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Texans Horror
06-06-2006, 10:29 AM
SI quoting NFL.com:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/06/06/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

"Those who continue to wait for Dallas quarterback Drew Henson to blossom could be waiting a long time. Though Henson received the playing time he needed this spring in the NFL Europe League with the Rhein Fire, Cowboys coach Bill Parcells did not come away impressed with the skills his quarterback demonstrated. With cuts about three months away, it's not too early to put Henson on the bubble."

Trading Henson for a third round pick (became Morency) is looking better, IMO. I hope Morency gets more playing time this year.

AFD1717
06-06-2006, 10:32 AM
The Henson deal was one of Casserly's best. We basically got Morency in the sixth round.

YoungTexanFan
06-06-2006, 10:39 AM
The Henson deal was one of Casserly's best. We basically got Morency in the sixth round.

Which is just a little higher than where he deserved to go. Morency is horrible. Its like trading away brusselsprouts for okra...there is no winner.

powerfuldragon
06-06-2006, 10:49 AM
Which is just a little higher than where he deserved to go. Morency is horrible. Its like trading away brusselsprouts for okra...there is no winner.
Lol.

Texans Horror
06-06-2006, 10:49 AM
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nunusguy
06-06-2006, 10:53 AM
Its like trading away brusselsprouts for okra...there is no winner.
I dunno....... but that sounds like a lot of prejudice and bias to me, 'cause I definitely like both.
Not that either one ranks with Artichokes - now there's a vegey of the highest order !

12Gage
06-06-2006, 10:53 AM
Which is just a little higher than where he deserved to go. Morency is horrible. Its like trading away brusselsprouts for okra...there is no winner.
okra is good

powerfuldragon
06-06-2006, 10:55 AM
okra is good

too gooey for me.

Texans Horror
06-06-2006, 10:58 AM
I was never sold on the idea that Cass was the root of all evil. Assuming Cass was behind this deal, he has made some pretty good steals for the Texans as far as the running back stable goes (Davis and Morency). Morency had good punt returns last year. Maybe he will be returning for the Texans this year.

real
06-06-2006, 11:05 AM
i agree with the veggie analogy guy...both suck...not the veggies...the players

TheOgre
06-06-2006, 11:07 AM
I dunno....... but that sounds like a lot of prejudice and bias to me, 'cause I definitely like both.
Not that either one ranks with Artichokes - now there's a vegey of the highest order !

I absolutely hate Artichokes, like Okra (especially fried), and could do without sprouts, but can live with them. Too each his own.

AFD1717
06-06-2006, 11:17 AM
I'm not ready to bail on Morency just yet. Was he all I hoped he would be? No, but neither is Travis Johnson and I'm not ready to bail on him either.

Brussel Sprouts and Ocra have had ample time to develop and both need to be cut. Artichokes may make the probowl this year though.

real
06-06-2006, 11:24 AM
No, but neither is Travis Johnson and I'm not ready to bail on him either.
.

He'd have been a heck of a 5th rounder....Value wise

AFD1717
06-06-2006, 11:26 AM
He'd have been a heck of a 5th rounder....Value wise


Maybe he won't turn out to be worth that much. We don't know yet.

BTW, I love watching that Earl Campbell clip.

hollywood_texan
06-06-2006, 11:36 AM
I just don't understand this idea of drafting a player for trade bait.

If the Henson deal was a success, then you must factor in the failures to deem if drafting players for trade bait even works. I think Ragone would be a good example. Maybe they were thinking he would be solid backup? How many times did Casserly draft for trade bait and it didn't work? Besides, Morency seems like an okay RB, but time will tell if it was a success.

If someone has some stats on this or someone that was very successful at this trade bait philosohpy, please let me know. I just don't see how you build a successful team focusing a good portion of your time finding talent that you eventually want to trade. Casserly seemed to talk about this concept a lot and was very proud of the Henson deal

This is why I think Casserly was not successful. He seemed more concerned about the paper aspect of the game than the W column.

ComstockLode
06-06-2006, 11:37 AM
Which is just a little higher than where he deserved to go. Morency is horrible. Its like trading away brusselsprouts for okra...there is no winner.

