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Eyeguy
06-12-2006, 11:34 PM
Denver has a 19 win 6 loss record in preseason since 2000. I am wondering if Kubes will use preseason to look at players or teach his team to win.

Denver Record in Preseason

2000 4-0
2001 3-1
2002 3-1
2003 3-1
2004 2-3
2005 4-0

We could be out for blood from day one.

WiiBrawler
06-12-2006, 11:36 PM
I hope he teaches them to win, we need a winning attitude here!

Hutch13
06-12-2006, 11:42 PM
its preseason it doesnt matter if you win or lose its where the starters plays 1 quarter its all about getting the young guys some experience and position battles

HJam72
06-12-2006, 11:49 PM
its preseason it doesnt matter if you win or lose its where the starters plays 1 quarter its all about getting the young guys some experience and position battles

After last year (and preseason), I just wanta see wins. Starter for starter, bench player for bench player, let's just beat somebody.

bayoudreamn
06-12-2006, 11:52 PM
its preseason it doesnt matter if you win or lose its where the starters plays 1 quarter its all about getting the young guys some experience and position battles

That's what everybody says and the reasons are sound. So you'd have to say that's a valid argument. But teams who know how to win learn to win from doing it. I think we need .500 or better in preseason.

YoungTexanFan
06-12-2006, 11:54 PM
It doesn't matter if its the starters or the reserves, everyone needs to know how to win, and they need to know that feeling and learn to love it. If you don't crave a win, you might as well not suit up. Professional athletes have a seperate drive than most people. Most true athletes who sucede have a seperate drive and the will to not lose. Our players simply were never allowed to reach that feeling and their growth was stiffled.

Eyeguy
06-13-2006, 12:01 AM
It doesn't matter if its the starters or the reserves, everyone needs to know how to win, and they need to know that feeling and learn to love it. If you don't crave a win, you might as well not suit up. Professional athletes have a seperate drive than most people. Most true athletes who sucede have a seperate drive and the will to not lose. Our players simply were never allowed to reach that feeling and their growth was stiffled.
Agree
Did Denver try to win preseason games?

HoustonFan
06-13-2006, 12:04 AM
Teach them how to win. WE WANT TO WIN!!!!! Sure the preseason is about tuning up, but after regressing like we did last season it's time to develop that winning and killer instinct drive and keep the party goin' thru out the preseason, into and throughout the regular.

Hutch13
06-13-2006, 05:02 AM
It doesn't matter if its the starters or the reserves, everyone needs to know how to win, and they need to know that feeling and learn to love it. If you don't crave a win, you might as well not suit up. Professional athletes have a seperate drive than most people. Most true athletes who sucede have a seperate drive and the will to not lose. Our players simply were never allowed to reach that feeling and their growth was stiffled.
Well if a preseason win meant soooooo much then david carr and AJ and Eric Moulds would play the whole game

YoungTexanFan
06-13-2006, 06:15 AM
Well if a preseason win meant soooooo much then david carr and AJ and Eric Moulds would play the whole game

Like I said, it's not just our top players who have to know what a win feels like. Our role players and reserves have to crave a win also. Its more of a team mentality than anything else. It's a certian swagger that our team has lacked.

Hulk75
06-13-2006, 06:50 AM
I think it is important this year to win just a couple more then we have in the past................It is preseason but nobody likes to lose period, in any game.

the wonger need food
06-13-2006, 08:04 AM
This was a big topic of debate last year. There were a ton of people on this board stating that the preseason didn't matter and we saw the results. We saw Carr and last year's 'new' offense playing less snaps than their opponent with Capers telling us... "we know what we got."

The bottom line is, this team needs to learn how to win which is something the previous coaching staff put no emphasis on. It doesn't matter if it's a scrimmage, preseason game or playing Madden in the player's lounge.

El Tejano
06-13-2006, 08:26 AM
I want to win. If we are winning in preseason, especially now with new changes, it means we are grasping all the new concepts.

