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Ibar_Harry
09-03-2004, 03:20 PM
To read the Chronicle you would think the Texans are the pitts. However, if you step back and think about it, I think we will have a very good season for the following reasons:

1) Wand has successfully transitioned to the LT spot and looks reasonably good.

2) DD is now healthy and I think its evident that he is no fluke.

3) Hollings is going to make a great change of pace guy.

4) AJ is quietly doing his thing, but his yards after the reception are more than impressive.

5) Armstrong is the X factor as no one knows about him. Look for some very impressive critical catches. He will become the clutch go to guy.

6) The O-line has successfully negoitiated the transition to the new blocking scheme which will better utilize DD's many talents. This will create a lot of pressure on a number of teams and will open up the passing game.

7) We have a very good kicking game and our return game with JJ will be excellent. In many games we gain field position through the use of the kicking game. In our 1st season we gained on a lot of teams by kicking and holding the other team. We picked up yardage when their kicker underperformed ours.

8) A possible surprise receiver could be Starling if he makes the squad.

9) The biggest question mark is the defense. However, it looks like the key cogs are now reasonably healthy, and if we can return to our 1st year form, will be a force to reckon with.

10) The coaching staff changes are going to become evident as the season progresses and I'm very happy with what I see.

11) Last, but not least, I think Carr is looking very composed and is ready for a great year. He has people he can confidently throw to. I look for an outstanding year from him. I think he will have a lot more touch this year and will have more time to see the field and will react better with the additional time.


Conclusion: I see no reason whey we can't make the playoffs at this point in time. From there anything can happen.

Ibar_Harry
09-03-2004, 03:32 PM
Yes, I'm also saying JJ has made the club. In Dom's scheme of things, its just as important to catch the ball and gain the new ground you have and not give up any. JJ doesn't drop the ball. That is a big plus to Capers.

gwallaia
09-03-2004, 03:43 PM
Good points IBAR. Until I see Wand and Pitts working the left side of the offensive line successfully, I think this could be a weak link for us.

WWJD
09-03-2004, 04:04 PM
Definitely improved but I think not good enough for the playoffs in a very tough division. And that's fine. It was a 5 year plan for the playoffs if I remember right.

Carr should be terrific but they are just like most clubs...a definite dropoff at the #2 guy. I'm just not a Banks fan.

Hollings fumbles too much. I think that's a dropoff when DD leaves the game.

I don't care for Wong at all. Average at best.

If they expose Robinson too much it could cost them. He's good but he can be worked over.

And I HATE that contact rule!

Nawzer
09-03-2004, 04:13 PM
I think we forget the fact that Tampa Bay is one of the best defenses in league. They are one of the top 4 or 5 teams defensively today. We didn't play our best game yesterday but I think we showed flashes of good things to come. It's almost unreal to judge the starters based on a few plays and I think Richard Justice of the Chronicle was a bit too harsh. Yes we have holes and we still don't quality depth like the good teams do, but we're still only in our 3rd year of existence. Overall, I'm looking forward to an exciting season and let's not ruin it because the media gives us no respect. We know what our team can do and that's more than enough for me. :twocents: :headbang:

Meloy
09-03-2004, 04:28 PM
I am nervous about a defense that could not stop the run. I still like what I see. Armstrong should be starting over Gafney and eventually may replace Bradford. He and Starling make me go WOW. Everybody have a great but safe holiday weekend.

Hervoyel
09-03-2004, 04:57 PM
I still say we're looking at anywhere from a 7-9 season to a 10-6 depending on how those handful of breaks go this year.

In the preseason I saw a lot of good things and some bad ones. I'm not putting too much stock in either one.

The best thing I saw in the preseason was during the Bucs game in the 4th quarter when the clock reached "0:00". This preseason seemed long to me. I'm ready for some football that matters now.

The worst thing I saw this preseason was Tony Banks play at QB. Holy Friggin Bejeebus that was terrible. If I had to base his roster spot on nothing but what I saw in those four preseason games I'd be trying to find me another "Veteran backup" ASAP because the one we have don't work.

I know he can do better than that but I don't think a single player looked worse this year in preseason than Banks.

WWJD
09-03-2004, 05:02 PM
I don't care for Banks either. He's a fumble waiting to happen.

TexanBacker93
09-04-2004, 12:26 PM
I think both first teams showed some very good signs. The first team offense showed some tremendous possibilities. I think they will be a surprise to a lot of defenses this year.

