh...
Fastest on a motorcycle or on foot?

U4ikrob
06-13-2006, 05:50 PM
Hmm I thought Kendrick Starling was the next fastest on the team after Mathis?

infantrycak
06-13-2006, 05:55 PM
Philip Buchanon had a 4.31 -- NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/buchanon_phillip.htm)

AJ was in the 4.3's (if I recall a 4.34 or so with a report from the track guys of having run as fast as 4.27) -- NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/johnson_andre)

"Won the Big East indoor 60-meter title and the outdoor 100-meter dash title in 2002." AJ looks like he is slower over the 1st few yards but gets to a higher top speed IMO.

Dunta Robinson had a 4.34 -- NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson)

TexanFan881
06-13-2006, 06:01 PM
Chris McKenzie :superman: :redtowel: :texflag:

Texas
06-13-2006, 06:33 PM
Mathis - Pbuc-AJ

HeartofHouston
06-13-2006, 08:27 PM
Mathis > P-Buc > A.J.

HJam72
06-13-2006, 08:34 PM
I'd have to say Todd Wade. :thankyou:

nunusguy
06-13-2006, 08:35 PM
Chris McKenzie :superman: :redtowel: :texflag:
"McKenzie came to Arizona State from Glendale (Ariz.) Community College, where he earned first-team All-America honors by the NJCAA and was selected second-team All-America by JC Gridwire as a sophomore in 2002. He was the Region I Player of the Year and Region MVP on defense and was nominated for Junior College Player of the Year honors that season. "Chris is the fastest football player I've ever seen," says Glendale College head coach Joe Kersting. "He may be the fastest player in football on any college level. We have timed him in the 4.1s in the 40-yard dash."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/mckenzie_chris

TexanFan881
06-13-2006, 09:06 PM
"McKenzie came to Arizona State from Glendale (Ariz.) Community College, where he earned first-team All-America honors by the NJCAA and was selected second-team All-America by JC Gridwire as a sophomore in 2002. He was the Region I Player of the Year and Region MVP on defense and was nominated for Junior College Player of the Year honors that season. "Chris is the fastest football player I've ever seen," says Glendale College head coach Joe Kersting. "He may be the fastest player in football on any college level. We have timed him in the 4.1s in the 40-yard dash."

Exactly. The bolded part I had for my sig for a little bit too :redtowel: I think he could make an impact at corner because of his jumping ability and speed, but I think he could be a good replacement while Mathis is out.

SAMURAITEXAN
06-13-2006, 11:04 PM
I'd have to say Todd Wade. :thankyou:
Yeah! I think Todd Wade had 3.2 10yds.:whistle:

powerfuldragon
06-13-2006, 11:36 PM
Chad Stanley.

YoungTexanFan
06-13-2006, 11:58 PM
We have timed him in the 4.1s in the 40-yard dash."


:challenge :challenge :challenge


Anyone else not believe this?

Meloy
06-14-2006, 01:44 PM
The trainer taking Tylenol to Carr.

ojthecat
06-14-2006, 02:00 PM
The beer man in Joe Texan's section.

HARRYJ
06-14-2006, 02:02 PM
The beer man in Joe Texan's section.

Whoever the Eagles are chasing on opening day!:francis:

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-14-2006, 04:28 PM
Just a quick FYI. Walter has been clocked under 4.4 (I believe about 3.8) in the 40 as well. so we have 3+ speedy receivers on the squad.

infantrycak
06-14-2006, 04:32 PM
Just a quick FYI. Walter has been clocked under 4.4 (I believe about 3.8) in the 40 as well. so we have 3+ speedy receivers on the squad.

Got any kind of source for that?

His NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/walter_kevin) prospect profile gives his pro-day result at 4.56.

Lucky
06-14-2006, 04:41 PM
Philip Buchanon had a 4.31 -- NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/buchanon_phillip.htm)

NFL.com also has P-Burnt with a 39-inch arm length. Are you kidding me? How can he run a 4.31 with his knuckles dragging the ground? Just another reason why I take these workout numbers with a pinch of salt between my cheek & gums.

powerfuldragon
06-14-2006, 04:42 PM
4.31 40 time, 39.75 inch arms... how is he not one of the best corners on earth?

