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powerfuldragon
06-06-2006, 03:43 PM
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=2234&page=4

From here, down, the discussion (initially about the steelers superbowl rings) turned to texans talk for a little while.

Thought you guys might be interested in seeing the opinions of '9ers fans.

Vinny
06-06-2006, 03:50 PM
Khari and I run that forum too. That's where I'm experimenting with a possible sig-pic program for here.

powerfuldragon
06-06-2006, 03:51 PM
Khari and I run that forum too.
yeah, i've noticed your names floating around the boards.

El Tejano
06-06-2006, 03:53 PM
One thing I keep saying is that the Texans pretty much got 3 first rounders for a lot less. This draft was extremely deep.

SESupergenius
06-06-2006, 04:13 PM
wow, it seems all media took over the 49rs website from Epic Cycle. When did that happen?

Vinny
06-06-2006, 04:17 PM
wow, it seems all media took over the 49rs website from Epic Cycle. When did that happen?
It was in the works for a while....but they converted a few months back. allmedia/J&A partners does the Titans, Cardinals, 49ers and Texans sites right now.

SESupergenius
06-06-2006, 04:27 PM
It was in the works for a while....but they converted a few months back. allmedia/J&A partners does the Titans, Cardinals, 49ers and Texans sites right now.
I like the Cardinals website. I hope to be going to their first preseason game against the Steelers....in 110 degree heat. We'll see how eventful this new stadium is compared to ASU Stadium.

TheOgre
06-06-2006, 04:59 PM
I like the Cardinals website. I hope to be going to their first preseason game against the Steelers....in 110 degree heat. We'll see how eventful this new stadium is compared to ASU Stadium.

Doesn't it have a roof over it? Isn't that the stadium where they pull out the grass like a shelf to let it get sun between games?

SESupergenius
06-06-2006, 06:24 PM
Doesn't it have a roof over it? Isn't that the stadium where they pull out the grass like a shelf to let it get sun between games?
That's the plan, but who knows how it will work out. There is blistering heat in Phoenix during the preseason so this will no doubt be a good test. I'd have to say however that I'd take that over Reliant in August with the roof open, I just can't stand the humidity.

AlexVanderpool
06-06-2006, 06:57 PM
Khari and I run that forum too. That's where I'm experimenting with a possible sig-pic program for here.

Please dont implement the sig-pic...it makes other message boards look too jumbled and unorganized...

HT.com looks clean and concise imo, allowing us to scroll through information and opinions and not a bunch of repetitive images.

TexanFan881
06-06-2006, 07:02 PM
Please dont implement the sig-pic...it makes other message boards look too jumbled and unorganized...

HT.com looks clean and concise imo, allowing us to scroll through information and opinions and not a bunch of repetitive images.

I wouldn't mind it. I think it would be pretty cool. I do think we're fine now though and I enjoy the board as is. If we did it I know some people have said they don't like it maybe you guys should make "View Sigs" as an option in the options setting in the User CP. That way everybody's happy :)

Double Barrel
06-06-2006, 07:40 PM
Interesting stuff over there, but this one got me: "not that nobody was interested, they were asking for too much. those rumors/reports had the Texans asking for atleast 3 first round draft picks."

THREE first round draft picks?! That's just nonsense. I've never read anything in the media (or on the boards) about that kind of asking price.

Has there ever been a trade with three first rounders for a top pick? Nobody is worth that price.

jgl35
06-06-2006, 09:00 PM
Interesting stuff over there, but this one got me: "not that nobody was interested, they were asking for too much. those rumors/reports had the Texans asking for atleast 3 first round draft picks."

THREE first round draft picks?! That's just nonsense. I've never read anything in the media (or on the boards) about that kind of asking price.

Has there ever been a trade with three first rounders for a top pick? Nobody is worth that price.
In the NFL record book I have, I could not find any trades for three first round picks.

I did however, find this.

In 1952 the then Dallas Texans traded the draft rights to Les Richter, a DB to the L.A. Rams for 11 players.

Being the old man that I am, I remember him with the Rams. Here is why. His belt broke and his pants fell down while he in coverage, tripping him and lettting the receiver score at TD. TV game, I saw it happen

sensei
06-06-2006, 09:31 PM
Please dont implement the sig-pic...it makes other message boards look too jumbled and unorganized...

HT.com looks clean and concise imo, allowing us to scroll through information and opinions and not a bunch of repetitive images.