Our second and third teams will struggle as we still try to find depth. I think our first teams can hold their own against most teams in the NFL as we saw in all the preseason games. Even the Steelers game showed some glimpses and it was just a flat performance beyond that. While other teams are just tweaking their rosters with a few rookies and new players the Texans are still trying to put together their reserves. With more roster spots possibly open I think they don't have as much continuity.


I think the Texans have 7-9 wins in them. A couple of bounces the right way and they finish 9-7, a couple the other way and 7-9. Anything in that area will be a successful season to me. I don't expect playoffs, but it isn't impossible. They have a tough division and the teams will beat up on each other.

jhawktx
09-04-2004, 01:16 PM
To get anything more than 7 wins everything will have to fall into place...no major injuries, rookies play great, etc.

TheTim5125
09-04-2004, 01:49 PM
I'll tell you where we're heading... straight to the top

Scooter
09-04-2004, 03:12 PM
i wont be worried one bit as to where we're headed provided we've got three things ...

payne, walker, smith.

we've never seen all 3 on the field at the same time. payne, walker, & deloach did good with posey being our top rusher, but i dont that'll even be close with babin rushing & wong back to the right side. i believe that when we get all three lined up, it's going to put unholy fear into qb's & rb's real fast.

WWJD
09-04-2004, 03:51 PM
Walker seems to be injury prone. I am not sure he can play 16 games. Age I guess. Wear and tear.

TexanAggie
09-04-2004, 04:19 PM
I dont know why anyone would listen what the Chronicle has to say, Those guys are always putting the Texans down, How in the world can a newspaper put down the home team, what a joke. I guess they can do that when there is only one houston paper............................ ML


I think hollings will do fine. the D will be able to stop the run, but sometimes they showed against tampa that they couldnt stop them on 3rd down, but it is all pre-season and I will see after a few real games, when everyones heads should be screwed on tight and ready to play...

Every pre-season game the started O showed that this year will be a electric yr for them and will be fun to watch. Carr is going to have several wr's/Te's that he will be able to look for. It will be nice to see the O not be soo 1dimension and able to move the ball on the ground and through the air. Also, not rely on one reciever to get the job done.......


IT wont be a playoff yr but, I do believe it will be a team that will upset some great teams..............

Ibar_Harry
09-04-2004, 07:02 PM
ESPN Summary of Texans update last on 09/02/2004 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview04/news/story?page=hou/texans) I thought you might like to read this as it relates to the coaching change and how the Texans feel about the new blocking scheme. I have a feeling its much more impressive than most realize. Davis will be a big player in the new scheme. I thought they very much under rated our kicking & defensive game. We will see when the season starts. We are not showing a lot in preseason and that's why I said what I did. When you look at the various pieces they look awfully good. However, we never showed more than one or two of the pieces together at any one time in the preseason. Babin and Robinson will be much more affective with Payne and Walker in the game. They will make the rookies look very impressive.

RunninRaven
09-04-2004, 08:46 PM
My only real concerns for this team come from the passing game, on both sides of the ball. I don't worry about Carr or the receivers, but there hasn't been a real consistent pocket for David to operate out of. I want to see fewer mistakes on pass blocking.

On the other side of the ball, we seem highly susceptible to big pass plays. We also have difficulty on the 3rd and short pass plays as well. When it is 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 3, I just pray they try to run the ball because our defense is stellar on short yardage run defense...quite the opposite. A big part of this stems from pressure on the QB, which will go up if our line stays healthy. But even so, Robinson could easily get picked on and I don't have a lot of confidence in our safeties, for some reason. I just hope things come together once the season starts.

El Tejano
09-05-2004, 01:09 AM
I think the games we win will no longer be called upsets. That is where I think we are headed at this time. Playoffs are possible but I think this year we will beat teams and when we do, we will beat them something good.

Dubya
09-05-2004, 10:40 AM
To read the Chronicle you would think the Texans are the pitts.

The Chronicle can go to... Yankee Land. Those jerks picked the Jags to have a better record than the Texans! And man, they couldn't stop kissing Byron Leftwich's butt. What a bunch of losers. Morons. I won't read the Chronicle again until every last man of them is gone. (I know, I know, I'll be waiting a good while). :thumbdown

Demon
09-05-2004, 04:43 PM
I LOVE the Texans. We simply need to win to prove that we belong. Until this occurs, we can't impress. I hope for 8-8 or 9-7. This would turn some heads. :popcorn:

HJam72
09-08-2004, 01:26 PM
9-7 would turn a whole lot of heads this year. lol:

Doug
09-08-2004, 01:37 PM
If we end up with a better record than the Jags we'll make alot of people look stupid.