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-14-2006, 04:47 PM
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YoungTexanFan
06-14-2006, 04:53 PM
4.31 40 time, 39.75 inch arms... how is he not one of the best corners on earth?

His aggressive style did not fit the system and the coaches refused to adjust to fit his talent. That is the thing about Buchanon that most people don't realize...he has more physical talent than Daunta. He isn't afraid to tackle, but he has been working extra in practice on it as he said himself. He's a playmaker, and in the right system he will flourish.

CloakNNNdagger
06-14-2006, 04:57 PM
Got any kind of source for that?

His NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/walter_kevin) prospect profile gives his pro-day result at 4.56.

Must agree.........KW has been called ......Not at all explosive and more a possession receiver than a dangerous threat.

stevo3883
06-14-2006, 08:32 PM
His aggressive style did not fit the system and the coaches refused to adjust to fit his talent. That is the thing about Buchanon that most people don't realize...he has more physical talent than Daunta. He isn't afraid to tackle, but he has been working extra in practice on it as he said himself. He's a playmaker, and in the right system he will flourish.

Dunta is a LOT stronger than buchanon.

YoungTexanFan
06-14-2006, 11:58 PM
Dunta is a LOT stronger than buchanon.

Not really, he just hits harder. There is a big difference in strength and hitting someone as they are turning around. I love Daunta, and he is a stud, but Buchanon is a better athlete.

BigTimeTexanFan
06-15-2006, 12:33 AM
While hitting has a lot to do with speed and weight(force), I was told when I played that a hard hit also had a lot to do with your core muscles such as abs, obliques, etc... Not sure how accurate this is, but it I guess it makes sense. Just thought I would throw that in there:bananasplit:

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-15-2006, 12:25 PM
Must agree.........KW has been called ......Not at all explosive and more a possession receiver than a dangerous threat.

Never said explosive, just stating that he is in the same speed league as most of the other WRs here. Don't sell the guy short, I saw him blow past Champ Bailey on Monday night football against Denver.

I am a true believer that you do not have to have explosive speed to be a starting WR in the NFL. YOU NEED TO CATCH THE BALL FIRST, then make things happen.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-15-2006, 12:36 PM
Must agree.........KW has been called ......Not at all explosive and more a possession receiver than a dangerous threat.

isn't a possession recevied a dangerours threat?

I did not see anything written about him being "Not at all explosive"

Tireless worker with a fearless attitude Adjusts smoothly to the off-target throws Has the burst needed to gain separation after the catch Does not shy away from the crowd, using his hands well to force his way through traffic Plants and drives sharply on deep routes Excels at coming across the middle for hitch and screen passes, gaining a good portion of his yardage after the catch thanks to his array of spin moves and fluid hip swerve Can create space underneath and knows how to drive towards the sidelines in clock management Flashes to the ball with his hands properly extended and never hesitates going over the middle for the ball Shows the athletic ability and toughness to adjust to the ball and take it away from the defender Also excels as a gunner on special teams.
And this is written when he came out of college. I know for a fact he works hard in the offseason on speed to make him a faster runner. He was running under the "4.56" when the combine was going on.

infantrycak
06-15-2006, 12:40 PM
I know for a fact he works hard in the offseason on speed to make him a faster runner. He was running under the "4.56" when the combine was going on.

CnD and I weren't doubting his ability as a WR--just asking for a source on your report of sub 4.4 speed. The 4.56 came from his pro-day which happened after the combine. That's perfectly fine speed--Rice and Boldin were both 4.6 to 4.7 timed guys coming out of college.

Scooter
06-15-2006, 01:08 PM
His aggressive style did not fit the system and the coaches refused to adjust to fit his talent. That is the thing about Buchanon that most people don't realize...he has more physical talent than Daunta. He isn't afraid to tackle, but he has been working extra in practice on it as he said himself. He's a playmaker, and in the right system he will flourish.

while i'm not nearly as versed as many of our older posters, i have never seen a cornerback in the NFL, including buchannon, with the closing speed that dunta has ... ofcourse i've only really been a fan (again) for the last 5 or 6 years. if there's a footrace to a ball in flight, dunta's going to win it. as for buchannon "isnt afraid to tackle" ... he IS afraid to tackle. that's why he's working so hard on it. he's using repetition to form a habit of hitting face up & eyes open to try and overcome that fear. dunta has the opposite problem, he's looking more for the collision than the tackle which has lead to some great hits, but also to missed tackles.