ROFL.... Its sad, but its true:crutch:

nunusguy
06-06-2006, 11:39 AM
I absolutely hate Artichokes
That's so hurtful !
Seriously, I like Arts so much, I routinely steam a couple of them and eat them without any seasoning - most people need to use melted butter or mayo.
They have a very bland, very delicate yet very distinctive flavor.
But you have to know how to buy them, know when they are ripe and also
whether or not they will be flavorful. Its all based on their appearance.
You have to be able to recognize the right shade of green (very imporatant), and the shape of the leaves is also critical in recognizing a good artichoke. Most people don't know how to buy them.

real
06-06-2006, 11:44 AM
Never in a million yrs. would i have predicted a post about henson and morency would take such a turn...:francis::stirpot:

hollywood_texan
06-06-2006, 11:49 AM
Never in a million yrs. would i have predicted a post about henson and morency would take such a turn...:francis::stirpot:

Take into consideration it is the offseason. But still a good point!

nunusguy
06-06-2006, 11:55 AM
Never in a million yrs. would i have predicted a post about henson and morency would take such a turn...:francis::stirpot:
You're gonna have to learn to be patient and expect some very irrelavant
digresssions between now and the last week of July when TC will finally begin.
Between now and then, there's just gonna be a lot of dead time.

real
06-06-2006, 12:07 PM
You're gonna have to learn to be patient and expect some very irrelavant
digresssions between now and the last week of July when TC will finally begin.
Between now and then, there's just gonna be a lot of dead time.

Trust me... I know...

LORK 88
06-06-2006, 12:08 PM
Other than Marion Barber, who was significantly better than Morency last season that was drafted below him? Im sorry, but theres no way I can be severely negative or say they are worthless after 1 YEAR. Give him time because considering the how horrible we were last year, it was difficult for anyone to shine . . .

rafterticket
06-06-2006, 12:10 PM
Other than Marion Barber, who was significantly better than Morency last season that was drafted below him? Im sorry, but theres no way I can be severely negative or say they are worthless after 1 YEAR. Give him time because considering the how horrible we were last year, it was difficult for anyone to shine . . .

That run against the Cardinals was pretty fun to watch. Showed great potential, and never got any significant playing time all season.

Runner
06-06-2006, 12:16 PM
Other than Marion Barber, who was significantly better than Morency last season that was drafted below him? Im sorry, but theres no way I can be severely negative or say they are worthless after 1 YEAR. Give him time because considering the how horrible we were last year, it was difficult for anyone to shine . . .

Obviously you don't see the coolness factor of labeling someone a bust based on very limited data over a short time frame.

nunusguy
06-06-2006, 12:17 PM
That run against the Cardinals was pretty fun to watch. Showed great potential, and never got any significant playing time all season.
Wasn't that the play where he hot dogged it on the way into the EZ, sticking the ball right in the face of the last Cardinal DB right before scoring ?
As I recall, that maybe was a contributing factor to him riding the bench
most of the time thereafter.

TheOgre
06-06-2006, 12:27 PM
They have a very bland, very delicate yet very distinctive flavor.

My family loved them when I was growing up and and they would drench them in butter (give my brothers something covered in cheese and/or butter and they are set). I just never liked that "distinctive flavor".

Keep in mind that I eat sushi, escargo, and oysters (raw and otherwise), so I am open to various tastes...the artichoke is just not one of them.

rafterticket
06-06-2006, 12:37 PM
Wasn't that the play where he hot dogged it on the way into the EZ, sticking the ball right in the face of the last Cardinal DB right before scoring ?
As I recall, that maybe was a contributing factor to him riding the bench
most of the time thereafter.

Yeah, but it was a great run.....

Vinny
06-06-2006, 01:11 PM
I'm a pretty big Morency fan and think he will be very productive. Trade looks great to me.

YoungTexanFan
06-06-2006, 01:18 PM
I'm a pretty big Morency fan and think he will be very productive. Trade looks great to me.

Your right, it was a great trade Vinny, but it was a horrible selection. Morency had no ceiling and still doesn't have one. He is a career 3rd stringer at best. But maybe I'm just against him :confused:

Vinny
06-06-2006, 01:20 PM
Your right, it was a great trade Vinny, but it was a horrible selection. Morency had no ceiling and still doesn't have one. He is a career 3rd stringer at best. But maybe I'm just against him :confused: I find your assessment of his ability poor, but to each their own.