TheOgre
09-08-2004, 02:16 PM
I like writers that are honest not "homers". If they don't like our team that is fine. I would much rather someone tell me I have broccoli stuck between my teeth then to stare at it and act like nothing is wrong.

texansrock
09-08-2004, 06:47 PM
i have a feeling that we all have something to look forward to this season........ :boxing:

thunderkyss
05-08-2006, 02:42 PM
ESPN Summary of Texans update last on 09/02/2004 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview04/news/story?page=hou/texans) Babin and Robinson will be much more affective with Payne and Walker in the game. They will make the rookies look very impressive.
Ahh..... the memories...... I just re-read this article....

Texans have talent on offense
By Jim Carley
Pro Football Weekly

Editor's note: These previews were last updated Sept. 2 and don't reflect any moves made by the team after that.

The biggest excitement in the offseason was the selection of two promising defensive standouts -- CB Dunta Robinson of South Carolina and OLB Jason Babin of Western Michigan -- in the first round of the draft, picks made with the intention of shoring up an ailing defense. Both were anointed as starters on draft day.

The biggest free-agent signings were ORT Todd Wade, TE Mark Bruener and DL Robaire Smith. All three should make big impacts in their areas. But perhaps the most significant, if quiet, change on the team came when Joe Pendry was brought in as OL coach.

Head coach Dom Capers' former offensive coordinator at Carolina, Pendry has switched the line to a zone-blocking scheme, and the Texans privately are having difficulty containing their enthusiasm over the prospects of this revamped and redirected unit.

Quarterbacks: David Carr's road to improvement last season hit some bumps when he missed five starts with injuries. Still, his completion percentage was up slightly from 52.5 as a rookie to 56.6 last year; his QB rating improved marginally (62.8-69.5). The Texans, however, have seen marked progress in preseason and believe he will make big strides this year. Carr is becoming a better leader and starting to spread the ball around amongst receivers. While he was hurt, Tony Banks showed how strong the Texans' backup spot is by leading the team to wins over Atlanta and NFC champion Carolina and pushing Super Bowl champion New England to overtime before losing. Banks had career bests for QB rating (84.3) and completion percentage (59.8) before breaking his hand in the 12th game. The third quarterback, Dave Ragone, started two games after that and struggled. He has not looked any better in training camp this season. Grade: B-plus.

Running backs: Health is the biggest concern at this position. NFL Rookie of the Year Domanick Davis, who was so surprising in rushing for 1,031 yards while starting the last 10 games, is the clear-cut starter. But Davis, a fourth-round draft pick who was No. 4 on the depth chart entering last season, has missed much of training camp with a sprained ankle. His backup, Tony Hollings, looked good before bruising his ribs in the second preseason game. Hollings also has a fumbling problem, which has coaches very concerned. Jonathan Wells has had his best training camp but also has been slowed by a sore knee. Davis returned the last week of training camp, and if he's healthy, the running game is in good shape. FBs Moran Norris and Jarrod Baxter are punishing blockers who accept their roles of rarely touching the ball. Grade: B-plus.

Receivers: The Texans believe WR Andre Johnson is poised to become one of the league's elite receivers. He led all AFC rookies in catches (66) and yards (976) and was a finalist for Offensive Rookie of the Year. On the other side, Corey Bradford has big-play ability - his 19.2 yards-per-catch average was tops in the AFC among players with 20 or more receptions. Entering training camp, backup Jabar Gaffney complained that Carr didn't spread the passes around better, but he seemed happier after seeing more passes in camp. Derick Armstrong had a solid training camp and will see increased playing time, but the depth is questionable. Billy Miller has been the tight end when the Texans were in passing situations and Jabari Holloway the run blocker. But free-agent addition Bruener might consolidate the position. The 10-year veteran has seemed to have new life and had an impressive training camp. Whoever plays, the TE position is in very good shape. Grade: B-minus.

Offensive linemen: This might be the area of the team that improves most. It made leaps and bounds from Year One to Year Two, when it cut down from an NFL-record 76 sacks allowed to only 36 last year. This season, with Pendry coaching them to zone-block and two significant personnel changes, the line could be greatly improved. The best personnel move was bringing in Wade from Miami and installing him at right tackle. Then last spring the Texans moved Seth Wand, the third-round draft pick in 2003 from tiny Northwest Missouri State, into the starting OLT spot, and he has been better than they could have hoped. That allowed the team to move two-year starter Chester Pitts, who was probably always out of position, to the OLG spot. With veterans Steve McKinney at center and Zach Wiegert at right guard, the team has its best front five ever and some respectable depth in Milford Brown, Todd Washington and Fred Weary. The Texans are quietly hoping for great things from this line. Grade: B.