Txdimepce
06-13-2006, 08:36 AM
Preseason wins gives some of these guys a mental edge. I don't care what anyone says, any athlete uses whatever mental edge they can get to excel at their specialty. If you lose, you can rationalize that it doesn't matter. But if you win, you definetly use it as mental leverage. To most athletes...it matters.

HOOK'EM
06-13-2006, 09:04 AM
Just WIN, baby!

HOOK'EM
06-13-2006, 09:06 AM
..........but, they don't have to pull a Spurrier and leave the starters in through the half trying to blow out teams in the preseason. You see were that got him!

Eyeguy
06-13-2006, 03:03 PM
With so many new players and new systems on both sides of the ball, I think we will see our starters spend more time on the field during preseason.

Tex Trenches
06-13-2006, 03:38 PM
I want to win. If we are winning in preseason, especially now with new changes, it means we are grasping all the new concepts.

Most importantly they'll be learning how to win. Which we know can be contagious.

real
06-13-2006, 03:40 PM
after 2-14 even preseason wins will be precious...

hollywood_texan
06-13-2006, 03:53 PM
Typically, I don't care about W's in the preseason and you can see some successful teams don't win many preseason games.

However, given the current state this team, they need to go out and win all of them (from the starters to the guys trying to make the team) and that attitude needs to be throughout the team all four quarters.

AFD1717
06-13-2006, 05:24 PM
I think we will probably win more pre-season games this year simply because our starters will play more. On teams that aren't learning new systems, pulling the starters early is a good idea. What is Payton Manning going to learn by playing an extra quater in pre-season? We don't have that luxury. Our starters need as many snaps as possible to learn the new systems on both side of the ball. There will be plenty of occasions where our first teams will run against our opponents reserves and (I hope) that will result in our boxscore numbers will be inflated including the points.

Capster67
06-13-2006, 11:32 PM
I'm a huge believer in treating every game as if it matters. This doesn't mean playing starters 4 quarters in pre-season games. It does mean instilling in your third and fourth stringers that the little things matter. It was painful to watch even our second string "offense" on the field last year. Here's hoping that Kubiak will draw out the best in our first, second, third and fourth stringers!!

swisher
06-14-2006, 08:50 AM
Last year I was on the side of preseason doesn't matter as far as W/L. I have officially flip-flopped.

After 4 years of Capers I think we're something like 3-13 in the preseason. I know you can lose all of them and go to the Super Bowl or win all of them and go 0-16....but those are the extreme. For teams like the Texans I think it does matter.

SESupergenius
06-14-2006, 08:52 AM
These guys can't afford a losing record in the preseason, especially from a fans point of view. They will lose a lot of seats if they continue their losing ways. I suspect we will be trying to win these games instead of evaluating talent that won't make the team.

KingRat
06-14-2006, 09:10 AM
Kansas City - home win v Herm Edwards Chefs
Rams - road win to defend our stinking up the end of that game last year
Broncos - road loss, fledgling gets belted by dear old dad
Bucs - home win, for all the preseason annihilations by the Bucs in the past

three and one

Bearfan Blue and Orange
06-14-2006, 09:50 AM
The only successful preseason record we need to hope for is everyone is healthy coming out of preseason.

Many teams can be broken down coming out of preseason and then the 1st quarter of the season is iffy and trying to get by until you get everyone back by week 5. We cannot afford to have injuries in the 1st 4 games as they are crucial and difficult teams. We need everyone on the field and available.

Porky
06-14-2006, 11:59 AM
In general I would say it doesn't matter. But with new coaches, a new system, and many new players, it would be nice to at least split the pre-season. More importantly, I want to see signs of progress. I also think the team needs to learn how to win. Once they have that down, I don't think it matters. Indy was 0-4 last yr, and it didn't seem to hurt them, but they had a group of experienced players that know how to win. Big difference.

rafterticket
06-14-2006, 12:16 PM
Denver has a 19 win 6 loss record in preseason since 2000. I am wondering if Kubes will use preseason to look at players or teach his team to win.

