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MorKnolle
06-03-2006, 12:41 AM
Even though it is a little silly to be predicting this so early, I thought it would be interesting to see everyone's opinion on who will be making our final roster, so feel free to comment on mine or submit one of your own. Here's my best guess as of right now (players in parentheses denote practice squad):

Offense (26/30)
QB (2/3)
David Carr
Sage Rosenfels
(Quinton Porter)

RB (4)
Domanick Davis
Vernand Morency
Antowain Smith
Wali Lundy

FB (1/2)
Jameel Cook
(Quadtrine Hill)

WR (6/7)
Andre Johnson
Eric Moulds
Kevin Walter
Derick Armstrong
Jerome Mathis
Derrick Lewis
(David Anderson/Richie Ross/Donovan Morgan)

TE (4)
Mark Bruener
Jeb Putzier
Owen Daniels
Bennie Joppru

OL (9/10)
Eric Winston
Seth Wand
Charles Spencer
Zach Wiegert
Chester Pitts
Steve McKinney
Fred Weary
Mike Flanagan
Drew Hodgdon
(Kelvin Chaisson)

Defense (24/28)
DL (8/9)
Mario Williams
Antwan Peek
Jason Babin
N.D. Kalu
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Seth Payne
Travis Johnson
(Alfred Malone)

LB (7/8)
Shantee Orr
DeMeco Ryans
Morlon Greenwood
Sam Cowart
Wali Rainer
Kailee Wong
Terry Pierce
(Charlie Anderson)

CB (5/6)
Dunta Robinson
Demarcus Faggins
Philip Buchanon
Lewis Sanders
Chris McKenzie
(John Walker)

S (4/5)
Glenn Earl
C.C. Brown
Jason Simmons
Michael Stone
(Jammal Lord)

ST (3)
Kris Brown (K)
Filip Filipovic (P)
Bryan Pittman (LS)

53 Total Players (+8 practice squad)

phantom17
06-03-2006, 12:55 AM
Nice job!!! I can't wait till season start!:mario: :) It will be interesting to see if you come close to the real final cut from Kubes & Co.:redtowel:

hellojohnnyboi
06-03-2006, 01:07 AM
I would say that Charlie Anderson has a much better chance of making the squad than Terry Pierce does.

MorKnolle
06-03-2006, 01:13 AM
I would say that Charlie Anderson has a much better chance of making the squad than Terry Pierce does.

I think they are both right there together, a lot of it depends on which position they feel they need more of as Anderson is more of a SLB and Pierce is a MLB.

cj5776
06-03-2006, 01:49 AM
Don't get me wrong solid but....

First of all Kubes will have 3 qbs on the roster, even though he is quoted as saying it is an option, way too risky

Mathis and Wong proably will be on the PUP list but maybe not

When Stanely get replaced as our punter?

faling asleep will write more later

MorKnolle
06-03-2006, 10:06 AM
Don't get me wrong solid but....

First of all Kubes will have 3 qbs on the roster, even though he is quoted as saying it is an option, way too risky

Mathis and Wong proably will be on the PUP list but maybe not

When Stanely get replaced as our punter?

faling asleep will write more later

true, Wong and Mathis will start the season on the PUP so that opens up another two roster spots, which I'll guess will be filled by Alfred Malone and either Charlie Anderson or Quinton Porter.

mancunian
06-03-2006, 10:20 AM
My first thoughts:

There will be 3 QB's
Chad Stanley will be the Punter. I'd agree with the linemen on both sides of the ball - everyone seems to think Wades gone.

MorKnolle
06-03-2006, 10:26 AM
My first thoughts:

There will be 3 QB's
Chad Stanley will be the Punter. I'd agree with the linemen on both sides of the ball - everyone seems to think Wades gone.


Filipovic has a substantially stronger leg than Stanley and I wouldn't be surprised to see them swap punters, and I do think Wade will be cut because I really don't see him fitting the blocking scheme and he costs a ton of money to sit the bench. It will cost us $4.8 million against the cap next year but save us $3.5 million this year, and while we're not in desperate need to open cap room, that saves us from having to pay out his $3.5 million base salary this year, so it saves us from having to pay out that real cash plus his future base salaries.