Defensive linemen: Health is the biggest concern here. Pro Bowl DE Gary Walker missed all but four games last season because of toe and shoulder injuries, and veteran NT Seth Payne missed 14 games after having knee surgery. Both are back and insist they are healthy, although Walker had a groin injury late in camp and Payne, who had two follow-up "procedures" on his knee during the offseason, has been brought along very slowly, as the team only hopes to have him completely ready for the opener. But Smith came in from Tennessee and has looked solid in his move to end. Jerry DeLoach, who has started all 32 of the Texans' games and had more than 100 total tackles in each of the team's two seasons, has been forced to the second team. Thus, the Texans feel good about their depth here, including DE Junior Ioane and Corey Sears, both of whom played extensively last season. Grade: C-plus.

Linebackers: The Texans feel ILB Jamie Sharper was the most underrated defender in the league last year after he led the NFL in tackles and had no post-season honors to show for it. He's back to bolster the inside along with Jay Foreman, who had 180 tackles. But the OLB duo could see the biggest improvement on the defense as veteran Kailee Wong has moved from the LOLB spot to right outside linebacker, and Babin has taken over on the left. Babin is quick and intense, and while he still has a lot to learn, the Texans believe he is future Pro Bowl material. Capers says Babin reminds him of former Pro Bowler Kevin Greene, whom Capers coached in Pittsburgh. And Antwan Peek, who missed five games with injury as a rookie, has looked good enough on the other side that Wong has been seeing some time at the inside spot opposite Sharper. Grade: B.

Defensive backs: One of the league's best cornerbacks, Aaron Glenn, made his third Pro Bowl in Houston's first season in 2002, but a nagging groin injury limited him to only 11 games last year. He's healthy and has looked superb in training camp. Marcus Coleman had been picked on, playing the other corner much of the last two seasons. But the Texans took Robinson with their first pick in April and immediately pronounced Robinson the starter opposite Glenn. They moved Coleman, who had a career-high seven interceptions last year, to free safety, where his size (6-2, 206) and athleticism might be more suited. That could solve two problems for the Texans, who have always had concerns at free safety, as Coleman has taken to the position well. Robinson is still learning and will make many mistakes, but his great catch-up speed will probably keep him in the starting lineup while he completes the education. SS Eric Brown still is one of the league's most feared hitters. Backup CBs Kenny Wright, Jason Bells and Demarcus Faggins, who has come a long way from last season, and S Marlon McCree provide quality depth. Grade: C-plus.

Special teams: PK Kris Brown and P Chad Stanley are top-quality kickers. Both are solid and steady. Brown hit 18-of-22 (.818) of his field goals and all 27 PATs. Stanley averaged 41.5 yards a punt and downed 36 inside the 20, best in the league. But the return game is still not where the Texans would like it, and they were still unsettled at those positions as they left training camp. Incumbent J.J. Moses and rookie Vontez Duff had not been spectacular, and the Texans were still looking for a big-play maker. Grade: C.

Pro Football Weekly

Kudos to all the guys who predicted 7-9.........

Ibar_Harry
05-08-2006, 03:53 PM
Yes, this was a prediction in 2004 after the serious injuries in 2003 which was the 2nd year. In 2005 I predicted a dismal year and indeed it was. I have often stated that we never recovered defensively from the injuries in 2003 and that was the case. It appears, however, that the injuries were the result of perhaps over working the players during the mini-camps, tranining camps and the season. Injuries reappeared at the beginning of the 2004 season.

Thanks for pointing out to others that I'm not always the pessimist they think I am. This year I'm looking forward to a great year and I stand by it. We not only have players but a new outstanding coaching staff and a young HC in the mold of Walsh.

thunderkyss
05-08-2006, 04:10 PM
Thanks for pointing out to others that I'm not always the pessimist they think I am. This year I'm looking forward to a great year and I stand by it. We not only have players but a new outstanding coaching staff and a young HC in the mold of Walsh.

So what are we talking about in '06??

12-4??

13-3??

TheOgre
05-08-2006, 04:14 PM
So what are we talking about in '06??

12-4??

13-3??

6-10 or 7-9

Bobo
05-08-2006, 04:30 PM
>To read the Chronicle you would think the Texans are the pitts.

You wish, since Pitts. won the SB last season.

Ibar_Harry
05-08-2006, 04:38 PM
So what are we talking about in '06??

12-4??

13-3??

I think if you look at another thread where everyone is placing their predictions you will see I said 13-3. This is a thread from 2004 which you attached a response to. The times were different, the players were different, and boy was the coaching different.