Texans Horror
06-06-2006, 01:33 PM
Morency did very well at Oklahoma State. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is a good side-to-side runner, and if that can be refined to cut back against the line, he could work really well in Kubiak's Denver system.

Interestingly enough, he is another Miami connection since he went to HS there and lives there, still.

I just pulled this from ESPN.com. Interesting considering how many people want to burn him at the stake already.

"The team that drafts him will have to be patient in developing him and will assume a risk with an older prospect."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9080&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfl draft%2Fdraft05%2Ftracker%2Fplayer%3Fid%3D9080

Chance_C
06-06-2006, 01:57 PM
Kubiak wants a one cut back. Morency is not that. He has some solid potential, but is it in this system?

YoungTexanFan
06-06-2006, 02:02 PM
Morency did very well at Oklahoma State. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is a good side-to-side runner, and if that can be refined to cut back against the line, he could work really well in Kubiak's Denver system.

Interestingly enough, he is another Miami connection since he went to HS there and lives there, still.

I just pulled this from ESPN.com. Interesting considering how many people want to burn him at the stake already.

"The team that drafts him will have to be patient in developing him and will assume a risk with an older prospect."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9080&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfl draft%2Fdraft05%2Ftracker%2Fplayer%3Fid%3D9080


yeah, he tried and failed at one sport already, going on two now. Doesn't help when you starting trying at age 26.

Texans Horror
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
I find your assessment of his ability poor, but to each their own.

Agreed.

rafterticket
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
yeah, he tried and failed at one sport already, going on two now. Doesn't help when you starting trying at age 26.

Is your father named Bobo? You seem intentionally disagreeable.

Algebrat
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
yeah, he tried and failed at one sport already, going on two now. Doesn't help when you starting trying at age 26.

You people are ruthless... Give a guy a shot before you flush him down the tubes. Morency and Johnson have had what, ONE YEAR to go from college to the pros. So the general feeling is if you can't make the jump in one season, you were a wasted pick?????

Lighten up, you'll live longer :)

LORK 88
06-06-2006, 02:58 PM
Your right, it was a great trade Vinny, but it was a horrible selection. Morency had no ceiling and still doesn't have one. He is a career 3rd stringer at best. But maybe I'm just against him :confused:

You? Against Morency, NO!! Kidding, while you may be criticizing the pick as of now, look at who else was taken in the 3rd round. The only person I see that is worthy of that pick that was drafted after VM is Kirk Morrison although we had our LB positions pretty much "solidified" (or so we thought) with Peek, Babin, Greenwood, and Wong. It may pay off to be a smart move too if VM can pick up Kubiak's system and be a good #2 for us.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3

mexican_texan
06-06-2006, 03:12 PM
You? Against Morency, NO!! Kidding, while you may be criticizing the pick as of now, look at who else was taken in the 3rd round. The only person I see that is worthy of that pick that was drafted after VM is Kirk Morrison although we had our LB positions pretty much "solidified" (or so we thought) with Peek, Babin, Greenwood, and Wong. It may pay off to be a smart move too if VM can pick up Kubiak's system and be a good #2 for us.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3
Ryan Moats did well for the Eagles...

LORK 88
06-06-2006, 03:57 PM
Moats was less than 100 yards better than Morency, and while he did look good at times (as VM did too), it wouldnt be right to say that he wouldve been the better choice, especially after only 1 year.

real
06-06-2006, 04:49 PM
Moats was less than 100 yards better than Morency, and while he did look good at times (as VM did too), it wouldnt be right to say that he wouldve been the better choice, especially after only 1 year.

Thats true...but isn't morency like 25 or 26...factor in his age and moats was probably the better pick...but who knows...

Vinny
06-06-2006, 04:55 PM
Thats true...but isn't morency like 25 or 26...factor in his age and moats was probably the better pick...but who knows...When you look at a back you really only need to project 3-4 years and Morency just doesn't have that much wear and tear on him so I'd figure that his age is really a moot point. His body isn't going to give out any time soon.

real
06-06-2006, 05:03 PM
Thats true...especially being a reserve and all...and besides I don't think the morency pick will make or break us as a franchise...