As for the QBs, I'm not sure they bother to start the season with 3 QBs on the active roster since the 3rd guy will be a rookie and isn't going to play barring injuries, and I'm pretty sure Quinton Porter will be safe on our practice squad and no other team will claim him off of there.They might bump him up later in the year as injuries start taking their toll on our active roster, but to start the year I'm not sure I see the need of filling that roster spot. If I remember correctly the Broncos only had two QBs on their active roster to start last year, but I could be wrong on that.

mancunian
06-03-2006, 10:34 AM
Filipovic has a substantially stronger leg than Stanley and I wouldn't be surprised to see them swap punters, and I do think Wade will be cut because I really don't see him fitting the blocking scheme and he costs a ton of money to sit the bench. It will cost us $4.8 million against the cap next year but save us $3.5 million this year, and while we're not in desperate need to open cap room, that saves us from having to pay out his $3.5 million base salary this year, so it saves us from having to pay out that real cash plus his future base salaries.

As for the QBs, I'm not sure they bother to start the season with 3 QBs on the active roster since the 3rd guy will be a rookie and isn't going to play barring injuries, and I'm pretty sure Quinton Porter will be safe on our practice squad and no other team will claim him off of there.They might bump him up later in the year as injuries start taking their toll on our active roster, but to start the year I'm not sure I see the need of filling that roster spot. If I remember correctly the Broncos only had two QBs on their active roster to start last year, but I could be wrong on that.

Good point about swapping Punters, whats his accuracy like? We dont want him booming them all the way through the endzone and the opposition always getting a touchback. If he can them inside the 10 then great.

powerfuldragon
06-03-2006, 10:43 AM
Man. i'm gonna miiss chadley.

AFD1717
06-03-2006, 11:12 AM
I heard John McClain say that he doesn't think Mathis is a lock to make the team. Obviously he'll start out on the PUP list, but we may never see him in Texans' gear again. McClain's point was that Mathis was never dedicated to getting better as a football player and probably won't be very dedicated to his rehab. Being an all-pro rookie seems to have gone to his head.

Not my thoughts, just passing them along.

TexanFan881
06-03-2006, 11:57 AM
I think Anderson makes it over Lewis...otherwise very accurate. After a few guys get cut though some practice squad players on there will be promoted, but that's just pointing out the obvious. Good job :thumbup

whiskeyrbl
06-03-2006, 12:21 PM
Pretty good roster but where is Salaam?

DominickDavisFan76
06-03-2006, 12:27 PM
Richie Ross will beat out David Anderson and Donovan Morgan, besides that great job.

wait

I thought Todd Wade was on the team?

TexanFan881
06-03-2006, 12:27 PM
Pretty good roster but where is Salaam?

The only way he makes the team is if a miracle happens. He's like a Victor Riley except a little worse.

DD76, I'm guessing he's assuming that Wade gets cut.

MorKnolle
06-03-2006, 02:21 PM
The only way he makes the team is if a miracle happens. He's like a Victor Riley except a little worse.

DD76, I'm guessing he's assuming that Wade gets cut.

Correct, I really don't see him making the team as I don't think he fits our system at all and we just spent two 3rd round picks on OTs, one of which I think will definitely be starting by mid-season (Eric Winston). We don't really need to free up more cap room this year but we already paid Wade's bonus up front and cutting him saves us from paying his $3.5 million salary in real dollars. I think they are waiting until he is off the injured list, maybe even give him a chance during camp, but I don't see him being here when September rolls around. Maybe they could even trade him for a 6th or 7th round pick as he used to be considered a decent RT.

TexanFanInCC
06-03-2006, 03:24 PM
Even though it is a little silly to be predicting this so early, I thought it would be interesting to see everyone's opinion on who will be making our final roster, so feel free to comment on mine or submit one of your own. Here's my best guess as of right now (players in parentheses denote practice squad):

Offense (26/30)
QB (2/3)
David Carr
Sage Rosenfels
(Quinton Porter)

RB (4)
Domanick Davis
Vernand Morency
Antowain Smith
Wali Lundy

FB (1/2)
Jameel Cook
(Quadtrine Hill)

WR (6/7)
Andre Johnson
Eric Moulds
Kevin Walter
Derick Armstrong
Jerome Mathis
Derrick Lewis
(David Anderson/Richie Ross/Donovan Morgan)

TE (4)
Mark Bruener
Jeb Putzier
Owen Daniels
Bennie Joppru

OL (9/10)
Eric Winston
Seth Wand
Charles Spencer
Zach Wiegert
Chester Pitts
Steve McKinney
Fred Weary
Mike Flanagan
Drew Hodgdon
(Kelvin Chaisson)