I was one of those guys who kept saying last year "it's just preseason. It doesn't count and doesn't matter." Truth is, they DON'T matter - as long as your first units look good while they are on the field. That never happened last year, Sloan Thomas never got his preseason MVP award, and they looked like complete garbage from the first game in Buffalo.

Does anyone even remember one decent play from preseason last year?

This year, I am going to keep my hopes up, but my eyes open. 0-4 will be fine with me, as long as the guys that will really see the field in the regular season aren't the ones who blew it.

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
06-14-2006, 12:24 PM
Perseason games always make me nerves because of injures. This year is a little diffrent. I realy want to see the starters play but at the same time i want all the right players on the field come opening day. I'm torn two ways.So i'll say that for now the texans should use the preseason to get the O-line ready this to me will be the key to getting DC to play to his potentule.Is it me or is this off season lasting for ever? Texans football I can't wait. Preseason is for getting the TEAM ready not wins and losses these games DONT count.

infantrycak
06-14-2006, 12:35 PM
Does anyone even remember one decent play from preseason last year?

Game 2 vs. Oakland they actually came out like a decent O and ate 7:30 off the clock while driving 76 yds for a TD--Carr went 6 of 8 for 43 yds and a TD--the Texans' response was to pull the 1st team. Wouldn't want to let them try to do it twice in a row.

SteelBlueToro
06-14-2006, 12:39 PM
One thing is for sure... David Carr and the other starters will play more than one series per game. I thought that was odd last year when Capers did that the whole preseason...

rafterticket
06-14-2006, 01:40 PM
Game 2 vs. Oakland they actually came out like a decent O and ate 7:30 off the clock while driving 76 yds for a TD--Carr went 6 of 8 for 43 yds and a TD--the Texans' response was to pull the 1st team. Wouldn't want to let them try to do it twice in a row.

Thank you. Kerry Collins throwing bombs and Lamont Jordan running all over us like Bo Jackson was all I could remember from that one.

edo783
06-14-2006, 01:55 PM
Normally, I don't put much stock in trying to win pre-season games. However, this year I think it might be good idea to win a couple of them. Games 2 & 3 would be the best ones as that is when you play your starters against theirs longer and would build some confidence heading into the season. Game 1 no one plays much and game 4 is usually for the final cut guys so they aren't that much to base stuff on.

Double Barrel
06-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Pre-season wins are fool's gold.

That being said, I hope we go 4-0! :texflag:

They've got to play hard regardless if the games count or not. Having a slacker attitude, even in practice and meaningless pre-season games, is something that can carry over to the regular season.

Texan Asylum
06-14-2006, 07:17 PM
I would venture to say that the saying, "practice makes perfect", is a falsehood. It's, "perfect practice makes perfect". That being said, winning is a state of mind. To start the season off with wins, instead of losses, would put our boys in a "winning state of mind". Pre-season or no, we must win.

Eyeguy
06-15-2006, 01:02 AM
Preseason Goals:

1) Get starters comfortable with new system

2) See what players can help team as non-starters

3) WIN!

4) no injuries

BigTimeTexanFan
06-15-2006, 01:14 AM
There's something to be said about our first teamers beating their forst teamers and our second teamers beating theirs and so on.... I can' think of one team that keeps all of it's starter from the first play of the first game all the way to the last play of the last game of the season. If our second and third teamers get dominated by theirs, then we still have a problem even if our first team dominates. So, yes, winning does matter in the preseason!

Wharton
06-15-2006, 01:22 PM
Preseason is kinda funny. If you are on a winning team, winning doesn't matter but if you stink, like we did last year, winning in preseason matters.

srstex
06-15-2006, 01:30 PM
Maybe a loss in preseason would taste bad enough to actually motivate the players this year. And it would get the losses out of the way early. Also the first team will not see a lot of action, more than last year but still not a lot, so 2 & 2 in preseason at open 4 & 4, by then the cream will have risen to the top of their game and those who do not rise will be cut.

8 & 8, I believe in our coaching staff, I believe in the decisions of our coaching staff.