LORK 88
06-06-2006, 05:11 PM
When you look at a back you really only need to project 3-4 years and Morency just doesn't have that much wear and tear on him so I'd figure that his age is really a moot point. His body isn't going to give out any time soon.
Exactly, good point. Moats turns 24 in December, Morency is 26 til next January, not a big difference.

Texans Pride
06-06-2006, 05:12 PM
Which is just a little higher than where he deserved to go. Morency is horrible. Its like trading away brusselsprouts for okra...there is no winner.

I also enjoy both. . . Try the brusselsprouts with meted cheese...mmmmmmm

YoungTexanFan
06-06-2006, 05:26 PM
You people are ruthless... Give a guy a shot before you flush him down the tubes. Morency and Johnson have had what, ONE YEAR to go from college to the pros. So the general feeling is if you can't make the jump in one season, you were a wasted pick?????

Lighten up, you'll live longer :)

I like TJ, I am willing to give time to prospect if I feel they have a chance in the league. I was mad when we drafted VM, and now, I'm still just as mad.

YoungTexanFan
06-06-2006, 05:29 PM
Is your father named Bobo? You seem intentionally disagreeable.

No, I have nothing to do with bobo, and I'm just going to assume that if you have been on this board since before the rosebowl, you would at least know a little more about me. There are two players on the Texans who I have a strong, passionate dislike for. Those two scrubs are Morency and Faggins. My opinion about them has not changed ever, it probally will not change. There are people everyone doesn't like, but these are my two. Accept it or put me on your ignore list, it makes no difference to me.

TexanFan881
06-06-2006, 05:30 PM
Thats true...but isn't morency like 25 or 26...factor in his age and moats was probably the better pick...but who knows...

In retrospect, Moats is the younger and more effective back, but Morency is still good. He is 26 already in his second year because he played some baseball for the minor league Colorado Rockies (I think). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Moats>Morency>Henson

We got a great deal out of the Henson trade still. When you trade an unproven 6th round pick with no playing time for a 3rd round pick you always will win.

bayoudreamn
06-06-2006, 05:36 PM
Is your father named Bobo? You seem intentionally disagreeable.


lol....not quite as bad as bobo I'm sure.

bayoudreamn
06-06-2006, 05:38 PM
lol....not quite as bad as bobo I'm sure.

just for clarity....this is in reference to the post....not the poster.

Kaiser Toro
06-06-2006, 06:07 PM
A terrific trade by Cass and I still believe that Morency will take over the starting RB position halfway thorugh the season by earning it, not through injury.

I have not seen any practices this year and still have concerns of him adjusting to the ZA scheme but just feel that our biggest surprise this year will be the emergence of Morency.

TexanFan881
06-06-2006, 06:12 PM
A terrific trade by Cass and I still believe that Morency will take over the starting RB position halfway thorugh the season by earning it, not through injury.

I have not seen any practices this year and still have concerns of him adjusting to the ZA scheme but just feel that our biggest surprise this year will be the emergence of Morency.

Wow, someone's going out on a limb...do you think he will pass up DD or DD will get injured? The only way I see him getting the job is if DD gets hurt and even then I think Lundy and him will battle it out.

LORK 88
06-06-2006, 06:17 PM
In retrospect, Moats is the younger and more effective back, but Morency is still good. He is 26 already in his second year because he played some baseball for the minor league Colorado Rockies (I think). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Moats>Morency>Henson

We got a great deal out of the Henson trade still. When you trade an unproven 6th round pick with no playing time for a 3rd round pick you always will win.
Agreed, considering what Henson has done, we made out like bandits. However, count the number of pro bowlers on Philly's line then count . . . well, i wont go there or even say it , but i beleive that the ZBS in Houston will be the neutralizer give Morency the chance to prove he is the better back.

Kaiser Toro
06-06-2006, 06:18 PM
Wow, someone's going out on a limb...do you think he will pass up DD or DD will get injured? The only way I see him getting the job is if DD gets hurt and even then I think Lundy and him will battle it out.

You are right and I am pretty conservative when it comes to predicitions, but I just see a scenario where he gets a couple of opportunities early and makes good on them. It gets to a point where he is to explosive not to be playing first and second downs and bring in Davis as the thrid down option for in-between yardage where we could go run or pass.