I agree. Makes things too jumbled.

sensei

mapleleaf
06-06-2006, 09:56 PM
Well at least the 9ers fans are little bit more respectful to us compared to all the other boards I've been on that talk about us. I mean in the Jaguars board, they all claim us as a "illegitimate football team" and other insults, and on the Bills board I think I read one stint conversation about the Texans on an old topic about the Moulds trade, and they claim that we are making more mistakes than ever and that we should move to LA to piss off 16 million people. At least they like our uniforms and helmets, but they're in San Francisco so it doesn't really matter.

TexanFan881
06-06-2006, 10:00 PM
Well at least the 9ers fans are little bit more respectful to us compared to all the other boards I've been on that talk about us. I mean in the Jaguars board, they all claim us as a "illegitimate football team" and other insults, and on the Bills board I think I read one stint conversation about the Texans on an old topic about the Moulds trade, and they claim that we are making more mistakes than ever and that we should move to LA to piss off 16 million people. At least they like our uniforms and helmets, but they're in San Francisco so it doesn't really matter.

It's because the 49ers were not the best last year (hopefully a better season for them this year) and that the Jags are just mad because no matter how good or bad our team is we can almost always find a way to beat them :redtowel:

nunusguy
06-06-2006, 10:20 PM
THREE first round draft picks?! That's just nonsense. I've never read anything in the media (or on the boards) about that kind of asking price.

We've got Mario, and I'm OK with that and looking forward to the new season
and a new start like everyone else.
However, what happened and transpired in those negotiations with Bush and
other teams we might have traded with after we decided not to take Bush,
I'd sure like to know ? Maybe we'll learn more now that one of the few people
that knows the whole story is no longer with the organization, and Charlie does love the attention. Though I recognize he's probably remain loyal to his ex boss here in Houston, Charlie leaked stories with the best of them.
What I'd really like to know is what was our asking price for the top pick ? It's
still hard for me to believe that we couldn't have traded with the Titans or
Jets and got just one additional Ist day pick besides their #1, if only a third rounder.
And I wonder, would we really have been willing to trade with divison rival Tenn ? And did we even approach them, or they us ?

Double Barrel
06-07-2006, 11:01 AM
What I'd really like to know is what was our asking price for the top pick ?

I'd be curious to know, but I won't lose any sleep over it. Maybe we'll get a tell-all book from John McClain 30 years from now...who knows? idonno:

My personal belief is that NFL teams were not as enamored with Bush as the media hype led us to believe. Sure, the dude is potentially a great talent (and he was awesome in college), but it did not appear that anyone really stepped up and tried to make a blockbuster deal. It didn't happen when the Saints had the pick, either.

For an alleged "player of the century", I would have thought teams would be climbing over each other to make a deal with us. I can't believe that the FO was so set on Mario that they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on the right deal. I just don't think the offer was ever there.

nunusguy
06-07-2006, 12:43 PM
My personal belief is that NFL teams were not as enamored with Bush as the media hype led us to believe. Sure, the dude is potentially a great talent (and he was awesome in college), but it did not appear that anyone really stepped up and tried to make a blockbuster deal. It didn't happen when the Saints had the pick, either.

I dunno....but I think maybe you're right DB.
I'm really looking forward to this season in so many ways, the least of which is not to find out how the top picks from the '06 Draft look in the NFL.
Most of all is to see how our guy Mario does, and then I'll be very curious
'bout Bush. Wonder 'bout Ferguson ? Its tough for a rookie tackle to start
at LT, look at Robert Gallery, he still hasn't made it over to the left side after
2 years in the league. And I honestly think between Spencer and Winston, we're gonna have a guy long-term who will be at Ferguson's level in the NFL.
But ESPN was a 24/7 hype machine for RB and his teammates. And he was the one they were least wrong about. I mean, Leinert barely was off the Board after the top ten picks were made, and their OT Justice didn't even get picked in the entire first round.

Double Barrel
06-07-2006, 12:56 PM
But ESPN was a 24/7 hype machine for RB and his teammates. And he was the one they were least wrong about. I mean, Leinert barely was off the Board after the top ten picks were made, and their OT Justice didn't even get picked in the entire first round.

No doubt, man. I've actually put all the talking heads into perspective, because now there are so many of them they seem to fall into two categories when talking over each other: 1) those that pretty much mimic Mel Kiper, so they all end up saying the same things (like a school of fish making the same turn at the same time), and 2) making outrageous predictions so they'll get noticed (like Merle Hodges, who said Vince Young was a second day pick. Dude needs to STFU about drafts, as far as I'm concerned now, and concentrate on breaking down plays for his NFL show. He blew his credibility out of the water with that statement).

It will definitely be an interesting year to watch how these draft picks played out. I wish the season was here sooner than later!