BigTimeTexanFan
06-15-2006, 01:42 PM
Maybe a loss in preseason would taste bad enough to actually motivate the players this year. And it would get the losses out of the way early. Also the first team will not see a lot of action, more than last year but still not a lot, so 2 & 2 in preseason at open 4 & 4, by then the cream will have risen to the top of their game and those who do not rise will be cut.

8 & 8, I believe in our coaching staff, I believe in the decisions of our coaching staff.

Yeah, that approach seemed to have worked for us before:thud:

KingRat
06-15-2006, 02:11 PM
Preseason is kinda funny. If you are on a winning team, winning doesn't matter but if you stink, like we did last year, winning in preseason matters.

that's bass ackwards, on a winning team, you gloat as if it matters,
and on a losing team, it's hey, it's only preseason, it doesn't matter

EF55
06-15-2006, 03:13 PM
that's bass ackwards, on a winning team, you gloat as if it matters,
and on a losing team, it's hey, it's only preseason, it doesn't matter


Actually I think he had it right from the coaches perspective, If you have a bad team you want to create a winning culture even if it's pre season, that's why it absolutely is more important for a poor team to win a few in preseason, It doesn't always equate but the goal is there.

bayoudreamn
06-15-2006, 10:31 PM
One thing is for sure... David Carr and the other starters will play more than one series per game. I thought that was odd last year when Capers did that the whole preseason...

That was because the playbook only had four plays in it and they didn't want to run em more than once. They spent the rest of the preseason working on special teams

Eyeguy
08-08-2006, 01:28 PM
I think that with the competition we have for diffrent spots on this team we will see an extra effort to do well and win.

Speedy
08-08-2006, 02:41 PM
Preseason is kinda funny. If you are on a winning team, winning doesn't matter but if you stink, like we did last year, winning in preseason matters.
Winning in pre-season NEVER matters. Ever!! It doesn't help you one bit from week 1 to week 17. Zero, zilch, nada.

Which would make you feel better?

Scenario #1:
The starters play the 1st half, build a 17-3 halftime lead, sit out the 2nd half and end up losing the game 24-20.

Scenario #2:
The starters play the 1st half, go into the half trailing 14-3, sit out the second half while the 2nd and 3rd stringers come back to win 20-17.

I'll take scenario #1 all pre-season long.

Coach C.
08-08-2006, 03:16 PM
The starters will not play a full half, except for maybe the third preseason game. The 4th game they may play just one series. I personally dont care what the preseason record is as long as they use it to tune up and get better.

Brandon420tx
08-08-2006, 03:37 PM
I like the part in this thread where that guy is arguing with a post made over a month ago.

KingRat
08-29-2006, 09:12 AM
Kansas City - home win v Herm Edwards Chefs
Rams - road win to defend our stinking up the end of that game last year
Broncos - road loss, fledgling gets belted by dear old dad
Bucs - home win, for all the preseason annihilations by the Bucs in the past

three and one

looking for the quadrifecta this week, GO BUBBLE BOYS

KingRat
09-01-2006, 04:28 PM
:redtowel: :chicken: :bananasplit:

Hervoyel
09-01-2006, 04:49 PM
I think the important thing to note here is that the Texans won in preseason while playing their backups a reasonable amount of time. Granted we gave our first team a little more work than our opponents did sometimes but I can accept that we needed the work since this is our first year in this system.

Teams that play all out to win in the preseason run smack into reality once the rest of the league starts doing the same. We didn't do that. Our first string generally beat their first string. Our second string did the same to their second string. We're winning in preseason because we're finally as deep as other teams and our players are getting effective coaching in a proven system.

Double Barrel
09-01-2006, 05:11 PM
While purely fool's gold, I have to admit that it's been nice to see us go 3-1 in a pre-season. We finally look like a professional football team, which in and of itself is a nice change.

Obviously these wins and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee, so take it for what it's worth. We've got some deficiencies that still need to be addressed, but our positives are something to look forward to. I think our running game will set the tone for the offense, and I think our d-line could establish us as a team with attitude.