Defense (24/28)
DL (8/9)
Mario Williams
Antwan Peek
Jason Babin
N.D. Kalu
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Seth Payne
Travis Johnson
(Alfred Malone)

LB (7/8)
Shantee Orr
DeMeco Ryans
Morlon Greenwood
Sam Cowart
Wali Rainer
Kailee Wong
Terry Pierce
(Charlie Anderson)

CB (5/6)
Dunta Robinson
Demarcus Faggins
Philip Buchanon
Lewis Sanders
Chris McKenzie
(John Walker)

S (4/5)
Glenn Earl
C.C. Brown
Jason Simmons
Michael Stone
(Jammal Lord)

ST (3)
Kris Brown (K)
Filip Filipovic (P)
Bryan Pittman (LS)

53 Total Players (+8 practice squad)


wheres ephram salaam, the LT? he was an effective lineman in a zone scheme, and didnt play well in JAX (no zoney there). i think he would be a good reserve or even a starter.

MorKnolle
06-03-2006, 03:32 PM
wheres ephram salaam, the LT? he was an effective lineman in a zone scheme, and didnt play well in JAX (no zoney there). i think he would be a good reserve or even a starter.

Not going to be a starter, has seen some time on the 2nd team thusfar in practices but moreso on the 3rd team and I expect they'd keep Spencer and especially Winston over him as OTs. Currently Wand and Wiegert are our starters and Winston and Spencer are our future starters, so I don't see them keeping Salaam and having 5 OTs on the roster.

cj5776
06-03-2006, 05:54 PM
Either Salaam, Wade, or Loverne makes the team as a veteran reserve Ol. I don't like 4 young and green OL on the bench. My guess is Salaam and Specner as reserve OT and then Winston, Holden, and Weary as reserve guards

Can Lord be on the Practic squad for a 3rd year? LB Anerson might not be eligable as well. If so I say Rhodes should be on ps. If a rb goes down plug him in, one more of your wrs also. With 4 undrafted DEs on the roster, one of those might also be ps material. The OL Chaison is borderline.

Hape is on the roster if only one FB, Bruener goes. Even though he is lght Beanie has the grit to be the blocking TE with Hape and then Putz and Daniels would be the recieving TEs.

I say 5 WRs and 6 LBs and not 6 and 7, sorry Peircs and Armstrong don't offer verstatilty. 3 QBs and 10 OLs instead of 2 and 9.

Of course things change if Wong or Mathis is on pup list.

MorKnolle
06-04-2006, 12:28 AM
Either Salaam, Wade, or Loverne makes the team as a veteran reserve Ol. I don't like 4 young and green OL on the bench. My guess is Salaam and Specner as reserve OT and then Winston, Holden, and Weary as reserve guards

Can Lord be on the Practic squad for a 3rd year? LB Anerson might not be eligable as well. If so I say Rhodes should be on ps. If a rb goes down plug him in, one more of your wrs also. With 4 undrafted DEs on the roster, one of those might also be ps material. The OL Chaison is borderline.

Hape is on the roster if only one FB, Bruener goes. Even though he is lght Beanie has the grit to be the blocking TE with Hape and then Putz and Daniels would be the recieving TEs.

I say 5 WRs and 6 LBs and not 6 and 7, sorry Peircs and Armstrong don't offer verstatilty. 3 QBs and 10 OLs instead of 2 and 9.

Of course things change if Wong or Mathis is on pup list.

I don't see Loverne making it, I don't see Wade fitting the system. Salaam fits the system ok but Wand and Wiegert are supposed to be our starters for now and Salaam won't replace either of them, and they drafted Eric Winston and Charles Spencer as their future OTs, so they're not going to keep Salaam over them. I see Wand, Wiegert, Winston, and Spencer as OTs (I expect Winston will be replacing one of them in the starting lineup pretty early in the year), then Pitts, McKinney, Weary, and Chaisson at OGs, and Flanagan and Hodgdon at C.

Players can be on practice squad thru their first three, maybe four years in the league, and I don't know if Lord will make the active roster early on.

I don't know if Hape will make it, right now he seems like a camp body.

I think they go 6 WRs, generally teams will go 6 since they want the possibility of running a 5 WR set on hail mary's and they want an extra guy available in case of injuries. As for LBs I'm not sure, but Denver always seemed to keep an excess of LBs and RBs around.