No science or empirical research, just a feeling.

TexanFan881
06-06-2006, 06:20 PM
Agreed, considering what Henson has done, we made out like bandits. However, count the number of pro bowlers on Philly's line then count . . . well, i wont go there or even say it , but i beleive that the ZBS in Houston will be the neutralizer give Morency the chance to prove he is the better back.

The problem is that so far Morency isn't adjusting too well to the new ZBS. It's not like we had a bad run blocking line either last year and our pass blocking line really makes our OL game as a whole look horrible, but it's not, and it won't be a problem this year, that's for sure. If anything I think switching to the ZBS hurts Morency rather than using last year's system.

TexanFan881
06-06-2006, 06:22 PM
You are right and I am pretty conservative when it comes to predicitions, but I just see a scenario where he gets a couple of opportunities early and makes good on them. It gets to a point where he is to explosive not to be playing first and second downs and bring in Davis as the thrid down option for in-between yardage where we could go run or pass.

No science or empirical research, just a feeling.

That would be nice :thumbup Than we can use DD for what we originally drafted him for, I just think that DD is a pretty darn good back and that it will be hard for Morency to challenge him.

Revolution
06-06-2006, 10:53 PM
I just don't understand this idea of drafting a player for trade bait.

If the Henson deal was a success, then you must factor in the failures to deem if drafting players for trade bait even works. I think Ragone would be a good example. Maybe they were thinking he would be solid backup? How many times did Casserly draft for trade bait and it didn't work? Besides, Morency seems like an okay RB, but time will tell if it was a success.

If someone has some stats on this or someone that was very successful at this trade bait philosohpy, please let me know. I just don't see how you build a successful team focusing a good portion of your time finding talent that you eventually want to trade. Casserly seemed to talk about this concept a lot and was very proud of the Henson deal

This is why I think Casserly was not successful. He seemed more concerned about the paper aspect of the game than the W column.

Ragone was not drafted for the reason you mention. The only time Casserly ever drafted for "trade bait" was the Henson deal. It was a one shot deal that was worth the risk. I don't think GMs go into a draft thinking about this. I think there were no players that just jumped out at the time, so they took a gamble. It worked out.

So, just how do you quantify that Casserly spent most of his time "finding talent that you eventually want to trade?"

Malloy
06-07-2006, 03:11 AM
Your right, it was a great trade Vinny, but it was a horrible selection. Morency had no ceiling and still doesn't have one. He is a career 3rd stringer at best. But maybe I'm just against him :confused:

Sorry, I can't disagree more with this assessment. Apparently I am one of the few that believes that Morency has "it". He's young, rookie-like still, but considering the complete collapse of ALL players last season, this does not come as a surprise. He showed more heart than most players on this team last season, more speed than DD could ever dream for, so, if they fix the traction on his shoes (so all that energy is used in a forward motion) I expect great things from Morency.

TK_Gamer
06-07-2006, 03:43 AM
I know it was late in the draft but did we pick up henson 7th round or undrafted? either way i guess, you see a quarter laying down on the ground , you pick it up ...far as morency and TJ, i say 3 years is the allowable curve, before that you could be cutting your own throat, but sometimes that 3rd year starts having cap implications so unfortunately some guys dont get the full 3 years only 2, then they get the axe before they cost the team more money.sometimes I hate the business side of Football, but I do enjoy watching it.

YoungTexanFan
06-07-2006, 07:03 AM
drew henson was one helluva athlete should have stuck with baseball could have been with the yankees right now

He wasn't that great. He couldn't hit his body weight or a curveball. He just couldn't keep his weight back and hit the curve.

YoungTexanFan
06-07-2006, 07:06 AM
Sorry, I can't disagree more with this assessment. Apparently I am one of the few that believes that Morency has "it". He's young, rookie-like still, but considering the complete collapse of ALL players last season, this does not come as a surprise. He showed more heart than most players on this team last season, more speed than DD could ever dream for, so, if they fix the traction on his shoes (so all that energy is used in a forward motion) I expect great things from Morency.