Vinny
06-07-2006, 02:09 PM
Interesting stuff over there, but this one got me: "not that nobody was interested, they were asking for too much. those rumors/reports had the Texans asking for atleast 3 first round draft picks."

THREE first round draft picks?! That's just nonsense. I've never read anything in the media (or on the boards) about that kind of asking price.

Has there ever been a trade with three first rounders for a top pick? Nobody is worth that price.I heard from multiple people whom I've talked to for years that we were asking for 3 first rounders at one point, and likely a reason nobody gave us much of a counter-offer.

Hulk75
06-07-2006, 02:11 PM
I heard from multiple people whom I've talked to for years that we were asking for 3 first rounders at one point, and likely a reason nobody gave us much of a counter-offer.
Talking about Orlando Pace? if so, that would have sucked, the Rams would have had our 1 st rd pick for 3 years, that would have been a POOOOOOOOR trade. Would have been one of the worst ever.

Double Barrel
06-07-2006, 02:13 PM
I heard from multiple people whom I've talked to for years that we were asking for 3 first rounders at one point, and likely a reason nobody gave us much of a counter-offer.

Holy cow! Well, this is the first I've heard, but you are definitely a credible source. :thumbup

Why would they even ask something like that? It seems a given that nobody is going to fall for it, so why even put it out there to begin with? That's not even riverboat gambling! It's just goofy, IMO.

Have you heard what was offered from other teams for that pick? Not that I'm second guessing, as I'm happy with the Mario pick. I'm just curious what the real world thought Bush was worth giving up.

Vinny
06-07-2006, 02:18 PM
Have you heard what was offered from other teams for that pick? Not that I'm second guessing, as I'm happy with the Mario pick. I'm just curious what the real world thought Bush was worth giving up.I only get tidbits, and have no way to verify some stuff...but I did hear if from more than one person, each of whom I respect...... As far as what we were offered, I have no clue but I have negotiated for a living most of my adult life and people tend to just walk away when someone overvalues their posture. I found it troublesome when the Saints started to get offers when we announced we signed Williams while Casserly stated that nobody would talk to him....I think I know why, and I'm glad Casserly is no longer with us.

jerek
06-07-2006, 02:24 PM
I'd be curious to know, but I won't lose any sleep over it. Maybe we'll get a tell-all book from John McClain 30 years from now...who knows? idonno:

My personal belief is that NFL teams were not as enamored with Bush as the media hype led us to believe. Sure, the dude is potentially a great talent (and he was awesome in college), but it did not appear that anyone really stepped up and tried to make a blockbuster deal. It didn't happen when the Saints had the pick, either.

For an alleged "player of the century", I would have thought teams would be climbing over each other to make a deal with us. I can't believe that the FO was so set on Mario that they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on the right deal. I just don't think the offer was ever there.

What is this, voice of reason? :rolleyes:

Geez, it is painfully obvious. It couldn't be any more obvious if someone wrote it across a bat and smashed you people over the head with it. Mario Williams was a football decision. I can't fathom that there are so many people out there who can't wrap their minds around that. Does someone need to tie Dan Ferens down and get a taped confession before any one will believe that?

Oh, and edit: as far as the trade, that I don't know for sure. I don't know what serious offers Casserly made or received. I do know that Kubiak and Co. wanted Williams more than they wanted Bush, partly because of their confidence in Kubiak's system and our existing RB core, and partly because Williams is simply a player of at least equal merit at a position of greater need for the Texans. Which is great to me, because I'd rather watch a dominating defense any day than see us lose in a shootout to the Colts until Peyton Manning retires.

Brandon420tx
06-07-2006, 03:41 PM
No doubt, man. I've actually put all the talking heads into perspective, because now there are so many of them they seem to fall into two categories when talking over each other: 1) those that pretty much mimic Mel Kiper, so they all end up saying the same things (like a school of fish making the same turn at the same time), and 2) making outrageous predictions so they'll get noticed (like Merle Hodges, who said Vince Young was a second day pick. Dude needs to STFU about drafts, as far as I'm concerned now, and concentrate on breaking down plays for his NFL show. He blew his credibility out of the water with that statement).

It will definitely be an interesting year to watch how these draft picks played out. I wish the season was here sooner than later!

Add Michael Smith in there with his own category.

mancunian
06-07-2006, 04:28 PM
............. maybe you guys should make "View Sigs" as an option in the options setting in the User CP. That way everybody's happy :)

That option already exists

TexanFan881
06-07-2006, 04:38 PM
That option already exists

I should have rephrased that: 'View Images in Sigs'

Vinny
06-07-2006, 05:52 PM
I should have rephrased that: 'View Images in Sigs'
it still exists...rephrased or not. :)