Insideop
06-04-2006, 05:13 AM
Offense

QB (2)
David Carr
Sage Rosenfels
PS- Q. Porter and/or M. Baker

RB (4)
Domanick Davis
Vernand Morency
Antowain Smith
Wali Lundy
PS- C. Taylor and/or D. Rhodes

FB (2)
Jameel Cook
Patrick Hape (will also be used as TE)
PS- Q Hill

WR (6)
Andre Johnson
Eric Moulds
Kevin Walter
Derrick Armstrong
The best 2 out of David Anderson, Derrick Lewis, Donovan Morgan, and Richie Ross with the other 2 going to the PS or getting cut.

TE (4)
Mark Bruener
Jeb Putzier
Owen Daniels
Bennie Joppru (Unless he breaks something again!):crutch:

OL (9)
Eric Winston
Seth Wand
Zach Weigert
Chester Pitts
Steve Mc Kinney
Fred Weary
Mike Flanagan
Drew Hodgdon
Ephraim Salaam or Todd Wade (At least 1 of them will be cut imo!)
PS- C. Spencer (Not sure he is ready yet. Maybe later this year or next!)

Defense

DL (8)
Mario Williams
Antwan Peek
Jason Babin
N.D. Kalu
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Seth Payne
Travis Johnson
PS- A. Malone

LB (6)
Shantee Orr
DeMeco Ryans
Morlon Greenwood
Sam Cowart
DaShon Polk
Charlie Anderson
PS- K. Pettway

CB (5)
Dunta Robinson
Demarcus Faggins
Philip Buchanon
Chris McKenzie
Lewis Sanders
PS- J. Walker

S (4)
Glenn Earl
C.C. Brown
Jason Simmons
Michael Stone
PS- J. Lord and/or Ramon Walker

ST (3)
Kris Brown
Chad Stanley
Bryan Pittman (DS)

PUP (2)
Kailee Wong
Jerome Mathis

This is how I think it could end up at the start of the season, but it is pure speculation! That's my :twocents: worth!

mancunian
06-04-2006, 05:37 AM
PS- C. Spencer (Not sure he is ready yet. Maybe later this year or next!)



Spencer will make the roster. If he goes to the practice squad then another team will be able to claim him - and we haven't used a 3rd round pick on him for to disappear somewhere else without any compensation.

Runner
06-04-2006, 08:47 AM
... (I expect Winston will be replacing one of them in the starting lineup pretty early in the year,...

You've said this a couple of times now - why do you think this? I can see this as a possibility if Weigert goes down with an injury again this year. Other than that, if Wand and Weigert start at the beginning of the year they will stay there, unless they do very badly. Kubiak has stated he isn't going to play musical lineman during the season. In addition, Winston is like most 3rd round o-lineman - he has some things he really needs to learn before he'll be consistently effective against NFL competition. I'm not sure he's ahead of Spencer as far as being NFL ready.

infantrycak
06-04-2006, 10:30 AM
Players can be on practice squad thru their first three, maybe four years in the league, and I don't know if Lord will make the active roster early on.

Here are the eligibility rules for the practice squad:

(a) The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than one previous season on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). No player may be a practice squad player for more than two seasons.

(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and has been a member of a club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or post-season games (a bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or post-season weekend in question).

mancunian
06-04-2006, 10:35 AM
infantrycak - do you know what the rules are on teams claiming players off another teams PS?

infantrycak
06-04-2006, 10:46 AM
infantrycak - do you know what the rules are on teams claiming players off another teams PS?

Teams can sign players off any other team's practice squad without giving any compensation but the player signed must be placed on the new team's active roster.

mancunian
06-04-2006, 11:04 AM
Teams can sign players off any other team's practice squad without giving any compensation but the player signed must be placed on the new team's active roster.

thanks - thought that was the case. I suppose that can be a bugger if you like a player but dont think he's ready for the 53 man roster and would like to devlop him.

Revolution
06-04-2006, 11:13 AM
Teams can sign players off any other team's practice squad without giving any compensation but the player signed must be placed on the new team's active roster.

Doesn't the team who has the player on the practice squad have an opportunity to keep the player by placing them on the active roster?

infantrycak
06-04-2006, 11:21 AM
Doesn't the team who has the player on the practice squad have an opportunity to keep the player by placing them on the active roster?

There is no right of first refusal technically, but as a practical matter I suspect teams will often get wind of contact being made and could preemptively activate the player to their own active roster. Here is the relevant section of the CBA:

Section 2. Signing With Other Clubs: Any player under contract to a Club as a practice squad player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a practice squad player while under contract as a practice squad player.