Meloy
06-15-2006, 04:05 PM
NFL.com also has P-Burnt with a 39-inch arm length. Are you kidding me? How can he run a 4.31 with his knuckles dragging the ground? Just another reason why I take these workout numbers with a pinch of salt between my cheek & gums.Knuckles do not drag, he holds the matador flag in both hands way up high. Okay, I'll stop now.

TK_Gamer
06-16-2006, 05:15 AM
arms? physical? who cares! its heart that makes a defensive player, heart and instinct. the good news is, you can get back your heart and instinct if you really want to. hopefully thats what pbuc is working on now.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-16-2006, 09:57 AM
arms? physical? who cares! its heart that makes a defensive player, heart and instinct. the good news is, you can get back your heart and instinct if you really want to. hopefully thats what pbuc is working on now.


Definitely Heart and instinct..... AND a little bit of craziness!!!! I think the level of craziness varies from position...

Defensive Line.... Most craziness
Linebackers.... Moderate to high craziness
Safeties... insane (because you have to be able to T-off on a moving target coming your way.)
Cornerbacks... Controlled craziness (you have to stay focused so not to get burned)

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-16-2006, 10:06 AM
CnD and I weren't doubting his ability as a WR--just asking for a source on your report of sub 4.4 speed. The 4.56 came from his pro-day which happened after the combine. That's perfectly fine speed--Rice and Boldin were both 4.6 to 4.7 timed guys coming out of college.

You are right, and I knew there needed to be a link as I like that from the moderators here for integrity.

Unfortunately, there is nothing published because I am a friend and work with his dad. So I keep up with his offseason workouts and his career since high school.

Am I bias YES, but more so I am an educated Professional Football Fan most of all. I am a Bears fan for 25 years, but I have been a Giants, Bengals, and now a Texans fan. And I have to say, I am starting to like the fans here and the team more than my beloved Bears. I am so excited about this team this year with all the moves. Kevin went to Cinci after their 2-14 season and had a team makeover when Lewis became Headcoach. I see this team with the same characteristics as the Bengal and look where they were last season.

I see the talent on this team (individually) and if they can gel and get on the same page by game 2 or 3, I see NO reason why they will not be able to end up 8-8 or better.

Last year teams would only have to gameplan for 1 thing, make Carr beat us with the pass. They would put 8 and 10 people in the box. Montana would not have been able to get out of that in his prime, much less Carr.

With the weapons added with Moulds, Walter, Putzier, and the offensive linemen. this is a offense that can be 15 or higher in the NFL IMO.

With the depth and new scheme on defense, they will be able to rotate players in to be fresh when it comes to the 4th quarter when the other team's offense is tired.

Why is the Bears defense soo good? because they are fresh in the middle of that defensive line. Fresh bodies on the dline is a definite advantage especially late in the game.

bigbrewster2000
06-16-2006, 10:55 AM
Must agree.........KW has been called ......Not at all explosive and more a possession receiver than a dangerous threat.

Actually KW is explosive off the ball. He has a great 1st step and is almost instantly at his top speed. He gets guys out of their back pedal quickly and creates space in front of him thus making him a good posession guy. And be more specific with that dangerous threat. Michael Irvin was a very dagerous threat but he was a posession reciever.

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2006, 11:29 AM
CnD and I weren't doubting his ability as a WR--just asking for a source on your report of sub 4.4 speed. The 4.56 came from his pro-day which happened after the combine. That's perfectly fine speed--Rice and Boldin were both 4.6 to 4.7 timed guys coming out of college.


As infantrycak states, I responded to the comment of Walter's SPEED in context................He does not have explosive SPEED and he is not a runaway type of SPEED threat. That said, I am high on Walter and feel that he will provide another powerful bullet in the Texans' gun.

stevo3883
06-16-2006, 11:36 AM
Not really, he just hits harder. There is a big difference in strength and hitting someone as they are turning around. I love Daunta, and he is a stud, but Buchanon is a better athlete.

no, he is physically stronger. just off of memory dunta was high teens in BP at the combine, while buchanon was in single digits. add in his much more physical play, and i don't see how you can argue otherwise.