Your entitled to your opinion. He's not that young, 26 when drafted (for reference, Mario is 21), yes he's still rookie like. He showed heart by waving a football in a defenders face on an 11 yard run? His speed is almost identical to DD, in fact, if you compare times, its very very close. DD is just bigger and more willing to hit the hole.

Texans Horror
06-07-2006, 08:50 AM
On the other hand, we may have gotten a good deal out of that one (IMO), but since that time, Dallas has gone from being one of the lesser-capable teams to a championship contender (I think TO will be a big determining factor in that one). Unfortunately, the Texans are still in the losing-season sinkhole. Hopefully, though, our biggest upgrade this year, coaching, should fix that.

WildBlackBear32
06-07-2006, 11:31 AM
Your entitled to your opinion. He's not that young, 26 when drafted (for reference, Mario is 21), yes he's still rookie like. He showed heart by waving a football in a defenders face on an 11 yard run? His speed is almost identical to DD, in fact, if you compare times, its very very close. DD is just bigger and more willing to hit the hole.

I'd say Morency is faster, but I STILL don't like the pick in the least bit. I don't understand the logic in drafting a ROOKIE who is OLDER than the current starter.
There were a number of players on the board who were younger and were in positions of need(Nicholson, Everett, Perkins...not to mention better RBs like Barber, Fason and Jacobs). The Morency pick and TJ pick solidified my hatred for that draft and thoughts that it was the worst draft in franchise history.

beerlover
06-07-2006, 02:19 PM
I'm willing to wash my hands of all the questionable Casserly/Capers picks & begin anew :mario:

TexanFan881
06-07-2006, 02:56 PM
alright so a person that could go pro in two different sports isnt one of helluva athlete then tell me what is?

Just because he could go play in two sports doesn't make him a great athlete. It just means he's more of a diverse athlete, that he can play more than just one sport. Just because he's decent in baseball and decent in football doesn't make him amazing.

Brandon420tx
06-07-2006, 02:57 PM
Just because he could go play in two sports doesn't make him a great athlete. It just means he's more of a diverse athlete, that he can play more than just one sport. Just because he's decent in baseball and decent in football doesn't make him amazing.
It makes him decent to the power of 2.

TexanFan881
06-07-2006, 03:09 PM
so playing professional baseball player for the new york yankees makes u decent and playing profesional in football for the dallas cowboys makes u decent hmmm

that makes you a good athlete but I don't see how playing baseball makes you a better football player...why does it matter that he played baseball he doesn't anymore, it's not like he's deion sanders or something...he can play two sports...all players that are in the NFL are good athletes.

YoungTexanFan
06-08-2006, 07:38 AM
alright so a person that could go pro in two different sports isnt one of helluva athlete then tell me what is?

no, athletes who stretch themselves too thin often end up failing at everything. He's faild one, and is on his way to his next.

A Texan
06-08-2006, 03:34 PM
I have no idea why some people are bashing Morency. He did a great job especially for a rookie and especially considering what a bad year the rest of the team was having.

noxiousdog
06-08-2006, 03:45 PM
4 ypc? sucks. :sarcasm:

MightyTExan
06-08-2006, 04:46 PM
From the main site.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2627&section=N%20Latest%20News

With only three running backs in action Wednesday, rookies Chris Taylor and Damien Rhodes saw plenty of action in the Texans' backfield along with veteran Antowain Smith. Rookie Wali Lundy was sidelined with a minor injury. Taylor and Rhodes have shown some explosion early on and Kubiak has been pleased with their progress over the past few weeks.


Why isn't Morency mentioned? Did we release him?

HomeBred_Texan
06-08-2006, 04:55 PM
I thought we used that pick from Dallas to pick up, Gulp, Tony Hollings in the sup draft? I am getting old and my memory is not as good as it use to be, so please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I need some boiled okra to refresh it...

infantrycak
06-08-2006, 05:01 PM
I thought we used that pick from Dallas to pick up, Gulp, Tony Hollings in the sup draft? I am getting old and my memory is not as good as it use to be, so please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I need some boiled okra to refresh it...

We used a pick we got from Oakland to get Hollings. Unfortunately they went from playing in the SB to 2nd pick in the draft in one year.

A Texan
06-09-2006, 12:04 PM
4 ypc? sucks. :sarcasm:

Not really. Dominick's average for 3 years is 4.1.