MorKnolle
06-04-2006, 09:41 PM
I'll add the few comments I have in bold, but for the most part I agree.

Offense

QB (2)
David Carr
Sage Rosenfels
PS- Q. Porter and/or M. Baker Porter will easily make it over Baker, don't see both staying on PS

RB (4)
Domanick Davis
Vernand Morency
Antowain Smith
Wali Lundy
PS- C. Taylor and/or D. Rhodes Rhodes would likely beat out Taylor, don't see both remaining on PS

FB (2)
Jameel Cook
Patrick Hape (will also be used as TE)
PS- Q Hill I can definitely see Hill staying, maybe would be as a HB rather than a FB

WR (6)
Andre Johnson
Eric Moulds
Kevin Walter
Derrick Armstrong
The best 2 out of David Anderson, Derrick Lewis, Donovan Morgan, and Richie Ross with the other 2 going to the PS or getting cut. My current guess between these four would be Lewis and Anderson/Morgan

TE (4)
Mark Bruener
Jeb Putzier
Owen Daniels
Bennie Joppru (Unless he breaks something again!):crutch:

OL (9)
Eric Winston
Seth Wand
Zach Weigert
Chester Pitts
Steve Mc Kinney
Fred Weary
Mike Flanagan
Drew Hodgdon
Ephraim Salaam or Todd Wade (At least 1 of them will be cut imo!) I really don't see Wade staying and I have my doubts on Salaam, they definitely keep Winston and Spencer over either of these
PS- C. Spencer (Not sure he is ready yet. Maybe later this year or next!) They won't leave him on PS, someone would quickly claim him off there and we would lose him

Defense

DL (8) Agree with all of these, Malone may make active roster
Mario Williams
Antwan Peek
Jason Babin
N.D. Kalu
Anthony Weaver
Robaire Smith
Seth Payne
Travis Johnson
PS- A. Malone

LB (6)
Shantee Orr
DeMeco Ryans
Morlon Greenwood
Sam Cowart
DaShon Polk I seriouslly doubt Polk makes it, espsecially over Rainer and even Pierce
Charlie Anderson
PS- K. Pettway

CB (5) Fine with this group, not sure on PS between Walker and Tramon Williams
Dunta Robinson
Demarcus Faggins
Philip Buchanon
Chris McKenzie
Lewis Sanders
PS- J. Walker

S (4)
Glenn Earl
C.C. Brown
Jason Simmons
Michael Stone
PS- J. Lord and/or Ramon Walker Likely be Lord over Walker

ST (3)
Kris Brown
Chad Stanley Still not sure they keep him over Filipovic since Fil has a much stronger leg
Bryan Pittman (DS)

PUP (2) Hopefully this will be the only two guys that will be on this list and no one else will get hurt between now and then
Kailee Wong
Jerome Mathis

This is how I think it could end up at the start of the season, but it is pure speculation! That's my :twocents: worth!

MorKnolle
06-04-2006, 09:46 PM
You've said this a couple of times now - why do you think this? I can see this as a possibility if Weigert goes down with an injury again this year. Other than that, if Wand and Weigert start at the beginning of the year they will stay there, unless they do very badly. Kubiak has stated he isn't going to play musical lineman during the season. In addition, Winston is like most 3rd round o-lineman - he has some things he really needs to learn before he'll be consistently effective against NFL competition. I'm not sure he's ahead of Spencer as far as being NFL ready.

Everything I've heard of him sounds like he has looked very nice, and the one practice I was fortunate to get into so far this year he looked as good as Wand already, and Wand really does not look like he's ready to anchor down our LT spot for the year from what I saw of him.

Infantry - thanks for clearing up the practice squad rules for us, I hadn't seen a hard copy of them before but that helps.

Runner
06-04-2006, 10:07 PM
Everything I've heard of him sounds like he has looked very nice, and the one practice I was fortunate to get into so far this year he looked as good as Wand already, and Wand really does not look like he's ready to anchor down our LT spot for the year from what I saw of him.


So Winston has been playing LT?

WildBlackBear32
06-04-2006, 10:35 PM
All I have to say is the QB depth scares me. Banks may not have been great, but I am definetly more comfortable with him and Ragone over Rosenfels.

MorKnolle
06-05-2006, 06:49 PM
So Winston has been playing LT?

No, he has only been a RT thusfar, they have had Spencer at LT but Winston has at least gotten a decent amount of reps with the first team.